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Re: International Bridgades

Marv Gandall
 

According to this Washington Post report, the Zelensky government's attempt to form an International Legion seems to be attracting its fair share of apolitical or vaguely right-wing young naifs and rootless aging veterans of the Iraq and Afghan wars, a far cry from the disciplined and politically conscious workers and intellectuals who were organized by the Comintern and smaller left-wing parties to fight in Spain.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/20/ukraine-foreign-fighters-americans/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F365ea71%2F6238a7e73e6ed13ade323af5%2F5a985d34ae7e8a6fbe9176e9%2F8%2F72%2F6238a7e73e6ed13ade323af5


Re: Chris Hedges: The Lie of American Innocence

Steven L. Robinson
 

Hedges is a professional journalist and a gifted writer.  He should be able to land on his feet.  The end of the "Moscow gold" subsidy should improve the credibility of Hedges and Camp.

SR

On 03/21/2022 9:45 AM Charles Keener via groups.io <ckeener20005@...> wrote:



Chris Hedges, Lee Camp and others have been hit very hard by the ending of RT America.  

I have become a subscriber to Hedges The Chris Hedges Report | Substack  and a Patreon supporter for Lee Camp.

Such voices are more essential than ever in my view.

If others are able, please consider supporting these or other left/progressive voices who risk being silenced along with RT.

Charles


Re: Chris Hedges: The Lie of American Innocence

Charles Keener
 


Chris Hedges, Lee Camp and others have been hit very hard by the ending of RT America.  

I have become a subscriber to Hedges The Chris Hedges Report | Substack  and a Patreon supporter for Lee Camp.

Such voices are more essential than ever in my view.

If others are able, please consider supporting these or other left/progressive voices who risk being silenced along with RT.

Charles


Re: Chris Hedges: The Lie of American Innocence

Dave Lindorff
 

Absolutely correct. It is meaningless posturing when US leaders like Biden, Blinken and Hillary Clinton talk about Putin's war crimes. They all backed the invasion and ousting of the government as well as the murder of the leader of Libya, all supported the illegal US intervention in Syria, all support the US arming of Saudi Arabia in its genocidal war on the Houti people in Yemen, and all supported the three illegal US wars and occupations of Iraq (2) and Afghanistan (1 long one). America has a long history of war crimes since World War II, beginning with the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the firebombings of most of Japan's major cities towards the end of that war, the carpet bombing of North Vietnam that killed 20% of the country's population -- men, women and children -- the slaughter of 3 million Vietnamese, Cambodians and Lao people in America's war on Indochina, the invasion of Grenada, Lebanon, Dominican Republic, Haiti, including the kidnapping of he Hatian elected president, El Salvador, Panama, the proxy war on Nicaragua, including the mining of Nicaragua's harbors, the coup in Chile, a 60-year Embargo of Cuba, etc., etc. Putin's crimes don't come close to those of the US, which, let's face it, is as Martin Luther King said back in his Riverside Church address, "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today."  That was said back in 1967, and it's even more true today as the US continues with a foreign policy of endless wars, and with the funding of an ever large military that now consumes more money than the next ten nations in the world combined spend on their militaries. 

Dave Lindorff

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 11:51 AM Charles Keener via groups.io <ckeener20005=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hedges: The Lie of American Innocence – scheerpost.com

Our hypocrisy on war crimes makes a rules-based world, one that abides by international law, impossible.

The branding of Vladimir Putin as a war criminal by Joe Biden, who lobbied for the Iraq war and staunchly supported the 20 years of carnage in the Middle East, is one more example of the hypocritical moral posturing sweeping across the United States. It is unclear how anyone would try Putin for war crimes since Russia, like the United States, does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court in The Hague. But justice is not the point. Politicians like Biden, who do not accept responsibility for our well-documented war crimes, bolster their moral credentials by demonizing their adversaries. They know the chance of Putin facing justice is zero. And they know their chance of facing justice is the same.


Major media in the U.S. become cheerleaders for war in Ukraine | John Wojcik | People's World

Kevin Lindemann and Cathy Campo
 


Rally on the 11th Anniversary of the Syrian Revolution 2011 (Report with Photos and Videos)

RKOB
 

Rally on the 11th Anniversary of the Syrian Revolution 2011

Report (with Photos and Videos) from a Rally in Vienna on 20 March 2022, Austrian Section of the RCIT

https://www.thecommunists.net/rcit/rally-on-11th-anniversary-of-syrian-revolution-20-3-2022/


Chris Hedges: The Lie of American Innocence

Charles Keener
 

Hedges: The Lie of American Innocence – scheerpost.com

Our hypocrisy on war crimes makes a rules-based world, one that abides by international law, impossible.

The branding of Vladimir Putin as a war criminal by Joe Biden, who lobbied for the Iraq war and staunchly supported the 20 years of carnage in the Middle East, is one more example of the hypocritical moral posturing sweeping across the United States. It is unclear how anyone would try Putin for war crimes since Russia, like the United States, does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court in The Hague. But justice is not the point. Politicians like Biden, who do not accept responsibility for our well-documented war crimes, bolster their moral credentials by demonizing their adversaries. They know the chance of Putin facing justice is zero. And they know their chance of facing justice is the same.


Putin’s mistake: Russia, Ukraine, and the national question | Roland Boer | The Guardian

Kevin Lindemann and Cathy Campo
 


Re: There is No Wisdom in Pretending that Ukraine

Dave Lindorff
 

John, I am an ardent long-time defender and advocate of LGBTQ rights, Guilt by association is a piss-poor intellectual argument, but in any case, I have no knowledge of Medea being anti LGBTQ rights.

In matters of war and peace, however, I have to say that it's important to focus on issues with a sense of priorities. For example, it is a fundamental concern that Russia and the US both have thousands of nuclear warheads and bombs, and are both run by military leaders ready to use those weapons of catastrophic power. To suggest that peace activists in the US should not be pressing the US to stop arming Ukraine with ever more lethal weapons to continue the carnage in that country, rather than pushing for a de-escalation of the fighting, a cease-fire and negotiations to end the war, because Russia treats LGBTQ people inside its borders worse than Ukraine does is misguided, to put it simply.  

I would say the same thing regarding Iran. There is an agreement that the US pulled out of between Iran and six other nations that would bar it from further refining uranium and making atomic bomb-grade U-235. After dropping out, the US put severe sanctions on Iran's economy, and Iran stepped up its uranium refining. It is critically important to press for the US to reach agreement with Iran on a return to the nuclear fuel deal, including dropping sanctions on Iran, even though Iran is, as I said, a Medieval theocracy with a democratic veneer, and even though it executes  critics and oppresses women and LGBTQ people. That's just setting priorities.  Are you suggesting that there can be no peace treaties between nations when one is a fascist dictatorship, or a repressor of LGBTQ people and the other less so, or is an apartheid state like Israel (with whom I might add the US has all kinds of treaties and arms supply arrangements?  

That I submit is ludicrous and nonsense. 

It also doesn't mean that a person advocating what I am saying here is "anti-LGBTQ people." 

There are two great issues facing humankind at the moment:  one is the threat of nuclear war, and the other is the threat of climate catastrophe. Other issues, from women's rights, LGBTQ rights, ending racism, overthrowing capitalism and creating a socialist society, etc., are decidedly second to those two when it comes to international relations because the first two if not solved, there will be no human society, and we are perilously close to disaster with both these issues. 

You're free to disagree of course, but you can't call me a racist, a sexist, anti LGBTQ, or a Stalinist for making this argument. 

Dave Lindorff


On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:48 AM John Obrien <causecollector@...> wrote:
David ,

You state that in my reply to your disagreeing with John Reiman and I stated that I agreed with John on criticizing Medea Benjamin  
I somehow described you personally as a stalinist - because I said this about those as Medea Benjain who does not care about LGBT lives,  
in what I actually wrote - and place here in shaded color: 

But hey, I hold the view that LGBT lives matter, which clearly is a "controversial view" among fossilized stalinists.

Seems your defensive in not wanting to be accused of being a stalinist.  Sounds good your not wanting to identify with Stalin
and his supporters policies and practices.   As you must be aware, many actual stalinists carry out such policies and deny being.
Glad you hold and practice different views.

While,  I express being glad that you do not identify or like stalin and his supporters politics, that you then might consider my legitimate 
criticism of those claiming to be leftists - and have no concern about LGBT workers being harmed. And that harm happens often.  Your
stating that the Iran leadership were not reactionary and then your use of the word democratic related to the Iran Regime murderers, 
was a immediate response by me.  I contend that a government can be described as reactionary, for torturing and murdering both
LGBT workers and leftists.   

The term I used to describe those who for decades spent their years serving loyally stalinist thinking - as "fossilized stalinists"  
Do you have an objection for me to use that descriptive term, for such thinking and practice?

This and a prior email were responses to my view and interpretation - as those giving cover and support that justified some 
defense of Putin for his years of crimes - and this brown-red "anti-imperisalist" position that those as the Marcyites have
peddled to justify defending many dictators and wrongs.

I apologize to you - if you oppose the Iran leadership for their torture and murder of LGBT and leftists = and I read and
did not understand what you meant by.   I will continue to criticize Medea Benjamin around homophobia. I was at the
UFPJ National Conference in St. Louis years ago,  when she voted to oppose the proposal of establishing a LGBT Outreach 
under UFPJ , as UFPJ then had such a Religious Outreach.  This was what I was referring to about those claiming to not be
bigots, but their actual practice was silence and acceptance of not wanting changes to what was occurring.   

As for the U. S. Vietnam Antiwar Movement, we disagree when you state that it was Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin
that brought (positive) media attention to represent the views of those who opposed the U.S. War on Vietnam. I was 
much involved in that movement and hold a very different view of what built that movement and had positive results.
The U. S. corporate media was promoting the U. S. government and Pentagon views and the right wing. It was rare
to have anti-war movement representatives given a fair and needed discussion of that war. It was the body count of
dead U. S. military (and that often the falsified Pentagon numbers) and ending of military cohesion among the many
drafted and the heroic resistance of Vietnamese resisting U. S. militarism - that seems to resemble the Ukranians
current resistance to Putin's militarism and invasion.  


From: marxmail@groups.io <marxmail@groups.io> on behalf of Dave Lindorff <dlindorff@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 7:23 PM
Subject:There is No Wisdom in Pretending that Ukraine
 
John there is so much baseless ad hominem and fact-free accusation in your comment I hardly know where to begin. 

First of all, you end up by calling me a Stalinist! That's akin to calling someone a Nazi!  What dark hole did you pull that out of? Not only am I not a Stalinist, I'm not even a Communist, though I admit to being a Marxist (of no party or sect or organization) and of having been attracted to Trotsky's writings at the tender age of 19. Never had any fondness for Stalin though. 

Second, you claim I called Iran a "democracy."  
That is either a deliberate lie written on the assumption that your readers won't have read what I wrote in my note and won't check to see what it really was that you are ostensibly basing that nonsense on. Actually, if you read  it, or if you had any integrity, you'd have noted that I said Iran is a "Medieval theocracy with a democratic veneer," which is a shitload different calling the country a democracy. as you misstated me as saying. You left out a lot of how I characterized the government of Iran dude. That is worse than just unethical behavior, it's misrepresentation and bald-faced lying.

As to Medea Benjamin, I had occasion to interview her for a piece i wrote about those very  liberal foundations you refer to. It was for Salon magazine and was published last year under the title: 

Maybe you did read it,  and got your partial information about the liberal donors there but forgot or didn't realize I was the author. If not, you should read it. You might learn something about those donors, and about me and my thinking about them..

In any case one of the things I learned from talking to a lot of sources in researching that piece was that Medea Benjamin and her organization are largely self-funded by again.ecause she apparently has a lot of inherited money or something like that and doesn't need those big funders' backing. Oh well, that shoots down your theory about her being an activist for the money.  Try again.

As for using her skills at getting anti-war issues into the media, there is no crime in that. In fact, the Peace Movement as I remember during the Vietnam War days suffered for a lack of skill in that regard until the likes of Abbie Hoffman and the Yippies got involved and figured out ways to get the reporters and cameras to rallies that before that used to be completely ignored or minimized, with hundreds of thousands of antiwar activists in Central Park getting misreported as 30,000 in a caption on a misleading photograph in the Times, and  with no actual accompanying story.  Being media savvy is not a valid criticism of activists. One might suspect suggest jealosy on your part, though I don't know if you're a failed organizer, or really anything about you other than that you like to cast aspersions about things you know nothing about, so it would be pure speculation on my part, so I won't.

I thought this group had standards of behavior which would have you cut off for this kind of maligning of other contributors. Maybe you will be.  I'd be satisfied with a mea culpa from you, but absent that, I'll hope for some action by the monitor of the site. 

Dave 
 

On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 9:14 PM John Obrien <causecollector@...> wrote:
John R. I agree with your points about Medea Benjamin.   She was with the Pro-Putin "anti-imperialist" folks before Putin's latest invasion "mis-step"
There was not much (or any) objection to Putin's earlier policies and harms in several nations. 
She has funding to stage events before the television screen, that she is most known for.
Political theater and gets financial support from many liberals who accept that as "activism" .
Instead of her "witnessing", perhaps those funds to build movements that is needed for and led by workers.  

But the orientation of Code Pink appears to be a lobbying group to "pressure" mostly corporate democratic party politicians "for influence"
Of course the capitalist provide the big bucks and those politicians might have some "words of concern" to keep their constituents :believing in them", while they of course actually support the capitalists interests.  All a political theater game, since militarism is supported by the corporate dems -
and the liberal dems.  

Medea Benjamin really likes the media attention.  Seems addicted to it, since she runs after the cameras and "intervenes" where media will be.
She gets financially rewarded for it, from the foundation funds she receives. Perhaps David L. never followed the money funding?
Seems a long awful record of failure, except for getting in front of the media to "witness", always in safe conditions and not imprisoned
for any length of time - to experience actual hardship.  Comfortable and privileged pretending it matters, when it is just theater and "feeling good"
to claim those comfortable liberals, as not part of the system and benefitting from.   Feels Good - Does Nothing to threaten power and wrong.
  
Her tourist travels to meet with nation's leaders, who murder LGBT people and says nothing about that, says much to me.  
But hey, I hold the view that LGBT lives matter, which clearly is a "controversial view" among fossilized stalinists. 
David L. who is aware of the torture and murder of LGBT people and leftists in Iran, states here it is a "democratic" government.
Who loses credibility with such statements - but consider the source of course!



From: Dave Lindorff <dlindorff@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 3:33 PM
Subject: There is No Wisdom in Pretending that Ukraine's Neo-Nazis Don't Exist | Medea Benjamin and Nicolas J.S. Davies | Common Dreams via Portside
 
John, 

You lose all credibility when you trash Medea Benjamin, one of the most consistent and courageous campaigners for peace in this country of lazy tube-watching consumers, by calling her a "supporter of the reactionary (sic) Iranian regime.  (Iran's government isn't reactionary;

.


Boundary of technology pushes on

hari kumar
 

As always, it is difficult to believe that 'ordinary life' goes on beyond the tragedies of unfolding events. Such as for example in the all-absorbing current day Ukraine. Technology is a wee bit like that - difficult to believe it goes on in the background.

This just an inadequate intro to this piece that was apparently in the NYT in 1920. I came across it somewhat by serendipity, but it sure made me realise - again - how little attention I had paid to the Artificial Intelligence world. It is certainly beginning to have a major impact on research in the biomedical world.

But the implications are enormous. The robot GPT-3 considers a question that I suspect many of us have grappled with, but may be less fluent in our responses to than was GPT-3: 

"One of his experiments involved a pop psychologist, Scott Barry Kaufman. The system took in Mr. Kaufman’s name and a topic for discussion: creativity. Then, when asked “How do we become more creative?” GPT-3 responded instantly:

I think creative expression is a natural byproduct of growing up in a diverse world. The more diverse the world is, the more you get exposed to different people, to different opportunities, to different places and to different challenges. And the more diverse that is, the more likely you’ll be to be able to put the dots together to form something new. And in many ways, I think if you want to be creative, you have to go for it. If you want to be a writer, you have to write, if you want to be a musician, you have to create music, if you want to be a comedian, you have to create comedy, and the more you create, the more likely it is that you’ll stumble onto some interesting stuff."

Anyway: The artilce was Nov. 24, 2020; at:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/24/science/artificial-intelligence-ai-gpt3.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

Hari Kumar


Re: Workers' state achievements: China producing billionaires faster than US

Vladimiro Giacche'
 

…along with an unprecedented GDP per capita growth (= much more faster than three times) in the last decades. 
VG

Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 21 mar 2022, alle ore 13:38, Michael Karadjis <mkaradjis@...> ha scritto:



China and the U.S. together have produced 55% of the world’s "known" billionaires, according to Hurun’s 2022 Global Rich List. 

  • China has more total billionaires: 1,133 to the U.S.' 716. And its billionaire population is growing about three times faster than America's.


Re: The real danger as far as NATO involvement in this war

Mark Lause
 

I'm increasingly agnostic about the outcome, since it's unclear what "winning" will or won't look like in this setting.  I'm also skeptical about a new Cold War, though this is the dominant narrative in the U.S. media for a range of reasons.

The longer this goes on, the more imperative it becomes for Putin to find some way out of the mess he threw himself into . . . or he will be simply overthrown, probably assassinated--which is clearly his own great fear. I have no way of knowing which might be the more likely, though the latter becomes increasingly more likely as the war drags on.   To the extent to which Putin's motive for the war has been to strengthen his hand by fostering a sense of national unity around his regime, the result has certainly had the opposite effect.

While Putin's removal might uncover something worse waiting in the wings, I don't share the expectation that it will lead to the further weakening of the prospects for socialism.

 If his regime implodes, it will just as likely embolden dissent within Russia and would tend to inspire the revival of broader movements against "corruption" in eastern Europe and beyond. 

Cheers,
Mark L.





Workers' state achievements: China producing billionaires faster than US

Michael Karadjis
 

China and the U.S. together have produced 55% of the world’s "known" billionaires, according to Hurun’s 2022 Global Rich List. 

  • China has more total billionaires: 1,133 to the U.S.' 716. And its billionaire population is growing about three times faster than America's, according to Hurun.
  • The three cities with the biggest billionaire populations are now all in China: Shenzhen just overtook New York City for third place.
  • But America's billionaires are still wealthier than China's. They control about 32% of the combined wealth of all the "known billionaires" in the world, while China's billionaires account for about 27% of that wealth.


Ukraine War: Revolutionary Socialists Speak at a Public Online Event in North & Latin America

RKOB
 

Ukraine War: Revolutionary Socialists Speak at a Public Online Event in North & Latin America

Report by a Correspondent, RCIT, 20 March 2022

https://www.thecommunists.net/rcit/ukraine-war-rcit-leaders-speak-at-a-public-online-event-19-3-2022/


Re: There is No Wisdom in Pretending that Ukraine

John Obrien
 

David ,

You state that in my reply to your disagreeing with John Reiman and I stated that I agreed with John on criticizing Medea Benjamin  
I somehow described you personally as a stalinist - because I said this about those as Medea Benjain who does not care about LGBT lives,  
in what I actually wrote - and place here in shaded color: 

But hey, I hold the view that LGBT lives matter, which clearly is a "controversial view" among fossilized stalinists.

Seems your defensive in not wanting to be accused of being a stalinist.  Sounds good your not wanting to identify with Stalin
and his supporters policies and practices.   As you must be aware, many actual stalinists carry out such policies and deny being.
Glad you hold and practice different views.

While,  I express being glad that you do not identify or like stalin and his supporters politics, that you then might consider my legitimate 
criticism of those claiming to be leftists - and have no concern about LGBT workers being harmed. And that harm happens often.  Your
stating that the Iran leadership were not reactionary and then your use of the word democratic related to the Iran Regime murderers, 
was a immediate response by me.  I contend that a government can be described as reactionary, for torturing and murdering both
LGBT workers and leftists.   

The term I used to describe those who for decades spent their years serving loyally stalinist thinking - as "fossilized stalinists"  
Do you have an objection for me to use that descriptive term, for such thinking and practice?

This and a prior email were responses to my view and interpretation - as those giving cover and support that justified some 
defense of Putin for his years of crimes - and this brown-red "anti-imperisalist" position that those as the Marcyites have
peddled to justify defending many dictators and wrongs.

I apologize to you - if you oppose the Iran leadership for their torture and murder of LGBT and leftists = and I read and
did not understand what you meant by.   I will continue to criticize Medea Benjamin around homophobia. I was at the
UFPJ National Conference in St. Louis years ago,  when she voted to oppose the proposal of establishing a LGBT Outreach 
under UFPJ , as UFPJ then had such a Religious Outreach.  This was what I was referring to about those claiming to not be
bigots, but their actual practice was silence and acceptance of not wanting changes to what was occurring.   

As for the U. S. Vietnam Antiwar Movement, we disagree when you state that it was Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin
that brought (positive) media attention to represent the views of those who opposed the U.S. War on Vietnam. I was 
much involved in that movement and hold a very different view of what built that movement and had positive results.
The U. S. corporate media was promoting the U. S. government and Pentagon views and the right wing. It was rare
to have anti-war movement representatives given a fair and needed discussion of that war. It was the body count of
dead U. S. military (and that often the falsified Pentagon numbers) and ending of military cohesion among the many
drafted and the heroic resistance of Vietnamese resisting U. S. militarism - that seems to resemble the Ukranians
current resistance to Putin's militarism and invasion.  


From: marxmail@groups.io <marxmail@groups.io> on behalf of Dave Lindorff <dlindorff@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 7:23 PM
Subject:There is No Wisdom in Pretending that Ukraine
 
John there is so much baseless ad hominem and fact-free accusation in your comment I hardly know where to begin. 

First of all, you end up by calling me a Stalinist! That's akin to calling someone a Nazi!  What dark hole did you pull that out of? Not only am I not a Stalinist, I'm not even a Communist, though I admit to being a Marxist (of no party or sect or organization) and of having been attracted to Trotsky's writings at the tender age of 19. Never had any fondness for Stalin though. 

Second, you claim I called Iran a "democracy."  
That is either a deliberate lie written on the assumption that your readers won't have read what I wrote in my note and won't check to see what it really was that you are ostensibly basing that nonsense on. Actually, if you read  it, or if you had any integrity, you'd have noted that I said Iran is a "Medieval theocracy with a democratic veneer," which is a shitload different calling the country a democracy. as you misstated me as saying. You left out a lot of how I characterized the government of Iran dude. That is worse than just unethical behavior, it's misrepresentation and bald-faced lying.

As to Medea Benjamin, I had occasion to interview her for a piece i wrote about those very  liberal foundations you refer to. It was for Salon magazine and was published last year under the title: 

Maybe you did read it,  and got your partial information about the liberal donors there but forgot or didn't realize I was the author. If not, you should read it. You might learn something about those donors, and about me and my thinking about them..

In any case one of the things I learned from talking to a lot of sources in researching that piece was that Medea Benjamin and her organization are largely self-funded by again.ecause she apparently has a lot of inherited money or something like that and doesn't need those big funders' backing. Oh well, that shoots down your theory about her being an activist for the money.  Try again.

As for using her skills at getting anti-war issues into the media, there is no crime in that. In fact, the Peace Movement as I remember during the Vietnam War days suffered for a lack of skill in that regard until the likes of Abbie Hoffman and the Yippies got involved and figured out ways to get the reporters and cameras to rallies that before that used to be completely ignored or minimized, with hundreds of thousands of antiwar activists in Central Park getting misreported as 30,000 in a caption on a misleading photograph in the Times, and  with no actual accompanying story.  Being media savvy is not a valid criticism of activists. One might suspect suggest jealosy on your part, though I don't know if you're a failed organizer, or really anything about you other than that you like to cast aspersions about things you know nothing about, so it would be pure speculation on my part, so I won't.

I thought this group had standards of behavior which would have you cut off for this kind of maligning of other contributors. Maybe you will be.  I'd be satisfied with a mea culpa from you, but absent that, I'll hope for some action by the monitor of the site. 

Dave 
 

On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 9:14 PM John Obrien <causecollector@...> wrote:
John R. I agree with your points about Medea Benjamin.   She was with the Pro-Putin "anti-imperialist" folks before Putin's latest invasion "mis-step"
There was not much (or any) objection to Putin's earlier policies and harms in several nations. 
She has funding to stage events before the television screen, that she is most known for.
Political theater and gets financial support from many liberals who accept that as "activism" .
Instead of her "witnessing", perhaps those funds to build movements that is needed for and led by workers.  

But the orientation of Code Pink appears to be a lobbying group to "pressure" mostly corporate democratic party politicians "for influence"
Of course the capitalist provide the big bucks and those politicians might have some "words of concern" to keep their constituents :believing in them", while they of course actually support the capitalists interests.  All a political theater game, since militarism is supported by the corporate dems -
and the liberal dems.  

Medea Benjamin really likes the media attention.  Seems addicted to it, since she runs after the cameras and "intervenes" where media will be.
She gets financially rewarded for it, from the foundation funds she receives. Perhaps David L. never followed the money funding?
Seems a long awful record of failure, except for getting in front of the media to "witness", always in safe conditions and not imprisoned
for any length of time - to experience actual hardship.  Comfortable and privileged pretending it matters, when it is just theater and "feeling good"
to claim those comfortable liberals, as not part of the system and benefitting from.   Feels Good - Does Nothing to threaten power and wrong.
  
Her tourist travels to meet with nation's leaders, who murder LGBT people and says nothing about that, says much to me.  
But hey, I hold the view that LGBT lives matter, which clearly is a "controversial view" among fossilized stalinists. 
David L. who is aware of the torture and murder of LGBT people and leftists in Iran, states here it is a "democratic" government.
Who loses credibility with such statements - but consider the source of course!



From: Dave Lindorff <dlindorff@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 3:33 PM
Subject: There is No Wisdom in Pretending that Ukraine's Neo-Nazis Don't Exist | Medea Benjamin and Nicolas J.S. Davies | Common Dreams via Portside
 
John, 

You lose all credibility when you trash Medea Benjamin, one of the most consistent and courageous campaigners for peace in this country of lazy tube-watching consumers, by calling her a "supporter of the reactionary (sic) Iranian regime.  (Iran's government isn't reactionary;

.


GOP Is Setting the Stage for a Possible Coup in 2024 While Dems Ignore Threat | Interview with Anthony DiMaggio | Yoav Litvin | Truthout

Kevin Lindemann and Cathy Campo
 


Is Putin a fascist? he is anti-communist

Dayne Goodwin
 

The Would-Be Czar's Dark Prophet
by Ed Simon, History News Network, March 6
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/182605

Should Vladimir Putin's barbarous war of Russian expansion move beyond the borders of Ukraine into Moldova, Finland, or even Sweden, then expect to hear the name "Aleksandr Gelyevich Dugin" far more frequently. A former philosophy professor at Moscow State University, Dugin has combined his obsessions with occultism and the neo-pagan philosophies of European fascists like Julius Evola and Alain de Benoist to derive his fervently nationalistic ideology of "Eurasianism," promulgated in books with torpid titles such as Foundations of Geopolitics and The Fourth Political Theory.
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Gestated in anti-communist right-wing activism during the waning days of the Soviet Union, indebted to a specifically anti-liberal and anti-Enlightenment philosophical embrace of authoritarianism, irrationalism, and hyper-nationalism, Dugin dreams of a reborn Orthodox Tsarist state surpassing the borders and spheres of influence as they existed before 1989, of a Novorossiya built not on socialist principles, but fascist ones...
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 ... Understood not as a conventional leader, or even as a simple autocrat, but rather as the de facto spiritual head of a fascist International, suddenly Putin's behavior crystalizes into focus. The reactionary anti-LGBTQ laws in Russia, the financial and ideological support of far-right figures such as Marine Le Pen in France, Nigel Farage in Britain, and Trump in the United States, the forced annexation of Crimea and portions of Georgia, and now the offensive in Ukraine, don't make sense if we simply understand Putin as just another Russian autocrat.
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My opening @MSNBC monologue tonight, on the Russian autocrat’s favorite fascist philosopher
“To understand what’s going on in Ukraine...inside of Russia, too, & what’s driving Putin, we need to talk about a man named Ivan Ilyin."
Mehdi Hasan show, MSNBC, March 20
https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1505701691924135937


Putin’s Anti-Bolshevik Fantasies Could Be His Downfall
by Mario Kessler, Jacobin, Feb. 26
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2022/02/putin-anti-bolshevik-tsarist-mythic-history-ukraine
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Do you want de-communization?” asked Putin, citing the demolition of Lenin monuments in Ukraine. “Well, we are very happy with it. But we must not, as they say, stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real de-communization means for Ukraine.” Lenin’s internationalism and Putin’s Great Russian chauvinism are, indeed, incompatible.

All this should show socialists in particular that the man ruling the Kremlin is their bitter enemy. This is true regardless of all the cardinal errors of the West. The Putin government bears full responsibility for the current war, taking up the imperial desires of tsarist Russia, which Joseph Stalin resumed after the break with the Bolshevik internationalism of 1917.
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Putin used to be a rock star for the CCP; now they are banning his anti-communism statements
by Abhyoday Sisodia, TFIGlobal, February 23, 2022
https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/02/23/putin-used-to-be-a-rock-star-for-the-ccp-now-they-are-banning-his-anti-communism-statements/
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CCP censored Vladimir Putin
Russian Embassy in Beijing also posted Putin’s speech in Chinese. However, it was removed by the censors due to the criticism of Lenin and preaching de-communization.
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Why far-right Republicans are praising Putin
One of the strangest strands to emerge from the invasion of Ukraine is to see America’s right support the Russian president
by Holly Baxter, Independent, March 16
https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/carlson-trump-far-right-america-putin-ukraine-b2036342.html
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...Anti-communism is an American value, but especially a Republican one: while you might hear Democrats or independents like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez talk about the benefits of socialism, no Republican would be heard dead uttering the phrase in any sentence that didn’t also include the word “evil”. Indeed, despite Democrats claiming they are the natural choice for “people of colour”, Republicans win votes again and again from Cuban and Venezuelan Americans and their descendants because of that unrelentingly anti-socialism stance.

And then Putin invaded Ukraine. Trump said on the record that he thought he was a “genius”. ...
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Trump and other hardliners, however, aren’t changing. Neither are their media cheerleaders like Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, who was the subject of a leaked Russian memo a few days ago which encouraged Russian state media to keep featuring clips of the far-right commentator.
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Re: There is No Wisdom in Pretending that Ukraine

Dave Lindorff
 

John there is so much baseless ad hominem and fact-free accusation in your comment I hardly know where to begin. 

First of all, you end up by calling me a Stalinist! That's akin to calling someone a Nazi!  What dark hole did you pull that out of? Not only am I not a Stalinist, I'm not even a Communist, though I admit to being a Marxist (of no party or sect or organization) and of having been attracted to Trotsky's writings at the tender age of 19. Never had any fondness for Stalin though. 

Second, you claim I called Iran a "democracy."  
That is either a deliberate lie written on the assumption that your readers won't have read what I wrote in my note and won't check to see what it really was that you are ostensibly basing that nonsense on. Actually, if you read  it, or if you had any integrity, you'd have noted that I said Iran is a "Medieval theocracy with a democratic veneer," which is a shitload different calling the country a democracy. as you misstated me as saying. You left out a lot of how I characterized the government of Iran dude. That is worse than just unethical behavior, it's misrepresentation and bald-faced lying.

As to Medea Benjamin, I had occasion to interview her for a piece i wrote about those very  liberal foundations you refer to. It was for Salon magazine and was published last year under the title: 

Maybe you did read it,  and got your partial information about the liberal donors there but forgot or didn't realize I was the author. If not, you should read it. You might learn something about those donors, and about me and my thinking about them..

In any case one of the things I learned from talking to a lot of sources in researching that piece was that Medea Benjamin and her organization are largely self-funded by again.ecause she apparently has a lot of inherited money or something like that and doesn't need those big funders' backing. Oh well, that shoots down your theory about her being an activist for the money.  Try again.

As for using her skills at getting anti-war issues into the media, there is no crime in that. In fact, the Peace Movement as I remember during the Vietnam War days suffered for a lack of skill in that regard until the likes of Abbie Hoffman and the Yippies got involved and figured out ways to get the reporters and cameras to rallies that before that used to be completely ignored or minimized, with hundreds of thousands of antiwar activists in Central Park getting misreported as 30,000 in a caption on a misleading photograph in the Times, and  with no actual accompanying story.  Being media savvy is not a valid criticism of activists. One might suspect suggest jealosy on your part, though I don't know if you're a failed organizer, or really anything about you other than that you like to cast aspersions about things you know nothing about, so it would be pure speculation on my part, so I won't.

I thought this group had standards of behavior which would have you cut off for this kind of maligning of other contributors. Maybe you will be.  I'd be satisfied with a mea culpa from you, but absent that, I'll hope for some action by the monitor of the site. 

Dave 
 

On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 9:14 PM John Obrien <causecollector@...> wrote:
John R. I agree with your points about Medea Benjamin.   She was with the Pro-Putin "anti-imperialist" folks before Putin's latest invasion "mis-step"
There was not much (or any) objection to Putin's earlier policies and harms in several nations. 
She has funding to stage events before the television screen, that she is most known for.
Political theater and gets financial support from many liberals who accept that as "activism" .
Instead of her "witnessing", perhaps those funds to build movements that is needed for and led by workers.  

But the orientation of Code Pink appears to be a lobbying group to "pressure" mostly corporate democratic party politicians "for influence"
Of course the capitalist provide the big bucks and those politicians might have some "words of concern" to keep their constituents :believing in them", while they of course actually support the capitalists interests.  All a political theater game, since militarism is supported by the corporate dems -
and the liberal dems.  

Medea Benjamin really likes the media attention.  Seems addicted to it, since she runs after the cameras and "intervenes" where media will be.
She gets financially rewarded for it, from the foundation funds she receives. Perhaps David L. never followed the money funding?
Seems a long awful record of failure, except for getting in front of the media to "witness", always in safe conditions and not imprisoned
for any length of time - to experience actual hardship.  Comfortable and privileged pretending it matters, when it is just theater and "feeling good"
to claim those comfortable liberals, as not part of the system and benefitting from.   Feels Good - Does Nothing to threaten power and wrong.
  
Her tourist travels to meet with nation's leaders, who murder LGBT people and says nothing about that, says much to me.  
But hey, I hold the view that LGBT lives matter, which clearly is a "controversial view" among fossilized stalinists. 
David L. who is aware of the torture and murder of LGBT people and leftists in Iran, states here it is a "democratic" government.
Who loses credibility with such statements - but consider the source of course!



From: Dave Lindorff <dlindorff@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 3:33 PM
Subject: There is No Wisdom in Pretending that Ukraine's Neo-Nazis Don't Exist | Medea Benjamin and Nicolas J.S. Davies | Common Dreams via Portside
 
John, 

You lose all credibility when you trash Medea Benjamin, one of the most consistent and courageous campaigners for peace in this country of lazy tube-watching consumers, by calling her a "supporter of the reactionary (sic) Iranian regime.  (Iran's government isn't reactionary; it is a medieval theocracy, with a democratic veneer, much as the US is a capitalist oligarchy with a democratic veneer.)

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Re: Axios - "First look: Lincoln Project sponsors pro-democracy coalition"

Alan Ginsberg
 


There is No Wisdom in Pretending that Ukraine

John Obrien
 

John R. I agree with your points about Medea Benjamin.   She was with the Pro-Putin "anti-imperialist" folks before Putin's latest invasion "mis-step"
There was not much (or any) objection to Putin's earlier policies and harms in several nations. 
She has funding to stage events before the television screen, that she is most known for.
Political theater and gets financial support from many liberals who accept that as "activism" .
Instead of her "witnessing", perhaps those funds to build movements that is needed for and led by workers.  

But the orientation of Code Pink appears to be a lobbying group to "pressure" mostly corporate democratic party politicians "for influence"
Of course the capitalist provide the big bucks and those politicians might have some "words of concern" to keep their constituents :believing in them", while they of course actually support the capitalists interests.  All a political theater game, since militarism is supported by the corporate dems -
and the liberal dems.  

Medea Benjamin really likes the media attention.  Seems addicted to it, since she runs after the cameras and "intervenes" where media will be.
She gets financially rewarded for it, from the foundation funds she receives. Perhaps David L. never followed the money funding?
Seems a long awful record of failure, except for getting in front of the media to "witness", always in safe conditions and not imprisoned
for any length of time - to experience actual hardship.  Comfortable and privileged pretending it matters, when it is just theater and "feeling good"
to claim those comfortable liberals, as not part of the system and benefitting from.   Feels Good - Does Nothing to threaten power and wrong.
  
Her tourist travels to meet with nation's leaders, who murder LGBT people and says nothing about that, says much to me.  
But hey, I hold the view that LGBT lives matter, which clearly is a "controversial view" among fossilized stalinists. 
David L. who is aware of the torture and murder of LGBT people and leftists in Iran, states here it is a "democratic" government.
Who loses credibility with such statements - but consider the source of course!



From: Dave Lindorff <dlindorff@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 3:33 PM
Subject: There is No Wisdom in Pretending that Ukraine's Neo-Nazis Don't Exist | Medea Benjamin and Nicolas J.S. Davies | Common Dreams via Portside
 
John, 

You lose all credibility when you trash Medea Benjamin, one of the most consistent and courageous campaigners for peace in this country of lazy tube-watching consumers, by calling her a "supporter of the reactionary (sic) Iranian regime.  (Iran's government isn't reactionary; it is a medieval theocracy, with a democratic veneer, much as the US is a capitalist oligarchy with a democratic veneer.)

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