Date   
Re: Creating an Icon on Desktop

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Michele,
 
Try 1st letter navigation by pressing the letter, G, and if that doesn't work you'll need to navigate the desktop by going up and down the lists of icons 1 at a time.  What operating system and version of Jaws are you running?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk about it. 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:32 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] Creating an Icon on Desktop

Hi listers.  How do I ensure that Google Chrome is on my desktop?  I’ve created a shortcut for it, but JAWS doesn’t seem to be able to locate the icon on the desktop.  I  want to make sure it’s there, just in case I forget the shortcut.

 

Thanks.

 

Michele

Re: jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

Adrian Spratt
 

Yes. Although it wasn’t there when I arrowed down through the quick settings options, it appeared when I typed “forms” into the search field.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Making changes with the forms mode is definitely available using the jaws quick settings in google chrome.

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 9:59 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Mike,

 

At the risk of muddying things a little more, I don’t find the “forms mode” options in JAWS quick settings for Chrome. I’m guessing I made the change for Chrome in the main settings center, probably following similar steps to those you detailed. Right now, I don’t recall. I don’t know why these steps are available in quick settings for IE and not Chrome.

 

While I’m posting, I want to take issue with those who say there’s no real difference between IE and Chrome. Actually, Chrome’s menu structure is very different from IE and takes some getting used to. Firefox’s menus are different again, on top of the fact that Firefox periodically has accessibility problems. It’s true that the same navigation and other commands work across the board, which is a good thing. But the differing menu structures could be intimidating to a JAWS user who relies on the computer for certain limited purposes and doesn’t feel confident about learning new applications.

 

However, if Miriam is ever forced to switch to Chrome, she knows she has an army of thoughtful and willing advisors on this list.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 8:55 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Hi Miriam, Adrian & List,

 

I'm terribly sorry for what I stated yesterday that if you change the Forms mode settings in Settings Center default all applications that it would effect all browsers.  That was totally wrong and I do apologize.  Miriam, if you follow the easy to follow steps Adrian posted yesterday evening that will be the easiest way to change Forms mode settings.  Also, if you happen to need to use a different browser you can make the same Forms mode settings change in those browsers following the same steps.  Again my apologies for posting that wrong information.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk about it. 

----- Original Message -----

From: Miriam Vieni

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 10:48 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Yes, that worked beautifully.

 

And yes, I’m beginning to think that I’d like to be able to go into forms mode when I choose, rather than automatically. But if I’m going to change, I need step by step directions like Rebecca gives me because

  1. I’m old and my mind isn’t as agile as it was and
  2. . Even when I was younger, I wasn’t good at this stuff.

When I had some vision, I’d print up emails with direction and read them step by step under my CCTV. Now, I read the emails, writing each step out in braille, and then I follow the directions, one step at a time.

 

I suppose because of the typical short term memory loss that happens when one ages, I can’t keep the steps in my mind.

 

Miriam  

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 1:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Miriam, again, try pressing the PC cursor key twice quickly when this happens. I figured you had forms mode set to automatic. You shouldn’t have to change that setting if this is the only problem you’re experiencing with it.

For the record, I find having forms mode set to manual makes navigation easier, but each of us has our own experience to guide us. You’ll find the options in JAWS quick settings, JAWS key+v, while you’re in your browser’s window.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 9:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

I had it set to turn the forms mode on automatically before, but this never happened before. Also, the person who was supposed to be helping me and who had to leave, told me it was best to remove the previous version because with Jaws 2019, I didn’t need the previous versions. I wasn’t comfortable with that, but I assumed, at that point, that he knew more than I did.

 

Miriam

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Hi Miriam,

 

It sounds like your, Forms Mode, is set to turn on automatically when you come to an edit field.  I don't know what setting you prefer, but if you only want the Forms Mode to open when you want it to, let the list know and someone can provide steps.  Or, steps can be provided to transfer your settings from your previous version into this newer Jaws version, if possible depending on which Jaws version you were running previously and if it's still installed.  Transferring your settings would probably be your best option, if possible.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk about it. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 8:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Try pressing the PC cursor twice quickly.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:35 PM
To: jaws users list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

There's a newsletter called Truthout and toward the end of each article, there's a kind of insert where the reader is told that he or she can receive a daily summary by filling out the following form. There's then a place for one's email address and , if I remember correctly, a sign up button. Before my calamitous move to Jaws 2019, I was able to just arrow through that form quickly and resume reading the rest of the article which continues underneath it. Now, I can't do that any longer. I'm stuck there. I can't go back above it and use insert 2 to just read everything. I can't get to the bottom of the article and arrow up. Does anyone have a suggestion?

Another issue, Jaws is set at intermediate verbosity, where it was before. I often copy articles and post them on the Blind Democracy list. I have a routine way of doing that. I've copied the article into the message. I then go to the top of the message where the title is, copy the title, and shift tab once to the subject line where I paste the title. I can still do that.
However, Jaws is not saying shift tab as it did before. It says nothing when I press those 2 keys in that situation.

Another thing it has stopped doing, it doesn't tell me that I'm in the original message after I've replied to a message. I can find out, but it almost never tells me that automatically.

Perhaps this is all just a punishment for still having a Windows 7 computer?

Miriam

Re: jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

Adrian Spratt
 

Ah. Thanks.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Hi Adrian,

 

The Virtual Cursor options folder needs to be opened to find the Forms options.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk about it. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 6:58 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Mike,

 

At the risk of muddying things a little more, I don’t find the “forms mode” options in JAWS quick settings for Chrome. I’m guessing I made the change for Chrome in the main settings center, probably following similar steps to those you detailed. Right now, I don’t recall. I don’t know why these steps are available in quick settings for IE and not Chrome.

 

While I’m posting, I want to take issue with those who say there’s no real difference between IE and Chrome. Actually, Chrome’s menu structure is very different from IE and takes some getting used to. Firefox’s menus are different again, on top of the fact that Firefox periodically has accessibility problems. It’s true that the same navigation and other commands work across the board, which is a good thing. But the differing menu structures could be intimidating to a JAWS user who relies on the computer for certain limited purposes and doesn’t feel confident about learning new applications.

 

However, if Miriam is ever forced to switch to Chrome, she knows she has an army of thoughtful and willing advisors on this list.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 8:55 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Hi Miriam, Adrian & List,

 

I'm terribly sorry for what I stated yesterday that if you change the Forms mode settings in Settings Center default all applications that it would effect all browsers.  That was totally wrong and I do apologize.  Miriam, if you follow the easy to follow steps Adrian posted yesterday evening that will be the easiest way to change Forms mode settings.  Also, if you happen to need to use a different browser you can make the same Forms mode settings change in those browsers following the same steps.  Again my apologies for posting that wrong information.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk about it. 

----- Original Message -----

From: Miriam Vieni

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 10:48 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Yes, that worked beautifully.

 

And yes, I’m beginning to think that I’d like to be able to go into forms mode when I choose, rather than automatically. But if I’m going to change, I need step by step directions like Rebecca gives me because

  1. I’m old and my mind isn’t as agile as it was and
  2. . Even when I was younger, I wasn’t good at this stuff.

When I had some vision, I’d print up emails with direction and read them step by step under my CCTV. Now, I read the emails, writing each step out in braille, and then I follow the directions, one step at a time.

 

I suppose because of the typical short term memory loss that happens when one ages, I can’t keep the steps in my mind.

 

Miriam  

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 1:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Miriam, again, try pressing the PC cursor key twice quickly when this happens. I figured you had forms mode set to automatic. You shouldn’t have to change that setting if this is the only problem you’re experiencing with it.

For the record, I find having forms mode set to manual makes navigation easier, but each of us has our own experience to guide us. You’ll find the options in JAWS quick settings, JAWS key+v, while you’re in your browser’s window.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 9:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

I had it set to turn the forms mode on automatically before, but this never happened before. Also, the person who was supposed to be helping me and who had to leave, told me it was best to remove the previous version because with Jaws 2019, I didn’t need the previous versions. I wasn’t comfortable with that, but I assumed, at that point, that he knew more than I did.

 

Miriam

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Hi Miriam,

 

It sounds like your, Forms Mode, is set to turn on automatically when you come to an edit field.  I don't know what setting you prefer, but if you only want the Forms Mode to open when you want it to, let the list know and someone can provide steps.  Or, steps can be provided to transfer your settings from your previous version into this newer Jaws version, if possible depending on which Jaws version you were running previously and if it's still installed.  Transferring your settings would probably be your best option, if possible.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk about it. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 8:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Try pressing the PC cursor twice quickly.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:35 PM
To: jaws users list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

There's a newsletter called Truthout and toward the end of each article, there's a kind of insert where the reader is told that he or she can receive a daily summary by filling out the following form. There's then a place for one's email address and , if I remember correctly, a sign up button. Before my calamitous move to Jaws 2019, I was able to just arrow through that form quickly and resume reading the rest of the article which continues underneath it. Now, I can't do that any longer. I'm stuck there. I can't go back above it and use insert 2 to just read everything. I can't get to the bottom of the article and arrow up. Does anyone have a suggestion?

Another issue, Jaws is set at intermediate verbosity, where it was before. I often copy articles and post them on the Blind Democracy list. I have a routine way of doing that. I've copied the article into the message. I then go to the top of the message where the title is, copy the title, and shift tab once to the subject line where I paste the title. I can still do that.
However, Jaws is not saying shift tab as it did before. It says nothing when I press those 2 keys in that situation.

Another thing it has stopped doing, it doesn't tell me that I'm in the original message after I've replied to a message. I can find out, but it almost never tells me that automatically.

Perhaps this is all just a punishment for still having a Windows 7 computer?

Miriam

Re: jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

LeDon
 

I understand your reticence to use these steps to solve your problem. As I aged my ability to remember steps that I want to take to solve a problem have been greatly reduced . At 80 I find that I have a problem of remembering just more than 3 things that I want to do, let alone 7 steps. So I feel your pain and don’t know what I would do without my family helping me do  any more than the simplest things. I too am worried sick that I might mess up and screw up my computer then where would I be? But I suppose what you may need to do is to print out these directions and have someone read them to you as you do each step. At least that is what I would have to do if it were me. I understand that that might not work for you. I used to use IE and didn’t want to change, but people kept telling me that it was the thing I should do, so, reluctantly , I switched to Chrome. Now since I really don’t do very many things I found that Chrome wasn’t that bad. It works well while downloading books from Bard. But I don’t like where it saves the favorites. With IE favorites were saved in a file in your documents folder. Not so with Chrome. It keeps favorites with in its self. When I worked that out, I found it not too troublesome. Now I know that this email has not gone very far to help you feel better about solving your problem. But since I have read so many of your emails and have exchanged a few comments with you  , I almost feel that you are my friend. And I just wanted to give you a little encouragement and understanding. I don’t know if this has helped even a little bit, but I hope it has. Hang in there, your email friend,

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 8:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Mike,

 

This sounds rather complicated and if I mess up, I’ll be in a lot of trouble, especially with those sounds. I do appreciate these wonderful directions and I will hold onto them, but think some more before attempting them.

 

Miriam

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 8:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Hi Miriam,

 

Here are steps to turn off Forms Mode, or to say it correctly, put Forms Mode into Manual mode.

 

Try the following; 

 

1. Insert + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard, to open the Settings Center.

 

2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Jaws Settings Center Default All Applications.

 

3. Arrow down to Forms Mode, right arrow to open.

 

4. Arrow down 1 time, use the spacebar to toggle through these 3 choices auto, Semi Auto and Manual.  When you hear Jaws report, Manual, stop pressing the spacebar since this is the setting you want.

 

5. Arrow down 2 times to, Manual Forms Mode Settings, right arrow to open.

 

6. Arrow down 1 time to, Disable Forms Mode when a New page loads, & press the spacebar to check this box.

 

7. You can arrow down to Forms Mode Sounds, right arrow to open, & select sounds for when forms mode opens / closes if you desire.  If you would like steps for this let the list know and I'll type them up.

 

8. After you're finished making your changes tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab to okay, press, Enter, to save your changes & close. 

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk about it. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 10:48 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Yes, that worked beautifully.

 

And yes, I’m beginning to think that I’d like to be able to go into forms mode when I choose, rather than automatically. But if I’m going to change, I need step by step directions like Rebecca gives me because

  1. I’m old and my mind isn’t as agile as it was and
  2. . Even when I was younger, I wasn’t good at this stuff.

When I had some vision, I’d print up emails with direction and read them step by step under my CCTV. Now, I read the emails, writing each step out in braille, and then I follow the directions, one step at a time.

 

I suppose because of the typical short term memory loss that happens when one ages, I can’t keep the steps in my mind.

 

Miriam  

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 1:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Miriam, again, try pressing the PC cursor key twice quickly when this happens. I figured you had forms mode set to automatic. You shouldn’t have to change that setting if this is the only problem you’re experiencing with it.

For the record, I find having forms mode set to manual makes navigation easier, but each of us has our own experience to guide us. You’ll find the options in JAWS quick settings, JAWS key+v, while you’re in your browser’s window.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 9:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

I had it set to turn the forms mode on automatically before, but this never happened before. Also, the person who was supposed to be helping me and who had to leave, told me it was best to remove the previous version because with Jaws 2019, I didn’t need the previous versions. I wasn’t comfortable with that, but I assumed, at that point, that he knew more than I did.

 

Miriam

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Hi Miriam,

 

It sounds like your, Forms Mode, is set to turn on automatically when you come to an edit field.  I don't know what setting you prefer, but if you only want the Forms Mode to open when you want it to, let the list know and someone can provide steps.  Or, steps can be provided to transfer your settings from your previous version into this newer Jaws version, if possible depending on which Jaws version you were running previously and if it's still installed.  Transferring your settings would probably be your best option, if possible.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk about it. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 8:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Try pressing the PC cursor twice quickly.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:35 PM
To: jaws users list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

There's a newsletter called Truthout and toward the end of each article, there's a kind of insert where the reader is told that he or she can receive a daily summary by filling out the following form. There's then a place for one's email address and , if I remember correctly, a sign up button. Before my calamitous move to Jaws 2019, I was able to just arrow through that form quickly and resume reading the rest of the article which continues underneath it. Now, I can't do that any longer. I'm stuck there. I can't go back above it and use insert 2 to just read everything. I can't get to the bottom of the article and arrow up. Does anyone have a suggestion?

Another issue, Jaws is set at intermediate verbosity, where it was before. I often copy articles and post them on the Blind Democracy list. I have a routine way of doing that. I've copied the article into the message. I then go to the top of the message where the title is, copy the title, and shift tab once to the subject line where I paste the title. I can still do that.
However, Jaws is not saying shift tab as it did before. It says nothing when I press those 2 keys in that situation.

Another thing it has stopped doing, it doesn't tell me that I'm in the original message after I've replied to a message. I can find out, but it almost never tells me that automatically.

Perhaps this is all just a punishment for still having a Windows 7 computer?

Miriam

Re: google

Marie
 

If you are speaking of Google Chrome, I have had a few crashes with the latest update to Chrome using Jaws 2019. In the past, this has happened briefly with new Chrome updates and usually fixed by FS quickly so I would wait and see.
 

From: Holger Fiallo
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 10:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] google
 
Google is not responding and tends to crash jaws 2019. I have to turn on narratorto close google and open jaws. Anyone else is having issue?????? 

Holger Fiallo

forms mode, my current solution

Miriam Vieni
 

So after everyone's help and suggestions, when I returned home from my
audiologist's appointment, I used Adrian's directions, but I chose semi
automatic rather than manual, after having read Rebecca's latest message. I
was really afraid to try something that has become very unfamiliar, and I
suspected that probably, my setting in Jaws 2018 had been semi automatic.
After I used the quick settings, I went to a Truthout article and as I
suspected, I had no problem with getting past the sign up form in the middle
of each article.

Can I assume that this quick setting is permanent and will be there if the
computer is turned off and on again?

Miriam

Re: google

Holger Fiallo
 

Yes.
 

From: Marie
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] google
 
If you are speaking of Google Chrome, I have had a few crashes with the latest update to Chrome using Jaws 2019. In the past, this has happened briefly with new Chrome updates and usually fixed by FS quickly so I would wait and see.
 
From: Holger Fiallo
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 10:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] google
 
Google is not responding and tends to crash jaws 2019. I have to turn on narratorto close google and open jaws. Anyone else is having issue?????? 

Holger Fiallo

Re: jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

Miriam Vieni
 

LeDon,

 

Well, I’m 81 and yes, short term memory loss is surely a problem which is magnified when one is blind. So I had 2 options. Luckily, I know how to read and write braille, a skill I learned in my twenties. I’m not expert at it, but it surely helps for taking notes and that’s what I’ve been doing with these directions. Six and more months ago, when I had useable vision, I printed up the email directions and read them under my CCTV. The other option is recording Jaws reading the email on my VR Stream. However, that involved getting all sorts of directions about how to control the recording volume and getting that set up was taking more time than the time taken up by writing a summary of the directions in braille. Unfortunately, my sighted children have little spare time and perhaps even less patience than time. (smile)

 

Miriam

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of LeDon
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

I understand your reticence to use these steps to solve your problem. As I aged my ability to remember steps that I want to take to solve a problem have been greatly reduced . At 80 I find that I have a problem of remembering just more than 3 things that I want to do, let alone 7 steps. So I feel your pain and don’t know what I would do without my family helping me do  any more than the simplest things. I too am worried sick that I might mess up and screw up my computer then where would I be? But I suppose what you may need to do is to print out these directions and have someone read them to you as you do each step. At least that is what I would have to do if it were me. I understand that that might not work for you. I used to use IE and didn’t want to change, but people kept telling me that it was the thing I should do, so, reluctantly , I switched to Chrome. Now since I really don’t do very many things I found that Chrome wasn’t that bad. It works well while downloading books from Bard. But I don’t like where it saves the favorites. With IE favorites were saved in a file in your documents folder. Not so with Chrome. It keeps favorites with in its self. When I worked that out, I found it not too troublesome. Now I know that this email has not gone very far to help you feel better about solving your problem. But since I have read so many of your emails and have exchanged a few comments with you  , I almost feel that you are my friend. And I just wanted to give you a little encouragement and understanding. I don’t know if this has helped even a little bit, but I hope it has. Hang in there, your email friend,

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 8:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Mike,

 

This sounds rather complicated and if I mess up, I’ll be in a lot of trouble, especially with those sounds. I do appreciate these wonderful directions and I will hold onto them, but think some more before attempting them.

 

Miriam

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 8:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Hi Miriam,

 

Here are steps to turn off Forms Mode, or to say it correctly, put Forms Mode into Manual mode.

 

Try the following; 

 

1. Insert + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard, to open the Settings Center.

 

2. Press, Control, Shift, + D, to open Jaws Settings Center Default All Applications.

 

3. Arrow down to Forms Mode, right arrow to open.

 

4. Arrow down 1 time, use the spacebar to toggle through these 3 choices auto, Semi Auto and Manual.  When you hear Jaws report, Manual, stop pressing the spacebar since this is the setting you want.

 

5. Arrow down 2 times to, Manual Forms Mode Settings, right arrow to open.

 

6. Arrow down 1 time to, Disable Forms Mode when a New page loads, & press the spacebar to check this box.

 

7. You can arrow down to Forms Mode Sounds, right arrow to open, & select sounds for when forms mode opens / closes if you desire.  If you would like steps for this let the list know and I'll type them up.

 

8. After you're finished making your changes tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab to okay, press, Enter, to save your changes & close. 

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk about it. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 10:48 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Yes, that worked beautifully.

 

And yes, I’m beginning to think that I’d like to be able to go into forms mode when I choose, rather than automatically. But if I’m going to change, I need step by step directions like Rebecca gives me because

  1. I’m old and my mind isn’t as agile as it was and
  2. . Even when I was younger, I wasn’t good at this stuff.

When I had some vision, I’d print up emails with direction and read them step by step under my CCTV. Now, I read the emails, writing each step out in braille, and then I follow the directions, one step at a time.

 

I suppose because of the typical short term memory loss that happens when one ages, I can’t keep the steps in my mind.

 

Miriam  

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 1:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Miriam, again, try pressing the PC cursor key twice quickly when this happens. I figured you had forms mode set to automatic. You shouldn’t have to change that setting if this is the only problem you’re experiencing with it.

For the record, I find having forms mode set to manual makes navigation easier, but each of us has our own experience to guide us. You’ll find the options in JAWS quick settings, JAWS key+v, while you’re in your browser’s window.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 9:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

I had it set to turn the forms mode on automatically before, but this never happened before. Also, the person who was supposed to be helping me and who had to leave, told me it was best to remove the previous version because with Jaws 2019, I didn’t need the previous versions. I wasn’t comfortable with that, but I assumed, at that point, that he knew more than I did.

 

Miriam

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Hi Miriam,

 

It sounds like your, Forms Mode, is set to turn on automatically when you come to an edit field.  I don't know what setting you prefer, but if you only want the Forms Mode to open when you want it to, let the list know and someone can provide steps.  Or, steps can be provided to transfer your settings from your previous version into this newer Jaws version, if possible depending on which Jaws version you were running previously and if it's still installed.  Transferring your settings would probably be your best option, if possible.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk about it. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 8:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

 

Try pressing the PC cursor twice quickly.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:35 PM
To: jaws users list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws stops reading article because of an edit field

There's a newsletter called Truthout and toward the end of each article, there's a kind of insert where the reader is told that he or she can receive a daily summary by filling out the following form. There's then a place for one's email address and , if I remember correctly, a sign up button. Before my calamitous move to Jaws 2019, I was able to just arrow through that form quickly and resume reading the rest of the article which continues underneath it. Now, I can't do that any longer. I'm stuck there. I can't go back above it and use insert 2 to just read everything. I can't get to the bottom of the article and arrow up. Does anyone have a suggestion?

Another issue, Jaws is set at intermediate verbosity, where it was before. I often copy articles and post them on the Blind Democracy list. I have a routine way of doing that. I've copied the article into the message. I then go to the top of the message where the title is, copy the title, and shift tab once to the subject line where I paste the title. I can still do that.
However, Jaws is not saying shift tab as it did before. It says nothing when I press those 2 keys in that situation.

Another thing it has stopped doing, it doesn't tell me that I'm in the original message after I've replied to a message. I can find out, but it almost never tells me that automatically.

Perhaps this is all just a punishment for still having a Windows 7 computer?

Miriam

Re: forms mode, my current solution

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Miriam,
 
The settings should stay the way you set them, but if by some chance they don't, reset it and reboot the computer to see what happens.  If they don't stick let the list know and we'll see what we can do to help.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk about it. 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:02 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] forms mode, my current solution

So after everyone's help and suggestions, when I returned home from my
audiologist's appointment, I used Adrian's directions, but I chose semi
automatic rather than manual, after having read Rebecca's latest message. I
was really afraid to try something that has become very unfamiliar, and I
suspected that probably, my setting in Jaws 2018 had been semi automatic.
After I used the quick settings, I went to a Truthout article and as I
suspected, I had no problem with getting past the sign up form in the middle
of each article.

Can I assume that this quick setting is permanent and will be there if the
computer is turned off and on again?

Miriam



Weather Wunderground

Pastor Gil Pries
 

Hi,

Just wanted you to know that the Weather Wunderground mobile site is back up and running.

 

Pastor Gil

Re: Weather Wunderground

Miriam Vieni
 

That’s great to hear. Thank you.

 

Miriam

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 5:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Weather Wunderground

 

Hi,

Just wanted you to know that the Weather Wunderground mobile site is back up and running.

 

Pastor Gil

Re: Weather Wunderground

Dave...
 

Pastor, you must have some strong pull.

Dave


On Jun 10, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Pastor Gil Pries <gilp@...> wrote:

Hi,

Just wanted you to know that the Weather Wunderground mobile site is back up and running.

 

Pastor Gil

Re: Weather Wunderground

Glenn / Lenny
 

Could someone send me a link?
I thought it was gone for good.
Thanks.

Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Weather Wunderground

That’s great to hear. Thank you.

 

Miriam

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 5:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Weather Wunderground

 

Hi,

Just wanted you to know that the Weather Wunderground mobile site is back up and running.

 

Pastor Gil

I too finally can't read a pdf file.

Ron Kolesar
 

Hi to my fellow JAWS users.
I'm running win 10 and JAWS 2019.
Just tried to open a pdf file from my local YMCA.
No lock.
Any and all advice will be deeply appreciated.
Many Thanks.
Ron KR3DOG-PA-WCECTM
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,
From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG-PA-WCECTM
Pennsylvania West County Emergency Com-Tree Manager

Weather Underground (Mobile)

Pastor Gil Pries
 

Weather underground.

Ron Kolesar
 

Could someone ship me a link to down load this and install it onto my windows 10 pc.
Many Thanks.
Ron KR3DOG-PA-WCECTM
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes,
From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG-PA-WCECTM
Pennsylvania West County Emergency Com-Tree Manager

Re: Weather Underground (Mobile)

Glenn / Lenny
 

Ah thanks.
I thought you were referring to the Braille Wunderground page.
I've been using the mobile wunderground site, and I'm still missing the Braille one.
I guess that's now history as I had already thought.
Thanks though.
Glenn

Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 5:29 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Weather Underground (Mobile)

Here it is.

Pastor Gil

https://wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?brand=mobile&query=
89015



Re: I too finally can't read a pdf file.

Van Lant, Robin
 

Go to edit preferences, then to security enhance, and uncheck the box that says to open in protected view. Fixed the problem for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Kolesar
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 4:30 PM
To: JAWS User's Mailing List <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] I too finally can't read a pdf file.

Hi to my fellow JAWS users.
I'm running win 10 and JAWS 2019.
Just tried to open a pdf file from my local YMCA.
No lock.
Any and all advice will be deeply appreciated.
Many Thanks.
Ron KR3DOG-PA-WCECTM
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or Best Whishes, From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG-PA-WCECTM Pennsylvania West County Emergency Com-Tree Manager






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Re: reading with chrome on the internet issue

John Gassman <johngassman@...>
 

Hi,
I don't know what causes it but I've experienc the same problem with JAWS, NVDA and Narrator.
I'm guessing its a google problem but again I don't know what is causing it.
JohnAt 07:51 AM 6/10/2019, Kimsan via Groups.Io wrote:
Good morning,
This has been occurring for a week now and it's starting to irritate me
I'm using chrome 74, no matter the site I navigate to once I start reading using the down arrow, after a few lines, jaws just stops. The only way I can start reading again is to tab and shift tab which causes me to lose my place.
Does anyone have any idea what is going on?

Thankyou,
Sincerely,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...


JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification

Re: reading with chrome on the internet issue

John Gassman <johngassman@...>
 

Hi,
I don't know what causes it but I've experienc the same problem with JAWS, NVDA and Narrator.
I'm guessing its a google problem but again I don't know what is causing it.
JohnAt 07:51 AM 6/10/2019, Kimsan via Groups.Io wrote:
Good morning,
This has been occurring for a week now and it's starting to irritate me
I'm using chrome 74, no matter the site I navigate to once I start reading using the down arrow, after a few lines, jaws just stops. The only way I can start reading again is to tab and shift tab which causes me to lose my place.
Does anyone have any idea what is going on?

Thankyou,
Sincerely,
Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...


JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification