Re: Dave Zirin: You Can’t Separate Sports and Politics | Alex N. Press | Jacobin
Heath Eddy
In the early 1890s there was an attempt at a player-owned baseball league to compete with the then-National League. It fell apart due to ticket price cuts by the NL followed by an economic depression that wiped out the fan base. At the time it was thought that the public couldn't support two professional leagues. It was more about the NL undercutting the Players League. Of note, one of the organizers of the Players League was one John Montgomery Ward, who in addition to a fairly productive professional baseball career was also a Columbia University Law School graduate.
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The dedicated life and music of Mikis Theodorakis | Ben Lunn | Culture Matters
Kevin Lindemann and Cathy Campo
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Re: Dave Zirin: You Can’t Separate Sports and Politics | Alex N. Press | Jacobin
wytheholt@...
Many bigtime athletes are rockribbed rightwingers.
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On September 15, 2021 at 8:57 AM Roger Kulp <leucovorinsaves@...> wrote:
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US Media Support Tech Regulation—Unless It Comes From China | Julianne Tveten | FAIR
Kevin Lindemann and Cathy Campo
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9/11 and the ineffable innocence of US empire
Dennis Brasky
The media cannot look at the causes of the 9/11 attacks even 20 years later. But Al Qaeda perpetrated the bombings because the U.S. was an occupying military force in Saudi Arabia. A 1998 declaration of war by Osama bin Laden cites two other issues: the "devastation" of Iraq by U.S. sanctions including the alleged deaths of 1 million Iraqis, and the effort by the U.S. to "fragment" Arab nations and leave them as "paper statelets" so as to insure the survival of Israel.
https://mondoweiss.net/2021/09/9-11-and-the-ineffable-innocence-of-us-empire/
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'NY Times' fearmongers about the Iran nuclear deal, while ignoring Israel's efforts to sabotage it
Dennis Brasky
One U.S. publication just covered the stalled Iran nuclear deal talks honestly. Another ran a distorted, fearmongering article. Guess which one was the New York Times?
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Re: Dave Zirin: You Can’t Separate Sports and Politics | Alex N. Press | Jacobin
Jeffrey Masko <j.alan.masko@...>
I saw RB play in Forbes Field and saw him throw a runner at first at Three Rivers, and yes, still have a shirt with his number. I served mass as an altar boy the New Year's day we learned of his death, I think every sermon in Pgh was about him that day so the patron saint isn't far off. A good priest knows his audience. The thing is most folks don't remember 1) how his political side rankled the establishment and some fans. The sportswriters were always quick to label him lazy after his back pain became unbearable and he'd refer to it to explain his performances. Talking about injuries is still considered "weak" in today's locker rooms. Like always, when a black player is doing well, he is celebrated, if not, out comes the n word. The idea that yes, athletes are workers was often lost on guys working steel mills, and this stance widened in the 70s with the team that field no white players. It is no coincidence that when Mario Lemieux arrived about the same time, the gate for Pirate games fell and the Pens' soared. I make no excuses for the class contradictions displayed by sections of the working-class in this case or others, such as the admiration for
owners of the Steelers, the Rooney's, and their hardline stance in negotiating. I do see this in many ways as ground that the left lets rightwing narratives such as greedy players as opposed to greedy owners play out without combatting.
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H-Net Review [H-Africa]: Cserkits on Comolli, 'Boko Haram: Nigeria's Islamist Insurgency'
Andrew Stewart
Best regards, Andrew Stewart Begin forwarded message:
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Re: Dave Zirin: You Can’t Separate Sports and Politics | Alex N. Press | Jacobin
Jeffrey Masko <j.alan.masko@...>
Dear John, Thanks for the response, frankly I thought there would be no reply, so I didn’t elaborate. With a generalization, there is bound to be areas where it doesn’t apply, but I stand by my statement with some explanation. Sorry I’m not quick with replies and hate to write more than 200 or 300 words in threads as I normally don’t have the time to read them, so I won’t post them in respect for the time of others. First of all, there is a wide range of what people think of when they say the “left”. I thought to use socialists or the radical or hard left, but frankly thought it was too obvious that those segments most often look at sports culture as an opium of the masses. Of course, the opium of the masses is now and has been opium (oxycodone and so on) for a while now. At this point, the Dems are so centralist, I couldn’t call them left in the same sense we used the term in the 70’s when left wasn’t necessarily derogatory in the common parlance. So, I’m not using the term to mean liberals or Dems in general, but those outside electoral politics, so basically the activist left. So, the “hard left” would have been accurate, so I will stick to them but think the argument could be made that the left by any standards do not understand or does not wish to understand worker culture. This is mostly anecdotal but coming from the working-class boroughs of the West End of Pittsburgh in the 70s gives me a certain insight to both working-class cultures, Pittsburgh's sports culture, and how ideology is created through culture. I’ve studied enough sports sociology at university to givea bit of insight there as well. I've also played on many teams and my wife played soccer at university, so we know more than the spectator side as well. Mostly it’s from my experience with various groups over the years that separate politics as something worthwhile to work on, while sports are thought of as mindless entertainment. For instance, members of working groups in Occupy camps being vilified for taking time away to watch sports, or a radical group having ex Black Panthers talk (I’m sorry, I can’t remember the group or the women who were due to speak) on the same night as a Golden State Warrior playoff game; it is actions like these that display a profound ignorance of working-class people and the notion of meeting people where they are. The fact that Zirin is the only writer, or sports personality, who foregrounds his leftist inclinations should be noted first. Yes, I guess you could use the Frankfurt School top-down model and say the sports business establishment doesn’t promote that sort of journalism and so on, but it happens elsewhere. For instance, take the promotional material associated with St Pauli FC, the corporate ethos embraces its anarcho-punk identity. The closest you come in the states that I know of is the second division football club, The Oakland Roots. Hell, the establishment of the English football pyramid are still taking a knee for racism in distinction to owners in the U.S. I mean the super league breakaway was engineered by Yanks wanting to take their version of sports to Europe! So secondly the fact that U.S. sports is so widely acknowledged to be working within the military establishment; the anthem sung by military personnel, the flyovers of military jets, already sets the stage for interpreting sports events in this context, yet the push back by athletes in racial justice actions is viewed as “too political” by fans should tell us something (loads of academic sources for this, google scholar or I can provide some from my PhD work). Look at how Celtic FC is known for raising banners supporting Palestinian liberation with the risk of being penalized by UEFA and/or FIFA and tell me you can imagine something like that over here? I didn’t not mean "understand workers" in some Marxist sense but understand working class culture in the Gramscian sense. You write, “Many of the most famous contributors to Marxist views, have been sports fans. I am aware of some sports players who were Marxists.” I meant Yanks, and more so, since the 70s in particular when the cultural shift to the right/conservatives arguably accelerated? So who did you mean? Here you state, “It is recognized that currently most U. S. laborers spend time discussing about sports teams and players and statistics, cultural celebrities lives and about knowing corporate fashion brands and their logos, rather than interest in reading history and economics.” It is recognized…by who? Most? Is this backed up by numbers or is it your anecdotal evidence? You add this: “Because they do not themselves value their own power separate, from seeking instead to identify with some sports team and musician AS an important completion of their identity and interests and of "worth" in knowing the statistics of a team/player and the cultural figures lives and the popular arts they contribute to.” Not sure I get all of this and not sure packing in music is helpful here, but overall, it smacks of looking down at the working-class folks as foolish and uneducated, like they can’t keep up on their teams AND read economics and history. Why "economics and history" is elevated above other subjects is unknown but reveals your bias more than anything. And even if you’ve grown up and lived your adult life in working-class positions in relation to production and within wc cultures, this comes off as knowing the intimate details or working-class lives and motivation without any scholarly evidence. Hell, you could prolly site Cobb and Sennets’ Hidden Injuries of Class to start with, so I’m not sure where you get these assumptions about the “working-class”. “Many U. S. labor unions have held sports events and there were socialist organizations, which had sports teams, choral groups, etc. I have been advocating for DSA large branches, to establish both sports teams, music bands and choruses, to use for also outreach and organizing in working class neighborhoods.” Examples? I’d love to look into them for some work I’m researching and while I applaud your efforts, I wonder how they have been received? But I fear they will go undone or done to “win the working-class masses over” which is doomed to fail if middle-class activists and middle-class org like the DSA try to lead working-class folks. The working class will not follow leadership that does not arise organically from our own communities.
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Re: Dave Zirin: You Can’t Separate Sports and Politics | Alex N. Press | Jacobin
John A Imani
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Re: Dave Zirin: You Can’t Separate Sports and Politics | Alex N. Press | Jacobin
I would argue the DSA is the wrong place to establish sports teams, and music groups, because at its core, the DSA is not a Marxist, or revolutionary, organization.
Player/activists like Colin Kaepernick will never succeed in the NFL, NBA, or MLB, because of the structure of team ownership in the US. They are basically well paid indentured servants, or slaves, to the franchise owners, who call all the shots. For all their fame and fortune, the players have no more rights than a minimum wage fry cook at Mc Donalds. Perhaps someone who knows this history better than I do could tell me why has there never been a real movement for players to form unions, or to turn teams into player owned cooperatves. And no, I don't believe groups like the NFLPA are real unions, in the same sense that actual labor unions are, but that's a different discussion.
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Never Forget Victims of the Drone Program
Charles Keener
No one from the Obama administration has faced any consequences for the terror of the drone program. Nor have any members of the Trump administration faced consequences for waiving rules of engagement for airstrikes in Afghanistan, resulting in a spike in civilian casualties.
Daniel Hale, however, was sentenced to four years in prison for having the courage to provide the public with information about the drone program and its disregard for civilians. If voices like his were not silenced behind bars, maybe there would be more public outrage, or at least public acknowledgement of the civilian toll of US bombs and drones.
The war on Afghanistan is not over until the drone program has been shut down, the Afghan people have been paid reparations with money taken directly out of the Pentagon’s budget, and prison cells have swapped out whistleblowers for war criminals. Along with this full ending of the war, the United States will need a reckoning with the militaristic culture which made war on Afghanistan at first a popular demand and later a background noise that most Americans could ignore. That militaristic culture is still packed into American entertainment and news commentary, simmering until the next reason for war allows it to boil into another frenzy of xenophobic vengeance.
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The vaccine: Misinformation and mandates | Sebastiano Porcu | Communist Party USA
Kevin Lindemann and Cathy Campo
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“Islamophobia and the Politics of Empire”: Deepa Kumar on How Racism Fueled U.S. Wars Post-9/11
Charles Keener
“Islamophobia and the Politics of Empire”: Deepa Kumar on How Racism Fueled U.S. Wars Post-9/11 | Democracy Now!
Twenty years ago today, President George W. Bush visited the National Cathedral in Washington to remember the victims of the September 11th attacks. He vowed to, quote, “answer these attacks and rid the world of evil,” unquote. The U.S. bombing and occupation of Afghanistan would begin less than a month later, beginning 20 years of endless war.
According to the Costs of War Project, the wars launched by the United States following 9/11 have killed an estimated 929,000 people in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen and elsewhere. The true death toll may never be known, but the vast majority of the victims have been Muslim. “Racism is baked into the security logic of the national security state in the U.S., as well as in terms of how it operates abroad,” says Islamophobia scholar Deepa Kumar, a professor of media studies at Rutgers University. “The war on terror was sold to the American public using Orientalist and racist ideas that these societies are backward.” Kumar is the author of “Islamophobia and the Politics of Empire: 20 Years After 9/11,” an updated version of her 2012 book that examined how the war on terror ushered in a new era of anti-Muslim racism.
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PNW Carpenters Union Leadership's Disgraceful "Strategy"
John Reimann
Introduction: After having had four contract proposals/tentative agreements (TA’s) rejected by the membership, the leadership of the Western Washington Regional Council of Carpenters has been forced to call a strike. This is after the Council representatives argued for months that the union should not demand a higher raise in order to help “recapture market share” – a business term if there ever was one. Now, the Council is doing what it can to ensure that the strike is not very effective. Jason, a carpenter in the area, explains. Oaklandsocialist comments below that. By Jason B. I was given the news earlier of the council’s plans for a strike. An apprentice notified us in a group text that they only planned on hitting 4 job sites on Thursday morning for a strike. 1 up north, 2 in Seattle, and 1 down south. When I heard this I was shocked and in disbelief. When this was confirmed after I talked to [another brother] my shock and disbelief turned to anger. I had no faith in our leadership to begin with, but this is nothing short of sabotage.... Read full story here: https://oaklandsocialist.com/2021/09/14/washington-state-carpenters-strike-update/ “Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook
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IATSE is gearing up for a possible strike | David Trujillo | People's World
Kevin Lindemann and Cathy Campo
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Re: Moderators Note I: Lou's Blog
Les Schaffer
As I said, Lou and I were reassured by WordPress.com that his blog would remain in perpetuity once his Premium plan runs out next May If you're suggesting that there ought to be a backup to the WordPress site such a thing I suppose could be done, but Lou never worried about a backup Les
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 6:41 PM Roger Kulp <leucovorinsaves@...> wrote: Has any attempt been made to create a permanent archive of The Unrepentant Marxist?
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Re: Dave Zirin: You Can’t Separate Sports and Politics | Alex N. Press | Jacobin
Michael Meeropol
I personally think that the example of the MLB Players' Association is a fabulous argument in favor of militant unions. And I bet with a very brief piece of information about the rate of exploitation in MLB (billions forever for owners --- millions, even tens of millions for a VERY BRIEF time period for players ---) American workers with much lower incomes will recognize that it was SOLIDARITY which got MLB players the high incomes they have now ---- they may be the ONLY Union in history where NOT ONE MEMBER ever crossed a picket line .... That should be trumpeted to all workers to show the value of unions. (also, a bit of history -- baseball began as a working class game -- and up until the beginning of free agency, lots of baseball professionals, even stars, had to have winter jobs!)
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Re: Moderators Note I: Lou's Blog
Has any attempt been made to create a permanent archive of The Unrepentant Marxist?
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Re: Dave Zirin: You Can’t Separate Sports and Politics | Alex N. Press | Jacobin
John Obrien
Jeff,
Myself who grew up on baseball and a avid sport teams fan, believes you are incorrect when you state that one must be a sports fan
to understand workers. I have known laborers who were not sports fans and understood capitalist exploitation and why too many
try to adapt and accept and fear harm, if they openly challenge the bosses. Often many due to religious, family, cultural influences.
I also have known non-laborer Marxists, who are sports fans. Many of the most famous contributors to Marxist views, have been
sports fans. I am aware of some sports players who were Marxists.
How did you determine that "large segments of the [U. S.] left, don't understand workers in the U. S."?
And your implying that the majority of U. S. leftists, have not been sports fans, how did you arrive at that conclusion?
As a life long U. S. laborer, I understand that many in the U. S., prefer to spend interests in sports and culture, sensing wrongly
that they themselves have no power or control over "politics". Actually, we know that the opposite is the case with laborers,
collectively organizing and spending effort, can enact their substantial power for a workers government, representing and much
involving them.
It is recognized that currently most U. S. laborers spend time discussing about sports teams and players and statistics, cultural
celebrities lives and about knowing corporate fashion brands and their logos, rather than interest in reading history and economics.
Because they do not themselves value their own power separate, from seeking instead to identify with some sports team and musician
AS an important completion of their identity and interests and of "worth" in knowing the statistics of a team/player and the cultural
figures lives and the popular arts they contribute to.
Many U. S. labor unions have held sports events and there were socialist organizations, that had sports teams, choral groups, etc.
I have been advocating for DSA large branches, to establish both sports teams, music bands and choruses, to use for also outreach
and organizing in working class neighborhoods.
From: Jeffrey Masko <j.alan.masko@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 1:26 PM And you can't understand workers without sports, which is one reason why large segments of the left don't understand workers in the U.S..
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