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Sequence Bounce Request
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Devan
Hello,
I bought an fd in 1992, my first synth, and had it until 2005 when it became damaged. I still have a bunch of discs with sequences I made through the years. The programs and combinations on each disc need to be loaded as well as sequences as I made quite a few sounds. I was wondering if someone would help me get lossless files of the sequences. There are a few korg sound cards included which you could have though one didn't work. It would prob be several hours of work. I'd send the discs to you. Hey. Might as well ask. Thanks. |
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Antonio
First thing first: you don't need to send the disks; you can create an image of each disk (it's a 720 KB file and zipped it's much less) and you can then send that by email or something similar.
I could probably do it (and I do have all the PCM cards) but it would have to be done in spare time. |
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JohnM
Hello Devan I have had an FD since it first came out. I hadn't used it for such a long time and had collected and purchased load of sounds/progs on floppy from the internet. I revisited it about a year ago and swapped out the floppy for an emulator and converted my floppys. I haven't had the opportunity to fire it up so much recently but it all works good. I'm not a musician as such but love electronic music and love to dabble with keyboards, software and the like. I would love to try and help you. I can offer to convert your disks and load the progs/combis/seqs into my O1W and record the sequences digitally for you. Please bear in mind I'm no expert but I am technically minded so it should all work out OK. I'd love to have the sounds cards, that would be great. I have some other projects on the go so I would hopefully fit your request in as and when I can. If you want to proceed, please let me know and we can exchange more details. I'm in Scotland. Regards, JohnM
On Thursday, 18 March 2021, 03:25:15 GMT, Devan <devanphenix@...> wrote:
Hello, I bought an fd in 1992, my first synth, and had it until 2005 when it became damaged. I still have a bunch of discs with sequences I made through the years. The programs and combinations on each disc need to be loaded as well as sequences as I made quite a few sounds. I was wondering if someone would help me get lossless files of the sequences. There are a few korg sound cards included which you could have though one didn't work. It would prob be several hours of work. I'd send the discs to you. Hey. Might as well ask. Thanks. |
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Antonio
First thing first: you don't need to send the disks; you can create an image of each disk (it's a 720 KB file and zipped it's much less) and you can then send that by email or something similar.
I could probably do it (and I do have all the PCM cards) but it would have to be done in spare time. |
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Devan
Hi John, I'm in the US, but just found out I can image the discs in a computer drive and just send files to someone. I'm working on finding a computer with a 3.5" disc drive. Another group member has offered to then load discs on their end and record the songs. Thanks for the offer though, I appreciate it. Have fun with the fd. It is a great board for making new sounds. Devan
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o2william
How do you image the floppies? I have a stack of old ones I'd like to back up. I've tried using DiskImage but it keeps reporting errors (I think because I used HD floppies and it is only meant to be used with single-density). Thanks, William
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Chris
Hi everyone,
You'll have to excuse me for my English... If it helps you, I wrote a program years ago that extracts the data as SYS-EX (and RAW Data) from a Korg Disk Image file. I still have to see if I can compile it with the current compiler. The program can't do everything but I could extend it with your help. My 01W is not running anymore, so unfortunately I can't test it. Currently the program can read Combi and Prog. To recognize SEQ and Global as SYS-EX, someone with a 01W FD content had to transfer an Image Disk to Keyboard and with a program save the single areas (PROG, GLOBAL, COMBI, SEQ) as SYS-EX on a PC. Then email me (disk image and the SYS-EX) and I'll see what else I can recognize with my software. Should not be difficult. Does anyone want to help or test the current version already? Best regards Chris |
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Devan
Hello, I have not tried it yet but Antonio told me about this program... I'm trying to track down a computer with a 3.5" drive or might get a usb one but not sure if that will still work? Not sure about disc compatibility. It's been a long time since I've messed with those discs. Devan On Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 9:19 AM o2william <o2william@...> wrote:
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Devan
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On Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 9:19 AM <krzysztof.cylkowski@...> wrote: Hi everyone, |
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o2william
That's the program I tried yesterday. It does work with a USB floppy, but on my Windows 10 PC I had to run it under the DosBox emulator. The program saved a 720kb RAW file, although it spit out generic error messages while doing so. So I'm not sure if the RAW file is useable or what I can even do with it if so. I wonder if it can be converted to MIDI format. -William Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Devan <devanphenix@...> Date: 3/19/21 11:16 AM (GMT-08:00) To: korg01w-list@groups.io Subject: Re: [korg01w-list] Sequence Bounce Request Hello, I have not tried it yet but Antonio told me about this program... I'm trying to track down a computer with a 3.5" drive or might get a usb one but not sure if that will still work? Not sure about disc compatibility. It's been a long time since I've messed with those discs. Devan On Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 9:19 AM o2william <o2william@...> wrote:
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Devan
I'm not sure. We don't know it worked until you can load a blank disc with the 720 of data, load it and see if the korg can read it correctly, I think. Antonio also mentioned a program called winimage... On Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 12:33 PM o2william <o2william@...> wrote:
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Antonio
Hi Krzysztof,
Let's keep issues separate. Your Disk -> SysEx conversion program sounds simply great. Don't you wish to start a new thread about it? I would certainly be interested in making it work with modern computers. I'm not much into C, but I can find my way around it. Let's keep talking about it. |
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Antonio
Hi William,
Do you mean DOSBox or a DOS/command line proimpt? Those would be very different things. What kinds of errors does it produce? I did use HD disks as 720 KB back in the day (and the reverse years before!), and to my surprise I've never had a problem anywhere. Even if there are reading errors, they may not always be an issue, a large part of a Korg 01/W disk is empty space. With some luck, the errors you get may be in one of those places. A few weeks ago I started writing a program to understand the data in 01W disks, but I've only done the easy part - listing the names of programs, combis, and songs. That's maybe 0.1% of the effort invovled, unless Krzysztof's program can come to the rescue. At any rate, all my program could do was to tell whether the names are OK; for progs/combis that may be enough, as the name and the rest of the prog/combi are surely in the same sector, but for sequences certainly not. |
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Antonio
Re what can be done with a 01W file.... you can load it into a 01/W and that's pretty much it. Then you may be able to get MIDI from the 01/W, but bear in mind that it doesn't have much resemblance to what is called 'General MIDI'. Especially the percussion will be almost surely unusable, unless you have the heart to do extensive remapping. Creating disk images is great as a backup, as versioning, and as a medium for whoever now uses a Gotek floppy replacement. |
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o2william
I had to use DOSBox (the DOS emulator). If I run DiskImage from a command prompt it tells me it's incompatible with my 64-bit operating system. DiskImage doesn't provide useful error messages, just something along the lines of "an error occurred." It could be that it failed to read the double density sectors, but that may not matter. I'll have to test it. I need to swap the battery in my 01w before I can try loading the backup. -William Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: antonioprm@... Date: 3/19/21 1:13 PM (GMT-08:00) To: korg01w-list@groups.io Subject: Re: [korg01w-list] Sequence Bounce Request Do you mean DOSBox or a DOS/command line proimpt? Those would be very different things. What kinds of errors does it produce? I did use HD disks as 720 KB back in the day (and the reverse years before!), and to my surprise I've never had a problem anywhere. Even if there are reading errors, they may not always be an issue, a large part of a Korg 01/W disk is empty space. With some luck, the errors you get may be in one of those places. A few weeks ago I started writing a program to understand the data in 01W disks, but I've only done the easy part - listing the names of programs, combis, and songs. That's maybe 0.1% of the effort invovled, unless Krzysztof's program can come to the rescue. At any rate, all my program could do was to tell whether the names are OK; for progs/combis that may be enough, as the name and the rest of the prog/combi are surely in the same sector, but for sequences certainly not. |
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etgalaj@...
Just FYI:
I tried to read diskettes crated on my 01WproX in the USB floppy drive connected to the PC, under Windows 10. No go… The format of diskettes now is different than of the ones created on the synthesizer. Supposedly, you need old PC with built in floppy drive and running Windows 98 or older.
I am in process of installing USB floppy emulator to put it in place of the floppy drive and wanted to retrieve information from old floppies. And then copy them onto virtual diskettes in the emulator’s USB stick. I did a lot of reading and now I’m 100% sure that you can only get it on PC with Windows 98 and older. Don’t know about Mac though…
Tom
From: korg01w-list@groups.io <korg01w-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Devan
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 2:16 PM To: korg01w-list@groups.io Subject: Re: [korg01w-list] Sequence Bounce Request
Hello,
I have not tried it yet but Antonio told me about this program...
I'm trying to track down a computer with a 3.5" drive or might get a usb one but not sure if that will still work?
Not sure about disc compatibility. It's been a long time since I've messed with those discs.
Devan
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 9:19 AM o2william <o2william@...> wrote:
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Antonio
The way data is stored in a native 01W floppy has nothing to do with the filesystems used in Windows or Mac or anywhere else. In that regard, none of those systems is able to 'open' a floppy and show what's in it. But what we're talking here is different: it refers to reading just the bytes on the disk into a 720 KB binary file, i.e. 'image'. For that, the system doesn't have to know anything about what the bytes mean. It does however need to be able to access them, and that's where I don't know if a USB floppy can deliver - though it may, because the low-level way the bytes are stored are the same as on an MSDOS floppy, it's just that the bytes themselves make no sense to anyone except a 01/W.
In short, what operating system you run makes little difference. The utility 'dd' on unix systems will do, as will Diskimag at least up to Windows XP (I haven't tried it elsewhere). What may be difficult is finding a modern computer with a classical floppy drive, because most modern motherboards don't even have support for their data cable. For reading an Amiga or Atari ST floppy, then I'm almost certain a USB floppy won't do, because those computers often relied on creative ways of storing the bytes themselves. But I don't think the 01/W used any weird trick, so ia USB drive (which only provides the vanilla way of reading/writing bytes) may work. But then again I have no experience with any of those. What I can almost assure is that if the drive is of the classical type, with a 34 pin data cable, then any system that runs on the computer can be used to read/write floppy images. |
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Antonio
According to https://dmares.net/maresware/html/ntimage.htm (a program I've never used and non-techs should probably not use unless they do something they shouldn't to their hard disk), Diskimag is 16-bit. That would mean it won't run on 64-bit Windows.
I presume you can use http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite on any Windows. JUST BE SURE TO USE THE READ TAB, not the write one. I've only used this many years ago to write a linux boot floppy, but that makes me think it does what's needed, and it has a GUI. And it's free, which Winimage is not (nothing against that, of course). |
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Devan
Thanks everyone for helping to figure this out. I'm near Sacramento. On Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 8:29 PM <antonioprm@...> wrote:
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Chris
Hello everyone (excuse me for my English),
I think it's the drive and not the interface. The drive most likely needs to read RAW sectors and not all USB devices can do that. The software had to be recompiled, just with new compiler. Mike W are you still registered here? |
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