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Re: all of a sudden jaws has become an "allow through UAC program"

Byron Stephens
 

Sounds like a uac sensetivity issue. The farther you have it up it comes up all the more.

----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:55 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] all of a sudden jaws has become an "allow through UAC program"

This is only when using Jaws 18;19 is fine and works as always. I understand the UAC message comes up when installing or changing something in any program. But Jaws has never presented that "do you want to allow" message simply upon opening it from the desktop. Does anyone know what happened? Should I reinstall or try a repair? I shouldn't have to allow upon opening it every single time, and I wonder if I did something that now brings up UAC?
 
Joanne
 

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

O pooh!  Plus, you would want a key combination you could do with one hand.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I looked in keyboard manager, and I cannot find anything for the escape function, or alt + F4 to add to insert + enter.

There's no insert + enter to add alt + F4 to either.

There is control + W that I could set to do when doing insert + enter, but that would not close an eMail message.

Glenn

.

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:52 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Let us know if it works, or could you do it with a key closer to the insert, assuming you’re talking about the num pad?  I don’t know about remapping, although I understand generally what it is.  I have done it on my Android phone.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Maybe I could remap insert + enter to do the escape function.

Glenn

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

Yes, NVDA is my backup, too, but I know people who absolutely love it, so I believe it is all in what you get used to.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I like NVDA, but it is not as intuitive as Jaws, and it will always be a backup screenreader to me.

If someone could make a Jaws layout for NVDA, I think it would be more popular, but it may not be possible.

Window Eyes did this to their credit.

And Microsoft did this long ago for Word users, giving the user the option to use WordPerfect commands.

Glenn

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:03 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

The laptop keyboard layout and the ability to navigate without always having to move your hands back and forth between the arrow keys and alphanumeric part is the main reason why I haven’t switched to NVDA or even given serious thought to using it more. NVDA’s nice and all, but always having to use the arrow keys for line or paragraph navigation etc is a behavior I just can’t get past. There isn’t even an add-on to modify this behavior.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: expected jaws behavior

Van Lant, Robin
 

This sounds like the behavior I was seeing in Chrome and is the behavior I would expect and want.  Again,  when you header question ins short, it’s not a problem to hear it before each  answer, but I the question is long, it is really cumbersome and time wasting to have to listen to the question over before each answer option is read.  I would be more likely to use insert A or insert F to navigate in a survey, not tab.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Raikes
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 12:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] expected jaws behavior

 

Humberto,

 

Interesting catch, but now it is really odd:

 

When none of the radio buttons is selected, jumping to the heading before the radio group then tabbing into the radiogroup causes jaws to read the group label along with the first button’s label tabbing again jaws reads just the button label for the remaining two buttons.

The same kind of behavior is true if I start at the bottom of the page and shift-tab through the radio buttons.

 

If I select the first button, then go back to the top of the page and jump to the heading then tab to the radiogroup, jaws reads the group label then the label for the first button and that it is checked and that there are three buttons.

Tabbing again causes jaws to bypass the remainder of the buttons and go to the browser toolbar.

 

If the second button is selected, then after jumping to the header tabbing once takes me to the first radio button and jaws reads the group label and the button label. Tabbing again takes me to the second button and reads  just the button label and that it is checked. Tabbing again takes my to the browser toolbar bypassing the third button altogether.

 

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From: Humberto Rodriguez <sub@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] expected jaws behavior

 

Hello Don:

 

In my opinion, this has nothing to do with JAWS, but with the DOCTYPE declaration of the webpage.   If you try to replace the top two lines of your webpage with just this:

 

<DOCTYPE html>

 

To indicate that it is an HTML5 page, the current standard, instead of the antiquated HTML 1.0 and xtml, I imagine you would find that the legend would be repeated each time you tab to the next control, as it should, therefore it should be a short legend, and radial choices would be chosen automatically as you down-arrow while on forms mode.

 

hTH,

 

Humberto

.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Raikes
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] expected jaws behavior

 

Hello JAWS users:

 

I need some help from the folks on this list as a representative group of “typical” JAWS users.

 

I have been tasked with creating a short class on how to test web pages for accessibility, and I have run into a situation where JAWS is not behaving the way I would have expected, so I want some feedback from other s on how you would expect jaws to behave.

 

I have a webpage with a group of radio buttons on it:

http://donraikes.github.io/htmlex/radiogroup

 

If I jump to the first heading on the page, then tab to the first radio button, depending on the browser sometimes jaws will read the radiogroup label then the radio button value, some times it doesn’t read the label.

The same is true if I go past the radio group and shift-tab back to the last button in the group.

 

Sometimes I can tab through the entire list of buttons in the group sometimes tabbing once takes me into the list then the next tab takes me out of the list altogether.

 

When I use the forms quick navigation sometimes jaws reads the label then the button value sometimes it doesn’t.

 

I would appreciate any opinions/feelings on what jaws should be doing also if anyone is experiencing anything different with this particular webpage.

 

For those techie types, the page contains a form with a fieldset inside of it. The fieldset has a legend and three input tags inside of it to form the radio group.

 

Thanks in advance,

Donald

 

--
Thanks, Donald

Accessibility, like security, is better when built-in from the beginning rather than bolted on at the end.


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Mobile: +15202717608 | VOIP: +15205744033
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Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

I like NVDA, but it is not as intuitive as Jaws, and it will always be a backup screenreader to me.
If someone could make a Jaws layout for NVDA, I think it would be more popular, but it may not be possible.
Window Eyes did this to their credit.
And Microsoft did this long ago for Word users, giving the user the option to use WordPerfect commands.
Glenn

From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

The laptop keyboard layout and the ability to navigate without always having to move your hands back and forth between the arrow keys and alphanumeric part is the main reason why I haven’t switched to NVDA or even given serious thought to using it more. NVDA’s nice and all, but always having to use the arrow keys for line or paragraph navigation etc is a behavior I just can’t get past. There isn’t even an add-on to modify this behavior.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: all of a sudden jaws has become an "allow through UAC program"

netbat66
 

try opening a context menu on the jaws desktop icon. click on properties and check advanced. and make sure run as administrator is unchecked.

-----Original Message-----
From: joanne
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:55 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] all of a sudden jaws has become an "allow through UAC program"


This is only when using Jaws 18;19 is fine and works as always. I understand the UAC message comes up when installing or changing something in any program. But Jaws has never presented that "do you want to allow" message simply upon opening it from the desktop. Does anyone know what happened? Should I reinstall or try a repair? I shouldn't have to allow upon opening it every single time, and I wonder if I did something that now brings up UAC?

Joanne

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

Also putting the ctrl key in combination with the caps-lock key is different, but very doable.  You can choose either desktop or laptop with NVDA, too.

 

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:04 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

The laptop keyboard layout and the ability to navigate without always having to move your hands back and forth between the arrow keys and alphanumeric part is the main reason why I haven’t switched to NVDA or even given serious thought to using it more. NVDA’s nice and all, but always having to use the arrow keys for line or paragraph navigation etc is a behavior I just can’t get past. There isn’t even an add-on to modify this behavior.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

I looked in keyboard manager, and I cannot find anything for the escape function, or alt + F4 to add to insert + enter.
There's no insert + enter to add alt + F4 to either.
There is control + W that I could set to do when doing insert + enter, but that would not close an eMail message.
Glenn
.
 

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Let us know if it works, or could you do it with a key closer to the insert, assuming you’re talking about the num pad?  I don’t know about remapping, although I understand generally what it is.  I have done it on my Android phone.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Maybe I could remap insert + enter to do the escape function.

Glenn

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: expected jaws behavior

Don Raikes
 

Humberto,

 

Interesting catch, but now it is really odd:

 

When none of the radio buttons is selected, jumping to the heading before the radio group then tabbing into the radiogroup causes jaws to read the group label along with the first button’s label tabbing again jaws reads just the button label for the remaining two buttons.

The same kind of behavior is true if I start at the bottom of the page and shift-tab through the radio buttons.

 

If I select the first button, then go back to the top of the page and jump to the heading then tab to the radiogroup, jaws reads the group label then the label for the first button and that it is checked and that there are three buttons.

Tabbing again causes jaws to bypass the remainder of the buttons and go to the browser toolbar.

 

If the second button is selected, then after jumping to the header tabbing once takes me to the first radio button and jaws reads the group label and the button label. Tabbing again takes me to the second button and reads  just the button label and that it is checked. Tabbing again takes my to the browser toolbar bypassing the third button altogether.

 

--
Thanks, Donald

Accessibility, like security, is better when built-in from the beginning rather than bolted on at the end.


Oracle
Donald Raikes | Accessibility Specialist
Mobile: +15202717608 | VOIP: +15205744033
Oracle Accessibility Program Office
| Tucson, Arizona

Green Oracle

Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment

 

From: Humberto Rodriguez <sub@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] expected jaws behavior

 

Hello Don:

 

In my opinion, this has nothing to do with JAWS, but with the DOCTYPE declaration of the webpage.   If you try to replace the top two lines of your webpage with just this:

 

<DOCTYPE html>

 

To indicate that it is an HTML5 page, the current standard, instead of the antiquated HTML 1.0 and xtml, I imagine you would find that the legend would be repeated each time you tab to the next control, as it should, therefore it should be a short legend, and radial choices would be chosen automatically as you down-arrow while on forms mode.

 

hTH,

 

Humberto

.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Raikes
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] expected jaws behavior

 

Hello JAWS users:

 

I need some help from the folks on this list as a representative group of “typical” JAWS users.

 

I have been tasked with creating a short class on how to test web pages for accessibility, and I have run into a situation where JAWS is not behaving the way I would have expected, so I want some feedback from other s on how you would expect jaws to behave.

 

I have a webpage with a group of radio buttons on it:

http://donraikes.github.io/htmlex/radiogroup

 

If I jump to the first heading on the page, then tab to the first radio button, depending on the browser sometimes jaws will read the radiogroup label then the radio button value, some times it doesn’t read the label.

The same is true if I go past the radio group and shift-tab back to the last button in the group.

 

Sometimes I can tab through the entire list of buttons in the group sometimes tabbing once takes me into the list then the next tab takes me out of the list altogether.

 

When I use the forms quick navigation sometimes jaws reads the label then the button value sometimes it doesn’t.

 

I would appreciate any opinions/feelings on what jaws should be doing also if anyone is experiencing anything different with this particular webpage.

 

For those techie types, the page contains a form with a fieldset inside of it. The fieldset has a legend and three input tags inside of it to form the radio group.

 

Thanks in advance,

Donald

 

--
Thanks, Donald

Accessibility, like security, is better when built-in from the beginning rather than bolted on at the end.


Oracle
Donald Raikes | Accessibility Specialist
Mobile: +15202717608 | VOIP: +15205744033
Oracle Accessibility Program Office
| Tucson, Arizona

Green Oracle

Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment

 

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Cristóbal
 

The laptop keyboard layout and the ability to navigate without always having to move your hands back and forth between the arrow keys and alphanumeric part is the main reason why I haven’t switched to NVDA or even given serious thought to using it more. NVDA’s nice and all, but always having to use the arrow keys for line or paragraph navigation etc is a behavior I just can’t get past. There isn’t even an add-on to modify this behavior.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

all of a sudden jaws has become an "allow through UAC program"

joanne
 

This is only when using Jaws 18;19 is fine and works as always. I understand the UAC message comes up when installing or changing something in any program. But Jaws has never presented that "do you want to allow" message simply upon opening it from the desktop. Does anyone know what happened? Should I reinstall or try a repair? I shouldn't have to allow upon opening it every single time, and I wonder if I did something that now brings up UAC?
 
Joanne
 

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

Let us know if it works, or could you do it with a key closer to the insert, assuming you’re talking about the num pad?  I don’t know about remapping, although I understand generally what it is.  I have done it on my Android phone.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Maybe I could remap insert + enter to do the escape function.

Glenn

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

Oh very true, I hadn’t thought of that.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

Maybe I could remap insert + enter to do the escape function.
Glenn

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.
The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.
If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.
Glenn
 

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.
The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.
If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.
Glenn
 

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

Richard Turner
 

For what it is worth, if they changed it, they would know which one it is, right?
So I was addressing the generic question about the default.
Now if someone changed it and forgot what they did, that is another story.
Thanks,


Richard

Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
(Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
www.turner42.com
 

On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:32 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



I’d agree with you, except the “whatever” key is not always the insert key, depending on the layout you choose. Some prefer the capslock key, and I think it is even possible to map it to something else if you want to. Hence, whatever key you have assigned is the “screen-reader” key, and using that terminology avoids the confusion of discussing what would be the wrong key for some users.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: August 1, 2019 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Insert key is the Narrator key, NVDA key and the Jaws key.

They all should just call it the insert key instead of pretending it is their key.

 

Richard

 

Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 

(Sent from the magical iPhone SE)

 



On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Robin <robin-melvin@...> wrote:

 Excuse Me, Which "Key" on the Querty KeyBoard is Microsoft's Narrator "Key"?
At 06:37 AM 8/1/2019, you wrote:

you could always use narrator.
 
 
Explore your keyboard
Input learning tells you what keys you're pressing on your keyboard, and the Narrator command associated with them. Turn on input learning by pressing
Narrator + 1 (the number 1 key). Turn it off by pressing Narrator + 1 twice.May 21, 2019
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
I am not able to install NVDA on my work computer due to it is open source. 
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
hi, forgot to mention,
if you use NVDA, and access the input help, inser+#1, all the keys you mentioned are announce, even, left alt right alt, left windows, left and right ctrl.
 
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io < jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
Well, if you've used the keylearn feature in jaws, insert+#1,
you will have discovered, the only two keys that will give some information when they're pressed are, the tab key, and the capslock key.
the, alt, ctrl, and windows keys no info,
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io < jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
Hi All,
 
When turning keyboard help on.  Is their a way to have JAWS announce the below keys?  I perform keyboard assessments with people and during my assessment I would like to make sure they are pressing the correct key.  Using JAWS 2019 and Windows 10. 
 
Tab
Caps lock
Alt key
Spacebar
Control
Windows key

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

Judy,
With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.
Glenn
 

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

JM Casey
 

I’d agree with you, except the “whatever” key is not always the insert key, depending on the layout you choose. Some prefer the capslock key, and I think it is even possible to map it to something else if you want to. Hence, whatever key you have assigned is the “screen-reader” key, and using that terminology avoids the confusion of discussing what would be the wrong key for some users.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: August 1, 2019 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Insert key is the Narrator key, NVDA key and the Jaws key.

They all should just call it the insert key instead of pretending it is their key.

 

Richard

 

Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 

(Sent from the magical iPhone SE)

 



On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Robin <robin-melvin@...> wrote:

 Excuse Me, Which "Key" on the Querty KeyBoard is Microsoft's Narrator "Key"?
At 06:37 AM 8/1/2019, you wrote:

you could always use narrator.
 
 
Explore your keyboard
Input learning tells you what keys you're pressing on your keyboard, and the Narrator command associated with them. Turn on input learning by pressing
Narrator + 1 (the number 1 key). Turn it off by pressing Narrator + 1 twice.May 21, 2019
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
I am not able to install NVDA on my work computer due to it is open source. 
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
hi, forgot to mention,
if you use NVDA, and access the input help, inser+#1, all the keys you mentioned are announce, even, left alt right alt, left windows, left and right ctrl.
 
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io < jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
Well, if you've used the keylearn feature in jaws, insert+#1,
you will have discovered, the only two keys that will give some information when they're pressed are, the tab key, and the capslock key.
the, alt, ctrl, and windows keys no info,
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io < jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
Hi All,
 
When turning keyboard help on.  Is their a way to have JAWS announce the below keys?  I perform keyboard assessments with people and during my assessment I would like to make sure they are pressing the correct key.  Using JAWS 2019 and Windows 10. 
 
Tab
Caps lock
Alt key
Spacebar
Control
Windows key

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein