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Re: jaws cursor

Glenn / Lenny
 


Sandy,
Usually when you are in a program and there should be a next control that you can't get to, or some way to advance through the program.
For example, I have been in audio programs where you need to select a drive to move to the next screen, but all the tabbing in the world won't get you where you want.
That is when you route the jaws cursor and arrow around with that.
If you find what you need, you might rout the PC cursor to the correct item, like a next button, or a drive letter, or if that does not work, you might try left clicking on the item using the key above the #8 on the number pad.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

ok, but what tells a person that the jaws cursor is needed?
 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
Sandy,
It certainly won't hurt to switch to the Jaws cursor and arrow around.
I usually start out by routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor.
That is done with insert + jaws key.
That pulls the Jaws cursor to the window that has focus.
Glenn
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
with the things I’ve said to the replies, it proves to people just how confusing cursors can be. is it best to experiement with using the jaws cursor?
 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
I've never gotten the Jaws cursor to work on a web page.
But I've used it in applications where the PC cursor does not seem to work.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
seems like you need to know what’s on a web page to know to use the jaws cursor, which doesn’t make sense to me
 
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 

This is in the JAWS help material, but, a nice way of remembering/showing how the JAWS cursor is supposed to work is that it goes where the mouse pointer can go. I don’t see many people say this, maybe because they’re not used to talking about mice, but the JAWS cursor is linked to the mouse pointer whereas the regular PC cursor is not. So, for those types of controls that tabbing around simply won’t get you to, it can be very useful, as well as reading information that is not displayed in a field you can tab to and then move your regular cursor in with arrow keys.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: jaws cursor

JM Casey
 

The jAWS cursor still works for me in file explorer, which is a pretty important part of Windows 10. It is pretty invaluable in command prompt or powershell, too, which I use fairly often.

But yeah, it won’t work with the so-called Universal or modern app design. Still, that’s maybe less than 10% of what I use. I really don’t think it’s time to retire the JAWS cursor, but I suppose if something even better came along….Still haven’t really used the touch cursor for much. Perhaps I just run too much legacy software on this Windows 10 machine. Haha

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: April 22, 2019 6:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Sandy, are you saying you’ve never come across a dialog box the PC cursor couldn’t read, no matter how many tabs you performed?

 

I’ve come across so many, I can’t even count anymore.

 

What I do find is that third party software will allow you to use the Jaws cursor to read the window contents, however, anything created by Microsoft does not, and recently, newer programs that are writing in the same way as Windows 10 won’t let me use the Jaws cursor either.

 

I think it may be time to retire the Jaws cursor, especially since it’s apparent that Freedom Scientific isn’t willing or able to fix the issue.

 

In any case, for now, that is, the Jaws cursor is a viable option when the PC cursor just won’t read that little bit of text you need to perform an informed option.

 

Victor

 

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

seems like you need to know what’s on a web page to know to use the jaws cursor, which doesn’t make sense to me

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

This is in the JAWS help material, but, a nice way of remembering/showing how the JAWS cursor is supposed to work is that it goes where the mouse pointer can go. I don’t see many people say this, maybe because they’re not used to talking about mice, but the JAWS cursor is linked to the mouse pointer whereas the regular PC cursor is not. So, for those types of controls that tabbing around simply won’t get you to, it can be very useful, as well as reading information that is not displayed in a field you can tab to and then move your regular cursor in with arrow keys.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: jaws cursor

Larry Volk
 

For me I have found that the JAWS cursor hasn’t worked on websites for a couple of years and now that I have moved to Windows 10 that many of the Windows screens doesn’t work either.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: April 22, 2019 4:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The jAWS cursor still works for me in file explorer, which is a pretty important part of Windows 10. It is pretty invaluable in command prompt or powershell, too, which I use fairly often.

But yeah, it won’t work with the so-called Universal or modern app design. Still, that’s maybe less than 10% of what I use. I really don’t think it’s time to retire the JAWS cursor, but I suppose if something even better came along….Still haven’t really used the touch cursor for much. Perhaps I just run too much legacy software on this Windows 10 machine. Haha

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: April 22, 2019 6:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Sandy, are you saying you’ve never come across a dialog box the PC cursor couldn’t read, no matter how many tabs you performed?

 

I’ve come across so many, I can’t even count anymore.

 

What I do find is that third party software will allow you to use the Jaws cursor to read the window contents, however, anything created by Microsoft does not, and recently, newer programs that are writing in the same way as Windows 10 won’t let me use the Jaws cursor either.

 

I think it may be time to retire the Jaws cursor, especially since it’s apparent that Freedom Scientific isn’t willing or able to fix the issue.

 

In any case, for now, that is, the Jaws cursor is a viable option when the PC cursor just won’t read that little bit of text you need to perform an informed option.

 

Victor

 

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

seems like you need to know what’s on a web page to know to use the jaws cursor, which doesn’t make sense to me

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

This is in the JAWS help material, but, a nice way of remembering/showing how the JAWS cursor is supposed to work is that it goes where the mouse pointer can go. I don’t see many people say this, maybe because they’re not used to talking about mice, but the JAWS cursor is linked to the mouse pointer whereas the regular PC cursor is not. So, for those types of controls that tabbing around simply won’t get you to, it can be very useful, as well as reading information that is not displayed in a field you can tab to and then move your regular cursor in with arrow keys.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: Combo box

Larry Volk
 

I have tried IE, Chrome and Edge and got the same result…maybe I should try Firefox again.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: April 22, 2019 12:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Combo box

 

I used to encounter one of these. If I opened the box with the alt-down as suggested (or pressed enter, then alt-down arrow) and quickly hit the first letter of the desired option, it would work. If you don’t know the options, this would not be helpful. I ended up using a different browser on that site- which helped solve the problem.

 

Cher

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Volk
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Combo box

 

I am able to get into the list but I’m not able to scroll through the options. When I press the down arrow or a letter the first option gets selected and kicks me out of the list. Yes the Alt and down arrow does open the list but I’m still not able to scroll.

 

Larry

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of John R Vaughn
Sent: April 22, 2019 9:04 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Combo box

 

Try using alt key plus down arrow to open combo box options.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Volk
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:39 AM
To: JAWS Group
Subject: [jaws-users] Combo box

 

I’ve ran into an issue with combo boxes on one website that I use. About one year ago they changed their lists to combo boxes and now I cannot scroll through the various options. I have tried using the mouse—(mouse echo on), routing JAWS to PC and routing Touch cursor to PC, nothing worked. Would anybody have any other suggestions to try?

 

Sorry about my last post on one of the threads, I didn’t know that my reply attached to the bottom rather than at the top.

 

Larry

 

Re: Combo box

Larry Volk
 

When I get kicked out and then re-enter the list my cursor is always placed on the first option. Typing letters for options I know in the list does get me there but there are many other options I’m unable to learn about.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: April 22, 2019 12:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Combo box

 

Hi Larry:

 

I have come across this problem on Amazon at times, usually when selecting a size or color.  The only way I have been able to work around it is to go back to the list after it kicks you out and wait to hear what you selected, then arrow up or down .  When it kicks you out again, go back and see if the option has changed.  It may take a few tries, but you can usually end up finding what you want to select in the combo list.

 

Hope this makes sense.

 

Maybe someone else has found an easier way.

 

Holly

Re: jaws cursor

JM Casey
 

Yeah, at least in Firefox it doesn’t work if you have hardware acceleration turned on, which is the default setting.

It’s not really as useful on the web anyway, I find; the virtual buffer has a lot of that covered, but you might still need to use simulated mouse clicks, so routing can still be helpful.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Volk
Sent: April 22, 2019 6:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

For me I have found that the JAWS cursor hasn’t worked on websites for a couple of years and now that I have moved to Windows 10 that many of the Windows screens doesn’t work either.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: April 22, 2019 4:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The jAWS cursor still works for me in file explorer, which is a pretty important part of Windows 10. It is pretty invaluable in command prompt or powershell, too, which I use fairly often.

But yeah, it won’t work with the so-called Universal or modern app design. Still, that’s maybe less than 10% of what I use. I really don’t think it’s time to retire the JAWS cursor, but I suppose if something even better came along….Still haven’t really used the touch cursor for much. Perhaps I just run too much legacy software on this Windows 10 machine. Haha

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: April 22, 2019 6:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Sandy, are you saying you’ve never come across a dialog box the PC cursor couldn’t read, no matter how many tabs you performed?

 

I’ve come across so many, I can’t even count anymore.

 

What I do find is that third party software will allow you to use the Jaws cursor to read the window contents, however, anything created by Microsoft does not, and recently, newer programs that are writing in the same way as Windows 10 won’t let me use the Jaws cursor either.

 

I think it may be time to retire the Jaws cursor, especially since it’s apparent that Freedom Scientific isn’t willing or able to fix the issue.

 

In any case, for now, that is, the Jaws cursor is a viable option when the PC cursor just won’t read that little bit of text you need to perform an informed option.

 

Victor

 

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

seems like you need to know what’s on a web page to know to use the jaws cursor, which doesn’t make sense to me

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

This is in the JAWS help material, but, a nice way of remembering/showing how the JAWS cursor is supposed to work is that it goes where the mouse pointer can go. I don’t see many people say this, maybe because they’re not used to talking about mice, but the JAWS cursor is linked to the mouse pointer whereas the regular PC cursor is not. So, for those types of controls that tabbing around simply won’t get you to, it can be very useful, as well as reading information that is not displayed in a field you can tab to and then move your regular cursor in with arrow keys.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: jaws cursor

sandy
 

I thank everyone for their help, but since I am literally lost by most of the replies, I’ll just keep using my computers the way I’ve been, and thanks to that 1 other jaws user that didn’t understand the jaws cursor. thank you folks
 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
Sandy,
Usually when you are in a program and there should be a next control that you can't get to, or some way to advance through the program.
For example, I have been in audio programs where you need to select a drive to move to the next screen, but all the tabbing in the world won't get you where you want.
That is when you route the jaws cursor and arrow around with that.
If you find what you need, you might rout the PC cursor to the correct item, like a next button, or a drive letter, or if that does not work, you might try left clicking on the item using the key above the #8 on the number pad.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
ok, but what tells a person that the jaws cursor is needed?
 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
Sandy,
It certainly won't hurt to switch to the Jaws cursor and arrow around.
I usually start out by routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor.
That is done with insert + jaws key.
That pulls the Jaws cursor to the window that has focus.
Glenn
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
with the things I’ve said to the replies, it proves to people just how confusing cursors can be. is it best to experiement with using the jaws cursor?
 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
I've never gotten the Jaws cursor to work on a web page.
But I've used it in applications where the PC cursor does not seem to work.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
seems like you need to know what’s on a web page to know to use the jaws cursor, which doesn’t make sense to me
 
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 

This is in the JAWS help material, but, a nice way of remembering/showing how the JAWS cursor is supposed to work is that it goes where the mouse pointer can go. I don’t see many people say this, maybe because they’re not used to talking about mice, but the JAWS cursor is linked to the mouse pointer whereas the regular PC cursor is not. So, for those types of controls that tabbing around simply won’t get you to, it can be very useful, as well as reading information that is not displayed in a field you can tab to and then move your regular cursor in with arrow keys.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: jaws cursor

JM Casey
 

Instances where the JAWS cursor is useful:

Dialogue boxes. Easier to use this cursor to read the contents  rather than using jaws key + b to read the entire thing and sit through a lot of useless verbosity. In most of these, arrow keys will not do anything but possibly move you to the buttons within that box – you won’t be able to read the box like you would a document.

 

Command prompt – JAWS cursor will read the output of whatever command. If you try to arrow up using your PC cursor, instead of reading anything, you’ll end up accessing the command history.

 

Unreachable buttons or tabs – many programmes have these. They’re not actually unreachable, but they’re not strictly speaking designed to be accessed with the keyboard. Normally, you would move your mouse to this area of the screen. Accessing the different tabs or the search box in soulseek or dc++ has traditionally only been doable with the jAWS cursor.

 

IRC – again, to read the output of a chat window, this is the best way to do it.

 

Sound editors – some digital effects and other types of plugins don’t have standard interfaces, so they have buttons or text in fields that just can’t be accessed by pressing tab, tab, tab.

 

I’m sure I can think of more. I use this cursor everyday and it’s pretty much second nature so I don’t even think about it anymore. You may not need it as much.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: April 22, 2019 6:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Sandy,

Usually when you are in a program and there should be a next control that you can't get to, or some way to advance through the program.

For example, I have been in audio programs where you need to select a drive to move to the next screen, but all the tabbing in the world won't get you where you want.

That is when you route the jaws cursor and arrow around with that.

If you find what you need, you might rout the PC cursor to the correct item, like a next button, or a drive letter, or if that does not work, you might try left clicking on the item using the key above the #8 on the number pad.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

ok, but what tells a person that the jaws cursor is needed?

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Sandy,

It certainly won't hurt to switch to the Jaws cursor and arrow around.

I usually start out by routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor.

That is done with insert + jaws key.

That pulls the Jaws cursor to the window that has focus.

Glenn

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

with the things I’ve said to the replies, it proves to people just how confusing cursors can be. is it best to experiement with using the jaws cursor?

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:40 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I've never gotten the Jaws cursor to work on a web page.

But I've used it in applications where the PC cursor does not seem to work.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

seems like you need to know what’s on a web page to know to use the jaws cursor, which doesn’t make sense to me

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

This is in the JAWS help material, but, a nice way of remembering/showing how the JAWS cursor is supposed to work is that it goes where the mouse pointer can go. I don’t see many people say this, maybe because they’re not used to talking about mice, but the JAWS cursor is linked to the mouse pointer whereas the regular PC cursor is not. So, for those types of controls that tabbing around simply won’t get you to, it can be very useful, as well as reading information that is not displayed in a field you can tab to and then move your regular cursor in with arrow keys.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: jaws cursor

JM Casey
 

Often, you have to use your judgment. Is there information on the screen that you can’t get to? A button that needs to be pressed, perhaps?

Even if you don’t think so, it doesn’t ever hurt to look around the window using that cursor.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 6:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

ok, but what tells a person that the jaws cursor is needed?

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Sandy,

It certainly won't hurt to switch to the Jaws cursor and arrow around.

I usually start out by routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor.

That is done with insert + jaws key.

That pulls the Jaws cursor to the window that has focus.

Glenn

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

with the things I’ve said to the replies, it proves to people just how confusing cursors can be. is it best to experiement with using the jaws cursor?

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:40 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I've never gotten the Jaws cursor to work on a web page.

But I've used it in applications where the PC cursor does not seem to work.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

seems like you need to know what’s on a web page to know to use the jaws cursor, which doesn’t make sense to me

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

This is in the JAWS help material, but, a nice way of remembering/showing how the JAWS cursor is supposed to work is that it goes where the mouse pointer can go. I don’t see many people say this, maybe because they’re not used to talking about mice, but the JAWS cursor is linked to the mouse pointer whereas the regular PC cursor is not. So, for those types of controls that tabbing around simply won’t get you to, it can be very useful, as well as reading information that is not displayed in a field you can tab to and then move your regular cursor in with arrow keys.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: jaws cursor

JM Casey
 

A frame is like a window, but I think usually refers to content on webpages. Using frames, you can display multiple documents simultaneously, each in its own frame, and each with its own specifications (borders, colours, fonts, all that stuff)…all on the same screen/page.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 5:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

what are frames?

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:46 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Mike and list,

 

I didn’t complicate my original response to Sandy’s query with this added detail, but you can change the area of the screen covered by the JAWS cursor. Turn on the JAWS cursor, then press JAWS key+r. Each time you press this combo, you gain access to a different area, such as the current frame.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

It might not read the entire page but, it'll read a heck of a lot more of the page than the PC cursor.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so what you are saying is that since the pc cursor only reads, say for example half the width of a page, the jaws cursor will read the entire page

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Hi Sandy,

 

Maybe this'll help.  Let's say the PC cursor can only read a certain area of the screen, the Jaws cursor expands that area and reads the text outside the area that the PC cursor cannot access or read.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:18 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

no, I guess my simple mind just can’t understand different cursors, but thank you 

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:57 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Hi Sandy & Takis,

 

See if the following will help you understand the cursors a little better.

About JAWS Cursors

Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors.

These cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often directly

linked with Windows cursors.

 

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes

 

This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and applications.

This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving through

options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons.

As you type information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you

press.

If you are making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC Cursor

highlights the currently selected object.

The PC Cursor is activated by default when JAWS starts. If you are using a

different cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns you to the PC Cursor.

*Tip, If you are using the Jaws touch cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS twice

quickly returns you to the PC Cursor.

 

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer

 

The JAWS Cursor is linked to mouse pointer functions in Windows and other

applications.

It is used to read information the PC Cursor cannot read, such as toolbar

information.

The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when it is moved, and you

therefore have access to information in an application window that is beyond

the scope of the PC Cursor.

To activate the JAWS Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

 

The Invisible Cursor - Explore Without Moving Focus

 

The Invisible Cursor allows you to move around the screen without changing

the position of the PC Cursor or mouse pointer.

You can use this cursor to read text and access options that you cannot move

to with the PC Cursor.

You can also use the Invisible Cursor to provide a quick overview of the

information currently available on the screen.

To activate the Invisible Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS twice quickly.

 

The Touch Cursor - Object Navigation

 

The Touch Cursor enables you to navigate the Windows environment using a

touch screen, found on many tablet computers running Windows 8 or later.

*Tip, you do not need to have a touch screen to use the Jaws touch cursor.

To control JAWS from a touch screen, you will use one or more fingers to

perform various gestures directly on the screen, such as tapping, flicking,

and swiping.

When activated from the keyboard, you can use keystrokes to simulate touch

screen gestures to move through the objects in an application to access

information that is not readily accessible using the JAWS or PC Cursor.

The Touch Cursor is always available when navigating using a touch screen.

To activate the Touch Cursor from the keyboard, press SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS.

Tip, to change from using the touch cursor back to the PC cursor, press the

num pad plus, twice quickly to change back to the regular PC cursor.

 

 

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment The virtual PC Cursor mimics the

functions of the PC Cursor, but is activated by default when entering an

HTML document, such as a web page on the Internet.

The virtual PC Cursor speaks the number of elements on the page when it

first opens.

For instance, the number of links, headings, and regions.

You can use the ARROW keys to navigate and read the document, or use

Navigation Quick Keys to move to specific elements, such as paragraphs,

tables, or headings.

JAWS also reads graphics labeled by alt tags in the HTML code.

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:02 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: top posting

David Ferrin
 

Who cares? The fact is it is what we prefer on here.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] top posting

Glenn,

I beg to differ with your statement that many if not most sighted folks prefer bottom posting. Back in my sighted work days, I certainly preferred top posting as did the majority of my co-workers. I'm sort of scratching my head wondering where you drew that conclusion since most want to get to a response as quickly as possible whether sighted or not and top posting yields the quickest response.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] top posting

Hi,
Many, if not most sighted folk prefer bottom posting.
To them, it makes sense.
Sighted folk can simply look past all the past info and glance down to the new information.
I think some Blind folk like to do this because they may feel that it normalizes them to some degree because most sighted users do this.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a screenreader user who prefers bottom-posting, because we are forced to reread the non-relevant information at the top.
Usually when we read a message of a particular thread, we have been following the thread and we just want to read the next reply and that is why I call that non-relevant.
And if we come into a thread late, it is no big deal to arrow down to discover what the above message was referring to.
I'm bringing this topic up because I have read some bottom-posted messages on this list in the past and the moderators prefer that we top-post.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


That may be so, but I am not in the habit of searching for a reply which should be at the top of the message, and nor should anyone else!
Refer to the list guidelines for proper posting practices.


Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon S" <koala@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


Hi, there was a message however it was right near the bottom.

Larry was commenting on the cost for his jaws compared to the price quoted for the other person.

Larry, the $90 offer is only available in US at the moment but they are hoping to at some stage open it up to all countries.

Hope this helps.
From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws

If you have something constructive to say, then say it, do not re-post what has already been said.

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Volk" <notseeman@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


On 4/21/19, John Gassman <johngassman@...> wrote:
If she lives in the United States, she can move from JAWS 14 to 2019
for just $90.00.
She'll be able to authorize it legally.
If she doesn't live here, she'll have to wait until the home annual
license is released world wide.
I hope that will be in the near future but so far no date has been
released.

John
At 07:37 AM 4/21/2019, you wrote:
I do not believe this is a question to be discussed on here as it goes
to copyright violation.

From: Kevin
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] activating jaws

I have a friend who is running windows 7 with jaws 14 installed.
Currently jaws 14 is set to startup when the computer does.
I gave her my old cd of jaws 17 with a valid authorization.
She has got jaws 17 installed but not
authorized so she is still using 14 and 17 is sitting on her computer.
My question is how can she authorize 17. She gets like oh no I have
no speech what do I do!
Basically because she doesn’


E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee


David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife
would have preferred.

JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification





Wow! Here in Canada it cost me more than $600.00 to go from JAWS 14 to 2019.

Re: Combo box

TheHangMan
 

Larry,

There are a couple types of comboboxs , the one that I seen the most lately , you enter to open it and arrow to what you want and press enter,

 

                    Jorge

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Volk
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:57 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Combo box

 

When I get kicked out and then re-enter the list my cursor is always placed on the first option. Typing letters for options I know in the list does get me there but there are many other options I’m unable to learn about.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: April 22, 2019 12:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Combo box

 

Hi Larry:

 

I have come across this problem on Amazon at times, usually when selecting a size or color.  The only way I have been able to work around it is to go back to the list after it kicks you out and wait to hear what you selected, then arrow up or down .  When it kicks you out again, go back and see if the option has changed.  It may take a few tries, but you can usually end up finding what you want to select in the combo list.

 

Hope this makes sense.

 

Maybe someone else has found an easier way.

 

Holly

Re: jaws cursor

sandy
 

thank you, and hope this message helps people
 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 

Instances where the JAWS cursor is useful:

Dialogue boxes. Easier to use this cursor to read the contents  rather than using jaws key + b to read the entire thing and sit through a lot of useless verbosity. In most of these, arrow keys will not do anything but possibly move you to the buttons within that box – you won’t be able to read the box like you would a document.

 

Command prompt – JAWS cursor will read the output of whatever command. If you try to arrow up using your PC cursor, instead of reading anything, you’ll end up accessing the command history.

 

Unreachable buttons or tabs – many programmes have these. They’re not actually unreachable, but they’re not strictly speaking designed to be accessed with the keyboard. Normally, you would move your mouse to this area of the screen. Accessing the different tabs or the search box in soulseek or dc++ has traditionally only been doable with the jAWS cursor.

 

IRC – again, to read the output of a chat window, this is the best way to do it.

 

Sound editors – some digital effects and other types of plugins don’t have standard interfaces, so they have buttons or text in fields that just can’t be accessed by pressing tab, tab, tab.

 

I’m sure I can think of more. I use this cursor everyday and it’s pretty much second nature so I don’t even think about it anymore. You may not need it as much.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: April 22, 2019 6:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Sandy,

Usually when you are in a program and there should be a next control that you can't get to, or some way to advance through the program.

For example, I have been in audio programs where you need to select a drive to move to the next screen, but all the tabbing in the world won't get you where you want.

That is when you route the jaws cursor and arrow around with that.

If you find what you need, you might rout the PC cursor to the correct item, like a next button, or a drive letter, or if that does not work, you might try left clicking on the item using the key above the #8 on the number pad.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

ok, but what tells a person that the jaws cursor is needed?

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Sandy,

It certainly won't hurt to switch to the Jaws cursor and arrow around.

I usually start out by routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor.

That is done with insert + jaws key.

That pulls the Jaws cursor to the window that has focus.

Glenn

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

with the things I’ve said to the replies, it proves to people just how confusing cursors can be. is it best to experiement with using the jaws cursor?

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:40 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I've never gotten the Jaws cursor to work on a web page.

But I've used it in applications where the PC cursor does not seem to work.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

seems like you need to know what’s on a web page to know to use the jaws cursor, which doesn’t make sense to me

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

This is in the JAWS help material, but, a nice way of remembering/showing how the JAWS cursor is supposed to work is that it goes where the mouse pointer can go. I don’t see many people say this, maybe because they’re not used to talking about mice, but the JAWS cursor is linked to the mouse pointer whereas the regular PC cursor is not. So, for those types of controls that tabbing around simply won’t get you to, it can be very useful, as well as reading information that is not displayed in a field you can tab to and then move your regular cursor in with arrow keys.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: jaws cursor

sandy
 

makes sense, if you know the page
 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 

Often, you have to use your judgment. Is there information on the screen that you can’t get to? A button that needs to be pressed, perhaps?

Even if you don’t think so, it doesn’t ever hurt to look around the window using that cursor.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 6:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

ok, but what tells a person that the jaws cursor is needed?

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Sandy,

It certainly won't hurt to switch to the Jaws cursor and arrow around.

I usually start out by routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor.

That is done with insert + jaws key.

That pulls the Jaws cursor to the window that has focus.

Glenn

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

with the things I’ve said to the replies, it proves to people just how confusing cursors can be. is it best to experiement with using the jaws cursor?

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:40 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I've never gotten the Jaws cursor to work on a web page.

But I've used it in applications where the PC cursor does not seem to work.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

seems like you need to know what’s on a web page to know to use the jaws cursor, which doesn’t make sense to me

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

This is in the JAWS help material, but, a nice way of remembering/showing how the JAWS cursor is supposed to work is that it goes where the mouse pointer can go. I don’t see many people say this, maybe because they’re not used to talking about mice, but the JAWS cursor is linked to the mouse pointer whereas the regular PC cursor is not. So, for those types of controls that tabbing around simply won’t get you to, it can be very useful, as well as reading information that is not displayed in a field you can tab to and then move your regular cursor in with arrow keys.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: jaws cursor

sandy
 

something like columns then. I believe I’ve heard jaws say that a page has X number of frames before, but how does one go from one frame to another?
 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 

A frame is like a window, but I think usually refers to content on webpages. Using frames, you can display multiple documents simultaneously, each in its own frame, and each with its own specifications (borders, colours, fonts, all that stuff)…all on the same screen/page.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 5:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

what are frames?

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:46 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Mike and list,

 

I didn’t complicate my original response to Sandy’s query with this added detail, but you can change the area of the screen covered by the JAWS cursor. Turn on the JAWS cursor, then press JAWS key+r. Each time you press this combo, you gain access to a different area, such as the current frame.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

It might not read the entire page but, it'll read a heck of a lot more of the page than the PC cursor.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so what you are saying is that since the pc cursor only reads, say for example half the width of a page, the jaws cursor will read the entire page

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Hi Sandy,

 

Maybe this'll help.  Let's say the PC cursor can only read a certain area of the screen, the Jaws cursor expands that area and reads the text outside the area that the PC cursor cannot access or read.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:18 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

no, I guess my simple mind just can’t understand different cursors, but thank you 

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:57 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Hi Sandy & Takis,

 

See if the following will help you understand the cursors a little better.

About JAWS Cursors

Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors.

These cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often directly

linked with Windows cursors.

 

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes

 

This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and applications.

This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving through

options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons.

As you type information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you

press.

If you are making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC Cursor

highlights the currently selected object.

The PC Cursor is activated by default when JAWS starts. If you are using a

different cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns you to the PC Cursor.

*Tip, If you are using the Jaws touch cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS twice

quickly returns you to the PC Cursor.

 

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer

 

The JAWS Cursor is linked to mouse pointer functions in Windows and other

applications.

It is used to read information the PC Cursor cannot read, such as toolbar

information.

The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when it is moved, and you

therefore have access to information in an application window that is beyond

the scope of the PC Cursor.

To activate the JAWS Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

 

The Invisible Cursor - Explore Without Moving Focus

 

The Invisible Cursor allows you to move around the screen without changing

the position of the PC Cursor or mouse pointer.

You can use this cursor to read text and access options that you cannot move

to with the PC Cursor.

You can also use the Invisible Cursor to provide a quick overview of the

information currently available on the screen.

To activate the Invisible Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS twice quickly.

 

The Touch Cursor - Object Navigation

 

The Touch Cursor enables you to navigate the Windows environment using a

touch screen, found on many tablet computers running Windows 8 or later.

*Tip, you do not need to have a touch screen to use the Jaws touch cursor.

To control JAWS from a touch screen, you will use one or more fingers to

perform various gestures directly on the screen, such as tapping, flicking,

and swiping.

When activated from the keyboard, you can use keystrokes to simulate touch

screen gestures to move through the objects in an application to access

information that is not readily accessible using the JAWS or PC Cursor.

The Touch Cursor is always available when navigating using a touch screen.

To activate the Touch Cursor from the keyboard, press SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS.

Tip, to change from using the touch cursor back to the PC cursor, press the

num pad plus, twice quickly to change back to the regular PC cursor.

 

 

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment The virtual PC Cursor mimics the

functions of the PC Cursor, but is activated by default when entering an

HTML document, such as a web page on the Internet.

The virtual PC Cursor speaks the number of elements on the page when it

first opens.

For instance, the number of links, headings, and regions.

You can use the ARROW keys to navigate and read the document, or use

Navigation Quick Keys to move to specific elements, such as paragraphs,

tables, or headings.

JAWS also reads graphics labeled by alt tags in the HTML code.

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:02 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: jaws cursor

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Sandy,
 
The best way to learn about the Jaws cursor is to experiment with it.  Members have mentioned ways to use it but, let's say you're on a website try routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor and just tab and arrow around.  Or, press the Jaws cursor key and arrow or tab around.  Most of us were in the same place as yourself and learned a lot of what we know by experimentation.  Don't let the computer intimidate you.  Believe me I know exactly how you feel and so does everyone else that has used a computer, it can be both frustrating and rewarding when you're working with a website or something and all of the sudden the light bulb comes on, and you tell yourself, Okay now I understand what all those people were saying.  Give yourself credit because the first step is what you're doing right now,and that's not being afraid to ask questions.  There are many list members that won't ask the list questions because they feel that what they are going to ask is stupid and are afraid of what others might think about them.  But, I've said this before and it's worth repeating;  The only stupid question, is the question that isn't asked!  Just keep trying and we'll always be here to help.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

ok, but what tells a person that the jaws cursor is needed?
 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
Sandy,
It certainly won't hurt to switch to the Jaws cursor and arrow around.
I usually start out by routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor.
That is done with insert + jaws key.
That pulls the Jaws cursor to the window that has focus.
Glenn
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
with the things I’ve said to the replies, it proves to people just how confusing cursors can be. is it best to experiement with using the jaws cursor?
 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
I've never gotten the Jaws cursor to work on a web page.
But I've used it in applications where the PC cursor does not seem to work.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
seems like you need to know what’s on a web page to know to use the jaws cursor, which doesn’t make sense to me
 
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 

This is in the JAWS help material, but, a nice way of remembering/showing how the JAWS cursor is supposed to work is that it goes where the mouse pointer can go. I don’t see many people say this, maybe because they’re not used to talking about mice, but the JAWS cursor is linked to the mouse pointer whereas the regular PC cursor is not. So, for those types of controls that tabbing around simply won’t get you to, it can be very useful, as well as reading information that is not displayed in a field you can tab to and then move your regular cursor in with arrow keys.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 8:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: PDF conversion software, recommendations?

Tom Fairhurst
 

I am using version 14.
 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PDF conversion software, recommendations?
 

Hey Tom.

Can you make any comments about version numbers as far as accessibility is concerned?

Does everything still work as well as it used to?

Although it might not be supported by the company, I’ll still get an old version if I have to.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: April 22, 2019 3:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PDF conversion software, recommendations?

 

I use this program, and it works well.

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PDF conversion software, recommendations?

 

Hey Adrian.

I’ve heard great things about Abbyy Finereader. The software costs somewhere in the $200 US range and is a full-fledged commercial oCR package that is supposed to work well with JAWS except in some areas. I haven’t yet gotten around to giving it a try, though.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: April 21, 2019 6:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] PDF conversion software, recommendations?

 

I used to have Omega to perform OCR, but a Google search indicates it’s no longer as highly rated as it used to be. I’ve just experimented with a free PDF converter, but it can’t convert PDF images to text. Sometimes, PDF files contain lots of text captured as images, so that one is no good.

 

I see no need for OpenBook. A commercial application ought to be good enough, so long as it works well with JAWS.

 

Suggestions?

Re: jaws cursor

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Sandy,
 
When you're on a website and if you press, Insert + F9, this keystroke will bring up a list Frames on the page and you then arrow to them individually.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

something like columns then. I believe I’ve heard jaws say that a page has X number of frames before, but how does one go from one frame to another?
 
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 

A frame is like a window, but I think usually refers to content on webpages. Using frames, you can display multiple documents simultaneously, each in its own frame, and each with its own specifications (borders, colours, fonts, all that stuff)…all on the same screen/page.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 5:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

what are frames?

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:46 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Mike and list,

 

I didn’t complicate my original response to Sandy’s query with this added detail, but you can change the area of the screen covered by the JAWS cursor. Turn on the JAWS cursor, then press JAWS key+r. Each time you press this combo, you gain access to a different area, such as the current frame.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

It might not read the entire page but, it'll read a heck of a lot more of the page than the PC cursor.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so what you are saying is that since the pc cursor only reads, say for example half the width of a page, the jaws cursor will read the entire page

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:07 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Hi Sandy,

 

Maybe this'll help.  Let's say the PC cursor can only read a certain area of the screen, the Jaws cursor expands that area and reads the text outside the area that the PC cursor cannot access or read.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:18 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

no, I guess my simple mind just can’t understand different cursors, but thank you 

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:57 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Hi Sandy & Takis,

 

See if the following will help you understand the cursors a little better.

About JAWS Cursors

Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors.

These cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often directly

linked with Windows cursors.

 

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes

 

This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and applications.

This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving through

options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons.

As you type information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you

press.

If you are making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC Cursor

highlights the currently selected object.

The PC Cursor is activated by default when JAWS starts. If you are using a

different cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns you to the PC Cursor.

*Tip, If you are using the Jaws touch cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS twice

quickly returns you to the PC Cursor.

 

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer

 

The JAWS Cursor is linked to mouse pointer functions in Windows and other

applications.

It is used to read information the PC Cursor cannot read, such as toolbar

information.

The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when it is moved, and you

therefore have access to information in an application window that is beyond

the scope of the PC Cursor.

To activate the JAWS Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

 

The Invisible Cursor - Explore Without Moving Focus

 

The Invisible Cursor allows you to move around the screen without changing

the position of the PC Cursor or mouse pointer.

You can use this cursor to read text and access options that you cannot move

to with the PC Cursor.

You can also use the Invisible Cursor to provide a quick overview of the

information currently available on the screen.

To activate the Invisible Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS twice quickly.

 

The Touch Cursor - Object Navigation

 

The Touch Cursor enables you to navigate the Windows environment using a

touch screen, found on many tablet computers running Windows 8 or later.

*Tip, you do not need to have a touch screen to use the Jaws touch cursor.

To control JAWS from a touch screen, you will use one or more fingers to

perform various gestures directly on the screen, such as tapping, flicking,

and swiping.

When activated from the keyboard, you can use keystrokes to simulate touch

screen gestures to move through the objects in an application to access

information that is not readily accessible using the JAWS or PC Cursor.

The Touch Cursor is always available when navigating using a touch screen.

To activate the Touch Cursor from the keyboard, press SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS.

Tip, to change from using the touch cursor back to the PC cursor, press the

num pad plus, twice quickly to change back to the regular PC cursor.

 

 

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment The virtual PC Cursor mimics the

functions of the PC Cursor, but is activated by default when entering an

HTML document, such as a web page on the Internet.

The virtual PC Cursor speaks the number of elements on the page when it

first opens.

For instance, the number of links, headings, and regions.

You can use the ARROW keys to navigate and read the document, or use

Navigation Quick Keys to move to specific elements, such as paragraphs,

tables, or headings.

JAWS also reads graphics labeled by alt tags in the HTML code.

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:02 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019

Re: top posting

Sherry Wells
 

I agree with Alan. My sighted work colleagues preferred top posting too. In fact, there were many complaints whenever anyone did a bottom post. Sighted people too like the ease of just finding what they need at the top of the email.

Sherry Wells

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] top posting

Glenn,

I beg to differ with your statement that many if not most sighted folks prefer bottom posting. Back in my sighted work days, I certainly preferred top posting as did the majority of my co-workers. I'm sort of scratching my head wondering where you drew that conclusion since most want to get to a response as quickly as possible whether sighted or not and top posting yields the quickest response.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] top posting

Hi,
Many, if not most sighted folk prefer bottom posting.
To them, it makes sense.
Sighted folk can simply look past all the past info and glance down to the new information.
I think some Blind folk like to do this because they may feel that it normalizes them to some degree because most sighted users do this.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a screenreader user who prefers bottom-posting, because we are forced to reread the non-relevant information at the top.
Usually when we read a message of a particular thread, we have been following the thread and we just want to read the next reply and that is why I call that non-relevant.
And if we come into a thread late, it is no big deal to arrow down to discover what the above message was referring to.
I'm bringing this topic up because I have read some bottom-posted messages on this list in the past and the moderators prefer that we top-post.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


That may be so, but I am not in the habit of searching for a reply which should be at the top of the message, and nor should anyone else!
Refer to the list guidelines for proper posting practices.


Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon S" <koala@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


Hi, there was a message however it was right near the bottom.

Larry was commenting on the cost for his jaws compared to the price quoted for the other person.

Larry, the $90 offer is only available in US at the moment but they are hoping to at some stage open it up to all countries.

Hope this helps.
From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws

If you have something constructive to say, then say it, do not re-post what has already been said.

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Volk" <notseeman@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


On 4/21/19, John Gassman <johngassman@...> wrote:
If she lives in the United States, she can move from JAWS 14 to 2019
for just $90.00.
She'll be able to authorize it legally.
If she doesn't live here, she'll have to wait until the home annual
license is released world wide.
I hope that will be in the near future but so far no date has been
released.

John
At 07:37 AM 4/21/2019, you wrote:
I do not believe this is a question to be discussed on here as it goes
to copyright violation.

From: Kevin
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] activating jaws

I have a friend who is running windows 7 with jaws 14 installed.
Currently jaws 14 is set to startup when the computer does.
I gave her my old cd of jaws 17 with a valid authorization.
She has got jaws 17 installed but not
authorized so she is still using 14 and 17 is sitting on her computer.
My question is how can she authorize 17. She gets like oh no I have
no speech what do I do!
Basically because she doesn’


E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee


David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife
would have preferred.

JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification





Wow! Here in Canada it cost me more than $600.00 to go from JAWS 14 to 2019.

Re: top posting

Loy
 


None of my sighted friends ever respond with bottom posts.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] top posting

I agree with Alan.  My sighted work colleagues preferred top posting too.  In fact, there were many complaints whenever anyone did a bottom post.  Sighted people too like the ease of just finding what they need at the top of the email.

Sherry Wells

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] top posting

Glenn,

I beg to differ with your statement that many if not most sighted folks prefer bottom posting. Back in my sighted work days, I certainly preferred top posting as did the majority of my co-workers. I'm sort of scratching my head wondering where you drew that conclusion since most want to get to a response as quickly as possible whether sighted or not and top posting yields the quickest response.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] top posting

Hi,
Many, if not most sighted folk prefer bottom posting.
To them, it makes sense.
Sighted folk can simply look past all the past info and glance down to the new information.
I think some Blind folk like to do this because they may feel that it normalizes them to some degree because most sighted users do this.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a screenreader user who prefers bottom-posting, because we are forced to reread the non-relevant information at the top.
Usually when we read a message of a particular thread, we have been following the thread and we just want to read the next reply and that is why I call that non-relevant.
And if we come into a thread late, it is no big deal to arrow down to discover what the above message was referring to.
I'm bringing this topic up because I have read some bottom-posted messages on this list in the past and the moderators prefer that we top-post.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


That may be so, but I am not in the habit of searching for a reply which should be at the top of the message, and nor should anyone else!
Refer to the list guidelines for proper posting practices.


Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon S" <koala@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


Hi, there was a message however it was right near the bottom.

Larry was commenting on the cost for his jaws compared to the price quoted for the other person.

Larry, the $90 offer is only available in US at the moment but they are hoping to at some stage open it up to all countries.

Hope this helps.
From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws

If you have something constructive to say, then say it, do not re-post what has already been said.

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Volk" <notseeman@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


On 4/21/19, John Gassman <johngassman@...> wrote:
> If she lives in the United States, she can move from JAWS 14 to 2019
> for just $90.00.
> She'll be able to authorize it legally.
> If she doesn't live here, she'll have to wait until the home annual
> license is released world wide.
> I hope that will be in the near future but so far no date has been
> released.
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> John
>   At 07:37 AM 4/21/2019, you wrote:
>>I do not believe this is a question to be discussed on here as it goes
>>to copyright violation.
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>>From: Kevin
>>Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:10 PM
>>To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
>>Subject: [jaws-users] activating jaws
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>>I have a friend who is running windows 7 with jaws 14 installed.
>>Currently jaws 14 is set to startup when the computer  does.
>>I gave her my old cd of jaws 17 with a valid authorization.
>>She has got jaws 17 installed but not
>>authorized   so she is still using 14 and 17 is sitting on her computer.
>>My question is how can she authorize 17.  She gets like oh no I have
>>no speech what do I do!
>>Basically because she doesn’
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>>E-mail is golden!!!
>>Kevin Lee
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>>David Ferrin
>>Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife
>>would have preferred.
>>
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> JAWS Certified, 2014.
> http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification
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Wow! Here in Canada it cost me more than $600.00 to go from JAWS 14 to 2019.