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Re: read captcha

Alan Robbins
 

Dave,

 

I looked into this once but felt the few captchas that can’t be solved with audio didn’t warrant the cost.

How many of these do you feel you solve annually?

 

Al

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

Gerald,

 

Don't know why it works for me, and not others. I do pay the yearly fee, and I get consistent results.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 03:50

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

 

Then how come members of other lists have reported just the opposite?  They claim that they signed up with Captcha Be Gone for $36 a year only to discover that it does not work, and that its developer does not respond to email inquiries.  How come it works for you but not for anyone else? And how do you contact the developer if you decide to take a chance and sign up but can't get it to work and you want a refund?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/15/2019 11:07 PM, Dave... wrote:

Andy,


Yes, it still exists, and still works very well. The old crowd-sourcing-based version no longer works.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 19:02

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

Does it still exist?

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

I think Captcha be gone could probably help by solving it. 

 

Maria

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On Jan 15, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:

We've gone through this before, and I think someone on here gave me a
program to read captchas, but I can't find the e-mail. I've got an image I
need read to me.  Just fire off your best methods, and I'll pay a little
money if I have too.

Justin



Re: read captcha

Dave...
 


Al,
 
10 to 20 times per year. To me, it's not what it costs in dollars per captcha, but that I can solve one and move on with my life. So far, it's still cheaper than getting those AIRA glasses.
 
 
Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:54
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

Dave,

 

I looked into this once but felt the few captchas that can’t be solved with audio didn’t warrant the cost.

How many of these do you feel you solve annually?

 

Al

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

Gerald,

 

Don't know why it works for me, and not others. I do pay the yearly fee, and I get consistent results.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 03:50

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

 

Then how come members of other lists have reported just the opposite?  They claim that they signed up with Captcha Be Gone for $36 a year only to discover that it does not work, and that its developer does not respond to email inquiries.  How come it works for you but not for anyone else? And how do you contact the developer if you decide to take a chance and sign up but can't get it to work and you want a refund?  

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/15/2019 11:07 PM, Dave... wrote:

Andy,


Yes, it still exists, and still works very well. The old crowd-sourcing-based version no longer works.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 19:02

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

Does it still exist?

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Maria Reyes

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

I think Captcha be gone could probably help by solving it. 

 

Maria

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On Jan 15, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:

We've gone through this before, and I think someone on here gave me a
program to read captchas, but I can't find the e-mail. I've got an image I
need read to me.  Just fire off your best methods, and I'll pay a little
money if I have too.

Justin



Re: read captcha

Dave...
 

Gerald,

I thought that Webvisum was also a crowd-sourcing application. Did it
actually have an algorithm to detect the graphic and read it, like an
on-demand OCR?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:30
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha



I agree. I know Eric would probably dismiss these ideas out of hand.
But now that Webvisum is totally defunct, why couldn't the Vispero
software team get their hands on it and figure out the proprietary
algorithm that made it work and include it in JAWS? I don't think
Webvisum was ever copyrighted or patented, so there would be no
infringement. Or perhaps a captcha-solving solution similar to that
used by Rumola and Captcha Be Gone could be incorporated into JAWS,
whereby you submitted a screen shot of the captcha image to a sighted
operator who could solve it and return the result on the clipboard?
Vispero could enlist its own in-house staff, or else find willing
sighted volumteers, perhaps at some non-profit charitable agency. These
are by no means perfect solutions, but I think they are worth considering.


Gerald



On 1/16/2019 1:29 PM, cecropia64 wrote:
Gerald:


I think that is one great suggestion. I know that some users would
say it isn't for Sparrow to do this but I feel differently. Because
Jaws is all about accessibility for the blind, the wonderful capcha is
also accessibility. rather should i say "solving" capchas is an
accessibility issue too.


Stew

On 1/16/2019 1:09 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

This is fine if you own an IPhone or other smart phone. But what
about the rest of us for whom smart phones are either too expensive
or else difficult to impossible to master because of their
touchscreens? Now that there are no longer any captcha solving
programs out there that work consistently, if at all, maybe it's
finally time for the software development team at Vispero to give
this issue some very serious thought so that perhaps a
captcha-solving feature can be added to JAWS.


Gerald



On 1/16/2019 11:49 AM, LeDon wrote:
One thing that you can do is use be my eyes on your Iphone. The
volunteered
will tell you what you should do to activate that captcha. I find
the be my
eyes volunteers very willing to help you. This is a sighted help
solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io]
On Behalf
Of Justin Williams
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] read captcha

We've gone through this before, and I think someone on here gave me a
program to read captchas, but I can't find the e-mail. I've got an
image I
need read to me. Just fire off your best methods, and I'll pay a
little
money if I have too.

Justin











Re: read captcha

Andy
 

There may be legal issues involved.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <hamsteve64@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha


First, good luck getting Mr. Damry to include that as a feature. I
spoke with him personally about that a couple years ago; he said that
wasn't something they were considering to implement as part of Jaws.
I hope they will change their mind, but I'm not holding out hope.

Webvisum is probably dead although I keep an old version of Firefox
around just for that purpose, and it solved a captcha for me back
around Thanksgiving.

There are few options other than CaptchaBeGone, I think Rumola bit the
dust over a year ago. AIRA would work because that solution is nearly
instantaneous, but the prescription cost is likely out of most folks'
league.

Steve
Lansing, MI

On 1/16/19, cecropia64 <cecropia64@...> wrote:
Gerald:


I think that is one great suggestion. I know that some users would say
it isn't for Sparrow to do this but I feel differently. Because Jaws is
all about accessibility for the blind, the wonderful capcha is also
accessibility. rather should i say "solving" capchas is an
accessibility issue too.


Stew

On 1/16/2019 1:09 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

This is fine if you own an IPhone or other smart phone. But what
about the rest of us for whom smart phones are either too expensive or
else difficult to impossible to master because of their touchscreens?
Now that there are no longer any captcha solving programs out there
that work consistently, if at all, maybe it's finally time for the
software development team at Vispero to give this issue some very
serious thought so that perhaps a captcha-solving feature can be added
to JAWS.


Gerald



On 1/16/2019 11:49 AM, LeDon wrote:
One thing that you can do is use be my eyes on your Iphone. The
volunteered
will tell you what you should do to activate that captcha. I find the
be my
eyes volunteers very willing to help you. This is a sighted help
solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On
Behalf
Of Justin Williams
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] read captcha

We've gone through this before, and I think someone on here gave me a
program to read captchas, but I can't find the e-mail. I've got an
image I
need read to me. Just fire off your best methods, and I'll pay a little
money if I have too.

Justin











Re: read captcha

Gerald Levy
 

Nobody really knows how Webvisum actually worked because its developers were always very secretive.  Their web site mentioned something about a "proprietary algorithm", but provided no other details or explanation.  I don't think it worked the same way as Rumola or Captcha Be Gone.


Gerald

On 1/16/2019 3:12 PM, Dave... wrote:
Gerald,

I thought that Webvisum was also a crowd-sourcing application. Did it
actually have an algorithm to detect the graphic and read it, like an
on-demand OCR?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:30
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha



I agree. I know Eric would probably dismiss these ideas out of hand.
But now that Webvisum is totally defunct, why couldn't the Vispero
software team get their hands on it and figure out the proprietary
algorithm that made it work and include it in JAWS? I don't think
Webvisum was ever copyrighted or patented, so there would be no
infringement. Or perhaps a captcha-solving solution similar to that
used by Rumola and Captcha Be Gone could be incorporated into JAWS,
whereby you submitted a screen shot of the captcha image to a sighted
operator who could solve it and return the result on the clipboard?
Vispero could enlist its own in-house staff, or else find willing
sighted volumteers, perhaps at some non-profit charitable agency. These
are by no means perfect solutions, but I think they are worth considering.


Gerald



On 1/16/2019 1:29 PM, cecropia64 wrote:
Gerald:


I think that is one great suggestion. I know that some users would
say it isn't for Sparrow to do this but I feel differently. Because
Jaws is all about accessibility for the blind, the wonderful capcha is
also accessibility. rather should i say "solving" capchas is an
accessibility issue too.


Stew

On 1/16/2019 1:09 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
This is fine if you own an IPhone or other smart phone. But what
about the rest of us for whom smart phones are either too expensive
or else difficult to impossible to master because of their
touchscreens? Now that there are no longer any captcha solving
programs out there that work consistently, if at all, maybe it's
finally time for the software development team at Vispero to give
this issue some very serious thought so that perhaps a
captcha-solving feature can be added to JAWS.


Gerald



On 1/16/2019 11:49 AM, LeDon wrote:
One thing that you can do is use be my eyes on your Iphone. The
volunteered
will tell you what you should do to activate that captcha. I find
the be my
eyes volunteers very willing to help you. This is a sighted help
solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io]
On Behalf
Of Justin Williams
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] read captcha

We've gone through this before, and I think someone on here gave me a
program to read captchas, but I can't find the e-mail. I've got an
image I
need read to me. Just fire off your best methods, and I'll pay a
little
money if I have too.

Justin













Re: read captcha

Victor Gouveia
 

While the RECAPTCHA solution is one I whole heartedly recommend for sights that use that style of CAPTCHAs, I can also say that I am still using Webvisum successfully, and have been since it’s inception.
 
In fact, Webvisum just helped me solve a CAPTCHA image just the other day.
 
Granted, I have a really old version of Firefox and have not updated to any other version, since I only use it for sites where the CAPTCHAs are I don’t see any need to.
 
I really can’t understand how people are saying the service no longer works.
 
I think this may be a case where updating has had the affect we attribute to
Windows breaking accessibility, because by not updating, I’ve managed to keep using Webvisum successfully for several years with success.  There’s only been a few times I’ve had to re-send the CAPTCHA image more than once in all these years.
 
Victor
 

From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha
 

No service will solve 100% of the capcha’s.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

 

Unfortunately, neither Rumola nor Webvisum work any longer.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/16/2019 10:40 AM, Justin Williams wrote:

I just found the e-mail that said Rumola was also good.

Justin

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 11:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

Maria,

 

Correct. CaptchaBeGone is the way to go.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Maria Reyes

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 18:41

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

I think Captcha be gone could probably help by solving it. 

 

Maria

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On Jan 15, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:

We've gone through this before, and I think someone on here gave me a
program to read captchas, but I can't find the e-mail. I've got an image I
need read to me.  Just fire off your best methods, and I'll pay a little
money if I have too.

Justin




guest account

leonard morris
 

I have enabled guest account in the user account settings in Windows 7. the main account has a password. When the PC is rebooted and the main account logon screen appears, how does the guest account access the PC?

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Re: I am not a robot Check box on web page

Victor Gouveia
 

Hi Ron,
 
To which are you referring to?
 
If you’re referring to the RECAPTCHA service by Google, this is not browser specific, so whether you use Firefox, Chrome or Edge, it won’t matter, it’s associated with your Google account.
 
How it works, I don’t know, I just know that I find the checkbox checked every time I visit a page where that style of CAPTCHA is used.
 
If you’re referring to Webvisum, then I can’t say.  I’ve never heard of Waterfox, but I’ll read up on it.  To my knowledge, and from everyone’s posts, it would seem any version of Firefox past a certain point, Webvisum ceases to work properly.
 
As I have said, my version of Firefox is quite old, but seeing as how I don’t use it for anything other than solving CAPTCHAs, I don’t see the need to update it.  I don’t surf the net with it, I don’t usually download anything with it, and when I do, I use the standard insurances of scanning downloads before I open them, so, again, it’s not like I’ve ever had issue using Internet Explorer.
 
Victor
 

From: Ron Kolesar
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 2:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] I am not a robot Check box on web page
 
Victor, I’m currently using water fox for my default internet browser instead of IE 11 since the tech support for IE 11 will be dropped in 2020.
The web page to go down load water fox is at:
I’m also using WLM for my mail program.
Would it be possible to use the captcha program for those parameters?
Also, is it free since I’m on a limited once a month check?
Very Thankfully Yours:
Ron Kolesar Ham Radio Station KR3DOG-PA-WCECTM
 
From: Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 21:39
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] I am not a robot Check box on web page
 
So far, every site I’ve added has worked for me.
 
This includes several sites for my ISP and Cable company, cell phone provider and a host of others.
 
Victor
 
From: Maria Reyes
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] I am not a robot Check box on web page
 
so if you added it to your google profile would it work on any site that has a captcha or just google sites?

Maria
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On Jan 15, 2019, at 7:53 PM, Victor Gouveia <victor.gouveia@...> wrote:

Yes, Google or Gmail, it doesn’t matter, as long as you’re signed in with one so they have a profile to store the data to.
 
Honestly, I don’t know the difference between the two.
 
There used to be a difference back when Google Plus was around, but now, I’m not so sure.
 
Victor
 
From: Justin Williams
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:37 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] I am not a robot Check box on web page
 

You mean sign in with my google email account, right?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] I am not a robot Check box on web page

 

Hi Justin,

 

You can find out  about RECAPTCHA at the following link:

 

 

It will give you instructions on what it is, how to add sites to it for your own personal store and how you can bypass the process with the various versions.

 

You do have to sign in, so please do so before you proceed with any of the options.

 

Victor

From: Justin Williams

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:48 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] I am not a robot Check box on web page

 

I’ve just signed in to my gmail account.  Where is the google application I should download for getting past captchas.  I have an image capcha to get through.  It has the I am not a robot on there.

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 2:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] I am not a robot Check box on web page

 

Hi John,

 

If you have a Google account, sign into your Google account on all the browsers you use.

 

Once signed in, there is a Google application that by-passes the I am not a robot checkbox and fills it in for you.

 

You do have to add the sight into allowed sights Google should include, but once you have it set up, you should get by those types of robot detection tools quite quickly.

 

A faster way to get to the Google application is to hit the link found at the bottom of the page once you check the box that you are not a robot.

 

If it gives you that error and does not allow you to fill in the answer, or you are not able to select the audio CAPTCHA, there will be a link for more information as to why you’re getting the error.

 

It has to do with not having an updated something or other.

 

Regardless of the explanation, once you register the site, things will go smoothly from then on.

 

Victor

 

From: John R Vaughn

Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:44 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] I am not a robot Check box on web page

 

                List, I am trying to write my Congressman and one of the hurdles to write via E mail is to deal with a check box that “I am not a robot”

So I can fill out the form for an E-mail.

I have tried doing as jaws says, “use the space box to check or uncheck” but nothing happens.

I have also routed jaws to PC cursor which is on the checkbox and did the equivalent of a mouse click.

Any thoughts?

John

Can't hear jaws?

Kliph
 

Ok, get windows installed just fine, can hear all the windows chimes and sounds when it restarts and installs updates. But when I install jaws, nothing, my sister in-law reads me the screen to get everything setup, but still no jaws. Restarted, loaded and unloaded, but still nothing. She even checked the volume settings for me, everything is turned up and connected. What am I missing?

Re: guest account

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 


Hi Leonard,
 
This is not a Jaws related question so, please relate your post to Jaws otherwise it's not appropriate for this list.  Sorry but, refer to the guidelines.

Mike B, List Moderator
Jaws-Users-List.groups.io

----- Original Message -----

To: Jaws
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:25 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] guest account

I have enabled guest account in the user account settings in Windows 7.
the main account has a password. When the PC is rebooted and the main
account logon screen appears, how does the guest account access the PC?

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Re: Can't hear jaws?

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi Kliph,
 
It sounds like Jaws might be muted in the sound mixer or playback devices.  What version of Windows are you running and what version of Jaws?
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 2:30 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Can't hear jaws?

Ok, get windows installed just fine, can hear all the windows chimes and sounds when it restarts and installs updates.  But when I install jaws, nothing, my sister in-law reads me the screen to get everything setup, but still no jaws.  Restarted, loaded and unloaded, but still nothing.  She even checked the volume settings for me, everything is turned up and connected.  What am I missing?

Re: Can't hear jaws?

Adrian Spratt
 

Kliph,

As Mike B indicates, we need more information, but a few thoughts come to mind.

First, assuming you installed JAWS, did you set it to start each time your computer reboots? The checkbox for this option is in the JAWS menus, option, basics. Press enter on "Basics" and tab until you hear the option. Then be sure to tab to and press spacebar on "Okay."

Second, did you install Windows 10? If so, bring up Narrator, the Microsoft voice, with control-Windows key-enter. Then press Windows key-d to take you to the desktop. Press j for JAWS and you should land on the JAWS icon. Press enter here, and JAWS should start speaking. You'll then want to turn off Narrator with the same toggle key combo, control-Windows key-enter.

I hope this gets you started, but be sure to answer Mike's questions so you can get the most help here.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kliph via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Can't hear jaws?

Ok, get windows installed just fine, can hear all the windows chimes and sounds when it restarts and installs updates. But when I install jaws, nothing, my sister in-law reads me the screen to get everything setup, but still no jaws. Restarted, loaded and unloaded, but still nothing. She even checked the volume settings for me, everything is turned up and connected. What am I missing?

Re: Can't hear jaws?

Kliph
 

Jaws 2019 in Dimond mode, and windows 10 with latest updates.


On Jan 16, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Mike B. <mike9902@...> wrote:

Hi Kliph,
 
It sounds like Jaws might be muted in the sound mixer or playback devices.  What version of Windows are you running and what version of Jaws?
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action. 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 2:30 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Can't hear jaws?

Ok, get windows installed just fine, can hear all the windows chimes and sounds when it restarts and installs updates.  But when I install jaws, nothing, my sister in-law reads me the screen to get everything setup, but still no jaws.  Restarted, loaded and unloaded, but still nothing.  She even checked the volume settings for me, everything is turned up and connected.  What am I missing?


Re: read captcha

Glenn / Lenny
 

I don't know if it is the network someone is on, or what, but sometimes the audio captchas don't work, they give bogus audio.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

This advice has already been echoed yesterday, but here is the thing. These things are time sensitive so using Aira or Be My Eyes to me is not a good idea. If you are able to hear the audio challenge that should work unless you happen to be deaf blind or have a hearing imparment.

 

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From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> on behalf of LeDon <ledonb@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:49:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha
 
One thing that you can do is use be my eyes on your Iphone. The volunteered
will tell you what you should do to activate that captcha. I find the be my
eyes volunteers very willing to help you. This  is a sighted help solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Justin Williams
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] read captcha

We've gone through this before, and I think someone on here gave me a
program to read captchas, but I can't find the e-mail. I've got an image I
need read to me.  Just fire off your best methods, and I'll pay a little
money if I have too.

Justin







Re: read captcha

Glenn / Lenny
 

If we had a truly tactile display, we could solve them ourselves.
By truly tactile, I mean one the size of a screen that we could feel the
image on.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha



Nobody really knows how Webvisum actually worked because its developers
were always very secretive. Their web site mentioned something about a
"proprietary algorithm", but provided no other details or explanation.
I don't think it worked the same way as Rumola or Captcha Be Gone.


Gerald



On 1/16/2019 3:12 PM, Dave... wrote:
Gerald,

I thought that Webvisum was also a crowd-sourcing application. Did it
actually have an algorithm to detect the graphic and read it, like an
on-demand OCR?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:30
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha



I agree. I know Eric would probably dismiss these ideas out of hand.
But now that Webvisum is totally defunct, why couldn't the Vispero
software team get their hands on it and figure out the proprietary
algorithm that made it work and include it in JAWS? I don't think
Webvisum was ever copyrighted or patented, so there would be no
infringement. Or perhaps a captcha-solving solution similar to that
used by Rumola and Captcha Be Gone could be incorporated into JAWS,
whereby you submitted a screen shot of the captcha image to a sighted
operator who could solve it and return the result on the clipboard?
Vispero could enlist its own in-house staff, or else find willing
sighted volumteers, perhaps at some non-profit charitable agency. These
are by no means perfect solutions, but I think they are worth considering.


Gerald



On 1/16/2019 1:29 PM, cecropia64 wrote:
Gerald:


I think that is one great suggestion. I know that some users would
say it isn't for Sparrow to do this but I feel differently. Because
Jaws is all about accessibility for the blind, the wonderful capcha is
also accessibility. rather should i say "solving" capchas is an
accessibility issue too.


Stew

On 1/16/2019 1:09 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
This is fine if you own an IPhone or other smart phone. But what
about the rest of us for whom smart phones are either too expensive
or else difficult to impossible to master because of their
touchscreens? Now that there are no longer any captcha solving
programs out there that work consistently, if at all, maybe it's
finally time for the software development team at Vispero to give
this issue some very serious thought so that perhaps a
captcha-solving feature can be added to JAWS.


Gerald



On 1/16/2019 11:49 AM, LeDon wrote:
One thing that you can do is use be my eyes on your Iphone. The
volunteered
will tell you what you should do to activate that captcha. I find
the be my
eyes volunteers very willing to help you. This is a sighted help
solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io]
On Behalf
Of Justin Williams
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] read captcha

We've gone through this before, and I think someone on here gave me a
program to read captchas, but I can't find the e-mail. I've got an
image I
need read to me. Just fire off your best methods, and I'll pay a
little
money if I have too.

Justin














Re: Can't hear jaws?

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Diamond mode? WTH is that?

 

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From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> on behalf of Kliph via Groups.Io <kliphnsharrie.sr@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 7:06:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Can't hear jaws?
 
Jaws 2019 in Dimond mode, and windows 10 with latest updates.


On Jan 16, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Mike B. <mike9902@...> wrote:

Hi Kliph,
 
It sounds like Jaws might be muted in the sound mixer or playback devices.  What version of Windows are you running and what version of Jaws?
Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action. 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 2:30 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Can't hear jaws?

Ok, get windows installed just fine, can hear all the windows chimes and sounds when it restarts and installs updates.  But when I install jaws, nothing, my sister in-law reads me the screen to get everything setup, but still no jaws.  Restarted, loaded and unloaded, but still nothing.  She even checked the volume settings for me, everything is turned up and connected.  What am I missing?


jaws2019 and free office mobile apps

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

With jaws2019, the free Microsoft office mobile apps do not work good at all. Should I just uninstall them and buy and install office? Or in the meantime just use google docs sheets and slides? I hope you come out with a jaws update that allows the free Microsoft office mobile apps that came with my RCA cambio tablet to work correctly.

 

Josh

 

 

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Re: Can't hear jaws?

Kurt Miller
 

He ment demo. He just misspelled it.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Can't hear jaws?

 

Diamond mode? WTH is that?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> on behalf of Kliph via Groups.Io <kliphnsharrie.sr@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 7:06:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Can't hear jaws?

 

Jaws 2019 in Dimond mode, and windows 10 with latest updates.

 



On Jan 16, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Mike B. <mike9902@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kliph,

 

It sounds like Jaws might be muted in the sound mixer or playback devices.  What version of Windows are you running and what version of Jaws?

Take care.  Go Rams!
Sent from my iBarstool.
The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 2:30 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Can't hear jaws?

 

Ok, get windows installed just fine, can hear all the windows chimes and sounds when it restarts and installs updates.  But when I install jaws, nothing, my sister in-law reads me the screen to get everything setup, but still no jaws.  Restarted, loaded and unloaded, but still nothing.  She even checked the volume settings for me, everything is turned up and connected.  What am I missing?

 

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Re: touchschreen )was read captcha)

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi all,

I have bought at my tech’s suggestion a Huawei Y7 pro, and though I like the machine, I too find it difficult to deal with the touch screen, mainly because I have little control as to where I am tapping rather than understand the screen’s layout, which changes frequently though. So,  resorting to get a portable keyboard, I fully sympathize with those, among our group, who are in favor of a better solution for solving captchas. I would thus, also give my wholehearted support if Vispero would address this issue with jaws.

                                                            Greetings from Ioannina with a temperature of c-6. Takis

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 

Yo Gerald I’d bring this issue up to the table by emailing support or joining us on the next FS Cast Live whenever they announce the one for January. A touch screen is not hard to master, but that’s for another list/forum.

 

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From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> on behalf of Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:09:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha

 


This is fine if you own an IPhone or other  smart phone.  But what about
the rest of us for whom smart phones are either too expensive or else
difficult to impossible to master because of their touchscreens?  Now
that there are no longer any captcha solving programs out there that
work consistently, if at all, maybe it's finally time for the software
development team at Vispero to give this issue some very serious thought
so that perhaps a captcha-solving feature can be added to JAWS.


Gerald



On 1/16/2019 11:49 AM, LeDon wrote:
> One thing that you can do is use be my eyes on your Iphone. The volunteered
> will tell you what you should do to activate that captcha. I find the be my
> eyes volunteers very willing to help you. This  is a sighted help solution.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
> Of Justin Williams
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:01 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
> Subject: [jaws-users] read captcha
>
> We've gone through this before, and I think someone on here gave me a
> program to read captchas, but I can't find the e-mail. I've got an image I
> need read to me.  Just fire off your best methods, and I'll pay a little
> money if I have too.
>
> Justin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: read captcha

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

However this would exclude all of us outside the US.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] read captcha


I agree. I know Eric would probably dismiss these ideas out of hand.
But now that Webvisum is totally defunct, why couldn't the Vispero
software team get their hands on it and figure out the proprietary
algorithm that made it work and include it in JAWS? I don't think
Webvisum was ever copyrighted or patented, so there would be no
infringement. Or perhaps a captcha-solving solution similar to that
used by Rumola and Captcha Be Gone could be incorporated into JAWS,
whereby you submitted a screen shot of the captcha image to a sighted
operator who could solve it and return the result on the clipboard?
Vispero could enlist its own in-house staff, or else find willing
sighted volumteers, perhaps at some non-profit charitable agency. These
are by no means perfect solutions, but I think they are worth considering.


Gerald



On 1/16/2019 1:29 PM, cecropia64 wrote:
Gerald:


I think that is one great suggestion. I know that some users would
say it isn't for Sparrow to do this but I feel differently. Because
Jaws is all about accessibility for the blind, the wonderful capcha is
also accessibility. rather should i say "solving" capchas is an
accessibility issue too.


Stew

On 1/16/2019 1:09 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

This is fine if you own an IPhone or other smart phone. But what
about the rest of us for whom smart phones are either too expensive
or else difficult to impossible to master because of their
touchscreens? Now that there are no longer any captcha solving
programs out there that work consistently, if at all, maybe it's
finally time for the software development team at Vispero to give
this issue some very serious thought so that perhaps a
captcha-solving feature can be added to JAWS.


Gerald



On 1/16/2019 11:49 AM, LeDon wrote:
One thing that you can do is use be my eyes on your Iphone. The
volunteered
will tell you what you should do to activate that captcha. I find
the be my
eyes volunteers very willing to help you. This is a sighted help
solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io]
On Behalf
Of Justin Williams
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] read captcha

We've gone through this before, and I think someone on here gave me a
program to read captchas, but I can't find the e-mail. I've got an
image I
need read to me. Just fire off your best methods, and I'll pay a
little
money if I have too.

Justin