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"Finish the Fight"
Dayne Goodwin
"...But the 100th anniversary of the passage of the 19th Amendment has
been an opportunity for some to take a closer look at the stories of the
women of the movement — the ones we think we already know, and the ones
that have been lost to history. "Finish the Fight!: The Brave and Revolutionary Women Who Fought for the Right to Vote is a picture book by Veronica Chambers and the staff of The New York Times — and it paints a very different picture of the various women who fought for the right to vote."
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After 48 Years, Democrats Endorse Nuclear Energy In Platform
Biibi R <becausetheworldisrou@...>
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DSA at a crossroads
Dayne Goodwin
DSA at a Crossroads by Andrew Sernatinger, Tempest, August 19 . . . "Without some kind of infrastructure-building, all of DSA’s work is mediated through other organizations and we actually don’t live up to our potential. A socialist organization has to be the extension of workers’ and oppressed peoples’ own struggles and self-activity and has to lead and take initiatives in our fight for socialism. "Organizationally, DSA still has many vestiges of its pre-2017 self. Many of the internal structures are holdovers from a group that was largely a paper-member nonprofit. If democracy means “the people rule”, DSA isn’t really all that democratic. How can DSA transform into a robust, democratic, and member-led organization? This isn’t an organizational side dish beside the main meal—democracy is going to be essential to having an organization with its members’ confidence if we’re going to make it through the coming years. While we champion direct officer elections in the United Auto Workers, this isn’t something DSA has instituted for itself. How will information be dispersed, and decisions be brought to members to decide the course of the organization rather than rely on the contours of a leadership and its caucus politics? If decisions stay behind closed doors, members view the organization as external to them and begin to divest from it. In a digital age, it shouldn’t be hard to incorporate plebiscites and polls to determine major policy and direction." . . .
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Re: Marxism, housing and rent
Louis Proyect
On 8/26/20 9:35 PM, Ryan via groups.io wrote:
This is also fantastic. Anything by David Madden (@davidjmadden)https://louisproyect.org/2010/08/24/the-housing-question-2/
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Re: Marxism, housing and rent
This is also fantastic. Anything by David Madden (@davidjmadden)
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On Aug 26, 2020, at 4:19 PM, Chris Slee <chris_w_slee@...> wrote:
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video of Kenosha cops kumbaya with fascists
Peter Turner <karlrosa1919@...>
One of those in the group that the cops are saying "Hey, you guys are great" is Rittenour, who goes out to murder two BLM protestors seven minutes later. Then they let him go when he walks through their lines with a rifle slung across his chest just after the murders, committed just a half block away with the shots obviously heard. The cops provide cover for him by advancing with armored trucks against protestors chasing him. Instead of listening to liberals just talking about the cops original shooting, I want to hear them address the police complicity with fascist murder. I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: Marxism, housing and rent
Chris Slee
Socialist Alliance housing policy:
Green Left article:
From: marxmail@groups.io <marxmail@groups.io> on behalf of Anthony Teso <anthony.p.teso@...>
Sent: Sunday, 23 August 2020 8:48 AM To: marxmail@groups.io <marxmail@groups.io> Subject: [marxmail] Marxism, housing and rent Can folks point me towards resources that will give me a Marxist analysis of private housing and tenant rent? Thanks
-- Tony
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video discussing and exposing the latest
Peter Turner <karlrosa1919@...>
This video is revealing, showing the collusion between the killer, his fascist friends, and the police. Some of what is shown is now unavailable online. It will be interesting to see how the democrat ticket duo react to the police/murderer/fascist militia collusion aspect. There is also a video circulating, but hard to find, that shows a police armored truck pulling up to the armed white militia and telling them over a loudspeaker that they are doing a great job, the police appreciate their presence, and handing out bottled water. It seems that video has been copyrighted, so is unavailable now. Finally, thanks to those who validated and expanded upon what I wrote earlier, as it is always good to learn real history.
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Kenosha Shooting: 17-Year-Old Kyle Rittenhouse Arrested In Connection With Shooting That Left 2 Dead, 1 Wounded – CBS Chicago
Louis Proyect
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Re: From settler colony to slaveholder republic
Andrew Stewart
From my research, it is demonstrable that the chattel bond slavery system was initiated by Columbus' landing in the hemisphere. He kidnapped people and began the rudimentary slave system. Howard Zinn's PEOPLE'S HISTORY made this clear in the first chapter. If we want to put it in Marxian terms, it was the method of "primitive accumulation." The events of 1619 can and should be marked as a historical moment of importance, as should the end of the Pequot war in 1638 that initiated the slave system in New England. But things were begun in 1492. Gerald Horne has argued in his latest book that the genesis in North America dates back a century prior to 1619. Here's an interview I did with him:
https://washingtonbabylon.com/nyt-1619-horne/
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Re: ‘I Fear That We Are Witnessing the End of American Democracy’
fkalosar101@...
Esall's opening assertion that "The Republican Party as it stands to day" equals "the center-right political coalition in America" is so gob-stoppingly wrong that I could barely read the rest of the piece.The Democratic Party is the closest thing to a "center-right political coalition party" in the USA--surely even they are so far to the right by world standards that the word "center" is barely justified.
The Republican Party is a far right-wing party and has been one ever since the days of Barry Goldwater if not before. It has only gotten worse, and the racism more overt, during the Trump years. Most of the rather meandering article revolves around quotations from a number of "social scientists" of whom I for one have never heard, though no doubt others have, as I have a long way to go in that regard. We hear ominous rumblings about mysterious entities such as a neural structure that guides our perception of salient threats and understanding of social group hierarchy [and] also underlies political preferences and behaviors to keep society as it is. What the hell that is supposed to prove is never stated. If basic human nature is to blame for the final sin of the Democrats, what could anyone do about it, and why complain? The final conclusion, though IMO never clearly stated, seems to be that the Democrats are bringing about the end of democracy by failing to rise somehow above "tribalism," whatever the hell that is supposed to mean. Trump started it, Edsall seems to be saying, but we expect the Democrats to rise above such pettiness. Unfortunately, The emergence of a right-populist, authoritarian-inclined Republican Party coincides with the advent of a bifurcated Democratic Party led, in large part, by a well-educated, urban, globally engaged multicultural elite allied with a growing minority electorate. I think that Biden will probably win and will probably be the next president. But the fact that I can’t say more than ‘probably’ is terrifying to me. I fear that we are witnessing the end of American democracy.” This piece reminds me of Chris Hedges at his doomiest, minus the homiletic verve. Yes, the potential end of American "democracy"--but because the Democrats are "too tribal" or have given in to the inexorable pressure of some mysterious "neural structure"? What am I missing?
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European colonization of the East Coast
anthonyboynton@...
(I tried to send this in reply to Chris Goldsbury, twice, but for some reason it bounced back, twice.)
European colonization of the East Coast did not wait "until after the native tribes were wiped out by an unknown disease imported by trappers". It began in Florida, continued in Virginia and Quebec, and then proceeded into New England. You are probably referring to the epidemic that preceded the pilgrims landing at Plymouth. However, even in that case, the local population would have recovered from the epidemic if the great migration into Massachusetts a decade later had not occurred. In fact, the depopulation of the Native American population of the East Coast was not an accomplished fact until after the series of wars up and down the coast including "King Phillip's War" in New England and the Yamasee wars in Carolina/Georgia had been won by the European invaders. The diaspora of East Coast peoples and polities to the west was finalized by those wars, not by disease.
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Re: back to Chris
Suren Moodliar
Do consider the following excerpt and source: https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/exactly-new-englands-indian-population-decimated/ About 60,000 Indians lived in New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut at the beginning of the 17th century, according to Sherburne Cook. Maine had a robust population of Abenaki tribes. According to some estimates, Maine had more than 20,000 Penobscot, Micmac and Passamaquoddy Indians. A century later, New England’s Indian population began to disappear. Some tribes were already extinct. This is how the Europeans nearly wiped out the Indian population. INDIAN POPULATION BEFORE THE PILGRIMS The seeds of the Indians’ destruction were planted more than a century before the Pilgrims set foot on Plymouth Rock. In what is now Canada and Maine, contact with Europeans began even before English and French explorers showed up at the turn of the 16th century. In 1504, a French vessel was documented fishing the Grand Banks off Newfoundland. Portuguese fishermen arrived two years later. By 1519, a hundred European ships made round trips to the Grand Banks. The first tourist cruise to North America sailed from London in 1536, but food ran short and many died. The European visitors brought with them diseases to which the Indians had no immunity, including smallpox, measles, tuberculosis, cholera and bubonic plague. Maine’s Passamaquoddy Indians, among the first to make contact with Europeans, were devastated by a typhus epidemic in 1586. Other diseases brought the Passamaquoddy population to 4,000 from 20,000. THE 1616 PLAGUE In 1616, a terrible plaque swept the Massachusetts coast, wreaking the most devastation north of Boston. It’s not clear what it was – perhaps smallpox, perhaps yellow fever, perhaps bubonic plague. Whatever it was, it was terrifying. So much of the Indian population died there weren’t enough left to bury the dead. English colonist Thomas Morton described the heaps of dead Indians ‘a new found Golgotha.’ As many as 90 percent of the 4,500 Indians of the Massachusetts tribe perished. The disease cleared the Boston Harbor islands of inhabitants. English explorer John Smith had visited New England before the plague in 1614. He returned eight years later, and what he saw shocked him. “God had laid this country open for us,” he wrote. “Where I had seen 100 or 200 people, there is scarce ten to be found.” Disease persisted among the Massachusetts from 1620 to 1630. When smallpox struck in 1633, it left only about 750 and obliterated entire villages. The colonists herded the Massachusetts who survived into Christian villages of ‘praying Indians.’ Puritan minister Increase Mather wrote ‘about this time [1631] the Indians began to be quarrelsome touching the Bounds of the Land which they had sold to the English, but God ended the Controversy by sending the Smallpox amongst the Indians of Saugust, who were before that time exceeding numerous.’ Along the Merrimack River in New Hampshire, Mohawk raids had already weakened the Pennacook Indians when the 1616 plague arrived. It killed three out of four Pennacooks. That same plague almost completely obliterated two other Pennacook tribes in Massachusetts, the Agawam in Ipswich and the Naumkeag in Salem.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:52 PM Chris Goldsbury <chrisgoldsbury1@...> wrote:
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Re: back to Chris
Chris Goldsbury
North east. I’ll dig up the article
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On Aug 26, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Peter Turner <karlrosa1919@...> wrote:
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back to Chris
Peter Turner <karlrosa1919@...>
I'm surprised to learn that the native tribes on the east coast were wiped out by diseases imported by trappers before European settlers arrived. I would have thought that the trappers who brought diseases that wiped out the native population would have been Europeans themselves. Perhaps the "Indians" who the European settlers encountered when they arrived were actually trappers in disguise. St. Augustine, a city in Florida, has been in continual occupation since its founding in 1565. It was founded by Spanish settlers, sent by the same government that sent Columbus and enslaved native people we often call Indians. If we want to define a "project" by the modern boundaries drawn by Europeans, we miss the point: Europeans came to the Americas and enslaved "Indians" before they imported slaves from Africa. All slavery is bad, and all victims of it deserve recognition for that. And the last time I looked, St. Augustine is part of the U.S. If Chris' thesis were to reflect actual history, or even what has been purported to be history by the racist historians we learned from in school, we would have a European settler population who arrived to find no native population. We have a slogan for that thesis, one that has been popularized by European settlers in South Africa and Palestine: "A land without a people for a people without a land". Sorry, I don't buy it. Not the slogan, not the re-write of history, and not the dismissal of the plight of native people. The 1619 Project's thesis that the U.S. revolution was largely, or even mostly, about the perpetuation of slavery is an important correction to our country's myopic vision of its self-manufactured greatness. But for one representative of one of the groups victimized by slavery to implicitly ignore another group's genocide, including slavery, is simply wrong.
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Marxist alternatives to Jacobin | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
Louis Proyect
I felt a real sense of loss after the ISO dissolved. Although political differences over Cuba and Venezuela (as well as old age) prevented me from joining, I highly valued their newspaper and magazine that consistently defended a class line on electoral politics. When I discovered that a significant layer of their membership had joined the DSA and become Bernie Sanders supporters, the sense of loss became keener. When long-time revolutionary socialist Paul Le Blanc began sounding indistinguishable from the Jacobin writers, who all sounded alike on Sanders for that matter, I began to look for alternatives. To some extent, the principled left positions could still be found in “Against the Current” and “New Politics”. As for “Against the Current”, it will most likely continue even after Solidarity folds. You can also rely on “New Politics” to have many years ahead of it. The alternatives under consideration here, except for the first, are strictly online publications, thus making them accessible to people not willing to spend hard-earned money during a time of complete financial collapse. I have contributed to a couple of them (Left Voice, Regeneration) and encourage you to be generous when they request donations. So, without further ado: full: https://louisproyect.org/2020/08/26/marxist-alternatives-to-jacobin/
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Is the success of social-democracy built on imperialism?
Cody Edwards
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Re: Response to fkalosar, who seems to be asking for one
Chris Goldsbury
European colonization on the east coast had to wait until after the native tribes were wiped out by an unknown disease imported by trappers.
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On Aug 26, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Peter Turner <karlrosa1919@...> wrote:
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Response to fkalosar, who seems to be asking for one
Peter Turner <karlrosa1919@...>
I fully agree with your remarks, including how the 1619 Project exposed how the founding of the U.S. was not what we have been taught in our sanitized official version of our history. But one glaring problem exists with it: Why is it not the 1492 Project? Columbus brought souvenirs of his mission of conquest back to Spain, including slaves. We saw that the export of slaves from the U.S. to Europe didn't turn out well, but not for a lack of trying. Europeans enslaved many indigenous people here beginning from their arrival. The notion that the U.S., or its social origins, became oppressive beginning in 1619 is an affront to the experiences of people native to this land. It seems that the pattern of history being defined by those who write it rather than on the basis of how it actually happened is still with us. If we are to really practice the humanity we claim, we need to show the respect our native people deserve by honoring THEIR version of what happened.
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Re: From settler colony to slaveholder republic
fkalosar101@...
Everyone ought IMO to know that the US was objectively a settlerist slaveocracy that from its inception lustily murdered, exploited, and enslaved whole nations and immigrant chunk of nations and became a capitalist imperialist state that did the same thing as, eventually, the dominant superpower in an oppressive, exploitative, and deadly world system. Even today we shrink from describing that system fully because of its bewildering scale and because it seems impossible to change it.
The real question IMO is whether the continuing moral atrocity as evidenced glaringly (though by no means exclusively) by the universal and defiant public performance of racial murder by nearly all US police departments--"integration" or no--is so grave that it is no longer possible to see any value even amid gigantic contradictions in what was once generally considered to be the bourgeois democratic revolution of the Floundering Bothers--and its fulfillment in the US civil war and its aftermath. Some even continue to see value in what was once naively considered to be the worldwide defeat of fascism in World War II. Where do we all stand on this? If we can't see a value amid contradictions in European--indeed English and American history--perhaps starting with magna carta, all parties to which were parochial murdering thugs--what paradigm is available apart from "intersectionalism," Foucault-ism and other historically shallow (or initially shallow-looking) frameworks whatever they may be. And where is the Marxist critique of history after all that? Surely the historicity of the so-called American Revolution is in some sense significant there, even given the ripely fraudulent American Dream nonsense spouted by both so-called political parties in our all-but-lifeless ritual elections. Maybe these are not questions that should be asked. But if they are, what answers can the subscribers to this list begin to suggest? It should be possible to say something from the perspective of the ionosphere, even if ten wings of enraged commentary, compiled over innumerable pre-revolutionary generations, would be necessary to describe the answers fully.
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