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Re: The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

Judy Jones
 

Wow, you’re right, our experiences are different for sure, but I appreciate your input.  I got my first computer with Windows 95, but really started learning before Windows.

 

Remember WordPerfect 5?  I haven’t yet seen a word processor quite as good, but apologies, I digress.

 

Thanks again.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

My experience is definitely different from yours. I know it’s possible to configure both keys that share the same name (whether alt, windows or whatever) to do different things, but they seldom do, and the windows key seems the least likely of all of them to be so differently configured. Certainly Microsoft didn’t set it up that way; right now I can use right-or-left-windows key to open the search/start box, or combinations like windows-b, windows-w,  windows-a, etc, using either key, and the result is exactly the same. That’s been the case on every desktop I’ve ever had at least. I’m no expert on laptops and the last time I borrowed one I ended up plugging my desktop keyboard into it! *grins*

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: September 19, 2018 2:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Yes, but I haven’t seen a keyboard yet whose “right-windows” key gives the same options as the left-windows key, and I’ve been using systems since 1997.  However, there are so many keyboards and computers out there now.  Most keyboards have 2 ctrl, 2 alt, and 2 windows-keys, but those having different functions.  But technically, you are right, the application key.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi.

 

Do you mean the applications key?

The right windows key does the same thing as the left windows key – that is, open cortana/start/search box.

To get the functions of the applications key (which sometimes can be reached by right-clicking, but not always), try shift-f10.

I know some laptops have the function keys mapped to do other things, so you’ll have to make sure you have regular access to those first. I think this is what the “fn” key is usually for, but maybe see particular instructions on your laptop model.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: September 19, 2018 12:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

Re: The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

Judy Jones
 

That’s interesting.  The alt-enter does nothing here.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Reed Poynter
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi Judy,

 

In your note below, you say, “to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop,.”

From this, I have assumed that you already have the app’s icon on the desktop and you want to assign a shortcut key to it.  So, you are not looking for the Send-To.

 

In most cases, Alt+enter opens the properties window for the selected item.  If you have a shortcut selected on the desktop, Alt+Enter should open a properties window for that shortcut.  I’ve used Windows from Windows 3.1 and can’t think of a version of Windows where this hasn’t worked.  Not that I’ve seen every install of Windows.

 

      As with the Shift+F10 and the Right-Click, the Alt+Enter is context sensitive.  In some instances, the Shift+10 will give you the selection you are looking for other times it will not.     

 

Regarding the Right-Click, the mouse has to be sitting on the icon that you want to work with before you can use the right-click.  on my Windows 10 with JAWS 2018,  when I try to route the JAWS Cursor to the pc cursor, it doesn’t work.  So when I do a right-click, the menu choices I get are regarding the desktop itself rather than the icon I am sitting on.

 

For me, I can get to the selected icon’s properties with Alt+Enter or Shift+F10.  If I use Shift+10, I hit the Up-Arrow one time to find Properties.

In the properties window, I can assign a shortcut key.

 

Reed

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: September 19, 2018 12:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Thank you.  Alt-enter does diddly-squat, nothing, just sits right at the icon I’m pointing at.  You are right, I will try the F10.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:11 PM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi Judy. I think you are getting conflicting information. Pressing alt enter on a desktop shortcut is not the same as simulating the right mouse click with shift f10. If, for instance, you want to find the send to option so you can accomplish tasks such as placing an icon to a program on the desktop, you would highlight the item, then press shift f10 to accomplish the same as the applications key would. Pressing alt enter doesn’t do that, it just takes you directly to the properties. I think if you do shift f10 where you would normally press the apps key, you will be able to do what you want.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Thanks for helping me find a solution, though.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:04 PM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

I know, it’s one of the annoying things about dell. Don’t get me wrong, I love my dells, but I wish they had the application key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

You are right, application key.  Dell has neither.

 

Thanks.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:18 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi. Tim’s correct, but you are confusing the right windows key with the application key.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Timothy Appleby
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi there, You can use shift f-10 to accomplish that task, for example, if you want to place shortcut on the desktop for a folder and or an existing file, press shift-10 then arrow down until you hear send to, several options populate, select desktop to place that particular icon onto the desktop.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Timothy

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

Re: The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

Reed Poynter
 

Hi Judy,

 

In your note below, you say, “to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop,.”

From this, I have assumed that you already have the app’s icon on the desktop and you want to assign a shortcut key to it.  So, you are not looking for the Send-To.

 

In most cases, Alt+enter opens the properties window for the selected item.  If you have a shortcut selected on the desktop, Alt+Enter should open a properties window for that shortcut.  I’ve used Windows from Windows 3.1 and can’t think of a version of Windows where this hasn’t worked.  Not that I’ve seen every install of Windows.

 

      As with the Shift+F10 and the Right-Click, the Alt+Enter is context sensitive.  In some instances, the Shift+10 will give you the selection you are looking for other times it will not.     

 

Regarding the Right-Click, the mouse has to be sitting on the icon that you want to work with before you can use the right-click.  on my Windows 10 with JAWS 2018,  when I try to route the JAWS Cursor to the pc cursor, it doesn’t work.  So when I do a right-click, the menu choices I get are regarding the desktop itself rather than the icon I am sitting on.

 

For me, I can get to the selected icon’s properties with Alt+Enter or Shift+F10.  If I use Shift+10, I hit the Up-Arrow one time to find Properties.

In the properties window, I can assign a shortcut key.

 

Reed

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: September 19, 2018 12:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Thank you.  Alt-enter does diddly-squat, nothing, just sits right at the icon I’m pointing at.  You are right, I will try the F10.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:11 PM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi Judy. I think you are getting conflicting information. Pressing alt enter on a desktop shortcut is not the same as simulating the right mouse click with shift f10. If, for instance, you want to find the send to option so you can accomplish tasks such as placing an icon to a program on the desktop, you would highlight the item, then press shift f10 to accomplish the same as the applications key would. Pressing alt enter doesn’t do that, it just takes you directly to the properties. I think if you do shift f10 where you would normally press the apps key, you will be able to do what you want.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:06 PM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Thanks for helping me find a solution, though.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:04 PM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

I know, it’s one of the annoying things about dell. Don’t get me wrong, I love my dells, but I wish they had the application key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:50 PM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

You are right, application key.  Dell has neither.

 

Thanks.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:18 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi. Tim’s correct, but you are confusing the right windows key with the application key.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Timothy Appleby
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:13 PM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi there, You can use shift f-10 to accomplish that task, for example, if you want to place shortcut on the desktop for a folder and or an existing file, press shift-10 then arrow down until you hear send to, several options populate, select desktop to place that particular icon onto the desktop.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Timothy

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:09 PM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

Re: Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

Karim Lakhani
 

When signing to the micro soft web site and using the  CAPTCHA  method is workable, it gives you words that you can type in and they don't have to be in the exact order but the words can be played back more then once.
Why don't other web sites use this method?
I'm not a great Braille reader, but I would think those words would be translated into Braille?
Thanks!
 
 
 
 


From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

Morning all,

OCR has come a very long way since I used the first Kurtz while reader in the mid-80s, but it has its limitations. CAPTCHAs are created specifically to be unidentifiable by OCR systems. Though at times, OCR can convert these, if there was a much better rate of success doing that, you can bet that the designers of CAPTCHAs would work at making even nastier ones. The auditory CAPTCHA  can often be useless especially for folks like me who also have a hearing loss.

 

A few times, I have encountered auditory CAPTCHAs with none of the background noise one usually finds. This other form speaks a simple problem or question to which the human provides an answer. There well may be ways of defeating that approach, but it would seem to be an alternative with potential. Given the numbers of visually impaired elder boomers in my generation who will develop vision loss, I hope that other methods will be created.

Rick

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

You can sometimes read the text of an image posted on facebook. Here’s what I’ve started to do.

Open the image in “full size”. This means it basically has its own browser tab.

Save the .jpg.

Recognise with jAWS.

It sometimes works.

I’ve only been using jAWS 2018 for about a week, but I noticed the oCR is much improved from JAWS 18. It’s still not of a high standard, but I can get intelligible text from an image at least some of the time.

 

Of course, a lot of things can interfere with oCR. The other day someone posted an image of a vintage horror/sci-fi movie on facebook. I did the usual oCR trick and ended up with something like “vewiuroapeiy v b r mst r 0”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I agree.  I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

this, then you can bet the companies that design Captia would work harder a making them indecipherable.

How to have Jaws read the title of a message within MS Outlook2016

James Malone
 

Hi all, I have a client that when she opens Outlook, the subject of the message doesn’t show when arrowing down the list. Is there a way to reset Outlook so it displays the message?

We get instead, click here to download pictures, Outlook blocked some of the downloads of this messages.

This is coming up all the time.

How can we fix this error message within Outlook.

Thanks.

James

 

Re: The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

My experience is definitely different from yours. I know it’s possible to configure both keys that share the same name (whether alt, windows or whatever) to do different things, but they seldom do, and the windows key seems the least likely of all of them to be so differently configured. Certainly Microsoft didn’t set it up that way; right now I can use right-or-left-windows key to open the search/start box, or combinations like windows-b, windows-w,  windows-a, etc, using either key, and the result is exactly the same. That’s been the case on every desktop I’ve ever had at least. I’m no expert on laptops and the last time I borrowed one I ended up plugging my desktop keyboard into it! *grins*

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: September 19, 2018 2:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Yes, but I haven’t seen a keyboard yet whose “right-windows” key gives the same options as the left-windows key, and I’ve been using systems since 1997.  However, there are so many keyboards and computers out there now.  Most keyboards have 2 ctrl, 2 alt, and 2 windows-keys, but those having different functions.  But technically, you are right, the application key.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi.

 

Do you mean the applications key?

The right windows key does the same thing as the left windows key – that is, open cortana/start/search box.

To get the functions of the applications key (which sometimes can be reached by right-clicking, but not always), try shift-f10.

I know some laptops have the function keys mapped to do other things, so you’ll have to make sure you have regular access to those first. I think this is what the “fn” key is usually for, but maybe see particular instructions on your laptop model.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: September 19, 2018 12:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

Re: The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

On just about every desktop keyboard I’ve had since starting the Windows experience with 98, the applications key is just to the right of the right windows key. So, why have two “synonymous” keys on the keyboard that are located right next to each other that perform exactly the same function? I know laptops often dispense with “extra” keys, but I feel like someone led you astray on this.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: September 19, 2018 2:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

The various laptops I have experienced, Lenovo, Asus, Toshiba have all had the application key.  I was taught in the long long ago that the application key is synonymous with right-windows-key, even though they have different functions.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:15 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

I can recall ever seeing a laptop keyboard with a right windows key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

Re: Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

Judy Jones
 

You're right, I just got off a site like that.

Judy

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry


This "I am not a robot" check box is not always accessible with JAWS.
Sometimes, when you hit the Space bar to check it, JAWS does not announce
that it has been checked, and there is no way to determine whether it is
actually checked or unchecked. And sometimes, no matter what you do- hit
the space bar or enter key or perform a mouse click, you cannot check this
box, and so, this alternative can be just as frustrating as an unsolvable
captcha.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

The "I am not a robot," is just a checkbox. I wish every site would do that
for sure!




Judy
sent from the BrailleSense U2 Mini

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CC:
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:25 am
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry



Judy,
I never thought to check to see if there is visible text on the "I am not
a robot." Next time I run into one, I will check and post. How cool would
it be if that were the case and only screen reader users would know about
it.
Rick

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

I've seen some sites recently that simply have a checkbox you check that
says "I'm not a robot."

Even with some of the funny squiggly print in captchas, sighted folks have
difficulty with them.

Judy


From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On
Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

Morning all,
OCR has come a very long way since I used the first Kurtz while reader in
the mid-80s, but it has its limitations. CAPTCHAs are created specifically
to be unidentifiable by OCR systems. Though at times, OCR can convert
these, if there was a much better rate of success doing that, you can bet
that the designers of CAPTCHAs would work at making even nastier ones. The
auditory CAPTCHA can often be useless especially for folks like me who
also have a hearing loss.

A few times, I have encountered auditory CAPTCHAs with none of the
background noise one usually finds. This other form speaks a simple
problem or question to which the human provides an answer. There well may
be ways of defeating that approach, but it would seem to be an alternative
with potential. Given the numbers of visually impaired elder boomers in my
generation who will develop vision loss, I hope that other methods will be
created.
Rick

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

You can sometimes read the text of an image posted on facebook. Here's
what I've started to do.
Open the image in "full size". This means it basically has its own browser
tab.
Save the .jpg.
Recognise with jAWS.
It sometimes works.
I've only been using jAWS 2018 for about a week, but I noticed the oCR is
much improved from JAWS 18. It's still not of a high standard, but I can
get intelligible text from an image at least some of the time.

Of course, a lot of things can interfere with oCR. The other day someone
posted an image of a vintage horror/sci-fi movie on facebook. I did the
usual oCR trick and ended up with something like "vewiuroapeiy v b r mst r
0"


From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dennis L
Sent: September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

I agree. I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as
reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On
Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

So let us suggest it again.
Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws. That would be
nice. Thank you.

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
-St. Francis

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:
I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with
anything above Firefox 52.
I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website,
so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to
use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those
sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so
garbled as to be useless.

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading
capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.


----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

I've never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported
anymore anyway, so I'm not going to suggest that.
To be honest I've never successfully solved this problem without sighted
assistance, if there is no audio option.
Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it's too garbled to make
much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.
But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them
charge a small fee for use and I have never tried.
Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it's an add-on for
Chrome.




From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

Morning all.

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers
is in high gear today.

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a
website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia
at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell
laptop. Thanks in advance.

Jerry

this, then you can bet the companies that design Captia would work harder
a making them indecipherable.
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Re: Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

Judy Jones
 

That’s interesting I just now saw this e-mail, because I was just on a site where the checkbox would not check for me either.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

 

checking the box rarely does anything for me.  I still am asked to solve the CAPTCHA.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:20 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

 

I’ve seen some sites recently that simply have a checkbox you check that says “I’m not a robot.”

 

Even with some of the funny squiggly print in captchas, sighted folks have difficulty with them.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

 

Morning all,

OCR has come a very long way since I used the first Kurtz while reader in the mid-80s, but it has its limitations. CAPTCHAs are created specifically to be unidentifiable by OCR systems. Though at times, OCR can convert these, if there was a much better rate of success doing that, you can bet that the designers of CAPTCHAs would work at making even nastier ones. The auditory CAPTCHA  can often be useless especially for folks like me who also have a hearing loss.

 

A few times, I have encountered auditory CAPTCHAs with none of the background noise one usually finds. This other form speaks a simple problem or question to which the human provides an answer. There well may be ways of defeating that approach, but it would seem to be an alternative with potential. Given the numbers of visually impaired elder boomers in my generation who will develop vision loss, I hope that other methods will be created.

Rick

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

You can sometimes read the text of an image posted on facebook. Here’s what I’ve started to do.

Open the image in “full size”. This means it basically has its own browser tab.

Save the .jpg.

Recognise with jAWS.

It sometimes works.

I’ve only been using jAWS 2018 for about a week, but I noticed the oCR is much improved from JAWS 18. It’s still not of a high standard, but I can get intelligible text from an image at least some of the time.

 

Of course, a lot of things can interfere with oCR. The other day someone posted an image of a vintage horror/sci-fi movie on facebook. I did the usual oCR trick and ended up with something like “vewiuroapeiy v b r mst r 0”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I agree.  I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

this, then you can bet the companies that design Captia would work harder a making them indecipherable.

Excel 2016 Crashes Around Row 24/25 After Pulling Data from a Query

Brian Prewitt
 

Good afternoon,

 

I have an excel report that get its data from a query to a database.  I open the Excel file and login to our accounting program and a query pulls the resulting data into Excel.  After pulling in the data, I can arrow down to about row 24/25 and Excel crashes.  If I page down past row 24/25 Excel does not crash.  I am using Excel 2016 with Jaws 2018 under Windows 10 1709.  Thank you for your help.

 

Brian Prewitt

Information Systems Manager

Mississippi Industries for the Blind

2501 North West Street

Jackson, MS 39216

P:  (601) 984-3213

F:  (601) 987-3892

http://www.msblind.org

 

Re: JFW 2019, so far

Dennis L
 

I like the new way of doing things as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Rose
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JFW 2019, so far

You can go into Key labels and turn on the tab key if you wish, this feature
is intended to make movement between apps faster, and is very much
appreciated by many of us.
So far no problems other than slow download and fairly slow install.
Neither major, just promised and not for me a given on a computer that is
less than one year old. Certainly not a deal breaker.


-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 5:16 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JFW 2019, so far

A couple of things I have noticed.

1. No speaking of "alt-tab" between screens.
2. Automatic speaking of auto-completed addresses in Internet Explorer.
3. The settings transfer from JFW 2018 included not only settings but
third-party scripts for my out-dated email client. Hur raw!
4. When in an edit field including more than one line, JFW now says
'multi-line",.

So far it is very stable and wonderfully cooperative.

Re: Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

Andy
 

checking the box rarely does anything for me.  I still am asked to solve the CAPTCHA.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

I’ve seen some sites recently that simply have a checkbox you check that says “I’m not a robot.”

 

Even with some of the funny squiggly print in captchas, sighted folks have difficulty with them.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

 

Morning all,

OCR has come a very long way since I used the first Kurtz while reader in the mid-80s, but it has its limitations. CAPTCHAs are created specifically to be unidentifiable by OCR systems. Though at times, OCR can convert these, if there was a much better rate of success doing that, you can bet that the designers of CAPTCHAs would work at making even nastier ones. The auditory CAPTCHA  can often be useless especially for folks like me who also have a hearing loss.

 

A few times, I have encountered auditory CAPTCHAs with none of the background noise one usually finds. This other form speaks a simple problem or question to which the human provides an answer. There well may be ways of defeating that approach, but it would seem to be an alternative with potential. Given the numbers of visually impaired elder boomers in my generation who will develop vision loss, I hope that other methods will be created.

Rick

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

You can sometimes read the text of an image posted on facebook. Here’s what I’ve started to do.

Open the image in “full size”. This means it basically has its own browser tab.

Save the .jpg.

Recognise with jAWS.

It sometimes works.

I’ve only been using jAWS 2018 for about a week, but I noticed the oCR is much improved from JAWS 18. It’s still not of a high standard, but I can get intelligible text from an image at least some of the time.

 

Of course, a lot of things can interfere with oCR. The other day someone posted an image of a vintage horror/sci-fi movie on facebook. I did the usual oCR trick and ended up with something like “vewiuroapeiy v b r mst r 0”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I agree.  I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

this, then you can bet the companies that design Captia would work harder a making them indecipherable.

Re: Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

Gerald Levy
 

This "I am not a robot" check box is not always accessible with JAWS. Sometimes, when you hit the Space bar to check it, JAWS does not announce that it has been checked, and there is no way to determine whether it is actually checked or unchecked. And sometimes, no matter what you do- hit the space bar or enter key or perform a mouse click, you cannot check this box, and so, this alternative can be just as frustrating as an unsolvable captcha.

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

The "I am not a robot," is just a checkbox. I wish every site would do that for sure!




Judy
sent from the BrailleSense U2 Mini

----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
CC:
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:25 am
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry



Judy,
I never thought to check to see if there is visible text on the "I am not a robot." Next time I run into one, I will check and post. How cool would it be if that were the case and only screen reader users would know about it.
Rick

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

I've seen some sites recently that simply have a checkbox you check that says "I'm not a robot."

Even with some of the funny squiggly print in captchas, sighted folks have difficulty with them.

Judy


From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

Morning all,
OCR has come a very long way since I used the first Kurtz while reader in the mid-80s, but it has its limitations. CAPTCHAs are created specifically to be unidentifiable by OCR systems. Though at times, OCR can convert these, if there was a much better rate of success doing that, you can bet that the designers of CAPTCHAs would work at making even nastier ones. The auditory CAPTCHA can often be useless especially for folks like me who also have a hearing loss.

A few times, I have encountered auditory CAPTCHAs with none of the background noise one usually finds. This other form speaks a simple problem or question to which the human provides an answer. There well may be ways of defeating that approach, but it would seem to be an alternative with potential. Given the numbers of visually impaired elder boomers in my generation who will develop vision loss, I hope that other methods will be created.
Rick

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

You can sometimes read the text of an image posted on facebook. Here's what I've started to do.
Open the image in "full size". This means it basically has its own browser tab.
Save the .jpg.
Recognise with jAWS.
It sometimes works.
I've only been using jAWS 2018 for about a week, but I noticed the oCR is much improved from JAWS 18. It's still not of a high standard, but I can get intelligible text from an image at least some of the time.

Of course, a lot of things can interfere with oCR. The other day someone posted an image of a vintage horror/sci-fi movie on facebook. I did the usual oCR trick and ended up with something like "vewiuroapeiy v b r mst r 0"


From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

I agree. I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

So let us suggest it again.
Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws. That would be nice. Thank you.

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
-St. Francis

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:
I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52.
I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.


----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

I've never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I'm not going to suggest that.
To be honest I've never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.
Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it's too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.
But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have never tried.
Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it's an add-on for Chrome.




From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

Morning all.

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

Jerry

this, then you can bet the companies that design Captia would work harder a making them indecipherable.
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Re: The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

Judy Jones
 

Thank you.  Alt-enter does diddly-squat, nothing, just sits right at the icon I’m pointing at.  You are right, I will try the F10.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi Judy. I think you are getting conflicting information. Pressing alt enter on a desktop shortcut is not the same as simulating the right mouse click with shift f10. If, for instance, you want to find the send to option so you can accomplish tasks such as placing an icon to a program on the desktop, you would highlight the item, then press shift f10 to accomplish the same as the applications key would. Pressing alt enter doesn’t do that, it just takes you directly to the properties. I think if you do shift f10 where you would normally press the apps key, you will be able to do what you want.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Thanks for helping me find a solution, though.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

I know, it’s one of the annoying things about dell. Don’t get me wrong, I love my dells, but I wish they had the application key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

You are right, application key.  Dell has neither.

 

Thanks.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi. Tim’s correct, but you are confusing the right windows key with the application key.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Timothy Appleby
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi there, You can use shift f-10 to accomplish that task, for example, if you want to place shortcut on the desktop for a folder and or an existing file, press shift-10 then arrow down until you hear send to, several options populate, select desktop to place that particular icon onto the desktop.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Timothy

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

Re: Jaws ski F7

lyacks@...
 

Hi,

I hate counting too, especially since my keyboard has no more space between f4 and f5, etc. like larger keyboards. So, I got some sticky bumps and put them on f1, f5, f9, and the key next to f12. This has made my life easier and my computering faster.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws ski F7

My F7 key works fine it’s just that I’m tired of having to count from left to right to get to it. I guess you can say it’s my personal irritation.

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.

On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:57 AM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:

I don't believe so. Why, does your f7 key not work?

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:23 AM
To: Jaws Users <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws ski F7

Is there an alternative key to the insert F7 key in jaws 2018 to activate links

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.





Re: IE and Edge

Karim Lakhani
 

I think edge is needing more short cut keys, maybe I'm not looking in the right places?
terminology has changed maybe, instead of adding a favorite?
you can add a web site as a reading list?
the application is the main key, instead of using the alt key and scrolling through the choices doesn't work for me.
I'm using win 10 and jaws 2018.
If someone can educate me about this it would be appreciated.
Also why can't jaws do audio ducking?
Thanks in advance!
 
 
 



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] IE and Edge

FYI. New update of W10 in the default app for internet now olny shows edge. No more IE. I updated W10 this morning and new show that in default app.

Holger Fiallo

Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

Andy
 


Most sites offer an audio CAPTCHA and according to the Web accessibility guidelines an audio CAPTCHA is accessible.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

Not sure why, but I find that a bit difficult to swallow.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

 

Eric has insisted for many years that adding a captchaa-solving feature to JAWS is not technically possible.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: chris judge

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:42 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

Andy
 


OCR only works with actual text. CAPTCHAs are images, not real text. And the new CAPTCHAs are getting more sophisticated. You are asked to look at a picture and to find the red cars, etc.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:08 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

Interesting. If a sighted person can solve a capcha by looking at it, why can’t OCR be made to work?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of pasquale acquaviva via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Hi Maria,

 

I think the answer to your below question is that captchas are solved by real human beings who are sitting somewhere and providing the necessary information to you via the particular application that is being used, e.g., WebVisum). To the best of my knowledge, the particular information that is contained within the captcha cannot, as yet, be understood by a machine. If this were possible, Doctor Turing's method of circumventing machine identification of purposely weird-looking letters and numbers would be rendered absolutely pointless, and the captcha would have no inherent value.

 

As the old saying goes, "one rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel spoils the whole barrel", and we innocents who are undeserving of the precautions that are taken against such wicked perversity are made to pay dearly for it. Oh, how I wish this miserable situation were not the case in the real world, but it seems as though we must continue to suffer!

 

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 3:30:48 PM CDT, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

 

 

If Webbisum could do it, when it worked, why not VFO?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

There might be some legal concerns regarding FS implementing technology to circumvent a security measure.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I have had no end of success with Webvisum and Firefox.

 

In fact, I haven’t updated my Firefox in so long because I'm reading posts the Webvisum plug-in doesn’t work with newer versions of Firefox, but I don’t really mind much since I solely use it for CAPTCHA solving in any case, but yet.  Out of all the years I’ve been using the add-on, I’ve only failed to solve the CAPTCHA twice, and in each instance, it asked me to resubmit and the CAPTCHA was solved on the second try.

 

So, again, I’ve no idea why people rag on Webvisum so much.  Like I said, I’ve had nothing but success with it.

 

Victor

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

Re: The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

chris judge
 

Hi Judy. I think you are getting conflicting information. Pressing alt enter on a desktop shortcut is not the same as simulating the right mouse click with shift f10. If, for instance, you want to find the send to option so you can accomplish tasks such as placing an icon to a program on the desktop, you would highlight the item, then press shift f10 to accomplish the same as the applications key would. Pressing alt enter doesn’t do that, it just takes you directly to the properties. I think if you do shift f10 where you would normally press the apps key, you will be able to do what you want.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Thanks for helping me find a solution, though.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

I know, it’s one of the annoying things about dell. Don’t get me wrong, I love my dells, but I wish they had the application key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

You are right, application key.  Dell has neither.

 

Thanks.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi. Tim’s correct, but you are confusing the right windows key with the application key.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Timothy Appleby
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi there, You can use shift f-10 to accomplish that task, for example, if you want to place shortcut on the desktop for a folder and or an existing file, press shift-10 then arrow down until you hear send to, several options populate, select desktop to place that particular icon onto the desktop.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Timothy

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

Re: The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

Judy Jones
 

Thanks for helping me find a solution, though.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

I know, it’s one of the annoying things about dell. Don’t get me wrong, I love my dells, but I wish they had the application key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

You are right, application key.  Dell has neither.

 

Thanks.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi. Tim’s correct, but you are confusing the right windows key with the application key.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Timothy Appleby
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

Hi there, You can use shift f-10 to accomplish that task, for example, if you want to place shortcut on the desktop for a folder and or an existing file, press shift-10 then arrow down until you hear send to, several options populate, select desktop to place that particular icon onto the desktop.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Timothy

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy