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Re: Reading PDF files with edge

Rose
 

No Adobe seems to be up to date but it seems also not to work.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 11:16 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading PDF files with edge

Can you open the file with Adobe instead of Edge???
At 09:56 AM 10/12/2018, you wrote:
Yeah, used to work on the files I am trying to read but no longer.


-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf
Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:59 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading PDF files with edge

If possible, I often save PDFs to my computer. Then, you could use the
JAWS OCR option to read it without going into Acrobat.


-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf
Of Bill Holton
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 3:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading PDF files with edge

I will do practically anything not to have to install an Adobe app on
my computer.

On Oct 10, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
<Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io> wrote:

I haven't gotten it to work, so I changed my default app settings to
load
them in Acrobat.


-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On
Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 2:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading PDF files with edge

i don't think the pdf reader has any accessibility options. at least
it didn't when i used the windows 10 annaversery version.
see if the accessible adobe version is availible for windows 10.
this might work.
wait for other posters responses before you try it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Holton
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 12:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Reading PDF files with edge

I tried a few bank statements using edge, but I could never get past
the menus to the actual text. The same files would not read well if
I loaded them into word. Anyone know of a resource that explains how
do you use edge to read PDFs with jaws?








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Re: chrome

Marie <scribbles5@...>
 

You are the second one today to say that you have to down arrow after the alt+f and before pressing the letter B. I never have to press the down arrow and I go right to my bookmarks. Just another of those funny quirks in the world of computer I guess.
Marie
 
 

From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 6:45 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome
 

Here’s how I work with Chrome’s bookmarks. First, some basics.

 

Bookmarks are to Chrome what favorites are to Internet Explorer.

 

Open Chrome and go to a page, any page, such as your default homepage. Make sure that once open, the page isn’t blank. Sometimes I open Chrome to my default homepage, but nothing is there. If that’s the case, press F5 and it should appear.

Now press the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Note that this menu isn’t structured the way many of us were familiar with in the pre-ribbon days, nor is it a ribbon.

Arrow up or down once to get into the menu, then press b for bookmark. If you don’t first do this arrow keystroke, “b” doesn’t register.

You’ll land on a bookmarks submenu. Press enter.

Now you can arrow up or down through the bookmark options, including any bookmarks you’ve preset.

If you wish to import bookmarks from another browser, you’ll see that option clearly labeled.

To create a new bookmark, you don’t need to be in these menus. As with IE, press control-d on the page you want to return to. Chrome, like IE, gives you the option to edit the bookmark’s name.

 

Now for some pointers that work for me but that I don’t fully understand. They may not work for everyone.

First, a limitation is that imported bookmarks are kept separate from those you create with Chrome. If anyone knows how to merge all Chrome bookmarks into one convenient place, I’d love the answer.

Second, an item in the Chrome menu enables you to “show bookmarks bar.” I believe the default is unchecked; I checked it. I’m not really sure what this bar does for JAWS users, but it’s almost certainly the reason why something very useful happened after I checked this box.

When in Chrome, with the bookmarks bar checked, I can press F6 to get to my IE bookmarks. When I first open Chrome, I just need to press F6 once. After I’ve opened a page, two presses bring up this list.

I press enter, then arrow down or first-letter navigate through my imported IE bookmarks.

Why only IE bookmarks show up in the F6 is a mystery to me. However, since almost all my long-established bookmarks  are there, I’m content. Otherwise, for newly created bookmarks, I go to the Chrome menu with alt, arrow up or down once, press b, then enter, and then arrow up through the new list.

 

A note on my previous Chrome post.

I mentioned Chrome’s reliance on headers. I should have explained that this is the case in the “Settings” section of the Chrome menu.

 

I find Chrome’s menu structure clunky but workable. It was when my IE favorites started showing up with F6 that I felt I could work with it. I do a lot of online research, and there’s no doubt that Chrome gives access to more websites than the other two leading windows browsers, and also better access than most to each website once it is opened. There are exceptions, which is why I keep IE and Firefox.

 

Dennis, I don’t know why audio streams aren’t automatically playing for you. They do for me, unless I’ve accidentally muted my speakers or a website.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.

 

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.

 

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

 

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.

 

If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Lenny McHugh

To: JFW List

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome

 

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

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Wells Fargo Web Site and Chrome

Paul Hunt <prhunt1@...>
 

Hello everybody. I’m trying to use Wells Fargo with Chrome. When I look at my accounts, I don’t see the tables. If I launch Wells Fargo with Chrome on my iPhone and access the desktop site, I see tables. This behavior happens with JAWS 2018 and 2019. I’m not sure what’s going on. I’m wondering if Chrome is accessing the mobile site? If so, how can I tell Chrome to access the desktop?
Any ideas?
Thanks so much.
Paul


Re: chrome

Adrian Spratt
 

As I said, they usually do for me. If they don’t, as in the mute situation I mentioned, sometimes I need to find a play button. There is one website I visit where the audio does not play and there’s no play button. The same is true for that website when I use IE. However, I can get to the play button on that webpage with Firefox. This is a rare exception. Mostly, when I use Chrome, Audio streams start up right away when I land on a webpage playing one.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:16 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

They don’t automatically play in chrome.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:45 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Here’s how I work with Chrome’s bookmarks. First, some basics.

 

Bookmarks are to Chrome what favorites are to Internet Explorer.

 

Open Chrome and go to a page, any page, such as your default homepage. Make sure that once open, the page isn’t blank. Sometimes I open Chrome to my default homepage, but nothing is there. If that’s the case, press F5 and it should appear.

Now press the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Note that this menu isn’t structured the way many of us were familiar with in the pre-ribbon days, nor is it a ribbon.

Arrow up or down once to get into the menu, then press b for bookmark. If you don’t first do this arrow keystroke, “b” doesn’t register.

You’ll land on a bookmarks submenu. Press enter.

Now you can arrow up or down through the bookmark options, including any bookmarks you’ve preset.

If you wish to import bookmarks from another browser, you’ll see that option clearly labeled.

To create a new bookmark, you don’t need to be in these menus. As with IE, press control-d on the page you want to return to. Chrome, like IE, gives you the option to edit the bookmark’s name.

 

Now for some pointers that work for me but that I don’t fully understand. They may not work for everyone.

First, a limitation is that imported bookmarks are kept separate from those you create with Chrome. If anyone knows how to merge all Chrome bookmarks into one convenient place, I’d love the answer.

Second, an item in the Chrome menu enables you to “show bookmarks bar.” I believe the default is unchecked; I checked it. I’m not really sure what this bar does for JAWS users, but it’s almost certainly the reason why something very useful happened after I checked this box.

When in Chrome, with the bookmarks bar checked, I can press F6 to get to my IE bookmarks. When I first open Chrome, I just need to press F6 once. After I’ve opened a page, two presses bring up this list.

I press enter, then arrow down or first-letter navigate through my imported IE bookmarks.

Why only IE bookmarks show up in the F6 is a mystery to me. However, since almost all my long-established bookmarks  are there, I’m content. Otherwise, for newly created bookmarks, I go to the Chrome menu with alt, arrow up or down once, press b, then enter, and then arrow up through the new list.

 

A note on my previous Chrome post.

I mentioned Chrome’s reliance on headers. I should have explained that this is the case in the “Settings” section of the Chrome menu.

 

I find Chrome’s menu structure clunky but workable. It was when my IE favorites started showing up with F6 that I felt I could work with it. I do a lot of online research, and there’s no doubt that Chrome gives access to more websites than the other two leading windows browsers, and also better access than most to each website once it is opened. There are exceptions, which is why I keep IE and Firefox.

 

Dennis, I don’t know why audio streams aren’t automatically playing for you. They do for me, unless I’ve accidentally muted my speakers or a website.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.

 

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.

 

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

 

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.

 

If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Lenny McHugh

To: JFW List

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome

 

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: chrome

Dennis L
 

They don’t automatically play in chrome.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:45 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Here’s how I work with Chrome’s bookmarks. First, some basics.

 

Bookmarks are to Chrome what favorites are to Internet Explorer.

 

Open Chrome and go to a page, any page, such as your default homepage. Make sure that once open, the page isn’t blank. Sometimes I open Chrome to my default homepage, but nothing is there. If that’s the case, press F5 and it should appear.

Now press the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Note that this menu isn’t structured the way many of us were familiar with in the pre-ribbon days, nor is it a ribbon.

Arrow up or down once to get into the menu, then press b for bookmark. If you don’t first do this arrow keystroke, “b” doesn’t register.

You’ll land on a bookmarks submenu. Press enter.

Now you can arrow up or down through the bookmark options, including any bookmarks you’ve preset.

If you wish to import bookmarks from another browser, you’ll see that option clearly labeled.

To create a new bookmark, you don’t need to be in these menus. As with IE, press control-d on the page you want to return to. Chrome, like IE, gives you the option to edit the bookmark’s name.

 

Now for some pointers that work for me but that I don’t fully understand. They may not work for everyone.

First, a limitation is that imported bookmarks are kept separate from those you create with Chrome. If anyone knows how to merge all Chrome bookmarks into one convenient place, I’d love the answer.

Second, an item in the Chrome menu enables you to “show bookmarks bar.” I believe the default is unchecked; I checked it. I’m not really sure what this bar does for JAWS users, but it’s almost certainly the reason why something very useful happened after I checked this box.

When in Chrome, with the bookmarks bar checked, I can press F6 to get to my IE bookmarks. When I first open Chrome, I just need to press F6 once. After I’ve opened a page, two presses bring up this list.

I press enter, then arrow down or first-letter navigate through my imported IE bookmarks.

Why only IE bookmarks show up in the F6 is a mystery to me. However, since almost all my long-established bookmarks  are there, I’m content. Otherwise, for newly created bookmarks, I go to the Chrome menu with alt, arrow up or down once, press b, then enter, and then arrow up through the new list.

 

A note on my previous Chrome post.

I mentioned Chrome’s reliance on headers. I should have explained that this is the case in the “Settings” section of the Chrome menu.

 

I find Chrome’s menu structure clunky but workable. It was when my IE favorites started showing up with F6 that I felt I could work with it. I do a lot of online research, and there’s no doubt that Chrome gives access to more websites than the other two leading windows browsers, and also better access than most to each website once it is opened. There are exceptions, which is why I keep IE and Firefox.

 

Dennis, I don’t know why audio streams aren’t automatically playing for you. They do for me, unless I’ve accidentally muted my speakers or a website.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.

 

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.

 

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

 

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.

 

If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome

 

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


To Access Favorites In Chrome

Rebecca Lineberger
 

I have Windows 10, 1809, the latest version of both JAWS and Chrome.

I find Chrome just as easy as IE, once you get used to the different menu structure.

The Favorites in Chrome are called Bookmarks.  So to access my Bookmarks:

I press the alt key to open the menu.  I find that it’s necessary to arrow down once before using shortcut keys.  So I arrow down once, then press b for bookmarks.  You can do several things at this point.  Either press enter to open it, or press right arrow instead, which does the same thing.  Arrow down to what you are looking for and press enter.

However, you can also use shortcut keys.  So after I’ve pressed b for bookmark, I press either o for other, which is where Chrome stores the bookmarks I’ve created in Chrome.  I imported my favorites from IE though, so if I want one of those instead, I press i twice till it says imported from IE.  Press enter or right arrow to open the menu. If you haven’t imported your favorites from IE, you’ll want i for import bookmarks and settings.  

If you’re using Chrome and are on a website that you want to add to your bookmarks, you do it the same way you did in IE.  Press control-d and then enter.  Before you press enter, you can edit the name.  I haven’t created a folder structure in Chrome as I did in IE, but it’s easy enough just to arrow down the list at this point to find what I want.

David Moore posted a helpful tutorial he wrote for Chrome on this list.  It’s probably on the JAWS help page too, though I didn’t check to confirm this.

HTH.

Rebecca

 

 

 

A mind is like a parachute.  It doesn't work if it isn't open.

 


Re: chrome

Adrian Spratt
 

Here’s how I work with Chrome’s bookmarks. First, some basics.

 

Bookmarks are to Chrome what favorites are to Internet Explorer.

 

Open Chrome and go to a page, any page, such as your default homepage. Make sure that once open, the page isn’t blank. Sometimes I open Chrome to my default homepage, but nothing is there. If that’s the case, press F5 and it should appear.

Now press the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Note that this menu isn’t structured the way many of us were familiar with in the pre-ribbon days, nor is it a ribbon.

Arrow up or down once to get into the menu, then press b for bookmark. If you don’t first do this arrow keystroke, “b” doesn’t register.

You’ll land on a bookmarks submenu. Press enter.

Now you can arrow up or down through the bookmark options, including any bookmarks you’ve preset.

If you wish to import bookmarks from another browser, you’ll see that option clearly labeled.

To create a new bookmark, you don’t need to be in these menus. As with IE, press control-d on the page you want to return to. Chrome, like IE, gives you the option to edit the bookmark’s name.

 

Now for some pointers that work for me but that I don’t fully understand. They may not work for everyone.

First, a limitation is that imported bookmarks are kept separate from those you create with Chrome. If anyone knows how to merge all Chrome bookmarks into one convenient place, I’d love the answer.

Second, an item in the Chrome menu enables you to “show bookmarks bar.” I believe the default is unchecked; I checked it. I’m not really sure what this bar does for JAWS users, but it’s almost certainly the reason why something very useful happened after I checked this box.

When in Chrome, with the bookmarks bar checked, I can press F6 to get to my IE bookmarks. When I first open Chrome, I just need to press F6 once. After I’ve opened a page, two presses bring up this list.

I press enter, then arrow down or first-letter navigate through my imported IE bookmarks.

Why only IE bookmarks show up in the F6 is a mystery to me. However, since almost all my long-established bookmarks  are there, I’m content. Otherwise, for newly created bookmarks, I go to the Chrome menu with alt, arrow up or down once, press b, then enter, and then arrow up through the new list.

 

A note on my previous Chrome post.

I mentioned Chrome’s reliance on headers. I should have explained that this is the case in the “Settings” section of the Chrome menu.

 

I find Chrome’s menu structure clunky but workable. It was when my IE favorites started showing up with F6 that I felt I could work with it. I do a lot of online research, and there’s no doubt that Chrome gives access to more websites than the other two leading windows browsers, and also better access than most to each website once it is opened. There are exceptions, which is why I keep IE and Firefox.

 

Dennis, I don’t know why audio streams aren’t automatically playing for you. They do for me, unless I’ve accidentally muted my speakers or a website.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.

 

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.

 

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

 

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.

 

If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Lenny McHugh

To: JFW List

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome

 

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

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Re: chrome

Mike Ulrich
 

The blind, once again; making sizzling progress with accessible technology
"One step forward, Four steps back"
I'm bout ready to throw out all my technology and go off the grid.
Folks, it wasn't that long ago; when we didn't have to spend good money for
the latest updates, only to find numerous nonaccessibilities! I'm fed up!

Michael D. Ulrich
Just an ordinary average blind guy!
“Providing Insight for Blindness”
Florida Council of the Blind
Fundraising Committee Member
Home Phone: 239-540-7431
Cell phone: 239-565-5845
Email: mulrich@...

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Traub
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

I never got Chrom to work for me. I still use IE 11. Firefox hasn't worked
for me either.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Matthew Chao
Sent: October 13, 2018 9:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

I used Chrome on the Social Security Web site, and it missed some
crucial radio buttons. As a result, I got locked out of my account.
Yet, when I went into IE to do the same thing, everything showed up.
So, go figure. We need to use all the browsers available to us. One
size does not fit all.--Matthew Chao



On 10/13/2018 9:01 AM, Dennis L wrote:
If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto
play flash streams this would be appreciated.

*From:*jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Adrian Spratt
*Sent:* Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
*To:* jaws-users-list@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [jaws-users] chrome

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I�d like to
reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very
reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another
lister that it wasn�t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn�t at the
time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But
IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome�s
accessibility kept improving.

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next
JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there�s one website I
regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The
daily video at that website can�t be found with either chrome or IE11,
but its� right there with Firefox.

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands
work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I
figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I�d
transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h
for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press
the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a
heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down
through the options.

If I need to explain favorites, I�ll gladly do so when it isn�t so
late
and I don�t have a ton of other things to do.

*From:* jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>
<jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>> *On
Behalf Of *Glenn / Lenny
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
*To:* jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [jaws-users] chrome

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is
substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Lenny McHugh <mailto:LennyMcHugh@...>

*To:*JFW List <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

*Subject:*[jaws-users] chrome

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was
having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not
use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not
installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It�s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com <http://www.lennymchugh.com/>

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: chrome

Marie <scribbles5@...>
 

To access favorites, press alt+f then the letter b and arrow down to your list of favorites. To create a favorite quickly, when on the page you wish to bookmark, press ctrl + d.
Marie
 
 

From: Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 6:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome
 

If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.

 

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.

 

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

 

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.

 

If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Lenny McHugh

To: JFW List

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome

 

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: chrome

Cheryl Traub
 

I never got Chrom to work for me. I still use IE 11. Firefox hasn't worked
for me either.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of Matthew Chao
Sent: October 13, 2018 9:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

I used Chrome on the Social Security Web site, and it missed some
crucial radio buttons. As a result, I got locked out of my account.
Yet, when I went into IE to do the same thing, everything showed up.
So, go figure. We need to use all the browsers available to us. One
size does not fit all.--Matthew Chao



On 10/13/2018 9:01 AM, Dennis L wrote:
If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto
play flash streams this would be appreciated.

*From:*jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] *On
Behalf Of *Adrian Spratt
*Sent:* Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
*To:* jaws-users-list@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [jaws-users] chrome

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I�d like to
reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very
reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another
lister that it wasn�t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn�t at the
time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But
IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome�s
accessibility kept improving.

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next
JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there�s one website I
regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The
daily video at that website can�t be found with either chrome or IE11,
but its� right there with Firefox.

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands
work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I
figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I�d
transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h
for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press
the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a
heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down
through the options.

If I need to explain favorites, I�ll gladly do so when it isn�t so
late
and I don�t have a ton of other things to do.

*From:* jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>
<jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>> *On
Behalf Of *Glenn / Lenny
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
*To:* jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [jaws-users] chrome

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is
substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Lenny McHugh <mailto:LennyMcHugh@...>

*To:*JFW List <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

*Subject:*[jaws-users] chrome

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was
having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not
use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not
installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It�s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com <http://www.lennymchugh.com/>

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: chrome

Glenn / Lenny
 

I can't comment on the flash, but for favorites, I just tap the menu button and arrow down, there is probably a letter for it.
But in Chrome, if it is in your favorites, you can do control + L and start typing the name and it will auto fill the rest.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.

 

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.

 

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

 

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.

 

If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Lenny McHugh

To: JFW List

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome

 

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: chrome

Matthew Chao
 

I used Chrome on the Social Security Web site, and it missed some crucial radio buttons. As a result, I got locked out of my account. Yet, when I went into IE to do the same thing, everything showed up. So, go figure. We need to use all the browsers available to us. One size does not fit all.--Matthew Chao

On 10/13/2018 9:01 AM, Dennis L wrote:
If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.
*From:*jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Spratt
*Sent:* Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
*To:* jaws-users-list@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [jaws-users] chrome
I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I�d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn�t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn�t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome�s accessibility kept improving.
Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there�s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can�t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its� right there with Firefox.
Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I�d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.
The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.
If I need to explain favorites, I�ll gladly do so when it isn�t so late and I don�t have a ton of other things to do.
*From:* jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io> <jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Glenn / Lenny
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
*To:* jaws-users-list@groups.io <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [jaws-users] chrome
I have found that I need all three.
Different browsers for different pages.
Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Lenny McHugh <mailto:LennyMcHugh@...>
*To:*JFW List <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>
*Sent:*Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM
*Subject:*[jaws-users] chrome
What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?
---
Please visit my web page
It�s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor
There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind
http://www.LennyMcHugh.com <http://www.lennymchugh.com/>
International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: chrome

Dennis L
 

If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.

 

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.

 

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

 

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.

 

If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome

 

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: USPS issue.

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi Judy,
This is for the list as well as you more than ever because folks need to know about a web page change of recent.
Due to the excessive amount of information on web pages these days and also, many people using smart phones for going on-line, web pages are being condensed , and that is the case for this page.
So now we have to look for something that reads as collapsed or closed.
In this instance, you will look for
quick tools collapsed
and press the space bar, and it will open up more options, and you will get the link to track packages, and then you follow that link, and then you will have a usable edit field.
I'm using Windows 7 and IE in this case.
HTH.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Judy Jones
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 9:09 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] USPS issue.

Hi, Folks,

 

I have been using USPS for years to ship packages.  I get on today, only to find out that the edit fields are unavailable to weigh a package.  I’m having a little hissy-fit, because the package I am trying to mail is expected.

 

My question.  Has anyone else seen this problem?

 

To duplicate, go to www.usps.com, sign in, create a label, and fill in fields until you get to the package section.  I check the box for ship my own package, and a couple of edit fields appear for Pounds and Ounces, except that Jaws reports they are unavailable.

 

I’ve tried filling in one edit field at a time, or simply tabbing through the process withedit fields open, but it skips the weight fields.

 

I am using Windows 10 with Jaws 18.

 

Thanks for reporting back, and if you have any ideas for me, will gladly try anything.  If all else fails, I will take the package for mailing, but am so tired of this cavalaire attitude of changing sites and throwing up road blocks for people using access technology.  I know this problem will not go away, in general, but had to vent hahahaha!

 

Thanks much.

 

Judy

 


Re: USPS issue.

Gerald Levy
 

 
Have you tried a different browser?  If you are using IE, try Firefox or Chrome to see whether you still encounter this problem.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 10:09 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] USPS issue.
 

Hi, Folks,

 

I have been using USPS for years to ship packages.  I get on today, only to find out that the edit fields are unavailable to weigh a package.  I’m having a little hissy-fit, because the package I am trying to mail is expected.

 

My question.  Has anyone else seen this problem?

 

To duplicate, go to www.usps.com, sign in, create a label, an fill in fields until you get to the package section.  I check the box for ship my own package, and a couple of edit fields appear for Pounds and Ounces, except that Jaws reports they are unavailable.

 

I’ve tried filling in one edit field at a time, or simply tabbing through the process withedit fields open, but it skips the weight fields.

 

I am using Windows 10 with Jaws 18.

 

Thanks for reporting back, and if you have any ideas for me, will gladly try anything.  If all else fails, I will take the package for mailing, but am so tired of this cavalaire attitude of changing sites and throwing up road blocks for people using access technology.  I know this problem will not go away, in general, but had to vent hahahaha!

 

Thanks much.

 

Judy

 


Re: Saving or forwarding a you tube article

Fred Adams
 

Mr Ed, thanks much. I will
give this a try.

-----Original Message-----
From:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
[mailto:jaws-users-list@groups
.io] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018
4:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users]
Saving or forwarding a you
tube article

Hi Fred,
Try this.
1. Start the youtube playing.
2. Now press alt+D. This will
highlight the web address.
3. Now press ctrl + C to copy
the web address to the clip
board.
Now you can paste the web
address in an email to email
it to someone or you can paste
it into a note pad or word and
save the link to open it
later.
Hope this does what you want.
Mr. Ed

-----Original Message-----
From:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
[mailto:jaws-users-list@groups
.io] On Behalf Of Fred Adams
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018
9:52 AM
To: jaws-users IO
Subject: [jaws-users] Saving
or forwarding a you tube
article

I am using W 10, jaws 2019
beta and chrome browser and I
would like to know if it is
possible to save or forward an
article that I am listening to
on you tube without saving or
forwarding every article on
the you tube list. I will
appreciate any suggestions on
this.

Thanks much,

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT AND
THE DAY IS AT HAND


Re: Chrome, Explanation as to Why it has so Many Processes Running

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey.

Interesting. This is also what Firefox started doing beginning with version 57, I believe. But it’s possible that Chrome opens more processes.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: October 12, 2018 7:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Chrome, Explanation as to Why it has so Many Processes Running

 

Hi All,

 

 

This article might give some of you an idea what all goes on in the background when Chrome is running.

 

I found this blog post, and thought others on this list might be
interested in what it has to say about why so many google processes open
up when running the browser.

https://blog.chromium.org/2008/09/multi-process-architecture.html

In short, it opens a new process for each plugin and/or script on a web
page, to keep them isolated from the basic browser, thereby keeping the
computer as secure as possible from malicious pages.

Chromium Blog: Multi-process Architecture s1600-r/logo_chromium

 

Chromium Blog News and developments from the open source browser project

 

Multi-process Architecture Thursday, September 11, 2008 Unlike most current web browsers, Google Chrome uses many operating system processes to keep web sites separate from each other and from the rest of your computer.  In this blog post, I'll explain why using a multi-process architecture can be a big win for browsers on today's web.  I'll also talk about which parts of the browser belong in each process and in which situations Google Chrome creates new processes.
1. Why use multiple processes in a browser? In the days when most current browsers were designed, web pages were simple and had little or no active code in them.  It made sense for the browser to render all the pages you visited in the same process, to keep resource usage low. Today, however, we've seen a major shift towards active web content, ranging from pages with lots of JavaScript and Flash to full-blown "web apps" like Gmail.  Large parts of these apps run inside the browser, just like normal applications run on an operating system.  Just like an operating system, the browser must keep these apps separate from each other. On top of this, the parts of the browser that render HTML, JavaScript, and CSS have become extraordinarily complex over time.  These rendering engines frequently have bugs as they continue to evolve, and some of these bugs may cause the rendering engine to occasionally crash.  Also, rendering engines routinely face untrusted and even malicious code from the web, which may try to exploit these bugs to install malware on your computer. In this world, browsers that put everything in one process face real challenges for robustness, responsiveness, and security.  If one web app causes a crash in the rendering engine, it will take the rest of the browser with it, including any other web apps that are open.  Web apps often have to compete with each other for CPU time on a single thread, sometimes causing the entire browser to become unresponsive.  Security is also a concern, because a web page that exploits a vulnerability in the rendering engine can often take over your entire computer. It doesn't have to be this way, though.  Web apps are designed to be run independently of each other in your browser, and they could be run in parallel.  They don't need much access to your disk or devices, either.  The security policy used throughout the web ensures this, so that you can visit most web pages without worrying about your data or your computer's safety.  This means that it's possible to more completely isolate web apps from each other in the browser without breaking them.  The same is true of browser plug-ins like Flash, which are loosely coupled with the browser and can be separated from it without much trouble. Google Chrome takes advantage of these properties and puts web apps and plug-ins in separate processes from the browser itself.  This means that a rendering engine crash in one web app won't affect the browser or other web apps.  It means the OS can run web apps in parallel to increase their responsiveness, and it means the browser itself won't lock up if a particular web app or plug-in stops responding.  It also means we can run the rendering engine processes in a restrictive sandbox that helps limit the damage if an exploit does occur. Interestingly, using multiple processes means Google Chrome can have its own Task Manager (shown below), which you can get to by right clicking on the browser's title bar.  This Task Manager lets you track resource usage for each web app and plug-in, rather than for the entire browser.  It also lets you kill any web apps or plug-ins that have stopped responding, without having to restart the entire browser.

 

For all of these reasons, Google Chrome's multi-process architecture can help it be more robust, responsive, and secure than single process browsers.
2. What goes in each process? Google Chrome creates three different types of processes: browser, renderers, and plug-ins. Browser.  There's only one browser process, which manages the tabs, windows, and "chrome" of the browser.  This process also handles all interactions with the disk, network, user input, and display, but it makes no attempt to parse or render any content from the web. Renderers.  The browser process creates many renderer processes, each responsible for rendering web pages.  The renderer processes contain all the complex logic for handling HTML, JavaScript, CSS, images, and so on.  We achieve this using the open source WebKit rendering engine, which is also used by Apple's Safari web browser.  Each renderer process is run in a sandbox, which means it has almost no direct access to your disk, network, or display.  All interactions with web apps, including user input events and screen painting, must go through the browser process.  This lets the browser process monitor the renderers for suspicious activity, killing them if it suspects an exploit has occurred. Plug-ins.  The browser process also creates one process for each type of plug-in that is in use, such as Flash, Quicktime, or Adobe Reader.  These processes just contain the plug-ins themselves, along with some glue code to let them interact with the browser and renderers.
3. When should the browser create processes? Once Google Chrome has created its browser process, it will generally create one renderer process for each instance of a web site you visit.  This approach aims to keep pages from different web sites isolated from each other. You can think of this as using a different process for each tab in the browser, but allowing two tabs to share a process if they are related to each other and are showing the same site.  For example, if one tab opens another tab using JavaScript, or if you open a link to the same site in a new tab, the tabs will share a renderer process.  This lets the pages in these tabs communicate via JavaScript and share cached objects.  Conversely, if you type the URL of a different site into the location bar of a tab, we will swap in a new renderer process for the tab. Compatibility with existing web pages is important for us.  For this reason, we define a web site as a registered domain name, like google.com or bbc.co.uk.  This means we'll consider sub-domains like mail.google.com and maps.google.com as part of the same site.  This is necessary because there are cases where tabs from different sub-domains may try to communicate with each other via JavaScript, so we want to keep them in the same renderer process. There are a few caveats to this basic approach, however.  Your computer would start to slow down if we created too many processes, so we place a limit on the number of renderer processes that we create (20 in most cases).  Once we hit this limit, we'll start re-using the existing renderer processes for new tabs.  Thus, it's possible that the same renderer process could be used for more than one web site.  We also don't yet put cross-site frames in their own processes, and we don't yet swap a tab's renderer process for all types of cross-site navigations.  So far, we only swap a tab's process for navigations via the browser's "chrome," like the location bar or bookmarks.  Despite these caveats, Google Chrome will generally keep instances of different web sites isolated from each other in common usage. For each type of plug-in, Google Chrome will create a plug-in process when you first visit a page that uses it.  A short time after you close all pages using a particular plug-in, we will destroy its process. We'll post future blog entries as we refine our policies for creating and swapping among renderer processes.  In the mean time, we hope you see some of the benefits of a multi-process architecture when using Google Chrome.
Posted by Charlie Reis


Re: How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi Jorge,
 
We're talking about, Alt + Tab between running / open windows, not Shift + tab.  Anyways having Jaws in the system tray has nothing to do with the default way of, Alt + Tabbing, as opposed to the older way.  I know this all matter of personal preference, so the only reason I posted what i did was because I've read a lot of posts' of people from not only this list, but others, complaining that Alt + Tab didn't work very well in Windows 10 and were advised to use the Windows key + Tab  keystroke instead.
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----
From: TheHangMan
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

Hi Mike,

If, my memory is there:

I thought, if you remove jaws from the system tray, you will gain that extra shift tab back, that you got rid of it in the first place, when you chose to add jaws to the system tray.

 

And in your other inquery about removing the action center from the system tray, well if you can add you must be able to remove too.

 

putting the Jaws icon or  any icon on the notification area.

Windows key+I, for settings, tab one time.

Right arrow to, personalization, press enter, tab one time.

Down arrow to, Taskbar, press enter.

Tab until you hear to, Choose what icons appear on the taskbar link, press enter.

Tab across and select what icons you want on the system tray / notification bar, by selecting and checking it.

Close the window.

Now, go to the system tray and check all your system tray icons are there.

HTH,

 

,

Jorge,

There is no better symbol for the purpose we serve than the emblem every Marine earns: the Eagle, Globe and Anchor. The eagle represents the proud nation we defend. It stands at the ready with our coastlines in sight and the entire world within reach of its outstretched wings. The globe represents our worldwide presence. The anchor points both to the Marine Corps' naval heritage and its ability to access any coastline in the world. Together, the eagle, globe and anchor symbolize our commitment to defend our nation—in the air, on land and at sea.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 3:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

 

Hi All,

 

Running Windows 10 Pro and Jaws latest.  Rick a fellow moderator told me about this quite some time back and it works great!  I came across this, tried it and it works as advertised.  I didn't do the registry hack personally, but downloaded the program and made the change with their program.  Here's the website to hear how it works and the download link & steps are below the website URL.

 

 

To download the program click on the link below, press the letter, B for button, then up arrow a few times to the download link.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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USPS issue.

Judy Jones
 

Hi, Folks,

 

I have been using USPS for years to ship packages.  I get on today, only to find out that the edit fields are unavailable to weigh a package.  I’m having a little hissy-fit, because the package I am trying to mail is expected.

 

My question.  Has anyone else seen this problem?

 

To duplicate, go to www.usps.com, sign in, create a label, and fill in fields until you get to the package section.  I check the box for ship my own package, and a couple of edit fields appear for Pounds and Ounces, except that Jaws reports they are unavailable.

 

I’ve tried filling in one edit field at a time, or simply tabbing through the process withedit fields open, but it skips the weight fields.

 

I am using Windows 10 with Jaws 18.

 

Thanks for reporting back, and if you have any ideas for me, will gladly try anything.  If all else fails, I will take the package for mailing, but am so tired of this cavalaire attitude of changing sites and throwing up road blocks for people using access technology.  I know this problem will not go away, in general, but had to vent hahahaha!

 

Thanks much.

 

Judy

 


Re: How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

TheHangMan
 

Hi Mike,

If, my memory is there:

I thought, if you remove jaws from the system tray, you will gain that extra shift tab back, that you got rid of it in the first place, when you chose to add jaws to the system tray.

 

And in your other inquery about removing the action center from the system tray, well if you can add you must be able to remove too.

 

putting the Jaws icon or  any icon on the notification area.

Windows key+I, for settings, tab one time.

Right arrow to, personalization, press enter, tab one time.

Down arrow to, Taskbar, press enter.

Tab until you hear to, Choose what icons appear on the taskbar link, press enter.

Tab across and select what icons you want on the system tray / notification bar, by selecting and checking it.

Close the window.

Now, go to the system tray and check all your system tray icons are there.

HTH,

 

,

Jorge,

There is no better symbol for the purpose we serve than the emblem every Marine earns: the Eagle, Globe and Anchor. The eagle represents the proud nation we defend. It stands at the ready with our coastlines in sight and the entire world within reach of its outstretched wings. The globe represents our worldwide presence. The anchor points both to the Marine Corps' naval heritage and its ability to access any coastline in the world. Together, the eagle, globe and anchor symbolize our commitment to defend our nation—in the air, on land and at sea.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 3:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] How to get the old Alt Tab dialog in Windows 10 Back

 

Hi All,

 

Running Windows 10 Pro and Jaws latest.  Rick a fellow moderator told me about this quite some time back and it works great!  I came across this, tried it and it works as advertised.  I didn't do the registry hack personally, but downloaded the program and made the change with their program.  Here's the website to hear how it works and the download link & steps are below the website URL.

 

 

To download the program click on the link below, press the letter, B for button, then up arrow a few times to the download link.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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