Re: Scholz's visit to China
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Il giorno 9 nov 2022, alle ore 20:26, Charlie <charles1848@...> ha scritto:
Cherry-picked. As Mark Twain acknowledged that he took from Disraeli, ci sono bugie, maledette bugie e statistiche.
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Re: Scholz's visit to China

Charlie
Cherry-picked. As Mark Twain acknowledged that he took from Disraeli, ci sono bugie, maledette bugie e statistiche.
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Re: Scholz's visit to China
It could also be said that “much of German capital is currently polarized IN China”.
Some data can also be helpful: in 2021: 1) Trade Germany-China > 200bn 2) among the 10 biggest listed German companies, 9 receive 10% of their revenues from sales in China (the same is true only for 2 of the biggest American companies); 3) Every 5 sold VW cars, 2 are sold in China; 4) last year Germany did 14% of ALL FDI in China. (Source : MilanoFinanza, 5.11.2022).
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Il giorno 9 nov 2022, alle ore 19:39, Charlie <charles1848@...> ha scritto:
German capital is polarizing over China. _._,_._,_
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Re: Scholz's visit to China

Charlie
your selection of 'random' clips may I fear, suffer from a selection bias.
Of course there was a bias, namely, selection by date: these reports of German wariness of Chinese expansionism came in before the Ukraine war, since Marv erroneously tried to tie the growing antagonism to the war. German capital is polarizing over China. Examples show it week after week. I posted one report that came in today at https://groups.io/g/marxmail/topic/germany_blocks_chinese_stake/94917506
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Germany blocks Chinese stake in two chipmakers

Charlie
Germany blocks Chinese stake
in two chipmakers
By Andreas Rinke and Miranda
Murray, Reuters, Nov. 9, 2022
Berlin - The German government on Wednesday blocked prospective
Chinese investment in two domestic semiconductor producers on
concerns over the flow of sensitive technological know-how to
Beijing.
The government vetoed the takeover of the chip factory of the
Dortmund-based company Elmos by Silex, a Swedish company that is a
subsidiary of Chinese group Sai Microelectronics.
Berlin also blocked investment in ERS Electronic. The company had
been exploring investment from a Chinese private equity firm.
"We have to look at company takeovers closely, when it comes to
important infrastructure or when there is a danger that technology
flows to buyers from non-EU countries," Economy Minister Robert
Habeck said. "Especially in the semiconductor sector, it is
important to us to protect the technological and economic
sovereignty of Germany and Europe. Of course, Germany is and will
remain an open investment location, but we are not naive either."
Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian said, "All
countries, including Germany, should provide a fair, open and
non-discriminatory market environment for the normal operation of
Chinese enterprises."
From
https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/germany-block-chinese-takeover-semiconductor-firm-ers-electronic-handelsblatt-2022-11-09/
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Ecosocialist Bookshelf, November 2022
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Russia: A Disguised Support for Imperialist Armament
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Re: Against voting for Democrats
And the future generations will ask, when amongst them arises the consciousness of a class-for-itself, how dare you claim leadership or legacy of leadership? The will say when we needed a class struggle workers party you claimed the Republicans had changed but did not mention the long term sprint to the right of the Democrats who you told our class to vote for.
They will be fighting for workers councils and look at your call for a bourgeois constitutional convention and realize you were just another reformist who abandoned Marxism. When they see your revision of Lenin by equating his call for a vote for the bourgeoisie/workers party with your call for voting for the capitalist Democrats they will cringe that self identified Marxists of our generation did not understand Lenin and his methods to break the workers from social democracy.
Your methods ignore the fact that the Democrats deny 3rd parties access to the ballot, you ignore that even the most “left” Democrats prove they are enemies of the international working class by consistently funding the imperialist war machine and the covert operations of the CIA and the “intelligence community.”
You do not even explain that the Democrats are the foremost advocates of the ‘Team Concept’ by which your Democratic labor leadership tie the hands of the workers to management. Not a word about the Democrats crushing Occupy! Not a word about how BLM energy was shut down as its leaders became an NGO and Democratic Party advocates. Not a word about all the missed opportunities to codify Roe and past the ERA. Not a word about how they dropped EFCA (employee free choice act) or how they never challenged Taft Hartley.
Your ilk is totally indistinguishable from the so called communists who went ‘Half the Way With LBJ’ objectively backing the war on Vietnam! As for the expansion of NATO that has long been the pledge and intent of the Democrats trying to sustain US imperialist hegemony. Their crimes against the workers are countless and you have signed on. This is how the crisis of the leadership of the working class is perpetuated YOY in the workers movement.
At least bourgeois Democrats are not class traitors they are loyal to their class. Those who pose as Marxists and support the capitalist parties, on the other hand are class traitors and state department socialists.
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On Monday, November 7, 2022, 7:50 PM, gilschaeffer82@... wrote: Definitely hard to stomach, but maybe advocate is too strong a word. As things stand today, the current "left" doesn't have the power to sway the vote one way or the other. It seems to me mostly a question of future orientation. After tomorrow our energy should go toward developing our democratic ideology and strategy. Discussing how to distinguish ourselves from the Democratic Party will be part of that. There are bound to be multiple approaches to this problem. Many people will be working on it.
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Re: What I learned campaigning for Oakland mayor as the working class socialist candidate
John , I would argue that is not what are "meant to be about". We are meant to build a political alternative, full stop. The tactics, obviously, can vary. When the short lived Labor Party in the U.S. finally, and well too late, to begin to investigate where to run candidates, it was correct for them to pick districts where unions could easily endorse a labor party candidate without causing a defeat for the the previously backed "pro-union" Democrat. There were of course those "socialists" who argued that the LP should run candidates against Democrats that had a 100% favorable rating by unions and community organizations. It was an idiotic and totally self-defeating tactic to do this that would of insured the isolation of the LP from any future voice among the unions.
I think John R. comments are well considered.
David
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Re: What I learned campaigning for Oakland mayor as the working class socialist candidate
Worrying about being a "spoiler" is the same as saying 'we want the Democrats/Labour'. We're meant to be about "spoiling" their cozy little system, upsetting their apple cart.
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I agree with Michael. Indeed, we know that most Congressional districts are one-party at this point, so avoiding the spoiler role sh not be hard. A clear, class-based socialist message could start to get a hearing around much of the country. After a while, in Democratic districts, a socialist might start coming in second, and in Republican ones, become the main opposition party.
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Re: What I learned campaigning for Oakland mayor as the working class socialist candidate
Lenin's advice to support the (UK) Labour Party - as a rope supports a hanging man - is of no relevance to today. Lenin expected, correctly as it transpired, that Labour would prove not to be the party of working class revolution and liberation. Over 100 years ago.
He made his point, he was proved right, we no longer need to test his hypothesis, or "support" the party in order to demonstrate its unfitness for our purpose.
The US Democrats weren't even new to the game when Lenin was making that statement. In fact, given the nature of the duopoly in the US, he could just as easily been making that suggestion about the Republicans - it was the GOP that ended slavery after all, and it was in many ways the more populist and left leaning party for a time. But we wouldn't cite Lenin and vote Trump . . .
We are in demoralising times, with the left at an historically weak point in its history. And yes, a significant faction in the Republican Party is scary.
But in this time, saying 'vote Democrat to keep out Trump!' is not saying, 'Hey, you thousands of militant, angry, organized socialist workers: vote Democrat as a rope supports a hanging man, because that'll show other workers how bad they are'. We've been there, done that. It's saying, 'Vote Democrat because we're desperate and they're our only saviours'. And that is a terrible message for a Marxist to utter.
Comradely, John
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Re : "DSA endorsed three liberal Democrats for mayor," ? How does that
work? Three ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Oakland_mayoral_election
, from that it looks to me like Sheng Thao wrapped up the endorsement
of the progs. Looking through https://twitter.com/DSAEastBay , I saw
nothing about endorsements .
https://www.eastbaydsa.org/campaigns/ , listed endorsements for school
board and city council in Oakland, nothing about (a) mayoral
endorsement(s). News for the East Bay's diverse, working-class
majority. Brought to you by the Democratic Socialists of America, East
Bay chapter. https://eastbaymajority.com/ , could be updated more
often , as could https://www.eastbaydsa.org/news/ . "EBDSA endorsed,"
as a search term on Twitter , did not result in any endorsement
factoid, on the Mayoral race.
https://twitter.com/search?q=EBDSA%20endorsed%20&src=typed_query&f=live
. https://twitter.com/search?q=oakland%20mayor%20DSA%20&src=typed_query&f=live
, the first result ,
https://twitter.com/heathr/status/1588336551284514816?s=20&t=RvptoEM0g7VNuhSOQynJJg
, and the next Tweet, am I correct in assuming that ,"Harami," is the
DSA'er who is the campaign manager for Sheng Thao for Mayor? "Also
disturbed to see a candidate for Oakland Mayor w a DSA campaign
manager possibly in a position to win. Among other DSA positions, the
party opposes backing the US arming of Ukraine," via
https://twitter.com/heathr/status/1588336551284514816?s=20&t=RvptoEM0g7VNuhSOQynJJg
Electoral Committee
The Electoral Committee organizes East Bay DSA’s electoral campaigns,
and coordinates with EBDSA-endorsed elected officials. We cannot vote
our way to socialism, but the state is nonetheless a key arena of
struggle against capital, and electoral campaigns can be powerful
tools to foster working-class militancy and build socialist power and
organization. The Electoral Committee is tasked with long term
electoral strategy, preparing home-grown socialist candidates to run
for office, and running independent chapter campaigns to help them
win.
Co-chairs: Neder G.-S. and Jess B.
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Contact: elections@...
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La Via Campesina Call to Action for the 27th UN Climate COP : Via Campesina
La Via Campesina Call to Action for the 27th UN Climate COP
(Bagnolet, October 31, 2022) Year after year, one UN Climate Conference of the Parties (COP) after another, the global climate crisis only worsens. Caused in great part by agribusiness and the destructive capitalist system it fuels, today’s crisis is a direct result of an economic system that exploits every form of life without recognizing any limits to nature. Mother Earth’s intricate systems and life-sustaining cycles are broken, with the devastating Covid19 pandemic, and the inaccessibility of health care for many, demonstrating just how cruel capitalism can be when it comes to inflicting the pain, suffering and loss, caused by the destruction of nature. Be it in Pakistan, Palestine or Puerto Rico – to name just a few – the once distant threat of “climate change” now comes in wave after wave of “catastrophic weather events” making climate-fueled tragedies an all-too-frequent part of people’s daily lives. From droughts to floods, through wildfires and hurricanes, these extreme manifestations have threatened and even destroyed people’s lives and food sovereignty, who are calling for real solutions to limit global warming to 1.5°C. As if that weren’t enough, wars, occupations and sanctions are dished out by the power-hungry with little regard for the UN-recognized rights to Food, Health, Peace and Self-Determination, much less the now universal human right to a “clean, healthy and sustainable environment” (UN General Assembly, 2022). In addition, The State of Food Security and Nutrition in the World (SOFI, 2022) reported that the climate vulnerable and extremes underline rising numbers of hungry people, poverty and inequality.
At the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and its annual Climate COPs, transnational corporations (TNCs) use their control over most national governments and multilateral institutions to commodify the crisis, deny fossil fuel capitalism has anything to do with it, and limit any real possibility of transformative change. Though the corporate food system is responsible for more than 50% of all greenhouse gasses (GHGs), the Bayer-Monsanto’s of the world offer nothing more than profit-hungry proposals packaged into shameful “net zero” schemes. Instead of a very real, urgent and necessary reduction in emissions – whose main responsibility lies with the elites of historic emitters such as the United States, Europe, Canada and Australia – corporate false solutions provide a free pass to the dominant colonial core while leading a global assault on rural communities, livelihoods and territories. So-called “nature-based solutions” (NBS) such as REDD and REDD+, “soil carbon for offsetting” and other market-based trading schemes, and the corporate takeover of agriculture through patenting, “digitalization”, “sustainable intensification” and “climate-smart(ation)” are all big wins for agribusiness but terrible losses for peasants, indigenous peoples, fisherfolk, forest dwellers and others on the frontlines of the global climate crisis. And when the great hoax of “net zero” fails to calm the climate, transnational corporations promise extremely high-risk geoengineering will somehow save the day (or at least their profit margins). This has been the norm at Climate COP after Climate COP, and the 27th Annual Conference of the Parties (COP27) is unlikely to be any different.
Supposedly “Africa’s COP”, this year’s Climate COP is set to take place at the elitist and artificial enclave that is Egypt’s Sharm el Sheikh. Far removed from the African and Arab People’s steadfast struggles for self-determination, COP27 is leaving very little room for organized communities to speak truth to corporate power. For this reason, among others, many of our sister organizations of the Africa Climate Justice Collective (ACJC) organized the African People’s Counter COP demanding real solutions rooted in climate justice, a prioritization of people and the planet, and an end to corporate control of the UNFCCC. These demands are in line with our hard-fought UN Declaration on the Rights of Peasants and Other People Working in Rural Areas (UNDROP):“States shall take all necessary measures to ensure that non-State actors that they are in a position to regulate, such as private individuals and organizations, and transnational corporations and other business enterprises, respect and strengthen the rights of peasants and other people working in rural areas..(and)…take appropriate measures to ensure that peasants and other people working in rural areas enjoy, without discrimination, a safe, clean and healthy environment”.
It is precisely because of this context that La Vía Campesina will be at COP27. Delegates from member organizations will make their voices, traditions, experiences and solutions heard. We will continue to promote, practice and uplift Food Sovereignty as the right of peoples to healthy and culturally appropriate food produced through ecologically sound and sustainable methods and the right to define our food and agricultural systems. We will explain once again that peasants through agroecological practices and territories cultivate more than 70% of the food produced worldwide on less than 30% of the arable lands available. We will emphasize that Agroecology is a sustainable path forward based on centuries of experience and accumulated real evidence – it is a science, a social movement and a lifestyle practised by millions around the world through meaningful work, cooperation, strategy and organization. We will amplify and share UNDROP, an international legal instrument that we helped to create and that defends people’s rights over their territories, seeds, waters, forests and that promotes a more sustainable way of being and living. We will stand in Solidarity with all who struggle for collective rights and reiterate the need for “common but differentiated responsibilities” among States – including a vibrant Green Climate Fund free of any International Monetary Fund (IMF) or World Bank (WB) influence, void of all neo-liberal impositions that serve only to further exploit people and the planet, and fully financed through climate reparations for the colonial legacies of the past and present. We stand in solidarity with and support those in the Climate Justice Movement demanding climate just reparations, not simple “climate finance”. Finally, we will be in COP27 continuing to expand our arms and shoulders building solidarity, action and common strategy with grassroots organizations, alliances and social movements from around the world fighting for climate and social justice.
While most national governments and multilateral institutions offer capitalist solutions that systematically fail to address the climate crisis, we, the organized voice of over 200 million peasants, landless workers, indigenous people, pastoralists, fishers, migrant, farmworkers, small and medium-size farmers, rural women, peasant youth and gender-diverse persons of La Via Campesina, in convergence with a diversity of movements for Climate Justice, reiterate here and now our real solutions: FOOD SOVEREIGNTY COOLS THE PLANET ! We will build it with agroecology and peasants’ rights to ensure a Just Transition rooted in people’s power, ecological and social well being, and solidarity at the local, regional and international context. Together, in struggle, we will win!
PEASANTS RIGHTS’ AND AGROECOLOGY FOR A JUST TRANSITION!
GLOBALIZE THE STRUGGLE!
GLOBALIZE HOPE!
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Michael Roberts: "It's the economy, stupid!"
More good sense from Marxist economist Michael Roberts who points to surveys showing that economic issues continue to matter most to American voters by a wide margin, compared to abortion, the threat to democratic rights, guns, and climate change, the issues favoured most by liberals.
This isn’t surprising. Popular unrest - up to and including social revolution - has typically been sparked by prices sharply outpacing incomes, especially in relation to basic needs like food, shelter, and energy. In these circumstances, toleration of social inequality is replaced by growing resentment towards the rich and powerful. As Roberts notes, “even though the official unemployment rate is near all-time lows, the rise in income earned from these jobs nowhere near covers rocketing inflation in food, fuel and rents” while "inequality of income and wealth has never been so extreme in modern US history”.
Unfortunately, this time round it is the far right rather than the left which is mobilizing working class discontent, for which arguably much of the US (and European) left has itself to blame.
The GOP is capitalizing on the economic distress of US workers who are questioning why so tens of billions of dollars are being provided to Ukraine and diverted from US social needs while war-fueled inflation compounds their pain. The Biden administration owns this mess, and liberals and socialists in and around the Democratic party who should instead be building an antiwar movement and calling for an immediate end to the fighting, as they have done previously, have mostly been swept up or cowed by the new cold war propaganda emanating from government and the media in the US and other NATO countries.
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Re: What I learned campaigning for Oakland mayor as the working class socialist candidate
Michael Pugliese <michael.098762001@...>
Re : "DSA endorsed three liberal Democrats for mayor," ? How does that work? Three ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Oakland_mayoral_election, from that it looks to me like Sheng Thao wrapped up the endorsement of the progs. Looking through https://twitter.com/DSAEastBay , I saw nothing about endorsements . https://www.eastbaydsa.org/campaigns/ , listed endorsements for school board and city council in Oakland, nothing about (a) mayoral endorsement(s). News for the East Bay's diverse, working-class majority. Brought to you by the Democratic Socialists of America, East Bay chapter. https://eastbaymajority.com/ , could be updated more often , as could https://www.eastbaydsa.org/news/ . "EBDSA endorsed," as a search term on Twitter , did not result in any endorsement factoid, on the Mayoral race. https://twitter.com/search?q=EBDSA%20endorsed%20&src=typed_query&f=live. https://twitter.com/search?q=oakland%20mayor%20DSA%20&src=typed_query&f=live, the first result , https://twitter.com/heathr/status/1588336551284514816?s=20&t=RvptoEM0g7VNuhSOQynJJg, and the next Tweet, am I correct in assuming that ,"Harami," is the DSA'er who is the campaign manager for Sheng Thao for Mayor? "Also disturbed to see a candidate for Oakland Mayor w a DSA campaign manager possibly in a position to win. Among other DSA positions, the party opposes backing the US arming of Ukraine," via https://twitter.com/heathr/status/1588336551284514816?s=20&t=RvptoEM0g7VNuhSOQynJJgElectoral Committee The Electoral Committee organizes East Bay DSA’s electoral campaigns, and coordinates with EBDSA-endorsed elected officials. We cannot vote our way to socialism, but the state is nonetheless a key arena of struggle against capital, and electoral campaigns can be powerful tools to foster working-class militancy and build socialist power and organization. The Electoral Committee is tasked with long term electoral strategy, preparing home-grown socialist candidates to run for office, and running independent chapter campaigns to help them win. Co-chairs: Neder G.-S. and Jess B. Mobilizer: Ethan L. Contact: elections@... https://www.eastbaydsa.org/committees/
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Re: What I learned campaigning for Oakland mayor as the working class socialist candidate
First of all, Michael Meerapol, your comment to my blog did not fail; I just had to approve it. And I welcome all other serious comments, including critical ones. I also agree with the point about running for office where one side or the other cannot win. In the past, I criticized this position as in effect supporting the Democrats. It's not really that; it's opposing the Republicans. (That's what I tell people about how I voted in 2020. I didn't vote for Biden; I voted against Trump.) Many socialists still oppose voting for a Democrat today. I used to. Here's how my thinking changed:
As the 2020 election approached, I found myself really, really hoping Trump did not get reelected. But then I had to ask myself: "Well, if I so hope Trump loses, then shouldn't I vote for Biden?" So I had to think it through. The fact is that I never cared that much before. That is because the Republicans have changed. So our analysis and our strategy has to change with that change in the objective situation.
We have no illusions in the Democrats. I don't think anybody can accuse me of sowing any such illusions in my campaign. At the national level there is Pelosi, Biden & Co. who want to go back to the old friendly collaboration between the two parties. That is never going to happen. The same dynamic was played out in Oakland's mayoral race, in which all the liberals refused to directly confront and attack Ignacio de la Fuente. As I said, they cannot resolve the problem because they will not build a working class movement. But still, there is a significant difference.
As for the Democrats being an imperialist party: This is not a moral question. The Labour Party was and is an imperialist party. Lenin advocated actually joining that party. Nobody is advocating "joining" the Democrats, nor even getting involved in trying to reform them. But the times have changed and how we see the situation must recognize that.
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Re: Scholz's visit to China
Right. I think Scholz’s visit to China is also a kind (and late) way to express his discontent to Washington moves. And yes, the economic importance of German-Chinese ties is much greater than Charlie appears to think they are.
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Il giorno 8 nov 2022, alle ore 13:05, hari kumar <hari6.kumar@...> ha scritto:
Charlie: I am not sure what you mean by this 'kicking the can down the road' bit. Sure - it was quite clear for some time that a tough choice for German capitalists had to be made - between US and China capital.
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Re: Scholz's visit to China
Charlie: I am not sure what you mean by this 'kicking the can down the road' bit. Sure - it was quite clear for some time that a tough choice for German capitalists had to be made - between US and China capital. As I wrote in an initial assessment of Merkel's reign:
"In Summary: In the dynamic of 21st century capitalism, under Merkel Germany has tried to ride several horses. But the increasingly tense race between USA and Chinese imperialism, will likely force Merkel’s heirs to be clearer about opposing US imperialism. " 25/07.21 at: https://www.theleftberlin.com/an-initial-assessment-of-angela-merkels-legacy/
But your selection of 'random' clips may I fear, suffer from a selection bias. For example, the controversy over the German firm Elmos 'chips' which China was trying to buy. While it had apparently been approved, now Halbeck (Greens Ampel - Federal economics minister) has vetoed it. https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/tech/robert-habeck-will-verkauf-von-elmos-an-china-verbieten-a-af5cf909-ec3b-40ba-96b1-fa3b110afcbf There are a number of firms tilting towards the USA and opening branch plants there (https://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/news/detail/9073) Their politicla represenatitaves are tryign to block Chian's acquisiton of port facilaite in Hamburg (from whre Scholz hails politically s[eaking) - see: "The Chinese shipping company COSCO’s acquisition of a stake in a terminal in the port of Hamburg, agreed upon last year, was approved last week only with certain restrictions. Federal ministers from the FDP and Greens had done their best to prevent it. The dispute must be seen in the context of the contradictions in Germany’s economic development. " https://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/news/detail/9071
What we are seeing is a divided (again!) German capitalist class. Scholz is far more trying to tight-rope towards China; Halbeck and the even more dreadful Frau Baerbock - do all they can to swing Germany towards the USA. The coalition is divided as to how to proceed. We shall see. Meanwhile, the mysterious explosions in the North Sea finally destroying any chance of re-using them as a Nordstream, may (I am not sure - but I do highly suspect) were secretly exploded possibly by the USA: "Did the USA, as immediately discussed in many voices on Twitter, kill the pipeline project, which has always been unloved?" At: https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-anschlag-operation-seebeben-a-2525d727-a892-4781-89b7-34cd5d1ecae3 I also read how the US foreign chap (forget the name) was anxious not to go to the query of "who gains - cui bono"? The whole 'affair' is very mysterious: https://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/news/detail/9057
Anyway, Tooze bet me to a very similar article (not as polished as his of course!). But in summary, i do think there is some merit to this line of thinking. Marv - look fwd to your added thoughts. Hari
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Re: The ACLU’s Drift From Radical to Neutral Tells the Story of Modern American Liberalism
I hope the book notes that the mantle of defending free speech as part of movements for change was taken up, as the ACLU became more moderate, by other organizations such as the National Emergency Civil Liberties Committee, long and ably headed by Edith Tiger, for whom I proudly worked for many years in my youth, and the National Lawyers Guild (for which I was the national law student organizer in 1988), as well as by the Center for Constitutional Rights, the National Conference of Black Lawyers, and others. The ACLU never had a monopoly on defense of free speech or other Constitutional Rights.
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