Re: The Communist International, A Critical Analysis - Part IV

Dayne Goodwin

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:29 PM <gilschaeffer82@...> wrote:
...My question is why the issue should still be put that Lenin came
around to agree with Trotsky...

Hi Gil, I did not say that. I intended to simply say that Lenin and
Trotsky had similar revolutionary socialist views. I thought of
Joffe's letter to emphasize that in response to Marvin Gandall's
criticism of Trotsky and Lenin and Gandall's reformist perspective.

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:29 PM <gilschaeffer82@...> wrote:

Hi Dayne, I don't mean to be picky. All of us have come into these discussions from different starting points. My question is why the issue should still be put that Lenin came around to agree with Trotsky when Lenin believed in the concept of uninterrupted revolution before Trotsky wrote Results and Prospects. From "Social-Democracy's Attitude Towards The Peasant Movement" Lenin, CW, v. 8, p. 237, 9/14/1905: "...from the democratic revolution we shall at once, and precisely in accordance with the measure of our strength, the strength of the class-conscious and organised proletariat, begin to pass to the socialist revolution. We stand for uninterrupted revolution. We shall not stop half-way." There are other similar statements in Lenin's collected works concerning the character of a revolutionary provisional government that were published at the time containing similar formulations as early as March 1905, although the passage quoted is probably the clearest. I read Lenin's collected works in 1971-2 before I was ever aware of the controversy over Trotsky's theory of Permanent Revolution and have always been puzzled why the debate was framed as Lenin coming around to Trotsky's view. Marcel Liebman also pointed to these 1905 writings in his Leninism Under Lenin (English Translation 1975). I know that this debate became a political issue in the struggle between Trotsky and Stalin and other Bolsheviks in the 1920's, but shouldn't this politically loaded and distorted controversy be separated from the historical account of Lenin's views in 1905? Joffe's statement seems too bound up with the later factional conflicts and doesn't acknowledge Lenin's 1905 published writings.

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