Date   
Re: Jaws and PDFs

Glenn / Lenny
 

I downloaded a PDF:
468-Pet-Grooming-Certificate.PDF
and I read that file with FF.
Glenn

From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

Madison,

 

I'm a bit confused. When I clicked on the link in your below message, it opened in Firefox and read just fine with Fusion 2019. And I didn't see or hear any references to PDF files. It looked like a regular website page to me.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi all,

I’ll send you the link to the PDF:

https://www.icslearn.ca/programs/animal-care/pet-grooming-certificate

I was able to read it before, but as of yesterday now I can’t read it. I don’t know why, I haven’t made any changes to my computer. Look forward to hearing back from you guys! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: June-01-19 10:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Madison,

 

It sounds as if the online dog grooming course is using image PDF files. I suspect they contain many photos and those creating the PDF files used didn't bother to see that they contained editable text that could be searched and read by screen readers. Glenn has already discussed some of the options for running the pdf files through OCR but if you need someone to confirm that they are image PDFs, send us a link to the site where they are so we can do so.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 9:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Glenn and all,

Reading the PDF is the problem though. If it’s one that Jaws will read then interacting with the PDF isn’t a problem. The only thing that I ever do with a PDF is read them anyway, most of the PDFs that I look at I only read once, so I never save them anyway. I think that I already have Adobe DC, is there some way that I can check? Also, Glenn can you email me privately please (about the dog groomer and NFB thing)? My email is:

maddymartin@...

Look forward to hearing back from you! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June-01-19 8:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Madison,

If it is based on just your Blindness, then whoever told you that you can't be a dog groomer is totally wrong.

The NFB has a department that connects people in a field that they are working in so that person can help you.

But on your question, there are a lot of ways to read a PDF.

I'd say reading it is the easiest part, but sometimes interacting with a PDF can be tricky with Jaws.

You can use Adobe DC or you can use Open Book on a PDF, or you can use Jaws convenient OCR.  A lot of PDF files can be saved to txt in Adobe's file menu.

HTH.

Glenn

 

Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 8:36 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi all,
I'm really hoping that someone on this list can please help me. This is
something that's been bugging me for a while, but now I'm really hoping that
I can get this fixed. Is there some way to get Jaws to read all PDFs? The
reason that I ask is because my career goal is to become a professional dog
groomer (even though most people don't think that I can), but anyway there's
an online dog grooming course that I really want to take. I was looking at
it again today and there was a link to a sample lesion which once I opened
it Jaws wouldn't read it. I know that this isn't a good sign, if I can't
read the sample lesion then I won't be able to do the course (it's all
online). Part of the problem is that I don't know whether or not Jaws will
read a PDF until I open it. I really hope that someone can help me, I'm
using Jaws 15, Windows 7, and I don't know what version of Adobe I have.
Look forward to hearing back from anyone who can help! Thanks
Madison

Re: Jaws and PDFs

Victor Gouveia
 

There is a PDF file of the course description on the webpage Madison provided the link to.
 
It is that PDF she is unable to read, and I’ve determined it’s because the file is corrupted.
 
If you keep scrolling down the page, you’ll find a link to click here if you want to read the course description.
 
Victor
 

From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 9:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs
 

Madison,

 

I'm a bit confused. When I clicked on the link in your below message, it opened in Firefox and read just fine with Fusion 2019. And I didn't see or hear any references to PDF files. It looked like a regular website page to me.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi all,

I’ll send you the link to the PDF:

https://www.icslearn.ca/programs/animal-care/pet-grooming-certificate

I was able to read it before, but as of yesterday now I can’t read it. I don’t know why, I haven’t made any changes to my computer. Look forward to hearing back from you guys! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: June-01-19 10:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Madison,

 

It sounds as if the online dog grooming course is using image PDF files. I suspect they contain many photos and those creating the PDF files used didn't bother to see that they contained editable text that could be searched and read by screen readers. Glenn has already discussed some of the options for running the pdf files through OCR but if you need someone to confirm that they are image PDFs, send us a link to the site where they are so we can do so.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 9:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Glenn and all,

Reading the PDF is the problem though. If it’s one that Jaws will read then interacting with the PDF isn’t a problem. The only thing that I ever do with a PDF is read them anyway, most of the PDFs that I look at I only read once, so I never save them anyway. I think that I already have Adobe DC, is there some way that I can check? Also, Glenn can you email me privately please (about the dog groomer and NFB thing)? My email is:

maddymartin@...

Look forward to hearing back from you! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June-01-19 8:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Madison,

If it is based on just your Blindness, then whoever told you that you can't be a dog groomer is totally wrong.

The NFB has a department that connects people in a field that they are working in so that person can help you.

But on your question, there are a lot of ways to read a PDF.

I'd say reading it is the easiest part, but sometimes interacting with a PDF can be tricky with Jaws.

You can use Adobe DC or you can use Open Book on a PDF, or you can use Jaws convenient OCR.  A lot of PDF files can be saved to txt in Adobe's file menu.

HTH.

Glenn

 

From: Madison Martin

Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 8:36 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi all,
I'm really hoping that someone on this list can please help me. This is
something that's been bugging me for a while, but now I'm really hoping that
I can get this fixed. Is there some way to get Jaws to read all PDFs? The
reason that I ask is because my career goal is to become a professional dog
groomer (even though most people don't think that I can), but anyway there's
an online dog grooming course that I really want to take. I was looking at
it again today and there was a link to a sample lesion which once I opened
it Jaws wouldn't read it. I know that this isn't a good sign, if I can't
read the sample lesion then I won't be able to do the course (it's all
online). Part of the problem is that I don't know whether or not Jaws will
read a PDF until I open it. I really hope that someone can help me, I'm
using Jaws 15, Windows 7, and I don't know what version of Adobe I have.
Look forward to hearing back from anyone who can help! Thanks
Madison

Re: Jaws and PDFs

 

Madison,

 

I'm a bit confused. When I clicked on the link in your below message, it opened in Firefox and read just fine with Fusion 2019. And I didn't see or hear any references to PDF files. It looked like a regular website page to me.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 6:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi all,

I’ll send you the link to the PDF:

https://www.icslearn.ca/programs/animal-care/pet-grooming-certificate

I was able to read it before, but as of yesterday now I can’t read it. I don’t know why, I haven’t made any changes to my computer. Look forward to hearing back from you guys! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: June-01-19 10:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Madison,

 

It sounds as if the online dog grooming course is using image PDF files. I suspect they contain many photos and those creating the PDF files used didn't bother to see that they contained editable text that could be searched and read by screen readers. Glenn has already discussed some of the options for running the pdf files through OCR but if you need someone to confirm that they are image PDFs, send us a link to the site where they are so we can do so.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 9:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Glenn and all,

Reading the PDF is the problem though. If it’s one that Jaws will read then interacting with the PDF isn’t a problem. The only thing that I ever do with a PDF is read them anyway, most of the PDFs that I look at I only read once, so I never save them anyway. I think that I already have Adobe DC, is there some way that I can check? Also, Glenn can you email me privately please (about the dog groomer and NFB thing)? My email is:

maddymartin@...

Look forward to hearing back from you! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June-01-19 8:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Madison,

If it is based on just your Blindness, then whoever told you that you can't be a dog groomer is totally wrong.

The NFB has a department that connects people in a field that they are working in so that person can help you.

But on your question, there are a lot of ways to read a PDF.

I'd say reading it is the easiest part, but sometimes interacting with a PDF can be tricky with Jaws.

You can use Adobe DC or you can use Open Book on a PDF, or you can use Jaws convenient OCR.  A lot of PDF files can be saved to txt in Adobe's file menu.

HTH.

Glenn

 

Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 8:36 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi all,
I'm really hoping that someone on this list can please help me. This is
something that's been bugging me for a while, but now I'm really hoping that
I can get this fixed. Is there some way to get Jaws to read all PDFs? The
reason that I ask is because my career goal is to become a professional dog
groomer (even though most people don't think that I can), but anyway there's
an online dog grooming course that I really want to take. I was looking at
it again today and there was a link to a sample lesion which once I opened
it Jaws wouldn't read it. I know that this isn't a good sign, if I can't
read the sample lesion then I won't be able to do the course (it's all
online). Part of the problem is that I don't know whether or not Jaws will
read a PDF until I open it. I really hope that someone can help me, I'm
using Jaws 15, Windows 7, and I don't know what version of Adobe I have.
Look forward to hearing back from anyone who can help! Thanks
Madison

Re: Jaws and PDFs

Glenn / Lenny
 

I downloaded the file and it opened fine in FireFox.
Since I reinstalled Windows recently, I haven't yet gotten Adobe installed, that is why I read it in FireFox.
Glenn

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2019 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

Hi Madison,
 
I hate to tell you this, but you were worried for nothing.
 
It’s a problem with the file, not your computer.
 
You might want to let the owners of the site know this.
 
Victor
 
From: Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs
 

Hi all,

I’ll send you the link to the PDF:

https://www.icslearn.ca/programs/animal-care/pet-grooming-certificate

I was able to read it before, but as of yesterday now I can’t read it. I don’t know why, I haven’t made any changes to my computer. Look forward to hearing back from you guys! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: June-01-19 10:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Madison,

 

It sounds as if the online dog grooming course is using image PDF files. I suspect they contain many photos and those creating the PDF files used didn't bother to see that they contained editable text that could be searched and read by screen readers. Glenn has already discussed some of the options for running the pdf files through OCR but if you need someone to confirm that they are image PDFs, send us a link to the site where they are so we can do so.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 9:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Glenn and all,

Reading the PDF is the problem though. If it’s one that Jaws will read then interacting with the PDF isn’t a problem. The only thing that I ever do with a PDF is read them anyway, most of the PDFs that I look at I only read once, so I never save them anyway. I think that I already have Adobe DC, is there some way that I can check? Also, Glenn can you email me privately please (about the dog groomer and NFB thing)? My email is:

maddymartin@...

Look forward to hearing back from you! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June-01-19 8:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Madison,

If it is based on just your Blindness, then whoever told you that you can't be a dog groomer is totally wrong.

The NFB has a department that connects people in a field that they are working in so that person can help you.

But on your question, there are a lot of ways to read a PDF.

I'd say reading it is the easiest part, but sometimes interacting with a PDF can be tricky with Jaws.

You can use Adobe DC or you can use Open Book on a PDF, or you can use Jaws convenient OCR.  A lot of PDF files can be saved to txt in Adobe's file menu.

HTH.

Glenn

 

From: Madison Martin

Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 8:36 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi all,
I'm really hoping that someone on this list can please help me. This is
something that's been bugging me for a while, but now I'm really hoping that
I can get this fixed. Is there some way to get Jaws to read all PDFs? The
reason that I ask is because my career goal is to become a professional dog
groomer (even though most people don't think that I can), but anyway there's
an online dog grooming course that I really want to take. I was looking at
it again today and there was a link to a sample lesion which once I opened
it Jaws wouldn't read it. I know that this isn't a good sign, if I can't
read the sample lesion then I won't be able to do the course (it's all
online). Part of the problem is that I don't know whether or not Jaws will
read a PDF until I open it. I really hope that someone can help me, I'm
using Jaws 15, Windows 7, and I don't know what version of Adobe I have.
Look forward to hearing back from anyone who can help! Thanks
Madison

Re: Jaws and PDFs

John Gassman <johngassman@...>
 

Hi Madison,
When I clicked on the link I got an error message which said:
Failed to load PDF document.

Reload

That sounds like a problem with the web page.
I used JAWS 2019 and got the error and so also tried NVDA with the same result.
Maybe they broke something from one day to the next. If you have a sighted person use a mouse does the same thing happen?

I know from personal experience that there are developers who only test with the mouse and never consider keyboard users.

John

At 04:25 PM 6/2/2019, you wrote:
Hi all,
I'll send you the link to the PDF:
<https://www.icslearn.ca/programs/animal-care/pet-grooming-certificate>https://www.icslearn.ca/programs/animal-care/pet-grooming-certificate
I was able to read it before, but as of yesterday now I can't read it. I don't know why, I haven't made any changes to my computer. Look forward to hearing back from you guys! Thanks
Madison

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: June-01-19 10:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

Madison,

It sounds as if the online dog grooming course is using image PDF files. I suspect they contain many photos and those creating the PDF files used didn't bother to see that they contained editable text that could be searched and read by screen readers. Glenn has already discussed some of the options for running the pdf files through OCR but if you need someone to confirm that they are image PDFs, send us a link to the site where they are so we can do so.

Alan Lemly

From: <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 9:43 PM
To: <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

Hi Glenn and all,
Reading the PDF is the problem though. If it's one that Jaws will read then interacting with the PDF isn't a problem. The only thing that I ever do with a PDF is read them anyway, most of the PDFs that I look at I only read once, so I never save them anyway. I think that I already have Adobe DC, is there some way that I can check? Also, Glenn can you email me privately please (about the dog groomer and NFB thing)? My email is:
<mailto:maddymartin@...>maddymartin@...
Look forward to hearing back from you! Thanks
Madison

From: <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June-01-19 8:45 PM
To: <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

Hi Madison,
If it is based on just your Blindness, then whoever told you that you can't be a dog groomer is totally wrong.
The NFB has a department that connects people in a field that they are working in so that person can help you.
But on your question, there are a lot of ways to read a PDF.
I'd say reading it is the easiest part, but sometimes interacting with a PDF can be tricky with Jaws.
You can use Adobe DC or you can use Open Book on a PDF, or you can use Jaws convenient OCR. A lot of PDF files can be saved to txt in Adobe's file menu.
HTH.
Glenn

From: <mailto:maddymartin@...>Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 8:36 PM
To: <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

Hi all,
I'm really hoping that someone on this list can please help me. This is
something that's been bugging me for a while, but now I'm really hoping that
I can get this fixed. Is there some way to get Jaws to read all PDFs? The
reason that I ask is because my career goal is to become a professional dog
groomer (even though most people don't think that I can), but anyway there's
an online dog grooming course that I really want to take. I was looking at
it again today and there was a link to a sample lesion which once I opened
it Jaws wouldn't read it. I know that this isn't a good sign, if I can't
read the sample lesion then I won't be able to do the course (it's all
online). Part of the problem is that I don't know whether or not Jaws will
read a PDF until I open it. I really hope that someone can help me, I'm
using Jaws 15, Windows 7, and I don't know what version of Adobe I have.
Look forward to hearing back from anyone who can help! Thanks
Madison

JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification

Re: Jaws and PDFs

Victor Gouveia
 

Hi Madison,
 
I hate to tell you this, but you were worried for nothing.
 
It’s a problem with the file, not your computer.
 
You might want to let the owners of the site know this.
 
Victor
 

From: Madison Martin
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 7:25 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs
 

Hi all,

I’ll send you the link to the PDF:

https://www.icslearn.ca/programs/animal-care/pet-grooming-certificate

I was able to read it before, but as of yesterday now I can’t read it. I don’t know why, I haven’t made any changes to my computer. Look forward to hearing back from you guys! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: June-01-19 10:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Madison,

 

It sounds as if the online dog grooming course is using image PDF files. I suspect they contain many photos and those creating the PDF files used didn't bother to see that they contained editable text that could be searched and read by screen readers. Glenn has already discussed some of the options for running the pdf files through OCR but if you need someone to confirm that they are image PDFs, send us a link to the site where they are so we can do so.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 9:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Glenn and all,

Reading the PDF is the problem though. If it’s one that Jaws will read then interacting with the PDF isn’t a problem. The only thing that I ever do with a PDF is read them anyway, most of the PDFs that I look at I only read once, so I never save them anyway. I think that I already have Adobe DC, is there some way that I can check? Also, Glenn can you email me privately please (about the dog groomer and NFB thing)? My email is:

maddymartin@...

Look forward to hearing back from you! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June-01-19 8:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Madison,

If it is based on just your Blindness, then whoever told you that you can't be a dog groomer is totally wrong.

The NFB has a department that connects people in a field that they are working in so that person can help you.

But on your question, there are a lot of ways to read a PDF.

I'd say reading it is the easiest part, but sometimes interacting with a PDF can be tricky with Jaws.

You can use Adobe DC or you can use Open Book on a PDF, or you can use Jaws convenient OCR.  A lot of PDF files can be saved to txt in Adobe's file menu.

HTH.

Glenn

 

From: Madison Martin

Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 8:36 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi all,
I'm really hoping that someone on this list can please help me. This is
something that's been bugging me for a while, but now I'm really hoping that
I can get this fixed. Is there some way to get Jaws to read all PDFs? The
reason that I ask is because my career goal is to become a professional dog
groomer (even though most people don't think that I can), but anyway there's
an online dog grooming course that I really want to take. I was looking at
it again today and there was a link to a sample lesion which once I opened
it Jaws wouldn't read it. I know that this isn't a good sign, if I can't
read the sample lesion then I won't be able to do the course (it's all
online). Part of the problem is that I don't know whether or not Jaws will
read a PDF until I open it. I really hope that someone can help me, I'm
using Jaws 15, Windows 7, and I don't know what version of Adobe I have.
Look forward to hearing back from anyone who can help! Thanks
Madison

Re: PuTTY client using JAWS

 

Hi Pamela:

I will have to look tomorrow for the PuTTY echo workaround, why don't you
write to me at @humberto so when I find it I can maybe attach it
to an email to you.

Like I said before, I use PuTTY only to execute commands at the shell, for
editing files, the editor of WinSCP is much preferable to VI or any other
Unix editor, it allows you to paste as you would on Notepad. If you want,
we can speak on Skype and I can help you. My Skype is hum1942 but we must
agree on date and time ahead of time. I live in Florida, Eastern Time,
where do you live so we can figure a time convenient to both?

Regards,

Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 2:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS

Humberto,

Thanks for the hint about using the JAWS cursor followed by right mouse
button. I wasn't aware of that.

I do often need to edit script files, sql files, etc. Can you describe the
echo workaround?

Do you know of any way to paste multiple lines into the vi editor?

I have always used the vi editor. Does WinSCP use a similar interface as
vi?

Thanks.

Pam

________________________________________
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [jaws-users-list@groups.io] on behalf of
Humberto Rodriguez via Groups.Io [sub=hrfinancial.com@groups.io]
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 8:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS

It really depends on what Pamela wants to edit; PuTTY has a workaround that
improves its echo, but still leaves a lot to be desired, I use it strictly
for shell commands and if the command is long, better to type in a local
text editor and after you are sure it has no errors, copy and paste it into
the command line using Jaws cursor and right-mouse-button.

To edit files at the server, I use the built-in editor of WinSCP which is
accessible with Jaws and works very well for my purposes, you could even set
it to use the UTTF-8 character set. With it, you could edit files as if you
were using Notepad.

Regards,

Humberto



-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Chris Nestrud
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 10:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS

Best solution is SecureCRT which has scripts included with JAWS as of
the 2019.04 update.

If you're limited to what comes with Windows, there is a command-line
ssh client that you can install from Settings (windows+i) then apps then
apps and features then manage optional features then add a feature then
OpenSSH Client.

Chris

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 09:14:08PM +0000, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND wrote:
Regarding using an editor, I have a very small amount of vision which
allows me to see the cursor if I have it set to a block. I'm not sure how
to get around this if you have no vision at all.

For any major editing, I do the majority of that on my PC, and then
transfer the file to the server. It's an extra step, but somewhat of a
workaround.

I would be very interested if you come across any real solutions for this.

________________________________________
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [jaws-users-list@groups.io] on behalf of
Brendan Mattingly via Groups.Io [brendan.mattingly904=gmail.com@groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 5:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS

At the command line, I can hear the keys as I type. If I use
backspace...nothing, if I try to hear what I just typed into the
command line using PC cursor...nothing.
In a text editor, the same is true. I can hear the characters as I
type them, but trying to figure out what I just wrote with the arrow
keys in PC cursor gives me nothing. This is not practical, since
editing a script or document would be nearly impossible. I can read it
using JAWS or invisible cursor, but this does not allow you to know
where your PC cursor is.

On 3/28/19, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...>
wrote:
Hi,

Are you saying that, when you are at the command line, you do not hear
your
keystrokes echoed? I use puTTY with JAWS 2018 and do hear what I type
at
the command line. I have to use the JAWS cursor or the mouse to review
anything on the screen.

JAWS does not track well in VI. It generally doesn't read the line
where
the cursor is, and I have not found a JAWS solution for that one.

Pam


________________________________________
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [jaws-users-list@groups.io] on behalf of
Brendan Mattingly via Groups.Io
[brendan.mattingly904=gmail.com@groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS

I am not sure, I am not aware of how to do that. I would think that a
script could handle it, but I don't know exactly where to start with
that.
I have been trying to use ubuntu on windows to try to act like a Linux
system to use ssh instead of putty. I used ssh to access my former
system and it worked with good functionality, but there is no security
to prevent me from loging in there. Unfortunately, I have not found a
way to authenticate the log in with my CAC card (a kerberose ticket
has to be obtained with the CAC card or ssh doesn't work).


On 3/28/19, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
Since there seems to be a way to make it work with NVDA, I would think
there

would be a way to make it work with Jaws.
Is it possible to build a frame around the window and set Jaws to echo
changes?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brendan Mattingly" <brendan.mattingly904@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 10:37 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS


Hello list,
I have found out that JAWS2018 (for Windows10 x64) does not work very
well with PuTTY (ssh client) using PC cursor. For example, when using
a text editor like emacs or vim, the PC cursor cannot track letters or
words or lines, it just treats the file as a blank template no matter
what text is there or what you type (although JAWS cursor shows text).
This is also true for the command line with the PC cursor. JAWS cursor
and invisible cursor have correct functionality when compared to other
ssh terminals like openSSH or terraterm that I have used in the past
for other tasks outside of work.
The complication is that my work only allows the use of PuTTY due to
security, as it is specially configured with Kerberos (krb5) which
uses my CAC card to create a special ticket. I also think that the
allowed PuTTY is version 0.70 (or a special version specific to what
is allowed).
I have discovered some scripts that were recommended for JAWS2018 like
this
https://github.com
%2Fmunawarb%2FJAWS-PuTTY-Scripts&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40
disney.com%7C09970c6dca5f4bebebad08d6b3c11c7b%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e9
13c6%7C1%7C0%7C636894039323071219&amp;sdata=kIP%2B9JAIJXtAz8myK9Gj6QbG1UgTCW
Qsv5e4VUKq70Q%3D&amp;reserved=0
which did not help, or this
https://www.digita
ldarragh.com%2F2017%2F01%2F12%2Fusing-putty-with-jaws-18%2F&amp;data=02%7C01
%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C09970c6dca5f4bebebad08d6b3c11c7b%7C5
6b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636894039323071219&amp;sdata=1nd2c
H6N8vNEj26cGPfvGmrkSpBdjas%2BUsRExPiEDR0%3D&amp;reserved=0
which did not compile due to an error.

The only script that remotely helped was this
https://www.digita
ldarragh.com%2F2010%2F09%2F23%2Fadding-jaws-support-putty%2F&amp;data=02%7C0
1%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C09970c6dca5f4bebebad08d6b3c11c7b%7C
56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636894039323071219&amp;sdata=dmbK
ticZFv%2Br3RIOfUdg5mqq%2F4w%2B9NY7HUqD9sQUTEU%3D&amp;reserved=0
.
I have also tried changing some of the PuTTY settings (like changing
the cursor from block to under and to vertical) but I have not found
the solution.
If anyone can recommend solutions or how to script something that may
solve my problem, it would be very much appreciated.















Re: Jaws and PDFs

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,

I’ll send you the link to the PDF:

https://www.icslearn.ca/programs/animal-care/pet-grooming-certificate

I was able to read it before, but as of yesterday now I can’t read it. I don’t know why, I haven’t made any changes to my computer. Look forward to hearing back from you guys! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: June-01-19 10:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Madison,

 

It sounds as if the online dog grooming course is using image PDF files. I suspect they contain many photos and those creating the PDF files used didn't bother to see that they contained editable text that could be searched and read by screen readers. Glenn has already discussed some of the options for running the pdf files through OCR but if you need someone to confirm that they are image PDFs, send us a link to the site where they are so we can do so.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 9:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Glenn and all,

Reading the PDF is the problem though. If it’s one that Jaws will read then interacting with the PDF isn’t a problem. The only thing that I ever do with a PDF is read them anyway, most of the PDFs that I look at I only read once, so I never save them anyway. I think that I already have Adobe DC, is there some way that I can check? Also, Glenn can you email me privately please (about the dog groomer and NFB thing)? My email is:

maddymartin@...

Look forward to hearing back from you! Thanks

Madison

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June-01-19 8:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi Madison,

If it is based on just your Blindness, then whoever told you that you can't be a dog groomer is totally wrong.

The NFB has a department that connects people in a field that they are working in so that person can help you.

But on your question, there are a lot of ways to read a PDF.

I'd say reading it is the easiest part, but sometimes interacting with a PDF can be tricky with Jaws.

You can use Adobe DC or you can use Open Book on a PDF, or you can use Jaws convenient OCR.  A lot of PDF files can be saved to txt in Adobe's file menu.

HTH.

Glenn

 

Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 8:36 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws and PDFs

 

Hi all,
I'm really hoping that someone on this list can please help me. This is
something that's been bugging me for a while, but now I'm really hoping that
I can get this fixed. Is there some way to get Jaws to read all PDFs? The
reason that I ask is because my career goal is to become a professional dog
groomer (even though most people don't think that I can), but anyway there's
an online dog grooming course that I really want to take. I was looking at
it again today and there was a link to a sample lesion which once I opened
it Jaws wouldn't read it. I know that this isn't a good sign, if I can't
read the sample lesion then I won't be able to do the course (it's all
online). Part of the problem is that I don't know whether or not Jaws will
read a PDF until I open it. I really hope that someone can help me, I'm
using Jaws 15, Windows 7, and I don't know what version of Adobe I have.
Look forward to hearing back from anyone who can help! Thanks
Madison

Re: A observation.

David Ferrin
 

Interesting and in fact a positive comment on JAWS is at time rare the fact is it does not serve the purpose of either asking or answering a question.
 

From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 1:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] A observation.
 

I agree for me Jaws works well and does things better than other screen readers.  I don’t care the product everyone will have bugs. 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 9:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] A observation.

 

This is a pretty unfair statement. I have all three screen readers on my systems and find that there are many things Jaws can do well that the other two can not. And for me Jaws does it easier in most cases. So all have their strengths and weaknesses.

Marie

 

 

From: David Moore

Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:47 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] A observation.

 

Hey Ronnie
JAWS is not worth what it costs is it? It cannot do that like Narrator and NVDA¹!
David Moore

 

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 12:18 AM Ron Kolesar <kolesar16417@... wrote:

Hello to my fellow JAWS users.
I noticed the following tonight and would appreciate your feedback.
I'm moving some files from a SD card to a back up folder.
If I use either narrator and or NVDA, it not only gives me the progress
report, but it also gives me the speed at what my processor is moving the
miles at.
When I do this within JAWS, it doesn't give me the rate that the processor
has to work and how fast the processor is moving the files.
Any chance to get this in the next upgrade of JAWS?
Just a thought.
Ron
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or
Best Whishes,
From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG-PA-WCECTM
Pennsylvania West County Emergency Com-Tree Manager




David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have preferred.

Re: JAWS not reading Adobe Acrobat Reader DC documents

Chris Nestrud
 

It is unfortunate that you must disable security protections in order to
read these documents. Hopefully Vispero and Adobe can work together to
find a solution that preserves security and accessibility.

Chris

On Sun, Jun 02, 2019 at 05:11:32PM -0400, Annette Carr via Groups.Io wrote:
Two weeks ago I ran into the same problem where Adobe stopped reading
documents that I know worked in the past. Then the same thing happened at
work. Vispero/FS Support provided with the following 3 pieces of
information. The directions in the 2nd item says it is for Edge, but it
worked with IE11. The 3rd set of instructions mentions something about "App
Container", and I could not find a setting with a name that match up with
it. For now all seems to be well. Information is below my name.



HTH,

Annette





Thank you for contacting VisperoT Technical Support. Our VisperoT products
will read Portable Document Files, also known as PDF files, that are
displayed in the adobe Acrobat Reader program. The following web site
describes how PDF files are created. It also explains why some Adobe files
may not read, if they have not been designed to be accessible.



http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw060604



Likewise, the following link will take you to a Technical Support Notice,
(TSN), which describes how to have PDF files open in the Adobe Acrobat
Reader in Windows 10, as opposed to being opened in Microsoft Edge.



https://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Bulletin/1689



Finally, sometimes there are settings in the Adobe program which prevent a
PDF file from being read correctly. When this happens, the Adobe Reader is
using a set of security options called Sandbox Protections. The purpose of
these settings is to put PDF documents that are potentially malicious into a
restricted environment where they cannot run executable files or change
registry settings. These options can be accessed with these steps:



1. Open Adobe's Edit menu and choose Preferences.



2. In the Preferences dialog, select the Security (Enhanced)
category.



3. Make certain that the option Enable Protected Mode at startup
is unchecked. When this option is turned off, JAWS should be able to read
the document. By default, it is on.



4. Next make certain that the option to Run in AppContainer is
also unchecked.



5. Lastly, the Adobe Reader will need to be restarted after
changing these options.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom
Fairhurst
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 9:41 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS not reading Adobe Acrobat Reader DC documents



Sounds like we have this one fixed. However, I had a document in which I had
to go into Properties and click an unblock button. It's just something else
to look for.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>
<jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io> > On Behalf Of
JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 4:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Cc: 'Vispero Technical Support' <support@...
<mailto:support@...> >; Larry Lynn <lhlynn@...
<mailto:lhlynn@...> >
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS not reading Adobe Acrobat Reader DC documents



Hi,

I have Adobe Acrobat Reader DC on my new windows-10 computer using the
latest version of JAWS. My memory is that, when we tested Adobe a couple of
months ago I was able to open and read a .pdf document.

Now, when I open a .pdf document using Adobe Acrobat Reader DC, the keyboard
seems to be disabled and JAWS does not read the document. I'm unable to
arrow around the screen using my keyboard. Interestingly, my friend, who
helped me set up the computer, is able to maneuver around the screen using
Quick Assist (he's remoted into my computer) and is able to see documents on
the screen.

This behavior is not document specific and is making it impossible for me to
read important (to me) .pdf documents.

Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks.

John



Ps If there is an alternative program to Adobe that will let me
successfully read and convert .pdf documents to Word, I'd love to hear about
it.

Thanks.





Re: JAWS not reading Adobe Acrobat Reader DC documents

Annette Carr
 

Two weeks ago I ran into the same problem where Adobe stopped reading documents that I know worked in the past.  Then the same thing happened at work.  Vispero/FS Support provided with the following 3 pieces of information.  The directions in the 2nd item says it is for Edge, but it worked with IE11.  The 3rd set of instructions mentions something about “App Container”, and I could not find a setting with a name that match up with it.  For now all seems to be well.  Information is below my name.

 

HTH,

Annette

 

 

Thank you for contacting Vispero™ Technical Support. Our Vispero™ products will read Portable Document Files, also known as PDF files, that are displayed in the adobe Acrobat Reader program. The following web site describes how PDF files are created. It also explains why some Adobe files may not read, if they have not been designed to be accessible.

 

http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw060604

 

Likewise, the following link will take you to a Technical Support Notice, (TSN), which describes how to have PDF files open in the Adobe Acrobat Reader in Windows 10, as opposed to being opened in Microsoft Edge.

 

https://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Bulletin/1689

 

Finally, sometimes there are settings in the Adobe program which prevent a PDF file from being read correctly. When this happens, the Adobe Reader is using a set of security options called Sandbox Protections. The purpose of these settings is to put PDF documents that are potentially malicious into a restricted environment where they cannot run executable files or change registry settings. These options can be accessed with these steps:

 

1.            Open Adobe’s Edit menu and choose Preferences.

 

2.            In the Preferences dialog, select the Security (Enhanced) category.

 

3.            Make certain that the option Enable Protected Mode at startup is unchecked. When this option is turned off, JAWS should be able to read the document. By default, it is on.

 

4.            Next make certain that the option to Run in AppContainer is also unchecked.

 

5.            Lastly, the Adobe Reader will need to be restarted after changing these options.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 9:41 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS not reading Adobe Acrobat Reader DC documents

 

Sounds like we have this one fixed. However, I had a document in which I had to go into Properties and click an unblock button. It’s just something else to look for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 4:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Cc: 'Vispero Technical Support' <support@...>; Larry Lynn <lhlynn@...>
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS not reading Adobe Acrobat Reader DC documents

 

Hi,

I have Adobe Acrobat Reader DC on my new windows-10 computer using the latest version of JAWS. My memory is that, when we tested Adobe a couple of months ago I was able to open and read a .pdf document.

Now, when I open a .pdf document using Adobe Acrobat Reader DC, the keyboard seems to be disabled and JAWS does not read the document. I’m unable to arrow around the screen using my keyboard. Interestingly, my friend, who helped me set up the computer, is able to maneuver around the screen using Quick Assist (he’s remoted into my computer) and is able to see documents on the screen.

This behavior is not document specific and is making it impossible for me to read important (to me) .pdf documents.

Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks.

John

 

Ps If there is an alternative  program to Adobe that will let me successfully read and convert .pdf documents to Word, I’d love to hear about it.

Thanks.

Re: weird issue with my downloads folder

Kevin
 

The option was always there, Microsoft just decided to make it default!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Michael Massey
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 11:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] weird issue with my downloads folder

 

Hi.  I tried to reply to Chris’s message by using the jaws key plus the shift key but the message bounced.  Anyway, I was able to disable the dad blamed grouping option that Windows 10 decided to add to Windows 10 1903.  Sometimes it seems that Microsoft should have left well enough alone in my humble opinion. 

 

Re: PuTTY client using JAWS

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Humberto,

Thanks for the hint about using the JAWS cursor followed by right mouse button. I wasn't aware of that.

I do often need to edit script files, sql files, etc. Can you describe the echo workaround?

Do you know of any way to paste multiple lines into the vi editor?

I have always used the vi editor. Does WinSCP use a similar interface as vi?

Thanks.

Pam

________________________________________
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [jaws-users-list@groups.io] on behalf of Humberto Rodriguez via Groups.Io [sub=hrfinancial.com@groups.io]
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 8:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS

It really depends on what Pamela wants to edit; PuTTY has a workaround that
improves its echo, but still leaves a lot to be desired, I use it strictly
for shell commands and if the command is long, better to type in a local
text editor and after you are sure it has no errors, copy and paste it into
the command line using Jaws cursor and right-mouse-button.

To edit files at the server, I use the built-in editor of WinSCP which is
accessible with Jaws and works very well for my purposes, you could even set
it to use the UTTF-8 character set. With it, you could edit files as if you
were using Notepad.

Regards,

Humberto



-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Chris Nestrud
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 10:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS

Best solution is SecureCRT which has scripts included with JAWS as of
the 2019.04 update.

If you're limited to what comes with Windows, there is a command-line
ssh client that you can install from Settings (windows+i) then apps then
apps and features then manage optional features then add a feature then
OpenSSH Client.

Chris

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 09:14:08PM +0000, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND wrote:
Regarding using an editor, I have a very small amount of vision which
allows me to see the cursor if I have it set to a block. I'm not sure how
to get around this if you have no vision at all.

For any major editing, I do the majority of that on my PC, and then
transfer the file to the server. It's an extra step, but somewhat of a
workaround.

I would be very interested if you come across any real solutions for this.

________________________________________
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [jaws-users-list@groups.io] on behalf of
Brendan Mattingly via Groups.Io [brendan.mattingly904=gmail.com@groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 5:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS

At the command line, I can hear the keys as I type. If I use
backspace...nothing, if I try to hear what I just typed into the
command line using PC cursor...nothing.
In a text editor, the same is true. I can hear the characters as I
type them, but trying to figure out what I just wrote with the arrow
keys in PC cursor gives me nothing. This is not practical, since
editing a script or document would be nearly impossible. I can read it
using JAWS or invisible cursor, but this does not allow you to know
where your PC cursor is.

On 3/28/19, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...>
wrote:
Hi,

Are you saying that, when you are at the command line, you do not hear
your
keystrokes echoed? I use puTTY with JAWS 2018 and do hear what I type
at
the command line. I have to use the JAWS cursor or the mouse to review
anything on the screen.

JAWS does not track well in VI. It generally doesn't read the line
where
the cursor is, and I have not found a JAWS solution for that one.

Pam


________________________________________
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [jaws-users-list@groups.io] on behalf of
Brendan Mattingly via Groups.Io
[brendan.mattingly904=gmail.com@groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS

I am not sure, I am not aware of how to do that. I would think that a
script could handle it, but I don't know exactly where to start with
that.
I have been trying to use ubuntu on windows to try to act like a Linux
system to use ssh instead of putty. I used ssh to access my former
system and it worked with good functionality, but there is no security
to prevent me from loging in there. Unfortunately, I have not found a
way to authenticate the log in with my CAC card (a kerberose ticket
has to be obtained with the CAC card or ssh doesn't work).


On 3/28/19, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
Since there seems to be a way to make it work with NVDA, I would think
there

would be a way to make it work with Jaws.
Is it possible to build a frame around the window and set Jaws to echo
changes?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brendan Mattingly" <brendan.mattingly904@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 10:37 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS


Hello list,
I have found out that JAWS2018 (for Windows10 x64) does not work very
well with PuTTY (ssh client) using PC cursor. For example, when using
a text editor like emacs or vim, the PC cursor cannot track letters or
words or lines, it just treats the file as a blank template no matter
what text is there or what you type (although JAWS cursor shows text).
This is also true for the command line with the PC cursor. JAWS cursor
and invisible cursor have correct functionality when compared to other
ssh terminals like openSSH or terraterm that I have used in the past
for other tasks outside of work.
The complication is that my work only allows the use of PuTTY due to
security, as it is specially configured with Kerberos (krb5) which
uses my CAC card to create a special ticket. I also think that the
allowed PuTTY is version 0.70 (or a special version specific to what
is allowed).
I have discovered some scripts that were recommended for JAWS2018 like
this
https://github.com
%2Fmunawarb%2FJAWS-PuTTY-Scripts&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40
disney.com%7C09970c6dca5f4bebebad08d6b3c11c7b%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e9
13c6%7C1%7C0%7C636894039323071219&amp;sdata=kIP%2B9JAIJXtAz8myK9Gj6QbG1UgTCW
Qsv5e4VUKq70Q%3D&amp;reserved=0
which did not help, or this
https://www.digita
ldarragh.com%2F2017%2F01%2F12%2Fusing-putty-with-jaws-18%2F&amp;data=02%7C01
%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C09970c6dca5f4bebebad08d6b3c11c7b%7C5
6b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636894039323071219&amp;sdata=1nd2c
H6N8vNEj26cGPfvGmrkSpBdjas%2BUsRExPiEDR0%3D&amp;reserved=0
which did not compile due to an error.

The only script that remotely helped was this
https://www.digita
ldarragh.com%2F2010%2F09%2F23%2Fadding-jaws-support-putty%2F&amp;data=02%7C0
1%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C09970c6dca5f4bebebad08d6b3c11c7b%7C
56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636894039323071219&amp;sdata=dmbK
ticZFv%2Br3RIOfUdg5mqq%2F4w%2B9NY7HUqD9sQUTEU%3D&amp;reserved=0
.
I have also tried changing some of the PuTTY settings (like changing
the cursor from block to under and to vertical) but I have not found
the solution.
If anyone can recommend solutions or how to script something that may
solve my problem, it would be very much appreciated.















Re: weird issue with my downloads folder

Michael Massey
 

Hi.  I tried to reply to Chris’s message by using the jaws key plus the shift key but the message bounced.  Anyway, I was able to disable the dad blamed grouping option that Windows 10 decided to add to Windows 10 1903.  Sometimes it seems that Microsoft should have left well enough alone in my humble opinion. 

Re: A observation.

Dennis L
 

I agree for me Jaws works well and does things better than other screen readers.  I don’t care the product everyone will have bugs. 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 9:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] A observation.

 

This is a pretty unfair statement. I have all three screen readers on my systems and find that there are many things Jaws can do well that the other two can not. And for me Jaws does it easier in most cases. So all have their strengths and weaknesses.

Marie

 

 

From: David Moore

Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:47 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] A observation.

 

Hey Ronnie
JAWS is not worth what it costs is it? It cannot do that like Narrator and NVDA¹!
David Moore

 

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 12:18 AM Ron Kolesar <kolesar16417@... wrote:

Hello to my fellow JAWS users.
I noticed the following tonight and would appreciate your feedback.
I'm moving some files from a SD card to a back up folder.
If I use either narrator and or NVDA, it not only gives me the progress
report, but it also gives me the speed at what my processor is moving the
miles at.
When I do this within JAWS, it doesn't give me the rate that the processor
has to work and how fast the processor is moving the files.
Any chance to get this in the next upgrade of JAWS?
Just a thought.
Ron
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or
Best Whishes,
From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG-PA-WCECTM
Pennsylvania West County Emergency Com-Tree Manager



Re: weird issue with my downloads folder

Chris
 

Just ungroup the folder just deselect all files and folders in downloads do a right click / app key /win
f10 and in the group by sub folder select none

That should do it

 

 

From: james f hooper
Sent: 02 June 2019 14:19
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] weird issue with my downloads folder

 

Greetings all, okay just updated to windows 1903 using jaws 2019latest build.

The weird thing is now when I open my downloads folder it is saying like yesterday in terms of what  files were added today, last week last month I just want a regular list of files anyway to get that back.

 

Re: weird issue with my downloads folder

Kevin
 

Go to your downloads folder

When nothing is selected press the application key

From the menu select group by

Arrow to none

Press enter

 

 

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: james f hooper
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 6:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] weird issue with my downloads folder

 

Greetings all, okay just updated to windows 1903 using jaws 2019latest build.

The weird thing is now when I open my downloads folder it is saying like yesterday in terms of what  files were added today, last week last month I just want a regular list of files anyway to get that back.

 

Re: PuTTY client using JAWS

Jason White
 

Windows Subsystem for Linux is working even more accessibly than before under Windows 1903. I'm not encountering any of the accessibility problems with the terminal that I experienced under Windows 1809.

You can use ssh within Windows Subsystem for Linux to connect to remote servers.

On 6/2/19, 08:28, "Humberto Rodriguez" <jaws-users-list@groups.io on behalf of @humberto> wrote:

It really depends on what Pamela wants to edit; PuTTY has a workaround that
improves its echo, but still leaves a lot to be desired, I use it strictly
for shell commands and if the command is long, better to type in a local
text editor and after you are sure it has no errors, copy and paste it into
the command line using Jaws cursor and right-mouse-button.

To edit files at the server, I use the built-in editor of WinSCP which is
accessible with Jaws and works very well for my purposes, you could even set
it to use the UTTF-8 character set. With it, you could edit files as if you
were using Notepad.

Regards,

Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Chris Nestrud
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 10:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS

Best solution is SecureCRT which has scripts included with JAWS as of
the 2019.04 update.

If you're limited to what comes with Windows, there is a command-line
ssh client that you can install from Settings (windows+i) then apps then
apps and features then manage optional features then add a feature then
OpenSSH Client.

Chris

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 09:14:08PM +0000, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND wrote:
> Regarding using an editor, I have a very small amount of vision which
allows me to see the cursor if I have it set to a block. I'm not sure how
to get around this if you have no vision at all.
>
> For any major editing, I do the majority of that on my PC, and then
transfer the file to the server. It's an extra step, but somewhat of a
workaround.
>
> I would be very interested if you come across any real solutions for this.

>
> ________________________________________
> From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [jaws-users-list@groups.io] on behalf of
Brendan Mattingly via Groups.Io [brendan.mattingly904=gmail.com@groups.io]
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 5:04 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS
>
> At the command line, I can hear the keys as I type. If I use
> backspace...nothing, if I try to hear what I just typed into the
> command line using PC cursor...nothing.
> In a text editor, the same is true. I can hear the characters as I
> type them, but trying to figure out what I just wrote with the arrow
> keys in PC cursor gives me nothing. This is not practical, since
> editing a script or document would be nearly impossible. I can read it
> using JAWS or invisible cursor, but this does not allow you to know
> where your PC cursor is.
>
> On 3/28/19, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...>
wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Are you saying that, when you are at the command line, you do not hear
your
> > keystrokes echoed? I use puTTY with JAWS 2018 and do hear what I type
at
> > the command line. I have to use the JAWS cursor or the mouse to review
> > anything on the screen.
> >
> > JAWS does not track well in VI. It generally doesn't read the line
where
> > the cursor is, and I have not found a JAWS solution for that one.
> >
> > Pam
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [jaws-users-list@groups.io] on behalf of
> > Brendan Mattingly via Groups.Io
[brendan.mattingly904=gmail.com@groups.io]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:48 PM
> > To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS
> >
> > I am not sure, I am not aware of how to do that. I would think that a
> > script could handle it, but I don't know exactly where to start with
> > that.
> > I have been trying to use ubuntu on windows to try to act like a Linux
> > system to use ssh instead of putty. I used ssh to access my former
> > system and it worked with good functionality, but there is no security
> > to prevent me from loging in there. Unfortunately, I have not found a
> > way to authenticate the log in with my CAC card (a kerberose ticket
> > has to be obtained with the CAC card or ssh doesn't work).
> >
> >
> > On 3/28/19, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
> >> Since there seems to be a way to make it work with NVDA, I would think
> >> there
> >>
> >> would be a way to make it work with Jaws.
> >> Is it possible to build a frame around the window and set Jaws to echo
> >> changes?
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Brendan Mattingly" <brendan.mattingly904@...>
> >> To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 10:37 AM
> >> Subject: [jaws-users] PuTTY client using JAWS
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello list,
> >> I have found out that JAWS2018 (for Windows10 x64) does not work very
> >> well with PuTTY (ssh client) using PC cursor. For example, when using
> >> a text editor like emacs or vim, the PC cursor cannot track letters or
> >> words or lines, it just treats the file as a blank template no matter
> >> what text is there or what you type (although JAWS cursor shows text).
> >> This is also true for the command line with the PC cursor. JAWS cursor
> >> and invisible cursor have correct functionality when compared to other
> >> ssh terminals like openSSH or terraterm that I have used in the past
> >> for other tasks outside of work.
> >> The complication is that my work only allows the use of PuTTY due to
> >> security, as it is specially configured with Kerberos (krb5) which
> >> uses my CAC card to create a special ticket. I also think that the
> >> allowed PuTTY is version 0.70 (or a special version specific to what
> >> is allowed).
> >> I have discovered some scripts that were recommended for JAWS2018 like
> >> this
> >>
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com
%2Fmunawarb%2FJAWS-PuTTY-Scripts&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40
disney.com%7C09970c6dca5f4bebebad08d6b3c11c7b%7C56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e9
13c6%7C1%7C0%7C636894039323071219&amp;sdata=kIP%2B9JAIJXtAz8myK9Gj6QbG1UgTCW
Qsv5e4VUKq70Q%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >> which did not help, or this
> >>
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.digita
ldarragh.com%2F2017%2F01%2F12%2Fusing-putty-with-jaws-18%2F&amp;data=02%7C01
%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C09970c6dca5f4bebebad08d6b3c11c7b%7C5
6b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636894039323071219&amp;sdata=1nd2c
H6N8vNEj26cGPfvGmrkSpBdjas%2BUsRExPiEDR0%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >> which did not compile due to an error.
> >>
> >> The only script that remotely helped was this
> >>
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.digita
ldarragh.com%2F2010%2F09%2F23%2Fadding-jaws-support-putty%2F&amp;data=02%7C0
1%7Cpamela.a.ekstrand.-nd%40disney.com%7C09970c6dca5f4bebebad08d6b3c11c7b%7C
56b731a8a2ac4c32bf6b616810e913c6%7C1%7C0%7C636894039323071219&amp;sdata=dmbK
ticZFv%2Br3RIOfUdg5mqq%2F4w%2B9NY7HUqD9sQUTEU%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >> .
> >> I have also tried changing some of the PuTTY settings (like changing
> >> the cursor from block to under and to vertical) but I have not found
> >> the solution.
> >> If anyone can recommend solutions or how to script something that may
> >> solve my problem, it would be very much appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: weird issue with my downloads folder

Marie
 

You can go into the view menu and choose not to have items grouped.
 
 

From: james f hooper
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 6:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] weird issue with my downloads folder
 

Greetings all, okay just updated to windows 1903 using jaws 2019latest build.

The weird thing is now when I open my downloads folder it is saying like yesterday in terms of what  files were added today, last week last month I just want a regular list of files anyway to get that back.

Re: A observation.

Marie
 

This is a pretty unfair statement. I have all three screen readers on my systems and find that there are many things Jaws can do well that the other two can not. And for me Jaws does it easier in most cases. So all have their strengths and weaknesses.
Marie
 
 

From: David Moore
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] A observation.
 

Hey Ronnie
JAWS is not worth what it costs is it? It cannot do that like Narrator and NVDA¹!
David Moore


On Sun, Jun 2, 2019, 12:18 AM Ron Kolesar <kolesar16417@... wrote:
Hello to my fellow JAWS users.
I noticed the following tonight and would appreciate your feedback.
I'm moving some files from a SD card to a back up folder.
If I use either narrator and or NVDA, it not only gives me the progress
report, but it also gives me the speed at what my processor is moving the
miles at.
When I do this within JAWS, it doesn't give me the rate that the processor
has to work and how fast the processor is moving the files.
Any chance to get this in the next upgrade of JAWS?
Just a thought.
Ron
In the good old days of Morse code Shorthand, 73's AKA Best Regards and or
Best Whishes,
From Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG-PA-WCECTM
Pennsylvania West County Emergency Com-Tree Manager