|
Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
Oh! Shows how much I know hahaha! Sounds like I had it all backwards. I’ve been so conditioned into thinking it needed a TV. But, when you think of it, We do this all the time with our cell phones or PC or tablet by plugging the speaker into the headphone jack or via Bluetooth. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? If you use the remote for the box, you don't need a TV at all. The remote changes the box, and the TV is just a dumb receiver. Of course there are now smart TVs that will connect to your router and allow you to do netflix and the like, but you can do that without a TV too. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? This is very interesting. So, if you had the cable box, for instance, and a speaker hooked into the box, how would you change the channels? I thought the remote had to interact with the TV, and the box was what brought in the signal. This is good education for me. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? The screen doesn't even need to work to have Jaws work. On desktops, you can unplug the video cable to the monitor and Jaws will still work. It's like a TV, people think that they need a TV to watch TV if they aren't benefiting from a picture. But with cable/satellite boxes, you can plug in speakers and disconnect the TV, or not have a TV at all. If you are using HDMI, your audio may be going to a monitor with speakers though, in which case, you would get the audio through the sound output on the computer. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? If you turn off the laptop monitor. Or have it to turn itself off after a set amount of minutes, will that effect the performance of the screen reader? Or does the screen readers require the monitor to be on to work satisfactorily. I would love to be able to turn off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my desk top monitor. But, should my screen reader not work, when I did this, how would any sighted person assist to turn it back on again. If the Jaws should fail to work. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard. From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop. Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience. People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do? From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Hi Michelle, This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings. When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly! Good Luck! Debby On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote: Hi everyone, I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years. I use a laptop which does not have a numpad. The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop. Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port? Thank you in advance for any assistance. Regards, Michelle Bernstein
|
|
|
Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
Hey Judy,
If you use the remote for the box, you don't need a
TV at all.
The remote changes the box, and the TV is just a
dumb receiver.
Of course there are now smart TVs that will connect
to your router and allow you to do netflix and the like, but you can do that
without a TV too.
Glenn
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a
laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
This
is very interesting.
So,
if you had the cable box, for instance, and a speaker hooked into the box, how
would you change the channels? I thought the remote had to interact with
the TV, and the box was what brought in the signal. This is good education
for me.
Judy
“Embrace
the day with its mercies and blessings.”
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io
[mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn /
Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:16 PM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth
learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a
numpad?
The screen doesn't
even need to work to have Jaws work.
On desktops, you can
unplug the video cable to the monitor and Jaws will still
work.
It's like a TV,
people think that they need a TV to watch TV if they aren't benefiting from a
picture.
But with
cable/satellite boxes, you can plug in speakers and disconnect the TV, or not
have a TV at all.
If you are using
HDMI, your audio may be going to a monitor with speakers though, in which case,
you would get the audio through the sound output on the
computer.
Sent: Thursday, August
01, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is
it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external
keyboard with a numpad?
If you turn off the
laptop monitor. Or have it to turn itself off after a set amount of
minutes, will that effect the performance of the screen reader? Or does
the screen readers require the monitor to be on to work satisfactorily. I
would love to be able to turn off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my
desk top monitor. But, should my screen reader not work, when I did this,
how would any sighted person assist to turn it back on again. If the Jaws
should fail to work.
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August
01, 2019 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users]
Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external
keyboard with a numpad?
Well
what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to
use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard
didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult.
Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only reason I had to use the
laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen
reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their
policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs,
Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So
basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun
at you about carrying around an external keyboard.
From:
jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth
learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with
a numpad?
I
too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo
laptop.
Back
when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size
desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard.
I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the
patience.
People
probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag;
with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna
do?
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io]
On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33
AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject:
Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead
buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
Hi Michelle,
This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are
only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a
desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the
laptop settings.
When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I
also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when
volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two
layouts would have made me go silly!
Good Luck!
Debby
On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...>
wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my
reader for many years.
I use a laptop which does not have a
numpad.
The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to
modify my keystrokes for a laptop.
Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications
or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the
laptop by a USB port?
Thank you in advance for any
assistance.
Regards, Michelle
Bernstein
|
|
|
Jaws Announcing Selected Text
Howdy All,
Running Windows 7 & 10 pro with J16 thru
J2019 latest. When selecting all the text in a text / Notepad file
Jaws used to report how many characters wer selected, but not any
more. What or where do I need to go to find this setting so I can get this
function back? All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks mooy
moocho.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go
dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason
is that somebody screwed up.
|
|
|
Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
This is very interesting. So, if you had the cable box, for instance, and a speaker hooked into the box, how would you change the channels? I thought the remote had to interact with the TV, and the box was what brought in the signal. This is good education for me. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? The screen doesn't even need to work to have Jaws work. On desktops, you can unplug the video cable to the monitor and Jaws will still work. It's like a TV, people think that they need a TV to watch TV if they aren't benefiting from a picture. But with cable/satellite boxes, you can plug in speakers and disconnect the TV, or not have a TV at all. If you are using HDMI, your audio may be going to a monitor with speakers though, in which case, you would get the audio through the sound output on the computer. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? If you turn off the laptop monitor. Or have it to turn itself off after a set amount of minutes, will that effect the performance of the screen reader? Or does the screen readers require the monitor to be on to work satisfactorily. I would love to be able to turn off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my desk top monitor. But, should my screen reader not work, when I did this, how would any sighted person assist to turn it back on again. If the Jaws should fail to work. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard. From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop. Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience. People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do? From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Hi Michelle, This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings. When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly! Good Luck! Debby On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote: Hi everyone, I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years. I use a laptop which does not have a numpad. The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop. Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port? Thank you in advance for any assistance. Regards, Michelle Bernstein
|
|
|
Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
I would just put your power plan so that the PC does nothing when you close the lid, then you don’t have to worry about a monitor adjustment and could use an external PC. I did have a PC where the screen had broken, I didn’t realize it, and was using it all along, but the repair person told me the screen visually was useless. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? If you turn off the laptop monitor. Or have it to turn itself off after a set amount of minutes, will that effect the performance of the screen reader? Or does the screen readers require the monitor to be on to work satisfactorily. I would love to be able to turn off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my desk top monitor. But, should my screen reader not work, when I did this, how would any sighted person assist to turn it back on again. If the Jaws should fail to work. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard. From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop. Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience. People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do? From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Hi Michelle, This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings. When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly! Good Luck! Debby On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote: Hi everyone, I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years. I use a laptop which does not have a numpad. The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop. Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port? Thank you in advance for any assistance. Regards, Michelle Bernstein
|
|
|
When you are on a message, it's selected
already.
You can hold the shift key and arrow through
consecutive messages and move them.
You can search for a bunch and select some or all
of them and move them.
On maximizing, do alt + Space, and X.
I think windows + up arrow maximizes
too.
Glenn
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
How do I select the email that I want to move?
If I am sitting on the email and hit the context key, there is no
move function.
If I hit V, also does nothing.
-Bob
.
From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
Select the messages you want to move, press the context key and choose Move
or press the letter v,. The folders will be displayed so just arrow to the one
where you want the messages.
From: Robert
Ringwald
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:16 AM
To: Jaws
Subject: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
Win 10
Latest Jaws
WLM 12
To move an email to a folder in WLM, I use ctrl shift V. Neither Jaws nor
Window Eyes will read the list of folders.
Any ideas?
Bob
Ringwald
Amateur (ham) radio station
K6YBV
www.ringwald.com
|
|
|
How do I select the email that I want to move?
If I am sitting on the email and hit the context key, there is no
move function.
If I hit V, also does nothing.
-Bob
.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
Select the messages you want to move, press the context key and choose Move
or press the letter v,. The folders will be displayed so just arrow to the one
where you want the messages.
From: Robert
Ringwald
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:16 AM
To: Jaws
Subject: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
Win 10
Latest Jaws
WLM 12
To move an email to a folder in WLM, I use ctrl shift V. Neither Jaws nor
Window Eyes will read the list of folders.
Any ideas?
Bob
Ringwald
Amateur (ham) radio station
K6YBV
www.ringwald.com
|
|
|
I used to know how to maximize a window in WE. But forgot.
How do I DO IT IN jaws?
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
Are your windows maximized?
Or at least the eMail window?
From: Robert
Ringwald
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Jaws
Subject: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
Win 10
Latest Jaws
WLM 12
To move an email to a folder in WLM, I use ctrl shift V. Neither Jaws nor
Window Eyes will read the list of folders.
Any ideas?
|
|
|
Select the messages you want to move, press the context key and choose Move
or press the letter v,. The folders will be displayed so just arrow to the one
where you want the messages.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
From: Robert
Ringwald
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:16 AM
To: Jaws
Subject: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
Win 10
Latest Jaws
WLM 12
To move an email to a folder in WLM, I use ctrl shift V. Neither Jaws nor
Window Eyes will read the list of folders.
Any ideas?
Bob
Ringwald
Amateur (ham) radio station
K6YBV
www.ringwald.com
|
|
|
Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
The screen doesn't even need to work to have Jaws
work.
On desktops, you can unplug the video cable to the
monitor and Jaws will still work.
It's like a TV, people think that they need a TV to
watch TV if they aren't benefiting from a picture.
But with cable/satellite boxes, you can plug in
speakers and disconnect the TV, or not have a TV at all.
If you are using HDMI, your audio may be going to a
monitor with speakers though, in which case, you would get the audio through the
sound output on the computer.
Glenn
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a
laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
If you turn off the laptop monitor. Or have
it to turn itself off after a set amount of minutes, will that effect the
performance of the screen reader? Or does the screen readers require the
monitor to be on to work satisfactorily. I would love to be able to turn
off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my desk top monitor. But,
should my screen reader not work, when I did this, how would any sighted person
assist to turn it back on again. If the Jaws should fail to work.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:10
PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth
learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with
a numpad?
Well
what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to
use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard
didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen
reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only
reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with
getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they
had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the
library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to
deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So
basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun
at you about carrying around an external keyboard.
From:
jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth
learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with
a numpad?
I
too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo
laptop.
Back
when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size
desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard.
I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the
patience.
People
probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag;
with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna
do?
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io]
On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33
AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject:
Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead
buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
Hi Michelle,
This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are
only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a
desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the
laptop settings.
When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I
also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when
volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two
layouts would have made me go silly!
Good Luck!
Debby
On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...>
wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my
reader for many years.
I use a laptop which does not have a
numpad.
The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to
modify my keystrokes for a laptop.
Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications
or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the
laptop by a USB port?
Thank you in advance for any
assistance.
Regards, Michelle
Bernstein
|
|
|
Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
If you turn off the laptop monitor. Or have
it to turn itself off after a set amount of minutes, will that effect the
performance of the screen reader? Or does the screen readers require the
monitor to be on to work satisfactorily. I would love to be able to turn
off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my desk top monitor. But,
should my screen reader not work, when I did this, how would any sighted person
assist to turn it back on again. If the Jaws should fail to work.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:10
PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth
learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with
a numpad?
Well
what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to
use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard
didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen
reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only
reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with
getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they
had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the
library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to
deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So
basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun
at you about carrying around an external keyboard.
From:
jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To:
jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth
learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with
a numpad?
I
too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo
laptop.
Back
when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size
desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard.
I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the
patience.
People
probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag;
with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna
do?
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io]
On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33
AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject:
Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead
buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
Hi Michelle,
This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are
only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a
desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the
laptop settings.
When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I
also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when
volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two
layouts would have made me go silly!
Good Luck!
Debby
On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...>
wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my
reader for many years.
I use a laptop which does not have a
numpad.
The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to
modify my keystrokes for a laptop.
Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications
or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the
laptop by a USB port?
Thank you in advance for any
assistance.
Regards, Michelle
Bernstein
|
|
|
Re: Reading and Acting on Notifications in Windows 10
Hold The windows logo key, and tap the letter a, and this should open your notifications for you. I remember it by opening my alert, versus notifications, if that makes it an easier.
Hi, Folks. How do I check and see if I have any notifications in
Windows 10? I'm using a desktop PC running Windows 10 and the most
current version of JAWS. Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao
|
|
|
Reading and Acting on Notifications in Windows 10
Hi, Folks. How do I check and see if I have any notifications in Windows 10? I'm using a desktop PC running Windows 10 and the most current version of JAWS. Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao
|
|
|
Does anyone know of a software KVM for windows? My hardware KVM is having problems with my wireless keyboard. Tony
|
|
|
Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
I have an external keyboard. When I need to save space, I just put the keyboard onto the laptop. I've got three cheap keyboards. Two at home, and one to carry with me. Thanks, Justin
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 2:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Yep, my husband just got a Thinkpad, same thing, no num pad, no problem, Use caps-lock with numbers 7 or 8 to simulate left or right mouse buttons. Caps-lock p for Jaws cursor, and caps-lock left bracket to root Jaws to PC. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” That is always nice, but sometimes we don't want a laptop that big. Plus that makes for a more expensive laptop. I've gotten to where I can use a 10 inch laptop if I have some dots on a few specific keys. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? No I think the best thing is to get a laptop with a number on it O pooh! Plus, you would want a key combination you could do with one hand. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” I looked in keyboard manager, and I cannot find anything for the escape function, or alt + F4 to add to insert + enter. There's no insert + enter to add alt + F4 to either. There is control + W that I could set to do when doing insert + enter, but that would not close an eMail message. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Let us know if it works, or could you do it with a key closer to the insert, assuming you’re talking about the num pad? I don’t know about remapping, although I understand generally what it is. I have done it on my Android phone. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” Maybe I could remap insert + enter to do the escape function. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating. The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages. If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key. But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think. It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line. Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys. But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad. But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt. I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard. I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop. Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience. People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do? From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Hi Michelle, This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings. When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly! Good Luck! Debby On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote: Hi everyone, I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years. I use a laptop which does not have a numpad. The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop. Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port? Thank you in advance for any assistance. Regards, Michelle Bernstein
|
|
|
Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
Yep, my husband just got a Thinkpad, same thing, no num pad, no problem, Use caps-lock with numbers 7 or 8 to simulate left or right mouse buttons. Caps-lock p for Jaws cursor, and caps-lock left bracket to root Jaws to PC. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? That is always nice, but sometimes we don't want a laptop that big. Plus that makes for a more expensive laptop. I've gotten to where I can use a 10 inch laptop if I have some dots on a few specific keys. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? No I think the best thing is to get a laptop with a number on it O pooh! Plus, you would want a key combination you could do with one hand. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” I looked in keyboard manager, and I cannot find anything for the escape function, or alt + F4 to add to insert + enter. There's no insert + enter to add alt + F4 to either. There is control + W that I could set to do when doing insert + enter, but that would not close an eMail message. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Let us know if it works, or could you do it with a key closer to the insert, assuming you’re talking about the num pad? I don’t know about remapping, although I understand generally what it is. I have done it on my Android phone. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” Maybe I could remap insert + enter to do the escape function. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating. The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages. If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key. But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think. It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line. Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys. But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad. But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt. I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard. I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop. Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience. People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do? From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Hi Michelle, This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings. When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly! Good Luck! Debby On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote: Hi everyone, I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years. I use a laptop which does not have a numpad. The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop. Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port? Thank you in advance for any assistance. Regards, Michelle Bernstein
|
|
|
Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
That is always nice, but sometimes we don't want a
laptop that big.
Plus that makes for a more expensive
laptop.
I've gotten to where I can use a 10 inch laptop if
I have some dots on a few specific keys.
Glenn
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a
laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
No I think the best thing is to get a laptop with a number on
it
O
pooh! Plus, you would want a key combination you could do with one
hand.
Judy
“Embrace
the day with its mercies and blessings.”
I looked in
keyboard manager, and I cannot find anything for the escape function, or alt +
F4 to add to insert + enter.
There's no insert +
enter to add alt + F4 to either.
There is control +
W that I could set to do when doing insert + enter, but that would not close
an eMail message.
Sent: Thursday, August
01, 2019 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users]
Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external
keyboard with a numpad?
Let
us know if it works, or could you do it with a key closer to the insert,
assuming you’re talking about the num pad? I don’t know about remapping,
although I understand generally what it is. I have done it on my Android
phone.
Judy
“Embrace
the day with its mercies and blessings.”
Maybe I could remap
insert + enter to do the escape function.
Sent: Thursday, August
01, 2019 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users]
Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external
keyboard with a numpad?
One handed is good
sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while
eating.
The only thing the
number pad lacks is an escape key when reading
messages.
If there is an
unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map
for escape for it.
Sent: Thursday, August
01, 2019 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users]
Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external
keyboard with a numpad?
Yes,
of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the
num pad insert key. But that laptop layout is great, and my
preferred.
Judy
“Embrace
the day with its mercies and blessings.”
With laptop layout
I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current
line.
Sent: Thursday, August
01, 2019 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users]
Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external
keyboard with a numpad?
Oh
yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might
think.
It
is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the
laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right
there together when wanting to read current line. Otherwise, I mostly
use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I
need are close to the num pad.
Judy
“Embrace
the day with its mercies and blessings.”
I don't know why
anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than
the four arrow keys.
But it does take a
concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around
a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces
between the keys than it was for the number pad.
But it is good for
the brain to learn to adapt.
I'm sure I could
adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had
to.
Sent: Thursday, August
01, 2019 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users]
Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external
keyboard with a numpad?
Well
what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to
use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard
didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult.
Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the
laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen
reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their
policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs,
Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So
basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun
at you about carrying around an external keyboard.
I
too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo
laptop.
Back
when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size
desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard.
I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the
patience.
People
probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag;
with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna
do?
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io]
On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33
AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject:
Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead
buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
Hi Michelle,
This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are
only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a
desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the
laptop settings.
When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I
also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when
volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two
layouts would have made me go silly!
Good Luck!
Debby
On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...>
wrote:
Hi everyone,
I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my
reader for many years.
I use a laptop which does not have a
numpad.
The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to
modify my keystrokes for a laptop.
Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications
or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the
laptop by a USB port?
Thank you in advance for any
assistance.
Regards, Michelle
Bernstein
|
|
|
Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
NVDA’s no slouch and I’m sure some of the issue is simple muscle memory, but truly, I find having to use the arrows for pretty much all of the navigation commands instead of the capslock and letters to avoid having to move around so much to be a deal breaker for me. The thing is, a lot of the commands Jaws uses to navigate by paragraph, line, word etc aren’t even used by NVDA. I think there’s one add-on where it’ll allow you to use the shift and alt keys along with the arrow keys to navigate by sentence, but even then , you still always have to go back and forth between the main keyboard and arrow keys for every little thing. If someone came up with an add-on to mimic these functions, I’d maybe try sticking with NVDA longer, but I guess it’s not that big an issue for a lot of folks since no one’s really addressed it. In the meantime, I’m perfectly happy with Jaws and the flexibility it gives me to use either the numpad or alphanumeric part of the keyboard to do pretty much anything.
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:14 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Yes, NVDA is my backup, too, but I know people who absolutely love it, so I believe it is all in what you get used to. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” I like NVDA, but it is not as intuitive as Jaws, and it will always be a backup screenreader to me. If someone could make a Jaws layout for NVDA, I think it would be more popular, but it may not be possible. Window Eyes did this to their credit. And Microsoft did this long ago for Word users, giving the user the option to use WordPerfect commands. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? The laptop keyboard layout and the ability to navigate without always having to move your hands back and forth between the arrow keys and alphanumeric part is the main reason why I haven’t switched to NVDA or even given serious thought to using it more. NVDA’s nice and all, but always having to use the arrow keys for line or paragraph navigation etc is a behavior I just can’t get past. There isn’t even an add-on to modify this behavior. One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating. The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages. If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key. But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think. It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line. Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys. But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad. But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt. I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard. I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop. Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience. People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do? From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Hi Michelle, This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings. When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly! Good Luck! Debby On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote: Hi everyone, I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years. I use a laptop which does not have a numpad. The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop. Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port? Thank you in advance for any assistance. Regards, Michelle Bernstein
|
|
|
Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?
No I think the best thing is to get a laptop with a number on it
On Aug 1, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Judy Jones < sonshines59@...> wrote: O pooh! Plus, you would want a key combination you could do with one hand. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” I looked in keyboard manager, and I cannot find anything for the escape function, or alt + F4 to add to insert + enter. There's no insert + enter to add alt + F4 to either. There is control + W that I could set to do when doing insert + enter, but that would not close an eMail message. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Let us know if it works, or could you do it with a key closer to the insert, assuming you’re talking about the num pad? I don’t know about remapping, although I understand generally what it is. I have done it on my Android phone. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” Maybe I could remap insert + enter to do the escape function. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating. The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages. If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key. But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think. It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line. Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad. Judy “Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.” I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys. But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad. But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt. I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to. Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard. I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop. Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience. People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do? From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad? Hi Michelle, This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings. When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly! Good Luck! Debby On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote: Hi everyone, I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years. I use a laptop which does not have a numpad. The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop. Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port? Thank you in advance for any assistance. Regards, Michelle Bernstein
|
|
|
Re: all of a sudden jaws has become an "allow through UAC program"
if this was the case i think both versions of jaws would pop up the UAC.
thats why i think the jaws desktop icon properties is set to run as administrator.
then the UAC would pop up every time you load it.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: Byron Stephens
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] all of a sudden jaws has become an "allow through UAC program"
Sounds like a uac sensetivity issue. The farther you have it up it comes up all the more.
----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:55 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] all of a sudden jaws has become an "allow through UAC program"
This is only when using Jaws 18;19 is fine and works as always. I understand the UAC message comes up when installing or changing something in any program. But Jaws has never presented that "do you want to allow" message simply upon opening it from the desktop. Does anyone know what happened? Should I reinstall or try a repair? I shouldn't have to allow upon opening it every single time, and I wonder if I did something that now brings up UAC?
Joanne
|
|
|
