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Re: Outlook and safe senders list

Brian Lee
 

Hello Maria,

 

I am quite sure it would but you can easily export the list and later import it. 

 

When in the list of messages use Alt H, followed by J followed by O to bring up the junk options dialog box. 

Use CTRL tab until in the Safe Sender’s page of the dialog box. 

Tab to and use the “Export to file” button.

Name the file and save it where you can find it if you later want to import the list.  It will be saved as a TXT file.  It can be opened and read like any other text file.  There will be one entry per line in the text file that is created.   

To import it later go back into the junk folder options and in the Safe Senders page there will be an “Import From File” button to use for importing the list from the file you saved.

 

You can likewise export and import blocked senders lists and safe recipients lists by going to the appropriate pages in the junk options dialog box and using the “Export to File” and “Import From file” buttons for those actions. 

 

Take care.

    

Brian Lee

brianllee@...

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Reyes
Sent: October 14, 2018 2:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Outlook and safe senders list

 

Hi all, Will my safe senders list get deleted if I delete my Outlook account from Outlook 2016?


Re: chrome

Karim Lakhani
 

Where is the feature in jaws so one can activate the audio ducking option?

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Onwardbob
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 5:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

Wow, since when has audio ducking worked?

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 2:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

JAWS has audio Ducking!

You can at least keep JAWS talking, and lower the audio, and find the pause button with JAWS being a lot louder!

David Moore



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From: Humberto Rodriguez <mailto:sub@hrfinancial.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 5:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



It is like anything else, some hate it, some love it; being totally blind, I hate it when it is too loud, I cannot hear JAWS and the Stop or Pause button is not right there on top; most people however, prefer autoplay if it is not too loud and easy to stop, not only on computers, but notably even more so while using smart phones and tablets.



Humberto







From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



Good decision on chrome’s part. I hate autoplay so much.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: October 14, 2018 9:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



Hello Adrian:



Well, thanks anyway for responding; you see, I have been doing podcasting and internet radio for years, I like for the station identification and then whatever program is on the air at the time to sound as soon as the page opens, the same as video does in Youtube; formerly that was easily accomplished with Flash Player, more recently with HTML5 for modern browsers with Flash Player fallback for older ones, but since wile ago, Chrome announced it was disabling the autorun argument to both the HTML5 label and Flash Player, so now when the page opens in Chrome, you must press the Play button in order for the sound to begin, not so in any other browser; thus my inquiry, since I have not found a way to do it.



I have no idea how Youtube does it, if indeed it does, I have not tried them using Chrome, I normally still use Internet Explorer 11.



Regards,



Humberto



Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida







From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



Hi, Umberto.



Perhaps I’m interpreting “audio stream” too liberally. I know if I open a YouTube page with Chrome, the audio/video almost always starts right away. A members-only website I often use also plays videos when a page is opened. But I usually avoid audio streams of any kind, so I can’t come up with many examples off the top of my head. But if YouTube is a valid example, here’s a link I found more or less at random, based on my choice of artist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W81HAYZbgDY



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



Hello Adrian and all:



I am surprised to hear you say that audio streams play in Chrome when you open a page that contains an audio stream player since Chrome has unabled the autoplay attribute of the audio label. Could it be that a certain page is using a different player? Please let me know the URL of a page that autoplays an audio stream in Chrome.



Thanks,



Humberto



Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida







From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



As I said, they usually do for me. If they don’t, as in the mute situation I mentioned, sometimes I need to find a play button. There is one website I visit where the audio does not play and there’s no play button. The same is true for that website when I use IE. However, I can get to the play button on that webpage with Firefox. This is a rare exception. Mostly, when I use Chrome, Audio streams start up right away when I land on a webpage playing one.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:16 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



They don’t automatically play in chrome.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:45 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



Here’s how I work with Chrome’s bookmarks. First, some basics.



Bookmarks are to Chrome what favorites are to Internet Explorer.



Open Chrome and go to a page, any page, such as your default homepage. Make sure that once open, the page isn’t blank. Sometimes I open Chrome to my default homepage, but nothing is there. If that’s the case, press F5 and it should appear.

Now press the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Note that this menu isn’t structured the way many of us were familiar with in the pre-ribbon days, nor is it a ribbon.

Arrow up or down once to get into the menu, then press b for bookmark. If you don’t first do this arrow keystroke, “b” doesn’t register.

You’ll land on a bookmarks submenu. Press enter.

Now you can arrow up or down through the bookmark options, including any bookmarks you’ve preset.

If you wish to import bookmarks from another browser, you’ll see that option clearly labeled.

To create a new bookmark, you don’t need to be in these menus. As with IE, press control-d on the page you want to return to. Chrome, like IE, gives you the option to edit the bookmark’s name.



Now for some pointers that work for me but that I don’t fully understand. They may not work for everyone.

First, a limitation is that imported bookmarks are kept separate from those you create with Chrome. If anyone knows how to merge all Chrome bookmarks into one convenient place, I’d love the answer.

Second, an item in the Chrome menu enables you to “show bookmarks bar.” I believe the default is unchecked; I checked it. I’m not really sure what this bar does for JAWS users, but it’s almost certainly the reason why something very useful happened after I checked this box.

When in Chrome, with the bookmarks bar checked, I can press F6 to get to my IE bookmarks. When I first open Chrome, I just need to press F6 once. After I’ve opened a page, two presses bring up this list.

I press enter, then arrow down or first-letter navigate through my imported IE bookmarks.

Why only IE bookmarks show up in the F6 is a mystery to me. However, since almost all my long-established bookmarks are there, I’m content. Otherwise, for newly created bookmarks, I go to the Chrome menu with alt, arrow up or down once, press b, then enter, and then arrow up through the new list.



A note on my previous Chrome post.

I mentioned Chrome’s reliance on headers. I should have explained that this is the case in the “Settings” section of the Chrome menu.



I find Chrome’s menu structure clunky but workable. It was when my IE favorites started showing up with F6 that I felt I could work with it. I do a lot of online research, and there’s no doubt that Chrome gives access to more websites than the other two leading windows browsers, and also better access than most to each website once it is opened. There are exceptions, which is why I keep IE and Firefox.



Dennis, I don’t know why audio streams aren’t automatically playing for you. They do for me, unless I’ve accidentally muted my speakers or a website.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.



Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.



Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.



The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.



If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Lenny McHugh <mailto:LennyMcHugh@comcast.net>

To: JFW List <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome



What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

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Re: Need help wiping out a laptop

David Ferrin
 

I have an external USB 3.5 floppy drive in the other room. Even these days it comes in handy once in a while.

I don't recall the brand or anything, but it does work on all of my systems.

-----Original Message-----
From: cheez
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Need help wiping out a laptop

Matthew, you are dating yourself my friend. LOL.
3.5 floppies. I don't 'think you can get a drive for those things anymore,
can you?
I have a few floppies that I'd like to copy onto my hard drive, but I don't
know if external 3.5's exist.

Not to start an off topic here, but do you remember the
died-before-they-got-off-the-table 2.88 floppies?
Just like the Digital Cassettes they never stood a chance.

Vince

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Chao" <mattchao@verizon.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Need help wiping out a laptop


Hi, Jeff. DBAN can be obtained for free from www.dban.org (I think). Been a while since I downloaded a copy. Otherwise, Google it, and you should find it. You will need some sighted assistance at boot-up; you need to burn a CD and copy files to it, or use a floppy 3.5-inch. I did this with two computers I needed to dispose of, and even the operating system went away. Good stuff. Cleans according to military/DOD specs.--Matthew Chao



On 10/14/2018 2:47 AM, Audiobookfan wrote:
What is DBAN and where can one get it? I have a couple of old laptops that I want to retire and dispose of, but I want to be sure all personal data has been removed from them. Both laptops run Vista.

Can I accomplish this data cleansing without sighted assistance using JAWS?

Thanks,
Jeff


On 10/13/2018 6:01 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:
Well, if you were wiping it out for disposal, DBAN would be the way to go.� But since you don't want to wipe out the operating system, it's more involved.� What exaqctly do you need to get rid of?--Matthew Chao



On 10/13/2018 8:45 PM, TheHangMan wrote:
Hi,

Like the subject says, I need to set up this other laptop like some what new again and have it as a backup laptop.

Once, I install jaws the rest is no worries!

But, I�m not sure on how to completely wipe it out correctly cause jaws is not working?

I�m also trying to avoid a� trip to best buy geek squad.

Thank you

Jorge,

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Re: remote desktop again

Marek Durila
 

Hi all,
I was able to set it now on one computer on second in any reason it is not working.
Where it is working is win 7 pro 64 bit 8 giga ram SSD and core i5 on 2,64 gHz.
But the slow response respective sound it is classic hd audio conexant is a little bit wrong.
Is it normall? Should be better in Citryx?



Regards,

Marek Durila
Nordic Health Check - Perform Health Check Team Member
IBM Client Innovation Centre Central Europe

Phone: 420-53341-4788 | Mobile: 420-605-031-743
E-mail:
Marek_Durila@...
Technicka 21
Brno, 61600
Czech Republic


"Southard, Kevin L" ---05.10.2018 15:42:26---A technical support person at my company helped me get things set up. I believe he used instructions

From: "Southard, Kevin L" <KSouthard@...>
To: "jaws-users-list@groups.io" <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Date: 05.10.2018 15:42
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] remote desktop again
Sent by: jaws-users-list@groups.io





A technical support person at my company helped me get things set up. I believe he used instructions either from the website directly or from responses from the FS technical support team.

I am sorry but I cannot assist you any further on this. Best of luck!

Kevin Southard
CACI – RBC Repatriation Team
Unum - Mail Stop A363
Telephone (207) 575-3556

Facsimile (207) 575-8454

email: ksouthard@...


From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marek Durila
Sent:
Friday, October 05, 2018 9:27 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject:
Re: [jaws-users] remote desktop again

Hi,
I naws I am having remote desktop allowed.
But can you tell me from the begining how you set it? I allowed in properties of computer but that's all and If I am trying from another computer get my IP it will generate error.
I can connect with somebody through tandem if it will help you.
Or I need register somewhere and or install some another programs?

Regards,

Marek Durila

Nordic Health Check - Perform Health Check Team Member
IBM Client Innovation Centre Central Europe


Phone: 420-53341-4788 | Mobile: 420-605-031-743
E-mail:
Marek_Durila@...
Technicka 21
Brno, 61600
Czech Republic


"Southard, Kevin L" ---05.10.2018 15:04:09---When I had a VDI set up for me here at work, I had to purchase an add on from the vendor for remote

From:
"Southard, Kevin L" <KSouthard@...>
To:
"jaws-users-list@groups.io" <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Date:
05.10.2018 15:04
Subject:
Re: [jaws-users] remote desktop again
Sent by:
jaws-users-list@groups.io






When I had a VDI set up for me here at work, I had to purchase an add on from the vendor for remote use. It works off the same authorization/license as your base license. I believe that there is something that needs to be loaded on the VDI as well.

When signing on to the VDI, JAWS licensing is authenticated. It does not always work cleanly. I sometimes have to sign off of my main laptop session and back on again before connecting to the VDI. This usually resets what the issue is and I get connected successfully with JAWS active on the VDI.

Good luck!


Kevin Southard
CACI – RBC Repatriation Team
Unum - Mail Stop A363
Telephone (207) 575-3556

Facsimile (207) 575-8454

email:
ksouthard@...

From:
jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marek Durila
Sent:
Friday, October 05, 2018 8:44 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject:
[jaws-users] remote desktop again

This message originated outside of Unum. Use caution when opening attachments, clicking links or responding to requests for information.

Hi all,
I was tryign to work with Remote desktop on win 7 respective 10.
I wasn't able to set it I called to freeedom scientific help, but the lady sayed that I must google hw to set it.
I was thinking because in win 7 Pro and win 10 Pro it is installed that will be easy.
But probably |I need install something more.
Is here somebody who could kinldy help me?
You can cotact me on my private skype
Micki2701000.

Regards,

Marek Durila

Nordic Health Check - Perform Health Check Team Member
IBM Client Innovation Centre Central Europe


Phone: 420-53341-4788 | Mobile: 420-605-031-743
E-mail:
Marek_Durila@...
Technicka 21
Brno, 61600
Czech Republic





Re: Webpages Timing Out

Sharon S
 

Hi, at times I had three or more versions of Jaws on my computer without any problems. The only thing is if you choose to remove a version it will ask you if you want to remove shared components so answer no to this and you will be right.

From Shaz.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 6:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Webpages Timing Out

If you really feel the need, I believe you can download earlier versions of JAWS. It's been reported on this list that you can install earlier versions without worrying about their impact on the one you have installed. I mean to check with VFO/whatever if I take that step.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 2:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Webpages Timing Out

Hi, Dave. I'm one of those unfortunates who had to migrate from Window-Eyes to Jaws, so I don't know what 17 was like. Anyway, will try NVDA as an experiment.--Matt.



On 10/12/2018 11:41 AM, Dave... wrote:
Matt,

Well if you have had the ongoing problems with JAWS being hesitant or
very slow to respond since version 17, then yes, I'd think JAWS is the culprit.
Give NVDA a try for a while to see if the problem disappears. I might
do that, myself just for grins.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Chao" <mattchao@verizon.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 08:36
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Webpages Timing Out


I seem to do that all the time. I have FIOS, and this shouldn't be
happening. Perhaps Jaws slows things down?--Matt.



On 10/12/2018 11:33 AM, Dave... wrote:
Matthew,

This sounds like a slow connection. Happens to me once in a while,
perhaps every other week or so. Close that window and click again on
the embedded link to wake it up.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Chao" <mattchao@verizon.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 08:00
Subject: [jaws-users] Webpages Timing Out


Hi, Folks. I'm using Jaws 2018. I notice that when I often go into
a page from a link within an email, I get a "webpage timed out". Any
way to stop this from happening? I often have to get out of IE and
back in again. It also happens with Google Chrome.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.--Matthew Chao















Outlook and safe senders list

Maria Reyes <m13reyes@...>
 

Hi all, Will my safe senders list get deleted if I delete my Outlook account from Outlook 2016?


Re: chrome

netbat66
 

i don't know about chrome.
but with firefox you can stop the playback that starts playing when you go to a web page by pressing control m to mute it.
when the html player is playing, if you turn the virtual cursor off you can use the player hot keys.
but the hot keys will not work if the focus goes in to la la land. grin
i have to tab once to get off the playback slider to stop it from talking.
then you can use j to go back, k to pause the stream, and l to fast forward.
also for the full desktop keyboard the arrow 4 pack , the left and right arrow will go back and forward through the stream.
the up and down arrows will change the volume while it is playing.

-----Original Message-----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 2:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



I know many sighted people also hate it. Of course, to each their own, but imo it’s a terrible idea to have something start playing at you just because you entered or clicked on an URL.







From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: October 14, 2018 5:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome





It is like anything else, some hate it, some love it; being totally blind, I hate it when it is too loud, I cannot hear JAWS and the Stop or Pause button is not right there on top; most people however, prefer autoplay if it is not too loud and easy to stop, not only on computers, but notably even more so while using smart phones and tablets.



Humberto









From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome





Good decision on chrome’s part. I hate autoplay so much.





From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: October 14, 2018 9:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome





Hello Adrian:



Well, thanks anyway for responding; you see, I have been doing podcasting and internet radio for years, I like for the station identification and then whatever program is on the air at the time to sound as soon as the page opens, the same as video does in Youtube; formerly that was easily accomplished with Flash Player, more recently with HTML5 for modern browsers with Flash Player fallback for older ones, but since wile ago, Chrome announced it was disabling the autorun argument to both the HTML5 label and Flash Player, so now when the page opens in Chrome, you must press the Play button in order for the sound to begin, not so in any other browser; thus my inquiry, since I have not found a way to do it.



I have no idea how Youtube does it, if indeed it does, I have not tried them using Chrome, I normally still use Internet Explorer 11.



Regards,



Humberto



Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida









From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome





Hi, Umberto.



Perhaps I’m interpreting “audio stream” too liberally. I know if I open a YouTube page with Chrome, the audio/video almost always starts right away. A members-only website I often use also plays videos when a page is opened. But I usually avoid audio streams of any kind, so I can’t come up with many examples off the top of my head. But if YouTube is a valid example, here’s a link I found more or less at random, based on my choice of artist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W81HAYZbgDY





From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome





Hello Adrian and all:



I am surprised to hear you say that audio streams play in Chrome when you open a page that contains an audio stream player since Chrome has unabled the autoplay attribute of the audio label. Could it be that a certain page is using a different player? Please let me know the URL of a page that autoplays an audio stream in Chrome.



Thanks,



Humberto



Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida









From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome





As I said, they usually do for me. If they don’t, as in the mute situation I mentioned, sometimes I need to find a play button. There is one website I visit where the audio does not play and there’s no play button. The same is true for that website when I use IE. However, I can get to the play button on that webpage with Firefox. This is a rare exception. Mostly, when I use Chrome, Audio streams start up right away when I land on a webpage playing one.





From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:16 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome





They don’t automatically play in chrome.





From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:45 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome





Here’s how I work with Chrome’s bookmarks. First, some basics.



Bookmarks are to Chrome what favorites are to Internet Explorer.



Open Chrome and go to a page, any page, such as your default homepage. Make sure that once open, the page isn’t blank. Sometimes I open Chrome to my default homepage, but nothing is there. If that’s the case, press F5 and it should appear.

Now press the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Note that this menu isn’t structured the way many of us were familiar with in the pre-ribbon days, nor is it a ribbon.

Arrow up or down once to get into the menu, then press b for bookmark. If you don’t first do this arrow keystroke, “b” doesn’t register.

You’ll land on a bookmarks submenu. Press enter.

Now you can arrow up or down through the bookmark options, including any bookmarks you’ve preset.

If you wish to import bookmarks from another browser, you’ll see that option clearly labeled.

To create a new bookmark, you don’t need to be in these menus. As with IE, press control-d on the page you want to return to. Chrome, like IE, gives you the option to edit the bookmark’s name.



Now for some pointers that work for me but that I don’t fully understand. They may not work for everyone.

First, a limitation is that imported bookmarks are kept separate from those you create with Chrome. If anyone knows how to merge all Chrome bookmarks into one convenient place, I’d love the answer.

Second, an item in the Chrome menu enables you to “show bookmarks bar.” I believe the default is unchecked; I checked it. I’m not really sure what this bar does for JAWS users, but it’s almost certainly the reason why something very useful happened after I checked this box.

When in Chrome, with the bookmarks bar checked, I can press F6 to get to my IE bookmarks. When I first open Chrome, I just need to press F6 once. After I’ve opened a page, two presses bring up this list.

I press enter, then arrow down or first-letter navigate through my imported IE bookmarks.

Why only IE bookmarks show up in the F6 is a mystery to me. However, since almost all my long-established bookmarks are there, I’m content. Otherwise, for newly created bookmarks, I go to the Chrome menu with alt, arrow up or down once, press b, then enter, and then arrow up through the new list.



A note on my previous Chrome post.

I mentioned Chrome’s reliance on headers. I should have explained that this is the case in the “Settings” section of the Chrome menu.



I find Chrome’s menu structure clunky but workable. It was when my IE favorites started showing up with F6 that I felt I could work with it. I do a lot of online research, and there’s no doubt that Chrome gives access to more websites than the other two leading windows browsers, and also better access than most to each website once it is opened. There are exceptions, which is why I keep IE and Firefox.



Dennis, I don’t know why audio streams aren’t automatically playing for you. They do for me, unless I’ve accidentally muted my speakers or a website.





From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome





If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.





From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome





I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.



Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.



Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.



The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.



If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.





From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome







I have found that I need all three.



Different browsers for different pages.



Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.



Glenn



----- Original Message -----



From: Lenny McHugh



To: JFW List



Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM



Subject: [jaws-users] chrome







What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: chrome

Onwardbob
 

Wow, since when has audio ducking worked?

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 2:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

JAWS has audio Ducking!

You can at least keep JAWS talking, and lower the audio, and find the pause button with JAWS being a lot louder!

David Moore



Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



From: Humberto Rodriguez <mailto:sub@hrfinancial.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 5:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



It is like anything else, some hate it, some love it; being totally blind, I hate it when it is too loud, I cannot hear JAWS and the Stop or Pause button is not right there on top; most people however, prefer autoplay if it is not too loud and easy to stop, not only on computers, but notably even more so while using smart phones and tablets.



Humberto







From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



Good decision on chrome’s part. I hate autoplay so much.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: October 14, 2018 9:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



Hello Adrian:



Well, thanks anyway for responding; you see, I have been doing podcasting and internet radio for years, I like for the station identification and then whatever program is on the air at the time to sound as soon as the page opens, the same as video does in Youtube; formerly that was easily accomplished with Flash Player, more recently with HTML5 for modern browsers with Flash Player fallback for older ones, but since wile ago, Chrome announced it was disabling the autorun argument to both the HTML5 label and Flash Player, so now when the page opens in Chrome, you must press the Play button in order for the sound to begin, not so in any other browser; thus my inquiry, since I have not found a way to do it.



I have no idea how Youtube does it, if indeed it does, I have not tried them using Chrome, I normally still use Internet Explorer 11.



Regards,



Humberto



Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida







From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



Hi, Umberto.



Perhaps I’m interpreting “audio stream” too liberally. I know if I open a YouTube page with Chrome, the audio/video almost always starts right away. A members-only website I often use also plays videos when a page is opened. But I usually avoid audio streams of any kind, so I can’t come up with many examples off the top of my head. But if YouTube is a valid example, here’s a link I found more or less at random, based on my choice of artist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W81HAYZbgDY



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



Hello Adrian and all:



I am surprised to hear you say that audio streams play in Chrome when you open a page that contains an audio stream player since Chrome has unabled the autoplay attribute of the audio label. Could it be that a certain page is using a different player? Please let me know the URL of a page that autoplays an audio stream in Chrome.



Thanks,



Humberto



Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida







From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



As I said, they usually do for me. If they don’t, as in the mute situation I mentioned, sometimes I need to find a play button. There is one website I visit where the audio does not play and there’s no play button. The same is true for that website when I use IE. However, I can get to the play button on that webpage with Firefox. This is a rare exception. Mostly, when I use Chrome, Audio streams start up right away when I land on a webpage playing one.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:16 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



They don’t automatically play in chrome.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:45 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



Here’s how I work with Chrome’s bookmarks. First, some basics.



Bookmarks are to Chrome what favorites are to Internet Explorer.



Open Chrome and go to a page, any page, such as your default homepage. Make sure that once open, the page isn’t blank. Sometimes I open Chrome to my default homepage, but nothing is there. If that’s the case, press F5 and it should appear.

Now press the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Note that this menu isn’t structured the way many of us were familiar with in the pre-ribbon days, nor is it a ribbon.

Arrow up or down once to get into the menu, then press b for bookmark. If you don’t first do this arrow keystroke, “b” doesn’t register.

You’ll land on a bookmarks submenu. Press enter.

Now you can arrow up or down through the bookmark options, including any bookmarks you’ve preset.

If you wish to import bookmarks from another browser, you’ll see that option clearly labeled.

To create a new bookmark, you don’t need to be in these menus. As with IE, press control-d on the page you want to return to. Chrome, like IE, gives you the option to edit the bookmark’s name.



Now for some pointers that work for me but that I don’t fully understand. They may not work for everyone.

First, a limitation is that imported bookmarks are kept separate from those you create with Chrome. If anyone knows how to merge all Chrome bookmarks into one convenient place, I’d love the answer.

Second, an item in the Chrome menu enables you to “show bookmarks bar.” I believe the default is unchecked; I checked it. I’m not really sure what this bar does for JAWS users, but it’s almost certainly the reason why something very useful happened after I checked this box.

When in Chrome, with the bookmarks bar checked, I can press F6 to get to my IE bookmarks. When I first open Chrome, I just need to press F6 once. After I’ve opened a page, two presses bring up this list.

I press enter, then arrow down or first-letter navigate through my imported IE bookmarks.

Why only IE bookmarks show up in the F6 is a mystery to me. However, since almost all my long-established bookmarks are there, I’m content. Otherwise, for newly created bookmarks, I go to the Chrome menu with alt, arrow up or down once, press b, then enter, and then arrow up through the new list.



A note on my previous Chrome post.

I mentioned Chrome’s reliance on headers. I should have explained that this is the case in the “Settings” section of the Chrome menu.



I find Chrome’s menu structure clunky but workable. It was when my IE favorites started showing up with F6 that I felt I could work with it. I do a lot of online research, and there’s no doubt that Chrome gives access to more websites than the other two leading windows browsers, and also better access than most to each website once it is opened. There are exceptions, which is why I keep IE and Firefox.



Dennis, I don’t know why audio streams aren’t automatically playing for you. They do for me, unless I’ve accidentally muted my speakers or a website.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.



Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.



Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.



The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.



If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome



I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Lenny McHugh <mailto:LennyMcHugh@comcast.net>

To: JFW List <mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome



What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com <http://www.lennymchugh.com/>

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: Need help wiping out a laptop

Matthew Chao
 

Yes, you would need to get a USB drive, and I'm pretty sure you can get one from eBay or Amazon.--Matt.

On 10/14/2018 12:10 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I'm sure you can still get the drives somewhere, and yes, they would likely
be external especially nowadays. I actually have an external 3.5 drive; just
not sure it works presently.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
cheez
Sent: October 14, 2018 11:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Need help wiping out a laptop
Matthew, you are dating yourself my friend. LOL.
3.5 floppies. I don't 'think you can get a drive for those things anymore,
can you?
I have a few floppies that I'd like to copy onto my hard drive, but I don't
know if external 3.5's exist.
Not to start an off topic here, but do you remember the
died-before-they-got-off-the-table 2.88 floppies?
Just like the Digital Cassettes they never stood a chance.
Vince
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Chao" <mattchao@verizon.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Need help wiping out a laptop

Hi, Jeff. DBAN can be obtained for free from www.dban.org (I think). Been
a while since I downloaded a copy. Otherwise, Google it, and you should
find it. You will need some sighted assistance at boot-up; you need to
burn a CD and copy files to it, or use a floppy 3.5-inch. I did this with
two computers I needed to dispose of, and even the operating system went
away. Good stuff. Cleans according to military/DOD specs.--Matthew Chao



On 10/14/2018 2:47 AM, Audiobookfan wrote:
What is DBAN and where can one get it? I have a couple of old laptops
that I want to retire and dispose of, but I want to be sure all personal
data has been removed from them. Both laptops run Vista.

Can I accomplish this data cleansing without sighted assistance using
JAWS?

Thanks,
Jeff


On 10/13/2018 6:01 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:
Well, if you were wiping it out for disposal, DBAN would be the way to
go.� But since you don't want to wipe out the operating system, it's
more involved.� What exaqctly do you need to get rid of?--Matthew Chao



On 10/13/2018 8:45 PM, TheHangMan wrote:
Hi,

Like the subject says, I need to set up this other laptop like some
what new again and have it as a backup laptop.

Once, I install jaws the rest is no worries!

But, I�m not sure on how to completely wipe it out correctly cause
jaws is not working?

I�m also trying to avoid a� trip to best buy geek squad.

Thank you

Jorge,

There is no better symbol for the purpose we serve than the emblem
every Marine earns: the Eagle, Globe and Anchor. The eagle represents
the proud nation we defend. It stands at the ready with our coastlines
in sight and the entire world within reach of its outstretched wings.
The globe represents our worldwide presence. The anchor points both to
the Marine Corps' naval heritage and its ability to access any
coastline in the world. Together, the eagle, globe and anchor symbolize
our commitment to defend our nation�in the air, on land and at sea.






Re: Need help wiping out a laptop

Matthew Chao
 

Yeah, you probably can if you dig around enough.--Matt.

On 10/14/2018 11:52 AM, cheez wrote:
Matthew, you are dating yourself my friend.� LOL.
3.5 floppies.� I don't 'think you can get a drive for those things anymore, can you?
I have a few floppies that I'd like to copy onto my hard drive, but I don't know if external 3.5's exist.
Not to start an off topic here, but do you remember the died-before-they-got-off-the-table 2.88 floppies?
Just like the Digital Cassettes they never stood a chance.
Vince
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Chao" <mattchao@verizon.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Need help wiping out a laptop

Hi, Jeff.� DBAN can be obtained for free from www.dban.org (I think). Been a while since I downloaded a copy.� Otherwise, Google it, and you should find it.� You will need some sighted assistance at boot-up; you need to burn a CD and copy files to it, or use a floppy 3.5-inch.� I did this with two computers I needed to dispose of, and even the operating system went away.� Good stuff.� Cleans according to military/DOD specs.--Matthew Chao



On 10/14/2018 2:47 AM, Audiobookfan wrote:
What is DBAN and where can one get it? I have a couple of old laptops that I want to retire and dispose of, but I want to be sure all personal data has been removed from them. Both laptops run Vista.

Can I accomplish this data cleansing without sighted assistance using JAWS?

Thanks,
Jeff


On 10/13/2018 6:01 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:
Well, if you were wiping it out for disposal, DBAN would be the way to go.� But since you don't want to wipe out the operating system, it's more involved.� What exaqctly do you need to get rid of?--Matthew Chao



On 10/13/2018 8:45 PM, TheHangMan wrote:
Hi,

Like the subject says, I need to set up this other laptop like some what new again and have it as a backup laptop.

Once, I install jaws the rest is no worries!

But, I�m not sure on how to completely wipe it out correctly cause jaws is not working?

I�m also trying to avoid a� trip to best buy geek squad.

Thank you

Jorge,

There is no better symbol for the purpose we serve than the emblem every Marine earns: the Eagle, Globe and Anchor. The eagle represents the proud nation we defend. It stands at the ready with our coastlines in sight and the entire world within reach of its outstretched wings. The globe represents our worldwide presence. The anchor points both to the Marine Corps' naval heritage and its ability to access any coastline in the world. Together, the eagle, globe and anchor symbolize our commitment to defend our nation�in the air, on land and at sea.






Re: USPS edit box issue.

Judy Jones
 

Yes, provided I can get to them.

 

That’s like back in the 70s in California, I believe it was, when police wanted to jail protesters in wheelchairs, then found their jail cells weren’t accessible, couldn’t get the prospective inmates through the cell doors.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 2:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Wow, Judy LOL!

Talk about irony right there!

You should definitely tell them about that LOL!

David Moore

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 5:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

So this is a laugh, bitter/sweet.

 

On their site they talk about how web accessibility is ongoing and if any questions to contact them.  I press the link to contact regarding accessibility, and there is a 404 not found error message.

 

Talk about accessibility!

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

 

Apparently, the Office of the Postal Inspector General is responsible for dealing with web site accessibility problems:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

 

 

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Gerald,

 

The USPS is actually an independent agency of the Federal Government. What that means and how much the USPS adheres to federal regulations, I have no clue.

 

Marvin

 

 

 

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 9:33 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

 

Because the USPS is a government agency, aren’t they requiered by law to make their web site accessible to screen readers?  Or do they have some special exeption?  Or is the law simply not being enforced because there is nobody to force them to comply?

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Robin Frost

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 8:23 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Hi Judy,

I’m late to this thread I apologize. but yes yes yes yes and yes this has been a known issue since they rolled out their site redesign in May. Essentially Blind people can mail packages by paying more to use flat rate boxes but can’t use their own box and input weight manually.  I’ve been politely advocating and even screaming a little about this for 5 months and no one seems to care. Sorry I couldn’t be more positive on this one.

Take good care.

Robin

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:45 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Hello, Glenn and others,

 

I tried the quick tools menu.  It expanded and I went to the click ‘n ship I needed.  However, the edit boxes for the package weight would not activate.  Bummer!

 

It was good for me to use Quick Tools though and know about it for in future.

 

But those vital boxes won’t do anything.

 

At work, I used to use Windows 7 as well.  I have shipped before using Windows 10 on my computer, but it sure isn’t working now.

 

Any other ideas?

 

Judy

 

 


Re: chrome

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I know many sighted people also hate it. Of course, to each their own, but imo it’s a terrible idea to have something start playing at you just because you entered or clicked on an URL.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: October 14, 2018 5:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

It is like anything else, some hate it, some love it; being totally blind, I hate it when it is too loud, I cannot hear JAWS and the Stop or Pause button is not right there on top;  most people however, prefer autoplay if it is not too loud and easy to stop, not only on computers, but notably even more so while using smart phones and tablets.

 

Humberto

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Good decision on chrome’s part. I hate autoplay so much.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: October 14, 2018 9:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Hello Adrian:

 

Well, thanks anyway for responding; you see, I have been doing podcasting and internet radio for years, I like for the station identification and then whatever program is on the air at the time to sound as soon as the page opens, the same as video does in Youtube; formerly that was easily accomplished with Flash Player, more recently with HTML5 for modern browsers with Flash Player fallback for older ones, but since wile ago, Chrome announced it was disabling the autorun argument to both the HTML5 label and Flash Player, so now when the page opens in Chrome, you must press the Play button in order for the sound to begin, not so in any other browser; thus my inquiry, since I have not found a way to do it.

 

I have no idea how Youtube does it, if indeed it does, I have not tried them using Chrome, I normally still use Internet Explorer 11.

 

Regards,

 

Humberto

 

Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Hi, Umberto.

 

Perhaps I’m interpreting “audio stream” too liberally. I know if I open a YouTube page with Chrome, the audio/video almost always starts right away. A members-only website I often use also plays videos when a page is opened. But I usually avoid audio streams of any kind, so I can’t come up with many examples off the top of my head. But if YouTube is a valid example, here’s a link I found more or less at random, based on my choice of artist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W81HAYZbgDY

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Hello Adrian and all:

 

I am surprised to hear you say that audio streams play in Chrome when you open a page that contains an audio stream player since Chrome has unabled the autoplay attribute of the audio label.  Could it be that a certain page is using a different player?  Please let me know the URL  of a page that autoplays an audio stream in Chrome.

 

Thanks,

 

Humberto

 

Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

As I said, they usually do for me. If they don’t, as in the mute situation I mentioned, sometimes I need to find a play button. There is one website I visit where the audio does not play and there’s no play button. The same is true for that website when I use IE. However, I can get to the play button on that webpage with Firefox. This is a rare exception. Mostly, when I use Chrome, Audio streams start up right away when I land on a webpage playing one.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:16 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

They don’t automatically play in chrome.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:45 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Here’s how I work with Chrome’s bookmarks. First, some basics.

 

Bookmarks are to Chrome what favorites are to Internet Explorer.

 

Open Chrome and go to a page, any page, such as your default homepage. Make sure that once open, the page isn’t blank. Sometimes I open Chrome to my default homepage, but nothing is there. If that’s the case, press F5 and it should appear.

Now press the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Note that this menu isn’t structured the way many of us were familiar with in the pre-ribbon days, nor is it a ribbon.

Arrow up or down once to get into the menu, then press b for bookmark. If you don’t first do this arrow keystroke, “b” doesn’t register.

You’ll land on a bookmarks submenu. Press enter.

Now you can arrow up or down through the bookmark options, including any bookmarks you’ve preset.

If you wish to import bookmarks from another browser, you’ll see that option clearly labeled.

To create a new bookmark, you don’t need to be in these menus. As with IE, press control-d on the page you want to return to. Chrome, like IE, gives you the option to edit the bookmark’s name.

 

Now for some pointers that work for me but that I don’t fully understand. They may not work for everyone.

First, a limitation is that imported bookmarks are kept separate from those you create with Chrome. If anyone knows how to merge all Chrome bookmarks into one convenient place, I’d love the answer.

Second, an item in the Chrome menu enables you to “show bookmarks bar.” I believe the default is unchecked; I checked it. I’m not really sure what this bar does for JAWS users, but it’s almost certainly the reason why something very useful happened after I checked this box.

When in Chrome, with the bookmarks bar checked, I can press F6 to get to my IE bookmarks. When I first open Chrome, I just need to press F6 once. After I’ve opened a page, two presses bring up this list.

I press enter, then arrow down or first-letter navigate through my imported IE bookmarks.

Why only IE bookmarks show up in the F6 is a mystery to me. However, since almost all my long-established bookmarks  are there, I’m content. Otherwise, for newly created bookmarks, I go to the Chrome menu with alt, arrow up or down once, press b, then enter, and then arrow up through the new list.

 

A note on my previous Chrome post.

I mentioned Chrome’s reliance on headers. I should have explained that this is the case in the “Settings” section of the Chrome menu.

 

I find Chrome’s menu structure clunky but workable. It was when my IE favorites started showing up with F6 that I felt I could work with it. I do a lot of online research, and there’s no doubt that Chrome gives access to more websites than the other two leading windows browsers, and also better access than most to each website once it is opened. There are exceptions, which is why I keep IE and Firefox.

 

Dennis, I don’t know why audio streams aren’t automatically playing for you. They do for me, unless I’ve accidentally muted my speakers or a website.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.

 

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.

 

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

 

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.

 

If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome

 

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990


Re: USPS edit box issue.

David Moore
 

Wow, Judy LOL!

Talk about irony right there!

You should definitely tell them about that LOL!

David Moore

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 5:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

So this is a laugh, bitter/sweet.

 

On their site they talk about how web accessibility is ongoing and if any questions to contact them.  I press the link to contact regarding accessibility, and there is a 404 not found error message.

 

Talk about accessibility!

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

 

Apparently, the Office of the Postal Inspector General is responsible for dealing with web site accessibility problems:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

 

 

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Gerald,

 

The USPS is actually an independent agency of the Federal Government. What that means and how much the USPS adheres to federal regulations, I have no clue.

 

Marvin

 

 

 

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 9:33 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

 

Because the USPS is a government agency, aren’t they requiered by law to make their web site accessible to screen readers?  Or do they have some special exeption?  Or is the law simply not being enforced because there is nobody to force them to comply?

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Robin Frost

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 8:23 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Hi Judy,

I’m late to this thread I apologize. but yes yes yes yes and yes this has been a known issue since they rolled out their site redesign in May. Essentially Blind people can mail packages by paying more to use flat rate boxes but can’t use their own box and input weight manually.  I’ve been politely advocating and even screaming a little about this for 5 months and no one seems to care. Sorry I couldn’t be more positive on this one.

Take good care.

Robin

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:45 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Hello, Glenn and others,

 

I tried the quick tools menu.  It expanded and I went to the click ‘n ship I needed.  However, the edit boxes for the package weight would not activate.  Bummer!

 

It was good for me to use Quick Tools though and know about it for in future.

 

But those vital boxes won’t do anything.

 

At work, I used to use Windows 7 as well.  I have shipped before using Windows 10 on my computer, but it sure isn’t working now.

 

Any other ideas?

 

Judy

 

 


Re: chrome

David Moore
 

JAWS has audio Ducking!

You can at least keep JAWS talking, and lower the audio, and find the pause button with JAWS being a lot louder!

David Moore

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 5:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

It is like anything else, some hate it, some love it; being totally blind, I hate it when it is too loud, I cannot hear JAWS and the Stop or Pause button is not right there on top;  most people however, prefer autoplay if it is not too loud and easy to stop, not only on computers, but notably even more so while using smart phones and tablets.

 

Humberto

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Good decision on chrome’s part. I hate autoplay so much.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: October 14, 2018 9:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Hello Adrian:

 

Well, thanks anyway for responding; you see, I have been doing podcasting and internet radio for years, I like for the station identification and then whatever program is on the air at the time to sound as soon as the page opens, the same as video does in Youtube; formerly that was easily accomplished with Flash Player, more recently with HTML5 for modern browsers with Flash Player fallback for older ones, but since wile ago, Chrome announced it was disabling the autorun argument to both the HTML5 label and Flash Player, so now when the page opens in Chrome, you must press the Play button in order for the sound to begin, not so in any other browser; thus my inquiry, since I have not found a way to do it.

 

I have no idea how Youtube does it, if indeed it does, I have not tried them using Chrome, I normally still use Internet Explorer 11.

 

Regards,

 

Humberto

 

Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Hi, Umberto.

 

Perhaps I’m interpreting “audio stream” too liberally. I know if I open a YouTube page with Chrome, the audio/video almost always starts right away. A members-only website I often use also plays videos when a page is opened. But I usually avoid audio streams of any kind, so I can’t come up with many examples off the top of my head. But if YouTube is a valid example, here’s a link I found more or less at random, based on my choice of artist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W81HAYZbgDY

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Hello Adrian and all:

 

I am surprised to hear you say that audio streams play in Chrome when you open a page that contains an audio stream player since Chrome has unabled the autoplay attribute of the audio label.  Could it be that a certain page is using a different player?  Please let me know the URL  of a page that autoplays an audio stream in Chrome.

 

Thanks,

 

Humberto

 

Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

As I said, they usually do for me. If they don’t, as in the mute situation I mentioned, sometimes I need to find a play button. There is one website I visit where the audio does not play and there’s no play button. The same is true for that website when I use IE. However, I can get to the play button on that webpage with Firefox. This is a rare exception. Mostly, when I use Chrome, Audio streams start up right away when I land on a webpage playing one.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:16 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

They don’t automatically play in chrome.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:45 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Here’s how I work with Chrome’s bookmarks. First, some basics.

 

Bookmarks are to Chrome what favorites are to Internet Explorer.

 

Open Chrome and go to a page, any page, such as your default homepage. Make sure that once open, the page isn’t blank. Sometimes I open Chrome to my default homepage, but nothing is there. If that’s the case, press F5 and it should appear.

Now press the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Note that this menu isn’t structured the way many of us were familiar with in the pre-ribbon days, nor is it a ribbon.

Arrow up or down once to get into the menu, then press b for bookmark. If you don’t first do this arrow keystroke, “b” doesn’t register.

You’ll land on a bookmarks submenu. Press enter.

Now you can arrow up or down through the bookmark options, including any bookmarks you’ve preset.

If you wish to import bookmarks from another browser, you’ll see that option clearly labeled.

To create a new bookmark, you don’t need to be in these menus. As with IE, press control-d on the page you want to return to. Chrome, like IE, gives you the option to edit the bookmark’s name.

 

Now for some pointers that work for me but that I don’t fully understand. They may not work for everyone.

First, a limitation is that imported bookmarks are kept separate from those you create with Chrome. If anyone knows how to merge all Chrome bookmarks into one convenient place, I’d love the answer.

Second, an item in the Chrome menu enables you to “show bookmarks bar.” I believe the default is unchecked; I checked it. I’m not really sure what this bar does for JAWS users, but it’s almost certainly the reason why something very useful happened after I checked this box.

When in Chrome, with the bookmarks bar checked, I can press F6 to get to my IE bookmarks. When I first open Chrome, I just need to press F6 once. After I’ve opened a page, two presses bring up this list.

I press enter, then arrow down or first-letter navigate through my imported IE bookmarks.

Why only IE bookmarks show up in the F6 is a mystery to me. However, since almost all my long-established bookmarks  are there, I’m content. Otherwise, for newly created bookmarks, I go to the Chrome menu with alt, arrow up or down once, press b, then enter, and then arrow up through the new list.

 

A note on my previous Chrome post.

I mentioned Chrome’s reliance on headers. I should have explained that this is the case in the “Settings” section of the Chrome menu.

 

I find Chrome’s menu structure clunky but workable. It was when my IE favorites started showing up with F6 that I felt I could work with it. I do a lot of online research, and there’s no doubt that Chrome gives access to more websites than the other two leading windows browsers, and also better access than most to each website once it is opened. There are exceptions, which is why I keep IE and Firefox.

 

Dennis, I don’t know why audio streams aren’t automatically playing for you. They do for me, unless I’ve accidentally muted my speakers or a website.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.

 

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.

 

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

 

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.

 

If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome

 

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

---

Please visit my web page

It’s motivational, inspirational with a touch of humor

There is also a very extensive resource list for the blind

http://www.LennyMcHugh.com

International Brotherhood of Magicians member #43990

 


Re: chrome

 

It is like anything else, some hate it, some love it; being totally blind, I hate it when it is too loud, I cannot hear JAWS and the Stop or Pause button is not right there on top;  most people however, prefer autoplay if it is not too loud and easy to stop, not only on computers, but notably even more so while using smart phones and tablets.

 

Humberto

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Good decision on chrome’s part. I hate autoplay so much.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: October 14, 2018 9:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Hello Adrian:

 

Well, thanks anyway for responding; you see, I have been doing podcasting and internet radio for years, I like for the station identification and then whatever program is on the air at the time to sound as soon as the page opens, the same as video does in Youtube; formerly that was easily accomplished with Flash Player, more recently with HTML5 for modern browsers with Flash Player fallback for older ones, but since wile ago, Chrome announced it was disabling the autorun argument to both the HTML5 label and Flash Player, so now when the page opens in Chrome, you must press the Play button in order for the sound to begin, not so in any other browser; thus my inquiry, since I have not found a way to do it.

 

I have no idea how Youtube does it, if indeed it does, I have not tried them using Chrome, I normally still use Internet Explorer 11.

 

Regards,

 

Humberto

 

Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Hi, Umberto.

 

Perhaps I’m interpreting “audio stream” too liberally. I know if I open a YouTube page with Chrome, the audio/video almost always starts right away. A members-only website I often use also plays videos when a page is opened. But I usually avoid audio streams of any kind, so I can’t come up with many examples off the top of my head. But if YouTube is a valid example, here’s a link I found more or less at random, based on my choice of artist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W81HAYZbgDY

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Humberto Rodriguez
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Hello Adrian and all:

 

I am surprised to hear you say that audio streams play in Chrome when you open a page that contains an audio stream player since Chrome has unabled the autoplay attribute of the audio label.  Could it be that a certain page is using a different player?  Please let me know the URL  of a page that autoplays an audio stream in Chrome.

 

Thanks,

 

Humberto

 

Humberto Rodriguez

Fort White, Florida

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

As I said, they usually do for me. If they don’t, as in the mute situation I mentioned, sometimes I need to find a play button. There is one website I visit where the audio does not play and there’s no play button. The same is true for that website when I use IE. However, I can get to the play button on that webpage with Firefox. This is a rare exception. Mostly, when I use Chrome, Audio streams start up right away when I land on a webpage playing one.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:16 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

They don’t automatically play in chrome.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:45 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

Here’s how I work with Chrome’s bookmarks. First, some basics.

 

Bookmarks are to Chrome what favorites are to Internet Explorer.

 

Open Chrome and go to a page, any page, such as your default homepage. Make sure that once open, the page isn’t blank. Sometimes I open Chrome to my default homepage, but nothing is there. If that’s the case, press F5 and it should appear.

Now press the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Note that this menu isn’t structured the way many of us were familiar with in the pre-ribbon days, nor is it a ribbon.

Arrow up or down once to get into the menu, then press b for bookmark. If you don’t first do this arrow keystroke, “b” doesn’t register.

You’ll land on a bookmarks submenu. Press enter.

Now you can arrow up or down through the bookmark options, including any bookmarks you’ve preset.

If you wish to import bookmarks from another browser, you’ll see that option clearly labeled.

To create a new bookmark, you don’t need to be in these menus. As with IE, press control-d on the page you want to return to. Chrome, like IE, gives you the option to edit the bookmark’s name.

 

Now for some pointers that work for me but that I don’t fully understand. They may not work for everyone.

First, a limitation is that imported bookmarks are kept separate from those you create with Chrome. If anyone knows how to merge all Chrome bookmarks into one convenient place, I’d love the answer.

Second, an item in the Chrome menu enables you to “show bookmarks bar.” I believe the default is unchecked; I checked it. I’m not really sure what this bar does for JAWS users, but it’s almost certainly the reason why something very useful happened after I checked this box.

When in Chrome, with the bookmarks bar checked, I can press F6 to get to my IE bookmarks. When I first open Chrome, I just need to press F6 once. After I’ve opened a page, two presses bring up this list.

I press enter, then arrow down or first-letter navigate through my imported IE bookmarks.

Why only IE bookmarks show up in the F6 is a mystery to me. However, since almost all my long-established bookmarks  are there, I’m content. Otherwise, for newly created bookmarks, I go to the Chrome menu with alt, arrow up or down once, press b, then enter, and then arrow up through the new list.

 

A note on my previous Chrome post.

I mentioned Chrome’s reliance on headers. I should have explained that this is the case in the “Settings” section of the Chrome menu.

 

I find Chrome’s menu structure clunky but workable. It was when my IE favorites started showing up with F6 that I felt I could work with it. I do a lot of online research, and there’s no doubt that Chrome gives access to more websites than the other two leading windows browsers, and also better access than most to each website once it is opened. There are exceptions, which is why I keep IE and Firefox.

 

Dennis, I don’t know why audio streams aren’t automatically playing for you. They do for me, unless I’ve accidentally muted my speakers or a website.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

If someone could explain how to quickly access favorites and how to auto play flash streams this would be appreciated.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I agree that all three browsers are now needed, but I’d like to reinforce Chrome as first choice for primary browser. I was a very reluctant adopter of Chrome, as I made clear when I argued with another lister that it wasn’t completely accessible. In fact, it wasn’t at the time. After my first experiment or two with it, I went back to IE11. But IE11 works with increasingly fewer websites. Meanwhile, Chrome’s accessibility kept improving.

 

Firefox is a mystery to me. One moment JAWS catches up to it, the next JAWS and Firefox are incompatible. Right now, there’s one website I regularly visit that works only with the current version of Firefox. The daily video at that website can’t be found with either chrome or IE11, but its’ right there with Firefox.

 

Chrome works mostly like IE and Firefox. All the navigation commands work the same. The big difference is its menu structure. But once I figured out how to gain fast access to the favorites that I’d transferred over from IE, everything else was minor.

 

The menu structure is navigated by a combination of the alt key and h for headers. I have Mike B to thank for pointing that out. So, you press the alt key to enter the file menu. Then you press h until you find a heading that might be relevant to what you want. Then you arrow down through the options.

 

If I need to explain favorites, I’ll gladly do so when it isn’t so late and I don’t have a ton of other things to do.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] chrome

 

I have found that I need all three.

Different browsers for different pages.

Usually Chrome works well, I just don't prefer it because it is substantially different.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:24 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] chrome

 

What works better fire fox or chrome. Using latest jaws 2018. I was having problems reading our local paper and they suggested that I do not use I.E. but fire fox or chrome and preferably chrome. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if it is worth trying?

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Re: USPS edit box issue.

Judy Jones
 

So this is a laugh, bitter/sweet.

 

On their site they talk about how web accessibility is ongoing and if any questions to contact them.  I press the link to contact regarding accessibility, and there is a 404 not found error message.

 

Talk about accessibility!

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

 

Apparently, the Office of the Postal Inspector General is responsible for dealing with web site accessibility problems:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

 

 

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Gerald,

 

The USPS is actually an independent agency of the Federal Government. What that means and how much the USPS adheres to federal regulations, I have no clue.

 

Marvin

 

 

 

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 9:33 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

 

Because the USPS is a government agency, aren’t they requiered by law to make their web site accessible to screen readers?  Or do they have some special exeption?  Or is the law simply not being enforced because there is nobody to force them to comply?

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Robin Frost

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 8:23 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Hi Judy,

I’m late to this thread I apologize. but yes yes yes yes and yes this has been a known issue since they rolled out their site redesign in May. Essentially Blind people can mail packages by paying more to use flat rate boxes but can’t use their own box and input weight manually.  I’ve been politely advocating and even screaming a little about this for 5 months and no one seems to care. Sorry I couldn’t be more positive on this one.

Take good care.

Robin

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:45 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Hello, Glenn and others,

 

I tried the quick tools menu.  It expanded and I went to the click ‘n ship I needed.  However, the edit boxes for the package weight would not activate.  Bummer!

 

It was good for me to use Quick Tools though and know about it for in future.

 

But those vital boxes won’t do anything.

 

At work, I used to use Windows 7 as well.  I have shipped before using Windows 10 on my computer, but it sure isn’t working now.

 

Any other ideas?

 

Judy

 


Re: USPS edit box issue.

Judy Jones
 

Thanks for this!

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

 

Apparently, the Office of the Postal Inspector General is responsible for dealing with web site accessibility problems:

 

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

 

 

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 10:59 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Gerald,

 

The USPS is actually an independent agency of the Federal Government. What that means and how much the USPS adheres to federal regulations, I have no clue.

 

Marvin

 

 

 

From: Gerald Levy

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 9:33 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

 

Because the USPS is a government agency, aren’t they requiered by law to make their web site accessible to screen readers?  Or do they have some special exeption?  Or is the law simply not being enforced because there is nobody to force them to comply?

 

Gerald

 

 

 

From: Robin Frost

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 8:23 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Hi Judy,

I’m late to this thread I apologize. but yes yes yes yes and yes this has been a known issue since they rolled out their site redesign in May. Essentially Blind people can mail packages by paying more to use flat rate boxes but can’t use their own box and input weight manually.  I’ve been politely advocating and even screaming a little about this for 5 months and no one seems to care. Sorry I couldn’t be more positive on this one.

Take good care.

Robin

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:45 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] USPS edit box issue.

 

Hello, Glenn and others,

 

I tried the quick tools menu.  It expanded and I went to the click ‘n ship I needed.  However, the edit boxes for the package weight would not activate.  Bummer!

 

It was good for me to use Quick Tools though and know about it for in future.

 

But those vital boxes won’t do anything.

 

At work, I used to use Windows 7 as well.  I have shipped before using Windows 10 on my computer, but it sure isn’t working now.

 

Any other ideas?

 

Judy

 


Re: I keep hearing a strange message when I open an email in outlook 2010.

Jim Rawls
 

Dave, issue resolved. I rebooted the computer and the weird message went away. Jim

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:54 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] I keep hearing a strange message when I open an email in outlook 2010.

 

Use the JAWS history feature to find out just what is being said. Insert+Spacebar, then H.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Rawls

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:24

Subject: [jaws-users] I keep hearing a strange message when I open an email in outlook 2010.

 

Hi all, I can’t quite understand the message, it’s something like 1 del jump bellum. That makes no sense and I’m not sure of what it is saying, but it won’t let me copy it so I can’t reproduce it here. Anyway, this message comes up just before the message reads. Anyone else has this in jaws 2019 latest update? I am running jaws 2019 latest update, outlook 2010 and windows ten. Jim


Re: I keep hearing a strange message when I open an email in outlook 2010.

Dave... <dgcarlson@...>
 

Use the JAWS history feature to find out just what is being said. Insert+Spacebar, then H.
 
Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:24
Subject: [jaws-users] I keep hearing a strange message when I open an email in outlook 2010.

Hi all, I can’t quite understand the message, it’s something like 1 del jump bellum. That makes no sense and I’m not sure of what it is saying, but it won’t let me copy it so I can’t reproduce it here. Anyway, this message comes up just before the message reads. Anyone else has this in jaws 2019 latest update? I am running jaws 2019 latest update, outlook 2010 and windows ten. Jim


Re: I keep hearing a strange message when I open an email in outlook 2010.

david
 

not sure what the message is, however, sounds like there's some dell utility running in the background.

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 2:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] I keep hearing a strange message when I open an email in outlook 2010.

 

Hi all, I can’t quite understand the message, it’s something like 1 del jump bellum. That makes no sense and I’m not sure of what it is saying, but it won’t let me copy it so I can’t reproduce it here. Anyway, this message comes up just before the message reads. Anyone else has this in jaws 2019 latest update? I am running jaws 2019 latest update, outlook 2010 and windows ten. Jim

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