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Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

JM Casey
 

Hi David.

 

Yes, I do use tab and shift-tab a lot in th is programme. It’s far from my favourite way to go about things, but it *mostly* works. Sometimes, though, pressing the various buttons seems to give no feedback at all. For example, yesterday I did a scan and found several items to be quarantined. I wanted to export the report to a file so I could read it more thoroughly, but the expected dialogue box simply did not appear, or, more probably, simply wasn’t read. When I did quarantine the items, I was presented with a dialogue with “yes” and “no” options, but nothing I was able to do showed me what else was in the dialogue, IE “click yes to restart your pC now” / “malwarebytes has made changes that require a restart”. I had to guess that that’s what it was, since, you know, it’s the logical next step after making the changes to the registry. But it was a frustrating moment, not being able to read that text, either by using insert-b, the jaws or touch cursor, etc.

 

Still, I wouldn’t give up this programme; malwarebytes is totally invaluable.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: August 17, 2019 11:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

When using MalwareBytes the tab and shift-tab keys are your friends. Navigating with tab moves from one item to the next. Normally, the tab key is used to move to what we call actionable items, meaning that you move to things that you can interact with, such as a button, edit field, combo box, etc. MalwareBytes does this but it also uses the tab and shift-tab keys to move to text which is informational only. On a Web site this is something that I would normally flag as a violation because it could prove to be frustrating for keyboard-only users, even those users who aren't using screen readers. However, with MalwareBytes it seems to work and pressing tab or shift-tab is the secret to successfully navigate the program. As an example, while you are performing a scan the tab key moves to items, such as the number of items which have been scanned, the number of threats which were detected, etc.

The tab which is currently selected no longer identifies its state, an issue which I reported to them a while back. As an example, if the Scan tab has been selected you should, ideally, hear JAWS say "scan tab, selected" but the word "selected" is not announced.

 

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified: 2019 WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 8/16/2019 3:15 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I recommend persevering with malwarebytes despite a somewhat annoying interface. It’s certainly usable, if not the most accessible thing out there. The thing is, it is a really good programme and the people behind it really know their stuff. It has saved my butt on at least three or four occasions, or at least helped me deal with obnoxious unwanted crap on my system.

Only thing is, like many programmes of its type, you should always make sure you understand a little of what you are getting rid of, when it flags stuff. Sometimes it will flag something like a change you made to the registry (either manually or through some other programme) that you actually want to keep/is actually wanted. You have to understand what kind of stuff MB flags and why. For instance, I replaced my task manager with Process Explorer some time back. Malwarebytes thinks this is a potential hack and so offers to remove the registry change.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of joanne
Sent: August 16, 2019 1:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

What about for windows 7? Malware Bites doesn't seem real accessible but I do need a good spyware program.

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Are there any free antivirus programs out there that work reasonably well with Jaws?  Thanks a lot for the info.

Stanley


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David Goldfield
 

Hi.

When you receive a prompt and all you hear are the corresponding buttons does virtualizing the current window with insert-alt-W help with reading the other text?


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified: 2019 WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 8/17/2019 3:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hi David.

 

Yes, I do use tab and shift-tab a lot in th is programme. It’s far from my favourite way to go about things, but it *mostly* works. Sometimes, though, pressing the various buttons seems to give no feedback at all. For example, yesterday I did a scan and found several items to be quarantined. I wanted to export the report to a file so I could read it more thoroughly, but the expected dialogue box simply did not appear, or, more probably, simply wasn’t read. When I did quarantine the items, I was presented with a dialogue with “yes” and “no” options, but nothing I was able to do showed me what else was in the dialogue, IE “click yes to restart your pC now” / “malwarebytes has made changes that require a restart”. I had to guess that that’s what it was, since, you know, it’s the logical next step after making the changes to the registry. But it was a frustrating moment, not being able to read that text, either by using insert-b, the jaws or touch cursor, etc.

 

Still, I wouldn’t give up this programme; malwarebytes is totally invaluable.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: August 17, 2019 11:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

When using MalwareBytes the tab and shift-tab keys are your friends. Navigating with tab moves from one item to the next. Normally, the tab key is used to move to what we call actionable items, meaning that you move to things that you can interact with, such as a button, edit field, combo box, etc. MalwareBytes does this but it also uses the tab and shift-tab keys to move to text which is informational only. On a Web site this is something that I would normally flag as a violation because it could prove to be frustrating for keyboard-only users, even those users who aren't using screen readers. However, with MalwareBytes it seems to work and pressing tab or shift-tab is the secret to successfully navigate the program. As an example, while you are performing a scan the tab key moves to items, such as the number of items which have been scanned, the number of threats which were detected, etc.

The tab which is currently selected no longer identifies its state, an issue which I reported to them a while back. As an example, if the Scan tab has been selected you should, ideally, hear JAWS say "scan tab, selected" but the word "selected" is not announced.

 

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified: 2019 WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 8/16/2019 3:15 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I recommend persevering with malwarebytes despite a somewhat annoying interface. It’s certainly usable, if not the most accessible thing out there. The thing is, it is a really good programme and the people behind it really know their stuff. It has saved my butt on at least three or four occasions, or at least helped me deal with obnoxious unwanted crap on my system.

Only thing is, like many programmes of its type, you should always make sure you understand a little of what you are getting rid of, when it flags stuff. Sometimes it will flag something like a change you made to the registry (either manually or through some other programme) that you actually want to keep/is actually wanted. You have to understand what kind of stuff MB flags and why. For instance, I replaced my task manager with Process Explorer some time back. Malwarebytes thinks this is a potential hack and so offers to remove the registry change.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of joanne
Sent: August 16, 2019 1:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

What about for windows 7? Malware Bites doesn't seem real accessible but I do need a good spyware program.

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Are there any free antivirus programs out there that work reasonably well with Jaws?  Thanks a lot for the info.

Stanley


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JM Casey
 

Hey.

 

I did not think of that, but it’s a good idea.  This might be something I should invoke more often. It is pretty useful.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: August 17, 2019 8:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Hi.

When you receive a prompt and all you hear are the corresponding buttons does virtualizing the current window with insert-alt-W help with reading the other text?

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified: 2019 WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 8/17/2019 3:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hi David.

 

Yes, I do use tab and shift-tab a lot in th is programme. It’s far from my favourite way to go about things, but it *mostly* works. Sometimes, though, pressing the various buttons seems to give no feedback at all. For example, yesterday I did a scan and found several items to be quarantined. I wanted to export the report to a file so I could read it more thoroughly, but the expected dialogue box simply did not appear, or, more probably, simply wasn’t read. When I did quarantine the items, I was presented with a dialogue with “yes” and “no” options, but nothing I was able to do showed me what else was in the dialogue, IE “click yes to restart your pC now” / “malwarebytes has made changes that require a restart”. I had to guess that that’s what it was, since, you know, it’s the logical next step after making the changes to the registry. But it was a frustrating moment, not being able to read that text, either by using insert-b, the jaws or touch cursor, etc.

 

Still, I wouldn’t give up this programme; malwarebytes is totally invaluable.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: August 17, 2019 11:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

When using MalwareBytes the tab and shift-tab keys are your friends. Navigating with tab moves from one item to the next. Normally, the tab key is used to move to what we call actionable items, meaning that you move to things that you can interact with, such as a button, edit field, combo box, etc. MalwareBytes does this but it also uses the tab and shift-tab keys to move to text which is informational only. On a Web site this is something that I would normally flag as a violation because it could prove to be frustrating for keyboard-only users, even those users who aren't using screen readers. However, with MalwareBytes it seems to work and pressing tab or shift-tab is the secret to successfully navigate the program. As an example, while you are performing a scan the tab key moves to items, such as the number of items which have been scanned, the number of threats which were detected, etc.

The tab which is currently selected no longer identifies its state, an issue which I reported to them a while back. As an example, if the Scan tab has been selected you should, ideally, hear JAWS say "scan tab, selected" but the word "selected" is not announced.

 

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified: 2019 WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 8/16/2019 3:15 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I recommend persevering with malwarebytes despite a somewhat annoying interface. It’s certainly usable, if not the most accessible thing out there. The thing is, it is a really good programme and the people behind it really know their stuff. It has saved my butt on at least three or four occasions, or at least helped me deal with obnoxious unwanted crap on my system.

Only thing is, like many programmes of its type, you should always make sure you understand a little of what you are getting rid of, when it flags stuff. Sometimes it will flag something like a change you made to the registry (either manually or through some other programme) that you actually want to keep/is actually wanted. You have to understand what kind of stuff MB flags and why. For instance, I replaced my task manager with Process Explorer some time back. Malwarebytes thinks this is a potential hack and so offers to remove the registry change.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of joanne
Sent: August 16, 2019 1:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

What about for windows 7? Malware Bites doesn't seem real accessible but I do need a good spyware program.

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Are there any free antivirus programs out there that work reasonably well with Jaws?  Thanks a lot for the info.

Stanley


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Mr. Ed
 

Hi Mike,

I went to the location but it says something about my hardware not supporting extra security and so on.

I do not have this in step for. , Core isolation details link.

So I assume this computer cannot run it.

Thanks for  the info.

Mr. Ed

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 10:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Hi Mr. Ed,

 

Try the following:

1. Press Windows key + I, for settings, tab 1 time to, System and findUpdate and Security, press enter.

2. Tab 1 time into your listand down arrow to, Windows Security, and press enter.

3. Tab to, Device Security button, press enter, and you'll land on, Core isolation details link, press enter.

4. You should now have, not checked Memory integrity button, press the spacebar and your computer will let you know if this can be started or not.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mr. Ed

Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Hi,

I might have miss this but how do you make sure this is turned on?

Mr. Ed

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 5:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Memory integrity protection uses virtualization hardware in the CPU to protect code in the operating system kernel from malicious modification. That, at least, is what I understand from the documentation.

 

It’s part of Microsoft’s strategy to make life much more difficult for malware authors, and therefore safer for users.

 

From: <jaws-users-list@groups.io> on behalf of Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...>
Organization: Home
Reply-To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Date: Friday, August 16, 2019 at 09:47
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Mr. Ed
 

Hi Mike,

My other computer has this setting and it was not checked. So now I am wondering what someone else said on this list about if you have 1809 it should be turned on by default. Well I am running 1903 and it was not turned on, on one of my computers.

I turned it on but it would not stay on so I believe my hardware is not compatible.

Mr. Ed

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 10:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Hi Mr. Ed,

 

Try the following:

1. Press Windows key + I, for settings, tab 1 time to, System and findUpdate and Security, press enter.

2. Tab 1 time into your listand down arrow to, Windows Security, and press enter.

3. Tab to, Device Security button, press enter, and you'll land on, Core isolation details link, press enter.

4. You should now have, not checked Memory integrity button, press the spacebar and your computer will let you know if this can be started or not.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mr. Ed

Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Hi,

I might have miss this but how do you make sure this is turned on?

Mr. Ed

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 5:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Memory integrity protection uses virtualization hardware in the CPU to protect code in the operating system kernel from malicious modification. That, at least, is what I understand from the documentation.

 

It’s part of Microsoft’s strategy to make life much more difficult for malware authors, and therefore safer for users.

 

From: <jaws-users-list@groups.io> on behalf of Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...>
Organization: Home
Reply-To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Date: Friday, August 16, 2019 at 09:47
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Mr. Ed,
 
Same results as yourself on both my desktop and my wife's laptop.  I thought that my better halfs laptop would be compatible for sure since it's only a few months old, but oh well.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

Hi Mike,

My other computer has this setting and it was not checked. So now I am wondering what someone else said on this list about if you have 1809 it should be turned on by default. Well I am running 1903 and it was not turned on, on one of my computers.

I turned it on but it would not stay on so I believe my hardware is not compatible.

Mr. Ed

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 10:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Hi Mr. Ed,

 

Try the following:

1. Press Windows key + I, for settings, tab 1 time to, System and findUpdate and Security, press enter.

2. Tab 1 time into your listand down arrow to, Windows Security, and press enter.

3. Tab to, Device Security button, press enter, and you'll land on, Core isolation details link, press enter.

4. You should now have, not checked Memory integrity button, press the spacebar and your computer will let you know if this can be started or not.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mr. Ed

Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Hi,

I might have miss this but how do you make sure this is turned on?

Mr. Ed

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 5:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Memory integrity protection uses virtualization hardware in the CPU to protect code in the operating system kernel from malicious modification. That, at least, is what I understand from the documentation.

 

It’s part of Microsoft’s strategy to make life much more difficult for malware authors, and therefore safer for users.

 

From: <jaws-users-list@groups.io> on behalf of Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...>
Organization: Home
Reply-To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Date: Friday, August 16, 2019 at 09:47
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

JM Casey
 

It’s only supposed to turn on if your hardware (and drivers and such) are comaptible with it. So if you have a newer version of Windows 10 and can’t seem to get it to turn on, I’d just leave it.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: August 18, 2019 3:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Hi Mike,

My other computer has this setting and it was not checked. So now I am wondering what someone else said on this list about if you have 1809 it should be turned on by default. Well I am running 1903 and it was not turned on, on one of my computers.

I turned it on but it would not stay on so I believe my hardware is not compatible.

Mr. Ed

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 10:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Hi Mr. Ed,

 

Try the following:

1. Press Windows key + I, for settings, tab 1 time to, System and findUpdate and Security, press enter.

2. Tab 1 time into your listand down arrow to, Windows Security, and press enter.

3. Tab to, Device Security button, press enter, and you'll land on, Core isolation details link, press enter.

4. You should now have, not checked Memory integrity button, press the spacebar and your computer will let you know if this can be started or not.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Mr. Ed

Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Hi,

I might have miss this but how do you make sure this is turned on?

Mr. Ed

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 5:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Memory integrity protection uses virtualization hardware in the CPU to protect code in the operating system kernel from malicious modification. That, at least, is what I understand from the documentation.

 

It’s part of Microsoft’s strategy to make life much more difficult for malware authors, and therefore safer for users.

 

From: <jaws-users-list@groups.io> on behalf of Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...>
Organization: Home
Reply-To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Date: Friday, August 16, 2019 at 09:47
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.