CW no audio out #cw


BG6LH
 

Hi, I am very new to fldigi. maybe my question was a very old one.

I am using both SCU-LAN10, SCU-17 with my FTDX10.
SCU-17 connect from FTDX10's RS-232 and DATA jack, then go to a Raspberry Pi4.
RPI4 running WSJT-X for FT8.
All of them work very stable.

Now, I complied fldigi-4.1.23.19 on my RPI4, by reading this helpful post:
https://sourceforge.net/p/fldigi/wiki/debian_howto/
I am sure I have installed the fldigi, portaudio, pluseaudio correct.
Because I can sent RTTY, PSKUSB signal out, here it from rig's MONI audio, and watch it from ALC, PO, SWR indicator.

However, when I switched to CW mode in fldigi, and clicked the CQ macro F1, nothing was send out. there was no audio, no ALC, no PO, no SWR.  BUT, the rig's PTT was activated on, the waterfall of fidigi and the volume bar of PulesAudio Volume Control shown there was audio generated.......that's really puzzle 


Does I lost anything important? I hope you can give some suggestion.

Thanks!

BG6LH
2022/11/21


Ed W3NR
 

On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 10:17:08 -0800
"BG6LH via groups.io" <jamflying@...> wrote:

Hi, I am very new to fldigi. maybe my question was a very old one.

I am using both SCU-LAN10, SCU-17 with my FTDX10.
SCU-17 connect from FTDX10's RS-232 and DATA jack, then go to a
Raspberry Pi4. RPI4 running WSJT-X for FT8.
All of them work very stable.

Now, I complied fldigi-4.1.23.19 on my RPI4, by reading this helpful
post: https://sourceforge.net/p/fldigi/wiki/debian_howto/
I am sure I have installed the fldigi, portaudio, pluseaudio correct.
Because I can sent RTTY, PSKUSB signal out, here it from rig's MONI
audio, and watch it from ALC, PO, SWR indicator.

However, when I *switched to CW mode* in fldigi, and clicked the CQ
macro F1, nothing was send out. there was *no audio, no ALC, no PO,
no SWR*.  BUT, the rig's PTT was activated on, the waterfall of
fidigi and the volume bar of PulesAudio Volume Control shown there
was audio generated.......that's really puzzle

Does I lost anything important? I hope you can give some suggestion.

Thanks!

BG6LH
2022/11/21
See if this helps:

http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp/cw_dtr_rts_keying.html

Ed W3NR


Ed W3NR
 

On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 10:17:08 -0800
"BG6LH via groups.io" <jamflying@...> wrote:

Hi, I am very new to fldigi. maybe my question was a very old one.

I am using both SCU-LAN10, SCU-17 with my FTDX10.
SCU-17 connect from FTDX10's RS-232 and DATA jack, then go to a
Raspberry Pi4. RPI4 running WSJT-X for FT8.
All of them work very stable.

Now, I complied fldigi-4.1.23.19 on my RPI4, by reading this helpful
post: https://sourceforge.net/p/fldigi/wiki/debian_howto/
I am sure I have installed the fldigi, portaudio, pluseaudio correct.
Because I can sent RTTY, PSKUSB signal out, here it from rig's MONI
audio, and watch it from ALC, PO, SWR indicator.

However, when I *switched to CW mode* in fldigi, and clicked the CQ
macro F1, nothing was send out. there was *no audio, no ALC, no PO,
no SWR*.  BUT, the rig's PTT was activated on, the waterfall of
fidigi and the volume bar of PulesAudio Volume Control shown there
was audio generated.......that's really puzzle

Does I lost anything important? I hope you can give some suggestion.

Thanks!

BG6LH
2022/11/21
Another choice:

http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp/cw_cat_keying.html

Ed W3NR


David Ranch, KI6ZHD
 


Is your radio being put into CW mode?  If so, it's probably expecting to receive CW signals via *FSK* input from the SCU-17 instead of AFSK (audio) which is Fldigi's main mechanism to send/receive digital modes.  Fldigi does supports CW FSK via a Winkeyer interface or a NanoIO interface.  Maybe this could be supported using the new serial CW port keying mechanism ( http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp/cw_dtr_rts_keying.html ).  This assumes the FSK signal on your SCU-17 can be addressed via one of the serial port signals (DTR, etc).  If that a try.

--David
KI6ZHD


On 11/21/2022 10:17 AM, BG6LH via groups.io wrote:

Hi, I am very new to fldigi. maybe my question was a very old one.

I am using both SCU-LAN10, SCU-17 with my FTDX10.
SCU-17 connect from FTDX10's RS-232 and DATA jack, then go to a Raspberry Pi4.
RPI4 running WSJT-X for FT8.
All of them work very stable.

Now, I complied fldigi-4.1.23.19 on my RPI4, by reading this helpful post:
https://sourceforge.net/p/fldigi/wiki/debian_howto/
I am sure I have installed the fldigi, portaudio, pluseaudio correct.
Because I can sent RTTY, PSKUSB signal out, here it from rig's MONI audio, and watch it from ALC, PO, SWR indicator.

However, when I switched to CW mode in fldigi, and clicked the CQ macro F1, nothing was send out. there was no audio, no ALC, no PO, no SWR.  BUT, the rig's PTT was activated on, the waterfall of fidigi and the volume bar of PulesAudio Volume Control shown there was audio generated.......that's really puzzle 


Does I lost anything important? I hope you can give some suggestion.

Thanks!

BG6LH
2022/11/21


Cliff, AE5ZA
 

Did you leave the rig in the same mode as for PSK31? Do not put the rig into CW, just like you said, fldigi in CW, but rig in USB or what ever USB mode is use for PSK31.

73,
Cliff, AE5ZA

On Nov 21, 2022, at 12:17, BG6LH via groups.io <jamflying@...> wrote:

Hi, I am very new to fldigi. maybe my question was a very old one.

I am using both SCU-LAN10, SCU-17 with my FTDX10.
SCU-17 connect from FTDX10's RS-232 and DATA jack, then go to a Raspberry Pi4.
RPI4 running WSJT-X for FT8.
All of them work very stable.

Now, I complied fldigi-4.1.23.19 on my RPI4, by reading this helpful post:
https://sourceforge.net/p/fldigi/wiki/debian_howto/
I am sure I have installed the fldigi, portaudio, pluseaudio correct.
Because I can sent RTTY, PSKUSB signal out, here it from rig's MONI audio, and watch it from ALC, PO, SWR indicator.

However, when I switched to CW mode in fldigi, and clicked the CQ macro F1, nothing was send out. there was no audio, no ALC, no PO, no SWR.  BUT, the rig's PTT was activated on, the waterfall of fidigi and the volume bar of PulesAudio Volume Control shown there was audio generated.......that's really puzzle 


Does I lost anything important? I hope you can give some suggestion.

Thanks!

BG6LH
2022/11/21


Adrian Fewster, VK4TUX
 

With the FTDX10 like the FTDX101 you should see PC keying option in CW mode settings on radio,

Set to RTS and set FLdigi to suit here, using the standard comport (not the cat enhanced comport which is separate)

in 'USE Separate Keying Serial Port" dropdown select shown;

Set CW keyline dropdown select to RTS.

Set the radio CAT RTS option off. use the standard comport for all ptt in applications with RTS., even those with afsk.soundcard use., PSK.. etc.

No afsk /soundcard is required for CW, and you use true CW-U mode direct and have use of the decoder and other in radio CW features.


73


Adrian ... vk4tux


On 22/11/22 04:17, BG6LH via groups.io wrote:

Hi, I am very new to fldigi. maybe my question was a very old one.

I am using both SCU-LAN10, SCU-17 with my FTDX10.
SCU-17 connect from FTDX10's RS-232 and DATA jack, then go to a Raspberry Pi4.
RPI4 running WSJT-X for FT8.
All of them work very stable.

Now, I complied fldigi-4.1.23.19 on my RPI4, by reading this helpful post:
https://sourceforge.net/p/fldigi/wiki/debian_howto/
I am sure I have installed the fldigi, portaudio, pluseaudio correct.
Because I can sent RTTY, PSKUSB signal out, here it from rig's MONI audio, and watch it from ALC, PO, SWR indicator.

However, when I switched to CW mode in fldigi, and clicked the CQ macro F1, nothing was send out. there was no audio, no ALC, no PO, no SWR.  BUT, the rig's PTT was activated on, the waterfall of fidigi and the volume bar of PulesAudio Volume Control shown there was audio generated.......that's really puzzle 


Does I lost anything important? I hope you can give some suggestion.

Thanks!

BG6LH
2022/11/21


BG6LH
 

Thanks all of your helpful suggestions! 
That let me notice that, I made big miss understandings about FLDIGI.

So, I did a simply try : taking a way SCU-LAN10, SCU-17,  Just leaving a USB cable connect RPI4 to FTDX10 ONLY......CW FKS KEYING WORKS!!  :D
both RTS and DTR,  even on FLRIG, they all can do keying well! It's really a simple config only about Modem/CW/RTS-DTR Keying.....nothing about audio, hardware PTT, separate serial port, etc...

So, I turn back to the SCU-LAN10, SCU-17, connect them back to FTDX10, RS-232C....made a same config in Modem/CW/RTS-DTR Keying...However, IT NO KEYING AGAIN... :~(

I test in different ways:
* FLDIGI in CW, rig in CW, there is no signal out, only PTT is ON.
* FLDIGI in CW, rig in any DATA mods, the AFSK works well.
* FLDIGI in CW, rig in any SSB mods, FUNNY, I can get something like FSK happen, my rig TX like a FULL BK-IN, actually it's setting on SEMI....signals was sent but not in morse code...sounds like timing was chaos. When I slow down WPM about 5, I can tell they are really morse code....

I think the problem was on SCU-17 and FTDX10's settings. Here is a table, the last column is my FTDX10's final setting.
"--" means as same as DEFAULT.

Hope you can give help, I am very grateful!

OPERATION SETTING

Sub-Options

DEFAULT

YAESU's PRESET for FT8

SCU-LAN10

(on USB)

SCU-17

(on RS-232C&DATA)

GENERAL

232C Rate

4800 (bps)

 

 

38400 (bps)

 

232 TIME OUT TIMER

10ms

 

 

--

OPERATION SETTING

 

 

 

 

 

GENERAL

CAT RATE

38400 (bps)

--

--

--

 

CAT TIME OT TIMER

10ms

--

--

--

 

CAT RTS

ON

OFF

ON

OFF

 

TX TIME OUT TIMER

OFF

 

1-30(min)

--

TX GENTERAL

VOX SELECT

MIC

 

DATA

DATA

RADIO SETTING

 

 

 

 

 

MODE SSB

SSB MODE SOURCE

REAR

 

--

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

 

USB

DATA

 

RPTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

MODE AM

AM MODE SOURCE

REAR

 

--

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

 

USB

--

 

PRTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

MODE FM

FM MODE SOURCE

REAR

 

--

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

 

USB

--

 

RPTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

MOD PSK/DATA

TX BPF SEL

300-2700Hz

50-3050HZ

 

50-3050Hz

 

DATA MOD SOURCE

REAR

 

 

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

USB

 

DATA

 

RPORT GAIN

50

10

 

10

 

PRTT SELECT

DAKY

RTS

 

RTS

 

LCUT FREQ

300 (50Hz/step)

100

 

100

 

HCUT FREQ

3000 (50Hz/step)

3200

 

3200

 

AGC FAST DELAY

160 (20ms/step)

--

 

--

 

AGC MID DELAY

500 (20ms/step)

--

 

--

 

AGC SLOW DELAY

1500 (20ms/step)

--

 

--

 

LCUT SLOPE

18db/oct

--

 

--

 

HCUT SLOPE

18db/oct

--

 

--

MODE RTTY

RPTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

CW SETTING

 

 

 

 

 

MODE CW

CW FREQ DISPLAY

PITCH OFFSET

 

 

--

MODE CW

PC KEYING

OFF

 

 

RTS

 

CW AUTO MODE

OFF

 

 

--

 

CW BK-IN TYPE

SEMI

 

 

--

KEYER

KEYER TYPE

ELEKEY-B

 

 

--

[FUNC] MAIN MENU

 

 

 

 

 

 

KEYER

OFF

 

 

--

 

BK-IN

OFF

 

 

--


Dave, W1HKJ
 

You do not need the SCU-17 etc with the FTdx10.  That interface is redundant and can conflict with the transceiver internal virtual ports on the USB interface.

David

On 11/22/22 13:56, BG6LH via groups.io wrote:

Thanks all of your helpful suggestions! 
That let me notice that, I made big miss understandings about FLDIGI.

So, I did a simply try : taking a way SCU-LAN10, SCU-17,  Just leaving a USB cable connect RPI4 to FTDX10 ONLY......CW FKS KEYING WORKS!!  :D
both RTS and DTR,  even on FLRIG, they all can do keying well! It's really a simple config only about Modem/CW/RTS-DTR Keying.....nothing about audio, hardware PTT, separate serial port, etc...

So, I turn back to the SCU-LAN10, SCU-17, connect them back to FTDX10, RS-232C....made a same config in Modem/CW/RTS-DTR Keying...However, IT NO KEYING AGAIN... :~(

I test in different ways:
* FLDIGI in CW, rig in CW, there is no signal out, only PTT is ON.
* FLDIGI in CW, rig in any DATA mods, the AFSK works well.
* FLDIGI in CW, rig in any SSB mods, FUNNY, I can get something like FSK happen, my rig TX like a FULL BK-IN, actually it's setting on SEMI....signals was sent but not in morse code...sounds like timing was chaos. When I slow down WPM about 5, I can tell they are really morse code....

I think the problem was on SCU-17 and FTDX10's settings. Here is a table, the last column is my FTDX10's final setting.
Hope you can give help, I am very grateful!

OPERATION SETTING

Sub-Options

DEFAULT

YAESU's PRESET for FT8

SCU-LAN10

(on USB)

SCU-17

(on RS-232C&DATA)

GENERAL

232C Rate

4800 (bps)

 

 

38400 (bps)

 

232 TIME OUT TIMER

10ms

 

 

--

OPERATION SETTING

 

 

 

 

 

GENERAL

CAT RATE

38400 (bps)

--

--

--

 

CAT TIME OT TIMER

10ms

--

--

--

 

CAT RTS

ON

OFF

ON

OFF

 

TX TIME OUT TIMER

OFF

 

1-30(min)

--

TX GENTERAL

VOX SELECT

MIC

 

DATA

DATA

RADIO SETTING

 

 

 

 

 

MODE SSB

SSB MODE SOURCE

REAR

 

--

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

 

USB

DATA

 

RPTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

MODE AM

AM MODE SOURCE

REAR

 

--

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

 

USB

--

 

PRTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

MODE FM

FM MODE SOURCE

REAR

 

--

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

 

USB

--

 

RPTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

MOD PSK/DATA

TX BPF SEL

300-2700Hz

50-3050HZ

 

50-3050Hz

 

DATA MOD SOURCE

REAR

 

 

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

USB

 

DATA

 

RPORT GAIN

50

10

 

10

 

PRTT SELECT

DAKY

RTS

 

RTS

 

LCUT FREQ

300 (50Hz/step)

100

 

100

 

HCUT FREQ

3000 (50Hz/step)

3200

 

3200

 

AGC FAST DELAY

160 (20ms/step)

--

 

--

 

AGC MID DELAY

500 (20ms/step)

--

 

--

 

AGC SLOW DELAY

1500 (20ms/step)

--

 

--

 

LCUT SLOPE

18db/oct

--

 

--

 

HCUT SLOPE

18db/oct

--

 

--

MODE RTTY

RPTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

CW SETTING

 

 

 

 

 

MODE CW

CW FREQ DISPLAY

PITCH OFFSET

 

 

--

MODE CW

PC KEYING

OFF

 

 

RTS

 

CW AUTO MODE

OFF

 

 

--

 

CW BK-IN TYPE

SEMI

 

 

--

KEYER

KEYER TYPE

ELEKEY-B

 

 

--

[FUNC] MAIN MENU

 

 

 

 

 

 

KEYER

OFF

 

 

--

 

BK-IN

OFF

 

 

--



Adrian Fewster, VK4TUX
 

The scu-lan10 should be connecting to your radio using the usb line, which makes it unavailable for PC programs.

You connect the rs-232 to your PC for programs like FLdigi to use for CAT and rts use etc.

An audio interface is needed as the scu-lan10 takes over the radio usb codec. however just use a simple audio interface like xxgcomms etc via rtty/data jack,

or just connect to your Pi sound system, so that You have the rs-232 available for CAT with FLdigi etc, Wasting a port on the scu-17 is unnecessary.

FLdigi afsk will use DAKY for ptt with the rtty/data xxgcomms type audio/ptt interface.


73


Adrian ... vk4tux

On 23/11/22 06:06, BG6LH via groups.io wrote:

Thanks all of your helpful suggestions! 
That let me notice that, I made big miss understandings about FLDIGI.

So, I did a simply try : taking a way SCU-LAN10, SCU-17,  Just leaving a USB cable connect RPI4 to FTDX10 ONLY......CW FKS KEYING WORKS!!  :D
both RTS and DTR,  even on FLRIG, they all can do keying well! It's really a simple config only about Modem/CW/RTS-DTR Keying.....nothing about audio, hardware PTT, separate serial port, etc...

So, I turn back to the SCU-LAN10, SCU-17, connect them back to FTDX10, RS-232C....made a same config in Modem/CW/RTS-DTR Keying...However, IT NO KEYING AGAIN... :~(

I test in different ways:
* FLDIGI in CW, rig in CW, there is no signal out, only PTT is ON.
* FLDIGI in CW, rig in any DATA mods, the AFSK works well.
* FLDIGI in CW, rig in any SSB mods, FUNNY, I can get something like FSK happen, my rig TX like a FULL BK-IN, actually it's setting on SEMI....signals was sent but not in morse code...sounds like timing was chaos. When I slow down WPM about 5, I can tell they are really morse code....

I think the problem was on SCU-17 and FTDX10's settings. Here is a table, the last column is my FTDX10's final setting.
"--" means as same as DEFAULT.

Hope you can give help, I am very grateful!

OPERATION SETTING

Sub-Options

DEFAULT

YAESU's PRESET for FT8

SCU-LAN10

(on USB)

SCU-17

(on RS-232C&DATA)

GENERAL

232C Rate

4800 (bps)

 

 

38400 (bps)

 

232 TIME OUT TIMER

10ms

 

 

--

OPERATION SETTING

 

 

 

 

 

GENERAL

CAT RATE

38400 (bps)

--

--

--

 

CAT TIME OT TIMER

10ms

--

--

--

 

CAT RTS

ON

OFF

ON

OFF

 

TX TIME OUT TIMER

OFF

 

1-30(min)

--

TX GENTERAL

VOX SELECT

MIC

 

DATA

DATA

RADIO SETTING

 

 

 

 

 

MODE SSB

SSB MODE SOURCE

REAR

 

--

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

 

USB

DATA

 

RPTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

MODE AM

AM MODE SOURCE

REAR

 

--

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

 

USB

--

 

PRTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

MODE FM

FM MODE SOURCE

REAR

 

--

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

 

USB

--

 

RPTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

MOD PSK/DATA

TX BPF SEL

300-2700Hz

50-3050HZ

 

50-3050Hz

 

DATA MOD SOURCE

REAR

 

 

--

 

REAR SELECT

DATA

USB

 

DATA

 

RPORT GAIN

50

10

 

10

 

PRTT SELECT

DAKY

RTS

 

RTS

 

LCUT FREQ

300 (50Hz/step)

100

 

100

 

HCUT FREQ

3000 (50Hz/step)

3200

 

3200

 

AGC FAST DELAY

160 (20ms/step)

--

 

--

 

AGC MID DELAY

500 (20ms/step)

--

 

--

 

AGC SLOW DELAY

1500 (20ms/step)

--

 

--

 

LCUT SLOPE

18db/oct

--

 

--

 

HCUT SLOPE

18db/oct

--

 

--

MODE RTTY

RPTT SELECT

DAKY

 

 

--

CW SETTING

 

 

 

 

 

MODE CW

CW FREQ DISPLAY

PITCH OFFSET

 

 

--

MODE CW

PC KEYING

OFF

 

 

RTS

 

CW AUTO MODE

OFF

 

 

--

 

CW BK-IN TYPE

SEMI

 

 

--

KEYER

KEYER TYPE

ELEKEY-B

 

 

--

[FUNC] MAIN MENU

 

 

 

 

 

 

KEYER

OFF

 

 

--

 

BK-IN

OFF

 

 

--


BG6LH
 

Thanks, Dave!

I also noticed SCU-17's virtual ports may conflict to FTDX10's virtual ports too.
When FTDX10's PC KEYING was set to RTS/DTR, it will set to his main USB jack on rear.
So, by reading the manual, I make a little trying to set its PC KEYING to DAKY. then FLDIGI RTS FSK WORKS~~! :D
But only on RTS, not on DTR, whatever, it works!!


BG6LH
 

Yes, Adrian!

As you're saying, SCU-LAN10 occupied the only USB port for YAESU itself. We have to use RS-232 and DATA jacks to do everything.

So I tried many ways to test how can they work.

Thanks for all of the help in this topics~~Now my FTDX10 can be REAL Remote Control and QSO in SSB/FT8/FSK Keying.
Let me share my final setting here. compare to rig's default, yaesu's PRESET for FT8, and SCU-LAN10 required, the SCU-17 is my final setting.
"--" mean as same as default.