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Big long updates

Cheryl Traub
 

Hi guys. Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately? I just
had one. Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install. Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times. These updates are a
real pain. Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid. It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster. What do you do when you get updates? How do you know
when you get them?

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Cheryl,
 
When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and Jaws wasn't responding?  Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't start?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi guys.  Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately?  I just
had one.  Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install.  Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times.  These updates are a
real pain.  Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid.  It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster.  What do you do when you get updates?  How do you know
when you get them?



Cheryl Traub
 

Hi Mike. I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on. Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked. This was a month ago. Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed. Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding? Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys. Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately? I just
had one. Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install. Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times. These updates are a
real pain. Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid. It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster. What do you do when you get updates? How do you know
when you get them?

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Cheryl,
 
If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.  If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with it.  If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state.  Narrator will be able to give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike.  I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on.  Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked.  This was a month ago.  Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed.  Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,
 
When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding?  Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys.  Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately?  I just
had one.  Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install.  Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times.  These updates are a
real pain.  Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid.  It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster.  What do you do when you get updates?  How do you know
when you get them?








Cheryl Traub
 

Hi Mike. I tried to run Narrator, but it didn't run. Nothing worked or I
couldn't see the screen. Oh well, maybe next time I'll ask someone to pop
in and read the screen. I don't know why I couldn't get Narrator to come
up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's
a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the
background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to
happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.
If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with
it. If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows
state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state. Narrator will be able to
give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time
to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message
telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on. Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked. This was a month ago. Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed. Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding? Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys. Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately? I just
had one. Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install. Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times. These updates are a
real pain. Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid. It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster. What do you do when you get updates? How do you know
when you get them?

Jason White
 

Or use a mobile phone to scan the screen if you have one. Applications such
as SeeingAI work well for this purpose.

Microsoft tends to release Windows updates on the second Tuesday of the
month, so around that time each month, I just use Check for Updates to bring
in the latest (including the latest security fixes, which are important).
Those who don't keep their software up to date are more vulnerable to
malware and other malicious activity, so I try to stay ahead by ensuring I
have the latest installed. (The same holds for Microsoft Office, Web
browsers, and anything else that connects to the Internet.)

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Cheryl Traub
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 7:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I tried to run Narrator, but it didn't run. Nothing worked or I
couldn't see the screen. Oh well, maybe next time I'll ask someone to pop
in and read the screen. I don't know why I couldn't get Narrator to come
up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's
a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the
background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to
happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.
If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with
it. If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows
state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state. Narrator will be able to
give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time
to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message
telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on. Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked. This was a month ago. Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed. Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding? Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys. Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately? I just
had one. Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install. Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times. These updates are a
real pain. Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid. It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster. What do you do when you get updates? How do you know
when you get them?

Cheryl Traub
 

Hi Jason. I don't have a smart phone. I can't use them. Touch screens
really baffle me. I need something with buttons. I know lots of people can
do finger flicks, but I can't.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: August 9, 2019 8:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Or use a mobile phone to scan the screen if you have one. Applications such
as SeeingAI work well for this purpose.

Microsoft tends to release Windows updates on the second Tuesday of the
month, so around that time each month, I just use Check for Updates to bring
in the latest (including the latest security fixes, which are important).
Those who don't keep their software up to date are more vulnerable to
malware and other malicious activity, so I try to stay ahead by ensuring I
have the latest installed. (The same holds for Microsoft Office, Web
browsers, and anything else that connects to the Internet.)

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Cheryl Traub
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 7:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I tried to run Narrator, but it didn't run. Nothing worked or I
couldn't see the screen. Oh well, maybe next time I'll ask someone to pop
in and read the screen. I don't know why I couldn't get Narrator to come
up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's
a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the
background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to
happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.
If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with
it. If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows
state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state. Narrator will be able to
give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time
to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message
telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on. Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked. This was a month ago. Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed. Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding? Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys. Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately? I just
had one. Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install. Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times. These updates are a
real pain. Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid. It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster. What do you do when you get updates? How do you know
when you get them?

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Cheryl,
 
Somewhere along the line the start up and Turn off keystrokes for Narrator changed.  Just in case you didn't know this here's the keystrokes plus the scan keystrokes for reviewing the screen.
 
Press ctrl + windows + Enter to start and stop Narrator.
Use shift + spacebar to start and stop scan mode.
when Narrator is in scan mode Its like useing the Jaws cursor. You arrow up and down and use spacebar to activate items.
Wwhen scan mode is off its like the PC cursor  you tab to controls and press spacebar to activate them.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike.  I tried to run Narrator, but it didn't run.  Nothing worked or I
couldn't see the screen.  Oh well, maybe next time I'll ask someone to pop
in and read the screen.  I don't know why I couldn't get Narrator to come
up. 

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,
 
If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's
a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the
background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to
happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.
If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with
it.  If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows
state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state.  Narrator will be able to
give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time
to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message
telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike.  I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on.  Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked.  This was a month ago.  Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed.  Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,
 
When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding?  Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys.  Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately?  I just
had one.  Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install.  Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times.  These updates are a
real pain.  Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid.  It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster.  What do you do when you get updates?  How do you know
when you get them?













Cheryl Traub
 

Hi Mike. Okay. Thanks. Would Narrator really work if the computer is
doing an update? How come Jaws won't work during an update?

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 9:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

Somewhere along the line the start up and Turn off keystrokes for Narrator
changed. Just in case you didn't know this here's the keystrokes plus the
scan keystrokes for reviewing the screen.

Press ctrl + windows + Enter to start and stop Narrator.
Use shift + spacebar to start and stop scan mode.
when Narrator is in scan mode Its like useing the Jaws cursor. You arrow up
and down and use spacebar to activate items.
Wwhen scan mode is off its like the PC cursor you tab to controls and press
spacebar to activate them.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I tried to run Narrator, but it didn't run. Nothing worked or I
couldn't see the screen. Oh well, maybe next time I'll ask someone to pop
in and read the screen. I don't know why I couldn't get Narrator to come
up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's
a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the
background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to
happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.
If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with
it. If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows
state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state. Narrator will be able to
give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time
to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message
telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on. Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked. This was a month ago. Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed. Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding? Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys. Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately? I just
had one. Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install. Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times. These updates are a
real pain. Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid. It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster. What do you do when you get updates? How do you know
when you get them?

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Cheryl,
 
I'm only speculating here because this hasn't happened to me and I don't have any first hand experieence, but while the computer is updating the sound drivers might not be loded so neither Narrator or Jaws will be heard.  Once your update has finished I would think the sound would return and whatever screen reader you had running at the time will start talking.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike.  Okay.  Thanks.  Would Narrator really work if the computer is
doing an update?  How come Jaws won't work during an update?

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 9:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,
 
Somewhere along the line the start up and Turn off keystrokes for Narrator
changed.  Just in case you didn't know this here's the keystrokes plus the
scan keystrokes for reviewing the screen.
 
Press ctrl + windows + Enter to start and stop Narrator.
Use shift + spacebar to start and stop scan mode.
when Narrator is in scan mode Its like useing the Jaws cursor. You arrow up
and down and use spacebar to activate items.
Wwhen scan mode is off its like the PC cursor  you tab to controls and press
spacebar to activate them.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike.  I tried to run Narrator, but it didn't run.  Nothing worked or I
couldn't see the screen.  Oh well, maybe next time I'll ask someone to pop
in and read the screen.  I don't know why I couldn't get Narrator to come
up. 

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,
 
If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's
a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the
background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to
happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.
If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with
it.  If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows
state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state.  Narrator will be able to
give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time
to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message
telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike.  I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on.  Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked.  This was a month ago.  Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed.  Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,
 
When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding?  Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys.  Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately?  I just
had one.  Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install.  Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times.  These updates are a
real pain.  Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid.  It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster.  What do you do when you get updates?  How do you know
when you get them?


















Cheryl Traub
 

Hi Mike. Okay. Well who knows. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 9:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

I'm only speculating here because this hasn't happened to me and I don't
have any first hand experieence, but while the computer is updating the
sound drivers might not be loded so neither Narrator or Jaws will be heard.
Once your update has finished I would think the sound would return and
whatever screen reader you had running at the time will start talking.



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. Okay. Thanks. Would Narrator really work if the computer is
doing an update? How come Jaws won't work during an update?

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 9:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

Somewhere along the line the start up and Turn off keystrokes for Narrator
changed. Just in case you didn't know this here's the keystrokes plus the
scan keystrokes for reviewing the screen.

Press ctrl + windows + Enter to start and stop Narrator.
Use shift + spacebar to start and stop scan mode.
when Narrator is in scan mode Its like useing the Jaws cursor. You arrow up
and down and use spacebar to activate items.
Wwhen scan mode is off its like the PC cursor you tab to controls and press
spacebar to activate them.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I tried to run Narrator, but it didn't run. Nothing worked or I
couldn't see the screen. Oh well, maybe next time I'll ask someone to pop
in and read the screen. I don't know why I couldn't get Narrator to come
up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's
a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the
background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to
happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.
If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with
it. If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows
state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state. Narrator will be able to
give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time
to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message
telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on. Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked. This was a month ago. Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed. Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding? Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys. Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately? I just
had one. Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install. Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times. These updates are a
real pain. Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid. It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster. What do you do when you get updates? How do you know
when you get them?

netbat66
 

usually because the update is updateing before windows is loaded no windows , no jaws.
the other thing is many times if you have a large download or a large number of files you are copying the c p u will turn off the on board sound card so free up more c p u power until it has finished its task. then it will turn the sound card back on.
that is what may happen when you hear the screen reader voice studder for a few seconds when accessing a hard drive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl Traub
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 6:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. Okay. Thanks. Would Narrator really work if the computer is
doing an update? How come Jaws won't work during an update?

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 9:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

Somewhere along the line the start up and Turn off keystrokes for Narrator
changed. Just in case you didn't know this here's the keystrokes plus the
scan keystrokes for reviewing the screen.

Press ctrl + windows + Enter to start and stop Narrator.
Use shift + spacebar to start and stop scan mode.
when Narrator is in scan mode Its like useing the Jaws cursor. You arrow up
and down and use spacebar to activate items.
Wwhen scan mode is off its like the PC cursor you tab to controls and press
spacebar to activate them.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I tried to run Narrator, but it didn't run. Nothing worked or I
couldn't see the screen. Oh well, maybe next time I'll ask someone to pop
in and read the screen. I don't know why I couldn't get Narrator to come
up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's
a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the
background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to
happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.
If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with
it. If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows
state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state. Narrator will be able to
give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time
to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message
telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on. Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked. This was a month ago. Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed. Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding? Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys. Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately? I just
had one. Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install. Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times. These updates are a
real pain. Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid. It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster. What do you do when you get updates? How do you know
when you get them?

Larry Volk
 

I've never had Jaws automatically start downloading it has always required me to press ok to start the download.

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: August 9, 2019 8:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

usually because the update is updateing before windows is loaded no windows ,
no jaws.
the other thing is many times if you have a large download or a large number
of files you are copying the c p u will turn off the on board sound card so
free up more c p u power until it has finished its task. then it will turn the
sound card back on.
that is what may happen when you hear the screen reader voice studder for a
few seconds when accessing a hard drive.

-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl Traub
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 6:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. Okay. Thanks. Would Narrator really work if the computer is
doing an update? How come Jaws won't work during an update?

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 9:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

Somewhere along the line the start up and Turn off keystrokes for Narrator
changed. Just in case you didn't know this here's the keystrokes plus the
scan keystrokes for reviewing the screen.

Press ctrl + windows + Enter to start and stop Narrator.
Use shift + spacebar to start and stop scan mode.
when Narrator is in scan mode Its like useing the Jaws cursor. You arrow up
and down and use spacebar to activate items.
Wwhen scan mode is off its like the PC cursor you tab to controls and press
spacebar to activate them.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I tried to run Narrator, but it didn't run. Nothing worked or I
couldn't see the screen. Oh well, maybe next time I'll ask someone to pop
in and read the screen. I don't know why I couldn't get Narrator to come
up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's
a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the
background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to
happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.
If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with
it. If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows
state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state. Narrator will be able to
give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time
to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message
telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on. Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked. This was a month ago. Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed. Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding? Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys. Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately? I just
had one. Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install. Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times. These updates are a
real pain. Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid. It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster. What do you do when you get updates? How do you know
when you get them?

Larry Volk
 

If you're using Windows 10 it automatically downloads all updates on a daily
bases.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Or use a mobile phone to scan the screen if you have one. Applications such
as SeeingAI work well for this purpose.

Microsoft tends to release Windows updates on the second Tuesday of the
month, so around that time each month, I just use Check for Updates to bring
in the latest (including the latest security fixes, which are important).
Those who don't keep their software up to date are more vulnerable to
malware and other malicious activity, so I try to stay ahead by ensuring I
have the latest installed. (The same holds for Microsoft Office, Web
browsers, and anything else that connects to the Internet.)

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Cheryl Traub
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 7:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I tried to run Narrator, but it didn't run. Nothing worked or I
couldn't see the screen. Oh well, maybe next time I'll ask someone to pop
in and read the screen. I don't know why I couldn't get Narrator to come
up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's
a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the
background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to
happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.
If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with
it. If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows
state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state. Narrator will be able to
give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time
to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message
telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on. Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked. This was a month ago. Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed. Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding? Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys. Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately? I just
had one. Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install. Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times. These updates are a
real pain. Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid. It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster. What do you do when you get updates? How do you know
when you get them?

Loy
 

If you are talking about the major upgrades to Windows 10 then Narrator will work while upgrading.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Volk" <notseeman@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates


If you're using Windows 10 it automatically downloads all updates on a daily
bases.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Or use a mobile phone to scan the screen if you have one. Applications such
as SeeingAI work well for this purpose.

Microsoft tends to release Windows updates on the second Tuesday of the
month, so around that time each month, I just use Check for Updates to bring
in the latest (including the latest security fixes, which are important).
Those who don't keep their software up to date are more vulnerable to
malware and other malicious activity, so I try to stay ahead by ensuring I
have the latest installed. (The same holds for Microsoft Office, Web
browsers, and anything else that connects to the Internet.)

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Cheryl Traub
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 7:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I tried to run Narrator, but it didn't run. Nothing worked or I
couldn't see the screen. Oh well, maybe next time I'll ask someone to pop
in and read the screen. I don't know why I couldn't get Narrator to come
up.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 7:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

If Jaws doesn't come up after starting the computer this means that there's
a good possibility that the operating system is doing something in the
background and rebooting the computer could possibly cause unknown things to
happen and they're usually not good to an update if that's what's happening.
If this happens again you should be able to start Narrator and navigate with
it. If the operating system is updating this means it's in a pre-windows
state and Jaws can't run in a pre-windows state. Narrator will be able to
give you an idea as to what's happening and then just give the computer time
to do its thing and it'll probably reboot on its own or give you a message
telling you it needs to be rebooted.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike. I mean that I would turn on my computer and Jaws wouldn't start.
I didn't know what was going on. Then I rebooted several times and it
finally worked. This was a month ago. Then my sighted friend came today
and told me that an update needs to be installed. Anyway, good that he got
it installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Mike B
Sent: August 9, 2019 6:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Cheryl,

When you say Jaws wouldn't start, do you mean the computer was running and
Jaws wasn't responding? Or, did you start your computer and Jaws wouldn't
start?

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that
somebody screwed up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Traub <mailto:traub104@...>
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2019 1:53 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Big long updates


Hi guys. Has anyone experienced installing Windows updates lately? I just
had one. Fortunately, today my sighted friend was here and that was good,
but apparently my computer was trying to install a big update from May for
Windows 10 and it didn't install. Well, there was a time back on July 10
that Jaws didn't start and I had to reboot a few times. These updates are a
real pain. Jaws doesn't warn me when there is a Windows update or anything.
It's really stupid. It used to be that there were warnings and the updates
installed faster. What do you do when you get updates? How do you know
when you get them?




















Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

Hi Mike,

while the computer is updating the
sound drivers might not be loded so neither Narrator or Jaws will be heard.
Once your update has finished I would think the sound would return and
whatever screen reader you had running at the time will start talking.
If there are no sound card drivers to be run in safe mode, WNarrator doesn't speak and no screen reader can speak either. But if any installed sound card drivers work during safe mode, Windows will use those to run Narrator. I have a USB sound card and another built into thee motherboard. In safe mode and while updating, Narrator only uses the motherboard sound card because the USB interface needs Windows to run. But on my laptop, my internal sound card doesn't load at all in safe mode. Nonetheleess, when I'm updating Windows, Narrator manages to get hold of this internal sound card in order to speak. I'm not sure why this doesn't happen in safe mode, which is where I would need Narrator most. As it stands, I can't use safe mode on my laptop without sighted assistance. But all my installed screen readers work in safe mode on my desktop.


Orlando Enrique Fiol

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Orlando,
 
That's what I thought.  Thank you very much for the verification.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

Hi Mike,

 >while the computer is updating the
 >sound drivers might not be loded so neither Narrator or Jaws will be heard.
 >Once your update has finished I would think the sound would return and
 >whatever screen reader you had running at the time will start talking.
 >>
If there are no sound card drivers to be run in safe mode, WNarrator
doesn't speak and no screen reader can speak either. But if any
installed sound card drivers work during safe mode, Windows will use
those to run Narrator. I have a USB sound card and another built into
thee motherboard. In safe mode and while updating, Narrator only uses
the motherboard sound card because the USB interface needs Windows to
run. But on my laptop, my internal sound card doesn't load at all in
safe mode. Nonetheleess, when I'm updating Windows, Narrator manages
to get hold of this internal sound card in order to speak. I'm not
sure why this doesn't happen in safe mode, which is where I would
need Narrator most. As it stands, I can't use safe mode on my laptop
without sighted assistance. But all my installed screen readers work
in safe mode on my desktop.


Orlando Enrique Fiol



Tom Fairhurst
 

I appreciate the discussion on this. I have an HP desktop PC, Windows 10 version 1903, latest JAWS. When I have updates available, I am given an option either to update and restart or update and shut down. Thus, I know when they are coming. The minor updates seem to take very little time to accomplish. When the major update of 1903 was presented, the update and restart option did not work initially. I went to check my updates and was presented the option to restart now or to schedule the restart later. I didn’t do this the first time because I was scared. After writing this list and receiving encouragement from you guys, with fear and trepidation, I restarted the PC from the Check for Updates screen. I went to another room and waited. About 20minutes later, the PC began talking again. Upon checking things out, it was just fine.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 7:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

 

Hi Orlando,

 

That's what I thought.  Thank you very much for the verification.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 12:24 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

 

Hi Mike,

 >while the computer is updating the
 >sound drivers might not be loded so neither Narrator or Jaws will be heard.
 >Once your update has finished I would think the sound would return and
 >whatever screen reader you had running at the time will start talking.
 >>
If there are no sound card drivers to be run in safe mode, WNarrator
doesn't speak and no screen reader can speak either. But if any
installed sound card drivers work during safe mode, Windows will use
those to run Narrator. I have a USB sound card and another built into
thee motherboard. In safe mode and while updating, Narrator only uses
the motherboard sound card because the USB interface needs Windows to
run. But on my laptop, my internal sound card doesn't load at all in
safe mode. Nonetheleess, when I'm updating Windows, Narrator manages
to get hold of this internal sound card in order to speak. I'm not
sure why this doesn't happen in safe mode, which is where I would
need Narrator most. As it stands, I can't use safe mode on my laptop
without sighted assistance. But all my installed screen readers work
in safe mode on my desktop.


Orlando Enrique Fiol


Susan Stanzel
 

I know this is a silly question. How do I check for updates and cause the question to come up? I do not think I am getting updates. I have Windows 10.

 

Susie Stanzel

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 8:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

 

I appreciate the discussion on this. I have an HP desktop PC, Windows 10 version 1903, latest JAWS. When I have updates available, I am given an option either to update and restart or update and shut down. Thus, I know when they are coming. The minor updates seem to take very little time to accomplish. When the major update of 1903 was presented, the update and restart option did not work initially. I went to check my updates and was presented the option to restart now or to schedule the restart later. I didn’t do this the first time because I was scared. After writing this list and receiving encouragement from you guys, with fear and trepidation, I restarted the PC from the Check for Updates screen. I went to another room and waited. About 20minutes later, the PC began talking again. Upon checking things out, it was just fine.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 7:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

 

Hi Orlando,

 

That's what I thought.  Thank you very much for the verification.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 12:24 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

 

Hi Mike,

 >while the computer is updating the
 >sound drivers might not be loded so neither Narrator or Jaws will be heard.
 >Once your update has finished I would think the sound would return and
 >whatever screen reader you had running at the time will start talking.
 >>
If there are no sound card drivers to be run in safe mode, WNarrator
doesn't speak and no screen reader can speak either. But if any
installed sound card drivers work during safe mode, Windows will use
those to run Narrator. I have a USB sound card and another built into
thee motherboard. In safe mode and while updating, Narrator only uses
the motherboard sound card because the USB interface needs Windows to
run. But on my laptop, my internal sound card doesn't load at all in
safe mode. Nonetheleess, when I'm updating Windows, Narrator manages
to get hold of this internal sound card in order to speak. I'm not
sure why this doesn't happen in safe mode, which is where I would
need Narrator most. As it stands, I can't use safe mode on my laptop
without sighted assistance. But all my installed screen readers work
in safe mode on my desktop.


Orlando Enrique Fiol

Loy
 

Since Windows 1703 Narrator will work during a major upgrade these usually happens twice a year. I have upgraded several computers and Narrator has always worked during these upgrades. Screen readers will not.  Cumulative updates are different they happen usually on a monthly .basis 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

I appreciate the discussion on this. I have an HP desktop PC, Windows 10 version 1903, latest JAWS. When I have updates available, I am given an option either to update and restart or update and shut down. Thus, I know when they are coming. The minor updates seem to take very little time to accomplish. When the major update of 1903 was presented, the update and restart option did not work initially. I went to check my updates and was presented the option to restart now or to schedule the restart later. I didn’t do this the first time because I was scared. After writing this list and receiving encouragement from you guys, with fear and trepidation, I restarted the PC from the Check for Updates screen. I went to another room and waited. About 20minutes later, the PC began talking again. Upon checking things out, it was just fine.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 7:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

 

Hi Orlando,

 

That's what I thought.  Thank you very much for the verification.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 12:24 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Big long updates

 

Hi Mike,

 >while the computer is updating the
 >sound drivers might not be loded so neither Narrator or Jaws will be heard.
 >Once your update has finished I would think the sound would return and
 >whatever screen reader you had running at the time will start talking.
 >>
If there are no sound card drivers to be run in safe mode, WNarrator
doesn't speak and no screen reader can speak either. But if any
installed sound card drivers work during safe mode, Windows will use
those to run Narrator. I have a USB sound card and another built into
thee motherboard. In safe mode and while updating, Narrator only uses
the motherboard sound card because the USB interface needs Windows to
run. But on my laptop, my internal sound card doesn't load at all in
safe mode. Nonetheleess, when I'm updating Windows, Narrator manages
to get hold of this internal sound card in order to speak. I'm not
sure why this doesn't happen in safe mode, which is where I would
need Narrator most. As it stands, I can't use safe mode on my laptop
without sighted assistance. But all my installed screen readers work
in safe mode on my desktop.


Orlando Enrique Fiol