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Re: JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

I didn’t notice; if anything 62 seems a little bit faster, but I’ll concede the difference is probably negligible and possibly imaginary.

As for the reader, it works fine in version 62 for me, but that ctrl-shift-r hotkey never did a thing for me. I would access it from the view menu. However recently I learned that pressing f9 activates the reader view.

BTW, are you talking about the reader view that’s native to firefox, or an add-on? I know Chrome has a reader add-on…..

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Pursley
Sent: September 30, 2018 3:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

 

ESR 60.2.1was more responsive for me than the "regular" version 62.  I got to use both of them because the Reader add on wasn't working for me in the newly upgraded version 60.2.  Version 62 did not work either (with the hot key combo alt control R.so I returned to the ESR which updates a few months behind the "regular" version. of FF.

I have no issues with version ESR 60.2.1 - yet.  Reading the finer print about Reader, I noticed that F9 will actuate it..now all is fine.

Change is good?  Volumes will continue to be written on the subject but change is inevitable despite our opinion of it. 

On 9/30/2018 3:47 PM, Don & Cher wrote:

Thanks- and it was already unchecked. I was remembering that someone posted a message about version 60 vs 62- and that one of them was somewhat better for accessibility. That message is what I was hoping to find and re-read.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

 

Go to the options, privacy and security, and see if the “prevent accessibility services from accessing your browser” box is checked. It should be unchecked.

 

You should be aware though that there is some kind of bug that is causing JAWS 2018 and Firefox 57 and above to hang, particularly on pages with a lot of links. Not sure if this is reproduceable on all systems but it’s certainly the case with my 64-bit Firefox/Windows 10 setup.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: September 29, 2018 5:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

 

I read about this topic recently but could not find anything in the archives. My JAWS is 2018 latest on Win10 latest

and the problem is new with Firefox version

60.2.1esr (64-bit) currently on the esr update channel.

 

JAWS reads page title but nothing else except blank, blank, blank

 

If anyone knows the fix, I’d appreciate it very much.

 

Cher

 

 


Re: JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

Jim Pursley <jim.goodgaia@...>
 

ESR 60.2.1was more responsive for me than the "regular" version 62.  I got to use both of them because the Reader add on wasn't working for me in the newly upgraded version 60.2.  Version 62 did not work either (with the hot key combo alt control R.so I returned to the ESR which updates a few months behind the "regular" version. of FF.

I have no issues with version ESR 60.2.1 - yet.  Reading the finer print about Reader, I noticed that F9 will actuate it..now all is fine.

Change is good?  Volumes will continue to be written on the subject but change is inevitable despite our opinion of it. 

On 9/30/2018 3:47 PM, Don & Cher wrote:

Thanks- and it was already unchecked. I was remembering that someone posted a message about version 60 vs 62- and that one of them was somewhat better for accessibility. That message is what I was hoping to find and re-read.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

 

Go to the options, privacy and security, and see if the “prevent accessibility services from accessing your browser” box is checked. It should be unchecked.

 

You should be aware though that there is some kind of bug that is causing JAWS 2018 and Firefox 57 and above to hang, particularly on pages with a lot of links. Not sure if this is reproduceable on all systems but it’s certainly the case with my 64-bit Firefox/Windows 10 setup.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: September 29, 2018 5:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

 

I read about this topic recently but could not find anything in the archives. My JAWS is 2018 latest on Win10 latest

and the problem is new with Firefox version

60.2.1esr (64-bit) currently on the esr update channel.

 

JAWS reads page title but nothing else except blank, blank, blank

 

If anyone knows the fix, I’d appreciate it very much.

 

Cher

 



Re: JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hey.

 

I got off the ESR channel shortly after it switched to version 60, because there was no point in being there anymore as the only reason I switched to ESR in the first place was that it was still using the code of version 52. I don’t know that 60 and 62 are notably different in this area, but I did use 60 for a short time and experienced the jaws/firefox-related hang/conflict I mentioned earlier. I then switched immediately to the main update channel, and version 62, and did not notice a difference in this area. This problem does not occur with the latest (and possibly older versions as well) version of NVDA, and VFO or whatever they are calling themselves these days have apparently fixed it in JAWS 2019. A pain as I just now finally got jAWS 2018, in part so I could use Firefox with my primary screen-reader. Let’s just say I’m not that pleased with the whole business. However, Firefox is still the best browser imo and I have learned to put up with the hangs. I keep a task manager open all times to restart the browser, and Firefox just picks up right where I left off.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: September 30, 2018 2:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

 

Thanks- and it was already unchecked. I was remembering that someone posted a message about version 60 vs 62- and that one of them was somewhat better for accessibility. That message is what I was hoping to find and re-read.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

 

Go to the options, privacy and security, and see if the “prevent accessibility services from accessing your browser” box is checked. It should be unchecked.

 

You should be aware though that there is some kind of bug that is causing JAWS 2018 and Firefox 57 and above to hang, particularly on pages with a lot of links. Not sure if this is reproduceable on all systems but it’s certainly the case with my 64-bit Firefox/Windows 10 setup.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: September 29, 2018 5:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

 

I read about this topic recently but could not find anything in the archives. My JAWS is 2018 latest on Win10 latest

and the problem is new with Firefox version

60.2.1esr (64-bit) currently on the esr update channel.

 

JAWS reads page title but nothing else except blank, blank, blank

 

If anyone knows the fix, I’d appreciate it very much.

 

Cher

 


Re: JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

HI JM,
 
Wel said and I agree 100%!
Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

So, more and more money to these software vendors.

I’m sorry, and yes I understand the advantages, but this subscription model still sucks for the most part.

 

One should keep an Internet browser up-to-date, certainly. But an Office suite? I think most people just want something that works, not something that constantly needs updating and fixing, and so-called “improvements”.

This is why people switch to stuff like Openoffice and libreOffice.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: September 30, 2018 1:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

No, you have it backwards, If you have the subscription to office 365, and keep your jaws up to date, you won’t be lagging be hind with office, and as jaws is updated to work with new versions of office, you will automatically get them. Remember, there is no value in sticking to older versions of office, or anything really, unless the newer versions are inaccessible. As jaws is updated to work with newer versions of office, they aren’t spending time making sure it works with older versions. This is why, as I use word and outlook a great deal, the annual fee of around $100 to insure my office software is kept up-to-date is a small price to pay.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 1:57 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I’m not claiming to have any special knowledge about this. It’s my understanding, based on that FSCast episode, that because 365 can be updated via the Internet, it will be possible to have JAWS keep pace. By contrast, Office 2016 and 2019 are viewed by MS as stable applications that won’t be updated beyond, presumably, security and other major updates. Anything I’d add beyond this is speculation and opinion. Someone in the middle of choosing between 365 and 2016/2019 probably ought to contact VFO directly rather than drag out this thread the way other threads have been lately. (sorry, I haven’t yet absorbed VFO’s weird new name.)

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

That seems weird and overly complicated to me. You mean those with office 365 will receive JAWS updates that everyone else won’t? or that JAWS itself is going to a 365-like subscription model, which seems to be what I’ve been reading here and elsewhere.

Even so, it looks like the subscription service will only apply to some customers.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

When talking about JAWS 2019 on an FSCast, Eric said 365 would enable JAWS to be updated to match changes in Windows on a regular basis, unlike with non-365 versions of Windows.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Mine says the same thing. I understand with a subscription, the software is automatically updated. I wonder when the update to office 2019 will come through.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 29, 2018 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

For Office 3365, INS+CTRL+V says “Microsoft Outlook Supscription Version 16.0.10730.2008. For my Outlook 2016, it says “Microsoft Retail Version 16…” (I didn’t bother to get all the digits).

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi I have office 365 and I am using outlook 2016.

So how do I then know that I am using the 365 outlook or the outlook 2016 that I have had before making the change to 365?

I have checked under accounts and it says I have 365 but then when will outlook updated to a newer version?

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I have Office 365 and I am not doing anything with the cloud. The software is loaded on my computer (Windows 10) and all of my files that I create and edit are on my hard drive. I have found the only difference is that in Outlook 365 I have to use SHIFT+F6 to get to the folder list, whereas on my work computer that has Outlook 2016, I can still SHIFT+TAB to get into the folder list. Otherwise all the same. I also do not use my Office 365 for much other than e-mail, a few Word documents, and an occasional Excel file.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hey Mike.

 

I hear you on that, and that’s why I got Office 2016 fairly recently as well.

 

I read a couple of FAQs and I’m still slightly mystified. But yeah, you download components of Office 365, but I think it’s smaller than a regular office download, and although I’m not quite sure how the subscription offers work, it is supposed to be cheaper than 2016/2019 as well.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi JM,

 

Thanks much.  I had heard that you can get Office 365 as a downloadable version, hence the query, but I do not want a cloud subscription based program at all.  Thanks again.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Sounds like you want Office 2016 then. Office 365 is supposed to be “cloud-based” and subscription-oriented.

 

I have Office 2016 and it works well – better than Office 2010 did for the most part.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi All,

 

I'm setting up a new Windows 10 Home laptop for my wife.  I would like to get feedback from those that used or know about both Office 2016 & Office 365.  I don't want a subscription but, I want an install version.

 

Would y'all please tell me which would be the best option?  I'm looking at the Home & Student version of either the Office or Office 365 since the program will get very little use.  All input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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Re: JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

Cher
 

Thanks- and it was already unchecked. I was remembering that someone posted a message about version 60 vs 62- and that one of them was somewhat better for accessibility. That message is what I was hoping to find and re-read.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

 

Go to the options, privacy and security, and see if the “prevent accessibility services from accessing your browser” box is checked. It should be unchecked.

 

You should be aware though that there is some kind of bug that is causing JAWS 2018 and Firefox 57 and above to hang, particularly on pages with a lot of links. Not sure if this is reproduceable on all systems but it’s certainly the case with my 64-bit Firefox/Windows 10 setup.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: September 29, 2018 5:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS & Mozilla ESR conflicts

 

I read about this topic recently but could not find anything in the archives. My JAWS is 2018 latest on Win10 latest

and the problem is new with Firefox version

60.2.1esr (64-bit) currently on the esr update channel.

 

JAWS reads page title but nothing else except blank, blank, blank

 

If anyone knows the fix, I’d appreciate it very much.

 

Cher

 


Re: JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

Jim Pursley <jim.goodgaia@...>
 

The two of us in our office have a home sub to Office 365.  The word subscription appears in my JAWS version search, as I would expect.  All of these good things said, in the two months we've had Office 365 we've hardly scratched the surface of the cloud's possibilities, preferring instead to exchange files with one another via Outlook attachment.  We don't collaborate a lot on docs so the attachment method works fine.  I'm happy to hear from Adrian that, as I'd expect, the sub allows our product and JAWS to be updated more in sync than with one time release products. 

We'll eventually be looking into the email archiving and conference calling possibilities with Office 365 but for now we essentially have a slightly souped up version of Office 2016. 

On 9/30/2018 8:38 AM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

When talking about JAWS 2019 on an FSCast, Eric said 365 would enable JAWS to be updated to match changes in Windows on a regular basis, unlike with non-365 versions of Windows.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Mine says the same thing. I understand with a subscription, the software is automatically updated. I wonder when the update to office 2019 will come through.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 29, 2018 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

For Office 3365, INS+CTRL+V says “Microsoft Outlook Supscription Version 16.0.10730.2008. For my Outlook 2016, it says “Microsoft Retail Version 16…” (I didn’t bother to get all the digits).

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi I have office 365 and I am using outlook 2016.

So how do I then know that I am using the 365 outlook or the outlook 2016 that I have had before making the change to 365?

I have checked under accounts and it says I have 365 but then when will outlook updated to a newer version?

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I have Office 365 and I am not doing anything with the cloud. The software is loaded on my computer (Windows 10) and all of my files that I create and edit are on my hard drive. I have found the only difference is that in Outlook 365 I have to use SHIFT+F6 to get to the folder list, whereas on my work computer that has Outlook 2016, I can still SHIFT+TAB to get into the folder list. Otherwise all the same. I also do not use my Office 365 for much other than e-mail, a few Word documents, and an occasional Excel file.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hey Mike.

 

I hear you on that, and that’s why I got Office 2016 fairly recently as well.

 

I read a couple of FAQs and I’m still slightly mystified. But yeah, you download components of Office 365, but I think it’s smaller than a regular office download, and although I’m not quite sure how the subscription offers work, it is supposed to be cheaper than 2016/2019 as well.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi JM,

 

Thanks much.  I had heard that you can get Office 365 as a downloadable version, hence the query, but I do not want a cloud subscription based program at all.  Thanks again.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Sounds like you want Office 2016 then. Office 365 is supposed to be “cloud-based” and subscription-oriented.

 

I have Office 2016 and it works well – better than Office 2010 did for the most part.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi All,

 

I'm setting up a new Windows 10 Home laptop for my wife.  I would like to get feedback from those that used or know about both Office 2016 & Office 365.  I don't want a subscription but, I want an install version.

 

Would y'all please tell me which would be the best option?  I'm looking at the Home & Student version of either the Office or Office 365 since the program will get very little use.  All input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
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Re: JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

sandy
 

amen to that
 
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365
 

So, more and more money to these software vendors.

I’m sorry, and yes I understand the advantages, but this subscription model still sucks for the most part.

 

One should keep an Internet browser up-to-date, certainly. But an Office suite? I think most people just want something that works, not something that constantly needs updating and fixing, and so-called “improvements”.

This is why people switch to stuff like Openoffice and libreOffice.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: September 30, 2018 1:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

No, you have it backwards, If you have the subscription to office 365, and keep your jaws up to date, you won’t be lagging be hind with office, and as jaws is updated to work with new versions of office, you will automatically get them. Remember, there is no value in sticking to older versions of office, or anything really, unless the newer versions are inaccessible. As jaws is updated to work with newer versions of office, they aren’t spending time making sure it works with older versions. This is why, as I use word and outlook a great deal, the annual fee of around $100 to insure my office software is kept up-to-date is a small price to pay.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 1:57 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I’m not claiming to have any special knowledge about this. It’s my understanding, based on that FSCast episode, that because 365 can be updated via the Internet, it will be possible to have JAWS keep pace. By contrast, Office 2016 and 2019 are viewed by MS as stable applications that won’t be updated beyond, presumably, security and other major updates. Anything I’d add beyond this is speculation and opinion. Someone in the middle of choosing between 365 and 2016/2019 probably ought to contact VFO directly rather than drag out this thread the way other threads have been lately. (sorry, I haven’t yet absorbed VFO’s weird new name.)

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

That seems weird and overly complicated to me. You mean those with office 365 will receive JAWS updates that everyone else won’t? or that JAWS itself is going to a 365-like subscription model, which seems to be what I’ve been reading here and elsewhere.

Even so, it looks like the subscription service will only apply to some customers.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

When talking about JAWS 2019 on an FSCast, Eric said 365 would enable JAWS to be updated to match changes in Windows on a regular basis, unlike with non-365 versions of Windows.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Mine says the same thing. I understand with a subscription, the software is automatically updated. I wonder when the update to office 2019 will come through.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 29, 2018 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

For Office 3365, INS+CTRL+V says “Microsoft Outlook Supscription Version 16.0.10730.2008. For my Outlook 2016, it says “Microsoft Retail Version 16…” (I didn’t bother to get all the digits).

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi I have office 365 and I am using outlook 2016.

So how do I then know that I am using the 365 outlook or the outlook 2016 that I have had before making the change to 365?

I have checked under accounts and it says I have 365 but then when will outlook updated to a newer version?

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I have Office 365 and I am not doing anything with the cloud. The software is loaded on my computer (Windows 10) and all of my files that I create and edit are on my hard drive. I have found the only difference is that in Outlook 365 I have to use SHIFT+F6 to get to the folder list, whereas on my work computer that has Outlook 2016, I can still SHIFT+TAB to get into the folder list. Otherwise all the same. I also do not use my Office 365 for much other than e-mail, a few Word documents, and an occasional Excel file.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hey Mike.

 

I hear you on that, and that’s why I got Office 2016 fairly recently as well.

 

I read a couple of FAQs and I’m still slightly mystified. But yeah, you download components of Office 365, but I think it’s smaller than a regular office download, and although I’m not quite sure how the subscription offers work, it is supposed to be cheaper than 2016/2019 as well.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi JM,

 

Thanks much.  I had heard that you can get Office 365 as a downloadable version, hence the query, but I do not want a cloud subscription based program at all.  Thanks again.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Sounds like you want Office 2016 then. Office 365 is supposed to be “cloud-based” and subscription-oriented.

 

I have Office 2016 and it works well – better than Office 2010 did for the most part.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi All,

 

I'm setting up a new Windows 10 Home laptop for my wife.  I would like to get feedback from those that used or know about both Office 2016 & Office 365.  I don't want a subscription but, I want an install version.

 

Would y'all please tell me which would be the best option?  I'm looking at the Home & Student version of either the Office or Office 365 since the program will get very little use.  All input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
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Re: JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

So, more and more money to these software vendors.

I’m sorry, and yes I understand the advantages, but this subscription model still sucks for the most part.

 

One should keep an Internet browser up-to-date, certainly. But an Office suite? I think most people just want something that works, not something that constantly needs updating and fixing, and so-called “improvements”.

This is why people switch to stuff like Openoffice and libreOffice.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: September 30, 2018 1:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

No, you have it backwards, If you have the subscription to office 365, and keep your jaws up to date, you won’t be lagging be hind with office, and as jaws is updated to work with new versions of office, you will automatically get them. Remember, there is no value in sticking to older versions of office, or anything really, unless the newer versions are inaccessible. As jaws is updated to work with newer versions of office, they aren’t spending time making sure it works with older versions. This is why, as I use word and outlook a great deal, the annual fee of around $100 to insure my office software is kept up-to-date is a small price to pay.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 1:57 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I’m not claiming to have any special knowledge about this. It’s my understanding, based on that FSCast episode, that because 365 can be updated via the Internet, it will be possible to have JAWS keep pace. By contrast, Office 2016 and 2019 are viewed by MS as stable applications that won’t be updated beyond, presumably, security and other major updates. Anything I’d add beyond this is speculation and opinion. Someone in the middle of choosing between 365 and 2016/2019 probably ought to contact VFO directly rather than drag out this thread the way other threads have been lately. (sorry, I haven’t yet absorbed VFO’s weird new name.)

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

That seems weird and overly complicated to me. You mean those with office 365 will receive JAWS updates that everyone else won’t? or that JAWS itself is going to a 365-like subscription model, which seems to be what I’ve been reading here and elsewhere.

Even so, it looks like the subscription service will only apply to some customers.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

When talking about JAWS 2019 on an FSCast, Eric said 365 would enable JAWS to be updated to match changes in Windows on a regular basis, unlike with non-365 versions of Windows.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Mine says the same thing. I understand with a subscription, the software is automatically updated. I wonder when the update to office 2019 will come through.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 29, 2018 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

For Office 3365, INS+CTRL+V says “Microsoft Outlook Supscription Version 16.0.10730.2008. For my Outlook 2016, it says “Microsoft Retail Version 16…” (I didn’t bother to get all the digits).

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi I have office 365 and I am using outlook 2016.

So how do I then know that I am using the 365 outlook or the outlook 2016 that I have had before making the change to 365?

I have checked under accounts and it says I have 365 but then when will outlook updated to a newer version?

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I have Office 365 and I am not doing anything with the cloud. The software is loaded on my computer (Windows 10) and all of my files that I create and edit are on my hard drive. I have found the only difference is that in Outlook 365 I have to use SHIFT+F6 to get to the folder list, whereas on my work computer that has Outlook 2016, I can still SHIFT+TAB to get into the folder list. Otherwise all the same. I also do not use my Office 365 for much other than e-mail, a few Word documents, and an occasional Excel file.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hey Mike.

 

I hear you on that, and that’s why I got Office 2016 fairly recently as well.

 

I read a couple of FAQs and I’m still slightly mystified. But yeah, you download components of Office 365, but I think it’s smaller than a regular office download, and although I’m not quite sure how the subscription offers work, it is supposed to be cheaper than 2016/2019 as well.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi JM,

 

Thanks much.  I had heard that you can get Office 365 as a downloadable version, hence the query, but I do not want a cloud subscription based program at all.  Thanks again.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Sounds like you want Office 2016 then. Office 365 is supposed to be “cloud-based” and subscription-oriented.

 

I have Office 2016 and it works well – better than Office 2010 did for the most part.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi All,

 

I'm setting up a new Windows 10 Home laptop for my wife.  I would like to get feedback from those that used or know about both Office 2016 & Office 365.  I don't want a subscription but, I want an install version.

 

Would y'all please tell me which would be the best option?  I'm looking at the Home & Student version of either the Office or Office 365 since the program will get very little use.  All input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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Re: JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

chris judge
 

It has no effect on jaws.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: September 30, 2018 2:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Ok, yes, I don’t listen to the podcasts really. While it’s true that Office 365 can make steady adjustments/theoretical improvements all the time, it also means they can break things more regularly, which does happen from time to time.

I still don’t really get how this is going to affect JAWS directly. I guess we’ll just have to see.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 12:57 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I’m not claiming to have any special knowledge about this. It’s my understanding, based on that FSCast episode, that because 365 can be updated via the Internet, it will be possible to have JAWS keep pace. By contrast, Office 2016 and 2019 are viewed by MS as stable applications that won’t be updated beyond, presumably, security and other major updates. Anything I’d add beyond this is speculation and opinion. Someone in the middle of choosing between 365 and 2016/2019 probably ought to contact VFO directly rather than drag out this thread the way other threads have been lately. (sorry, I haven’t yet absorbed VFO’s weird new name.)

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

That seems weird and overly complicated to me. You mean those with office 365 will receive JAWS updates that everyone else won’t? or that JAWS itself is going to a 365-like subscription model, which seems to be what I’ve been reading here and elsewhere.

Even so, it looks like the subscription service will only apply to some customers.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

When talking about JAWS 2019 on an FSCast, Eric said 365 would enable JAWS to be updated to match changes in Windows on a regular basis, unlike with non-365 versions of Windows.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Mine says the same thing. I understand with a subscription, the software is automatically updated. I wonder when the update to office 2019 will come through.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 29, 2018 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

For Office 3365, INS+CTRL+V says “Microsoft Outlook Supscription Version 16.0.10730.2008. For my Outlook 2016, it says “Microsoft Retail Version 16…” (I didn’t bother to get all the digits).

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi I have office 365 and I am using outlook 2016.

So how do I then know that I am using the 365 outlook or the outlook 2016 that I have had before making the change to 365?

I have checked under accounts and it says I have 365 but then when will outlook updated to a newer version?

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I have Office 365 and I am not doing anything with the cloud. The software is loaded on my computer (Windows 10) and all of my files that I create and edit are on my hard drive. I have found the only difference is that in Outlook 365 I have to use SHIFT+F6 to get to the folder list, whereas on my work computer that has Outlook 2016, I can still SHIFT+TAB to get into the folder list. Otherwise all the same. I also do not use my Office 365 for much other than e-mail, a few Word documents, and an occasional Excel file.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hey Mike.

 

I hear you on that, and that’s why I got Office 2016 fairly recently as well.

 

I read a couple of FAQs and I’m still slightly mystified. But yeah, you download components of Office 365, but I think it’s smaller than a regular office download, and although I’m not quite sure how the subscription offers work, it is supposed to be cheaper than 2016/2019 as well.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi JM,

 

Thanks much.  I had heard that you can get Office 365 as a downloadable version, hence the query, but I do not want a cloud subscription based program at all.  Thanks again.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
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----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Sounds like you want Office 2016 then. Office 365 is supposed to be “cloud-based” and subscription-oriented.

 

I have Office 2016 and it works well – better than Office 2010 did for the most part.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi All,

 

I'm setting up a new Windows 10 Home laptop for my wife.  I would like to get feedback from those that used or know about both Office 2016 & Office 365.  I don't want a subscription but, I want an install version.

 

Would y'all please tell me which would be the best option?  I'm looking at the Home & Student version of either the Office or Office 365 since the program will get very little use.  All input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
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Re: JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

chris judge
 

No, you have it backwards, If you have the subscription to office 365, and keep your jaws up to date, you won’t be lagging be hind with office, and as jaws is updated to work with new versions of office, you will automatically get them. Remember, there is no value in sticking to older versions of office, or anything really, unless the newer versions are inaccessible. As jaws is updated to work with newer versions of office, they aren’t spending time making sure it works with older versions. This is why, as I use word and outlook a great deal, the annual fee of around $100 to insure my office software is kept up-to-date is a small price to pay.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 1:57 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I’m not claiming to have any special knowledge about this. It’s my understanding, based on that FSCast episode, that because 365 can be updated via the Internet, it will be possible to have JAWS keep pace. By contrast, Office 2016 and 2019 are viewed by MS as stable applications that won’t be updated beyond, presumably, security and other major updates. Anything I’d add beyond this is speculation and opinion. Someone in the middle of choosing between 365 and 2016/2019 probably ought to contact VFO directly rather than drag out this thread the way other threads have been lately. (sorry, I haven’t yet absorbed VFO’s weird new name.)

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

That seems weird and overly complicated to me. You mean those with office 365 will receive JAWS updates that everyone else won’t? or that JAWS itself is going to a 365-like subscription model, which seems to be what I’ve been reading here and elsewhere.

Even so, it looks like the subscription service will only apply to some customers.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

When talking about JAWS 2019 on an FSCast, Eric said 365 would enable JAWS to be updated to match changes in Windows on a regular basis, unlike with non-365 versions of Windows.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Mine says the same thing. I understand with a subscription, the software is automatically updated. I wonder when the update to office 2019 will come through.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 29, 2018 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

For Office 3365, INS+CTRL+V says “Microsoft Outlook Supscription Version 16.0.10730.2008. For my Outlook 2016, it says “Microsoft Retail Version 16…” (I didn’t bother to get all the digits).

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi I have office 365 and I am using outlook 2016.

So how do I then know that I am using the 365 outlook or the outlook 2016 that I have had before making the change to 365?

I have checked under accounts and it says I have 365 but then when will outlook updated to a newer version?

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I have Office 365 and I am not doing anything with the cloud. The software is loaded on my computer (Windows 10) and all of my files that I create and edit are on my hard drive. I have found the only difference is that in Outlook 365 I have to use SHIFT+F6 to get to the folder list, whereas on my work computer that has Outlook 2016, I can still SHIFT+TAB to get into the folder list. Otherwise all the same. I also do not use my Office 365 for much other than e-mail, a few Word documents, and an occasional Excel file.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hey Mike.

 

I hear you on that, and that’s why I got Office 2016 fairly recently as well.

 

I read a couple of FAQs and I’m still slightly mystified. But yeah, you download components of Office 365, but I think it’s smaller than a regular office download, and although I’m not quite sure how the subscription offers work, it is supposed to be cheaper than 2016/2019 as well.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi JM,

 

Thanks much.  I had heard that you can get Office 365 as a downloadable version, hence the query, but I do not want a cloud subscription based program at all.  Thanks again.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Sounds like you want Office 2016 then. Office 365 is supposed to be “cloud-based” and subscription-oriented.

 

I have Office 2016 and it works well – better than Office 2010 did for the most part.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi All,

 

I'm setting up a new Windows 10 Home laptop for my wife.  I would like to get feedback from those that used or know about both Office 2016 & Office 365.  I don't want a subscription but, I want an install version.

 

Would y'all please tell me which would be the best option?  I'm looking at the Home & Student version of either the Office or Office 365 since the program will get very little use.  All input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Ok, yes, I don’t listen to the podcasts really. While it’s true that Office 365 can make steady adjustments/theoretical improvements all the time, it also means they can break things more regularly, which does happen from time to time.

I still don’t really get how this is going to affect JAWS directly. I guess we’ll just have to see.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 12:57 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I’m not claiming to have any special knowledge about this. It’s my understanding, based on that FSCast episode, that because 365 can be updated via the Internet, it will be possible to have JAWS keep pace. By contrast, Office 2016 and 2019 are viewed by MS as stable applications that won’t be updated beyond, presumably, security and other major updates. Anything I’d add beyond this is speculation and opinion. Someone in the middle of choosing between 365 and 2016/2019 probably ought to contact VFO directly rather than drag out this thread the way other threads have been lately. (sorry, I haven’t yet absorbed VFO’s weird new name.)

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

That seems weird and overly complicated to me. You mean those with office 365 will receive JAWS updates that everyone else won’t? or that JAWS itself is going to a 365-like subscription model, which seems to be what I’ve been reading here and elsewhere.

Even so, it looks like the subscription service will only apply to some customers.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

When talking about JAWS 2019 on an FSCast, Eric said 365 would enable JAWS to be updated to match changes in Windows on a regular basis, unlike with non-365 versions of Windows.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Mine says the same thing. I understand with a subscription, the software is automatically updated. I wonder when the update to office 2019 will come through.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 29, 2018 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

For Office 3365, INS+CTRL+V says “Microsoft Outlook Supscription Version 16.0.10730.2008. For my Outlook 2016, it says “Microsoft Retail Version 16…” (I didn’t bother to get all the digits).

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi I have office 365 and I am using outlook 2016.

So how do I then know that I am using the 365 outlook or the outlook 2016 that I have had before making the change to 365?

I have checked under accounts and it says I have 365 but then when will outlook updated to a newer version?

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I have Office 365 and I am not doing anything with the cloud. The software is loaded on my computer (Windows 10) and all of my files that I create and edit are on my hard drive. I have found the only difference is that in Outlook 365 I have to use SHIFT+F6 to get to the folder list, whereas on my work computer that has Outlook 2016, I can still SHIFT+TAB to get into the folder list. Otherwise all the same. I also do not use my Office 365 for much other than e-mail, a few Word documents, and an occasional Excel file.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hey Mike.

 

I hear you on that, and that’s why I got Office 2016 fairly recently as well.

 

I read a couple of FAQs and I’m still slightly mystified. But yeah, you download components of Office 365, but I think it’s smaller than a regular office download, and although I’m not quite sure how the subscription offers work, it is supposed to be cheaper than 2016/2019 as well.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi JM,

 

Thanks much.  I had heard that you can get Office 365 as a downloadable version, hence the query, but I do not want a cloud subscription based program at all.  Thanks again.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Sounds like you want Office 2016 then. Office 365 is supposed to be “cloud-based” and subscription-oriented.

 

I have Office 2016 and it works well – better than Office 2010 did for the most part.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi All,

 

I'm setting up a new Windows 10 Home laptop for my wife.  I would like to get feedback from those that used or know about both Office 2016 & Office 365.  I don't want a subscription but, I want an install version.

 

Would y'all please tell me which would be the best option?  I'm looking at the Home & Student version of either the Office or Office 365 since the program will get very little use.  All input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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Re: Computer with credit card reader.

ely.r@...
 

Davie,

Thanks you. Sorry you have to do this on a day of rest.

Rick

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 9:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Computer with credit card reader.

 

If memory serves Rick asked this go off list, and I am certain that my short term recall is still working properly. I have not gone in to find out how to stop a thread from moving further, but I guess I am going to have to do that on a Sunday.

 

From: Shane Hecker

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:02 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Computer with credit card reader.

 

So long as the card has a magnetic strip you should be able to scan it. As far as I know, most if not all still do have that strip.

 

Shane

 

On 9/29/2018 8:56 AM, Justin Williams wrote:

Oh, it doen’s work with the chips.  Can you still scan a creditcard that has a chip?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shane Hecker
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:55 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Computer with credit card reader.

 

I picked it up from amazon. It does not work with the chips. It's the old fashion type. Magtek makes it. It's got a scanner on both sides so  it doesn't matter which  way the card goes through.

 

Shane

 

On 9/29/2018 4:19 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote:

Shane, this is great information. Where did you get the credit card reader you mentioned in your e-mail?

Does it work with newer cards with chips in them?

 

Thanks. John

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Computer with credit card reader.

 

Shane, this is perfect information.

 

I took a job interview today, and, should I get the job, this would be one of my duties.  I am certainly going to keep your informational e-mail to work with.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shane Hecker
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Computer with credit card reader.

 

What type of card reader are we talking about? Is it something about half a hand width or is it one of those jobs with the chip, touch screen, and keypad? I've got the half hand width job and it is accessible. You plug it in via USB and it basically acts like a keyboard. And here's why I have one.
When I get a new credit card, I want 3 things off of it. I'm looking for the card number, expiration date, and name on the card. One item I know, the other 2 I don't. So I plug the card reader into an available USB port, pop open notepad, then scan the card. Something like this pops up after the card is scanned.
%B3820194571100334%Smush, Bubba R%1225%83295021113556
The %B designates this as a bank,  the numbers after that is usually the credit card number. Then there is a percent sign followed by last name, first name, then middle initial if present. After the next percent sign is the expiration date, in this case 12/2025. The rest is numbers which probably have meaning to the bank, but not to you or me.
All  that to say that they most certainly can be accessible. I'd be more concerned about the software used to run the thing. Is it a web interface or proprietary software developed by the business for their specialty? If it's a web interface, who are they using as their credit card processor? Is  the card processor's web site accessible?
If proprietary software is being used, has anyone looked at it to see if it will work with Jaws, or any other screen reader? If not, is the business open to having someone evaluate the software? Are they open to making some changes if need be?
Lots of questions here but you need these answers in order to make an informed decision. Hope this helps.

Shane

On 9/28/2018 6:28 PM, Judy Jones wrote:

Hello, Folks,

 

I went for a job interview, where they stated I would have to take credit card transactions via a card reader from the PC.  The PC is running Windows 10, but I don’t know the card reader.

 

Has anyone experienced using anything similar, and would like to hear pros and cons, accessible or not, etc.

 

Thanks very much.

 

BTW, the only programs I would have to work in are Outlook and Skype for contacting other departments.

 

Thanks.

 

Judy

 

 

 

 


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Re: JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

Adrian Spratt
 

Hi, Rebecca. I tried out this suggestion, but I didn’t find it helpful. I do appreciate your effort to look into it. However, there is something you might know the answer to. You made a reference recently to “suggested contacts.” Have you merged your suggested contacts with your contacts list? If so, how did you do it? I’ll keep in mind that we have different versions of Outlook.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 10:23 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

 

Adrian,

I have 2010, so can’t test these instructions that I found from Microsoft.  My 2010 just says card view when I go to contacts and I can right arrow through the list to view names.

Here’s what Microsoft said in answer to a question.  I hope it’s helpful.

Rebecca

Outlook 2016 Contacts Default View

How do you set the default view for Contacts in Outlook 2016? I have a user who is used to the Business Card view, but there isn't any obvious way to make

that the default view. He has to click the Business Card icon in the View section of the ribbon every time. There isn't any obvious way to set Business

Cards as the default view. 

Last updated September 25, 2018Views 2,981Applies to:

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list end

 

Hello,

 

Each Outlook folder, such as Inbox and Calendar, displays the items in a layout called a View. Each folder has several predefined views that you can choose

from, or you can create custom views. Please follow the steps below on how to change the Contacts default view in Outlook. Kindly confirm if the steps

will work on your end:

 

list of 5 items

1. Click Address Book.

2. In the address book, click the Tools menu and then click Options to load the addressing options.

3. Select Start with contact folders or select Custom and rearrange the order of contacts as required.

4. Use the pull-down menu to select the contact list that you want to be displayed as the default when the address book is opened.

5. Click OK.

list end

 

If it doesn't work, click public contact folder, click View > Change View > Manage Views. In Manage All Views window, click Business Card > Apply View.

 

Let us know if the suggested steps will help resolve the issue.

 

Thank you.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 9:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

 

Dave,

 

Thanks for your detailed response, and again to Robert and Jorge. I should figure out how to isolate entries to a line, as Robert and you suggest can be done.

 

Meanwhile, I continued working with Jorge’s suggestions and developed the following method, in case anyone is interested. Again, I’m have Outlook 2016.

 

Open the contacts list.

Select all, then copy and paste the result to Word.

Go through the Word list for outdated entries, errors and duplications.

Each time a change is required, alt-tab to the Outlook contacts list.

Locate the entry.

Here’s where the alt-enter properties command helps. On my system, more than one contact can appear on a line. However, when I press alt-enter, one contact is isolated.

Press escape to get out of properties. The entry remains on a single line.

Press the applications key, arrow down to “Edit,” press enter and then tab to make any corrections.

Press escape and press enter on the “save” confirm button.

There’s no need to go through this dialog if the entry just needs deleting. In that case once the entry is separated on its own line, press the delete key.

 

Once I finished making revisions, I pressed control-1 on the number row to return to the folders list, then pressed control-3 to go back into contacts. I selected all again, and pasted the new copy into Word. Now I have a text copy I can refer to in the future. It’s three pages shorter than its predecessor. I love getting rid of needless stuff.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 8:59 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

 

Adrian,

 

Using Outlook 2007 here. The only view I found easy to use is the "Detailed Address List". I've customized that view so that I have the information on a single line, and with the most relevant showing (name, address, phone, email). I doubt that editing in Notepad and pasting will work. The entry/edit process uses a pop up dialog that you need to tab through.

 

Having said that, you can export your contacts to a MS-Excel 97 format file and I suspect you can do a lot of faster editing there. Keep only those contacts that you actually change and save the Excel file. Then use the "import from a file" function to bring those changed items back. I suggest you select "allow duplicates" or some of those changes may not import, depending on what parts you change. Then in your contacts list, just delete the older versions of the contacts.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 07:08

Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

 

I find the contacts list in Outlook hard to read and edit with JAWS. I just now experimented by making a copy of the entire Outlook contacts folder and pasting it into Notepad. Now I can read it easily, and I see it needs some editing.

 

Here’s my question: Can I copy a Notepad file with my revised contacts list into Outlook’s contact folder? Will it completely replace Outlook’s existing folder, and if so, will Outlook work with it?

 

Thanks.


Re: JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

Adrian Spratt
 

I’m not claiming to have any special knowledge about this. It’s my understanding, based on that FSCast episode, that because 365 can be updated via the Internet, it will be possible to have JAWS keep pace. By contrast, Office 2016 and 2019 are viewed by MS as stable applications that won’t be updated beyond, presumably, security and other major updates. Anything I’d add beyond this is speculation and opinion. Someone in the middle of choosing between 365 and 2016/2019 probably ought to contact VFO directly rather than drag out this thread the way other threads have been lately. (sorry, I haven’t yet absorbed VFO’s weird new name.)

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

That seems weird and overly complicated to me. You mean those with office 365 will receive JAWS updates that everyone else won’t? or that JAWS itself is going to a 365-like subscription model, which seems to be what I’ve been reading here and elsewhere.

Even so, it looks like the subscription service will only apply to some customers.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

When talking about JAWS 2019 on an FSCast, Eric said 365 would enable JAWS to be updated to match changes in Windows on a regular basis, unlike with non-365 versions of Windows.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Mine says the same thing. I understand with a subscription, the software is automatically updated. I wonder when the update to office 2019 will come through.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 29, 2018 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

For Office 3365, INS+CTRL+V says “Microsoft Outlook Supscription Version 16.0.10730.2008. For my Outlook 2016, it says “Microsoft Retail Version 16…” (I didn’t bother to get all the digits).

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi I have office 365 and I am using outlook 2016.

So how do I then know that I am using the 365 outlook or the outlook 2016 that I have had before making the change to 365?

I have checked under accounts and it says I have 365 but then when will outlook updated to a newer version?

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I have Office 365 and I am not doing anything with the cloud. The software is loaded on my computer (Windows 10) and all of my files that I create and edit are on my hard drive. I have found the only difference is that in Outlook 365 I have to use SHIFT+F6 to get to the folder list, whereas on my work computer that has Outlook 2016, I can still SHIFT+TAB to get into the folder list. Otherwise all the same. I also do not use my Office 365 for much other than e-mail, a few Word documents, and an occasional Excel file.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hey Mike.

 

I hear you on that, and that’s why I got Office 2016 fairly recently as well.

 

I read a couple of FAQs and I’m still slightly mystified. But yeah, you download components of Office 365, but I think it’s smaller than a regular office download, and although I’m not quite sure how the subscription offers work, it is supposed to be cheaper than 2016/2019 as well.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi JM,

 

Thanks much.  I had heard that you can get Office 365 as a downloadable version, hence the query, but I do not want a cloud subscription based program at all.  Thanks again.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
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----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Sounds like you want Office 2016 then. Office 365 is supposed to be “cloud-based” and subscription-oriented.

 

I have Office 2016 and it works well – better than Office 2010 did for the most part.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi All,

 

I'm setting up a new Windows 10 Home laptop for my wife.  I would like to get feedback from those that used or know about both Office 2016 & Office 365.  I don't want a subscription but, I want an install version.

 

Would y'all please tell me which would be the best option?  I'm looking at the Home & Student version of either the Office or Office 365 since the program will get very little use.  All input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

That seems weird and overly complicated to me. You mean those with office 365 will receive JAWS updates that everyone else won’t? or that JAWS itself is going to a 365-like subscription model, which seems to be what I’ve been reading here and elsewhere.

Even so, it looks like the subscription service will only apply to some customers.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: September 30, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

When talking about JAWS 2019 on an FSCast, Eric said 365 would enable JAWS to be updated to match changes in Windows on a regular basis, unlike with non-365 versions of Windows.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Mine says the same thing. I understand with a subscription, the software is automatically updated. I wonder when the update to office 2019 will come through.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 29, 2018 7:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

For Office 3365, INS+CTRL+V says “Microsoft Outlook Supscription Version 16.0.10730.2008. For my Outlook 2016, it says “Microsoft Retail Version 16…” (I didn’t bother to get all the digits).

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi I have office 365 and I am using outlook 2016.

So how do I then know that I am using the 365 outlook or the outlook 2016 that I have had before making the change to 365?

I have checked under accounts and it says I have 365 but then when will outlook updated to a newer version?

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

I have Office 365 and I am not doing anything with the cloud. The software is loaded on my computer (Windows 10) and all of my files that I create and edit are on my hard drive. I have found the only difference is that in Outlook 365 I have to use SHIFT+F6 to get to the folder list, whereas on my work computer that has Outlook 2016, I can still SHIFT+TAB to get into the folder list. Otherwise all the same. I also do not use my Office 365 for much other than e-mail, a few Word documents, and an occasional Excel file.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hey Mike.

 

I hear you on that, and that’s why I got Office 2016 fairly recently as well.

 

I read a couple of FAQs and I’m still slightly mystified. But yeah, you download components of Office 365, but I think it’s smaller than a regular office download, and although I’m not quite sure how the subscription offers work, it is supposed to be cheaper than 2016/2019 as well.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi JM,

 

Thanks much.  I had heard that you can get Office 365 as a downloadable version, hence the query, but I do not want a cloud subscription based program at all.  Thanks again.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Sounds like you want Office 2016 then. Office 365 is supposed to be “cloud-based” and subscription-oriented.

 

I have Office 2016 and it works well – better than Office 2010 did for the most part.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: September 29, 2018 2:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS vs Office 2016 / Office 365

 

Hi All,

 

I'm setting up a new Windows 10 Home laptop for my wife.  I would like to get feedback from those that used or know about both Office 2016 & Office 365.  I don't want a subscription but, I want an install version.

 

Would y'all please tell me which would be the best option?  I'm looking at the Home & Student version of either the Office or Office 365 since the program will get very little use.  All input will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.


Re: JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

Rebecca Lineberger
 

Adrian,

I have 2010, so can’t test these instructions that I found from Microsoft.  My 2010 just says card view when I go to contacts and I can right arrow through the list to view names.

Here’s what Microsoft said in answer to a question.  I hope it’s helpful.

Rebecca

Outlook 2016 Contacts Default View

How do you set the default view for Contacts in Outlook 2016? I have a user who is used to the Business Card view, but there isn't any obvious way to make

that the default view. He has to click the Business Card icon in the View section of the ribbon every time. There isn't any obvious way to set Business

Cards as the default view. 

Last updated September 25, 2018Views 2,981Applies to:

Replies (2) 

Anna Bon

Replied on Date

list of 2 items

Microsoft Agent|

Moderator

list end

 

Hello,

 

Each Outlook folder, such as Inbox and Calendar, displays the items in a layout called a View. Each folder has several predefined views that you can choose

from, or you can create custom views. Please follow the steps below on how to change the Contacts default view in Outlook. Kindly confirm if the steps

will work on your end:

 

list of 5 items

1. Click Address Book.

2. In the address book, click the Tools menu and then click Options to load the addressing options.

3. Select Start with contact folders or select Custom and rearrange the order of contacts as required.

4. Use the pull-down menu to select the contact list that you want to be displayed as the default when the address book is opened.

5. Click OK.

list end

 

If it doesn't work, click public contact folder, click View > Change View > Manage Views. In Manage All Views window, click Business Card > Apply View.

 

Let us know if the suggested steps will help resolve the issue.

 

Thank you.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 9:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

 

Dave,

 

Thanks for your detailed response, and again to Robert and Jorge. I should figure out how to isolate entries to a line, as Robert and you suggest can be done.

 

Meanwhile, I continued working with Jorge’s suggestions and developed the following method, in case anyone is interested. Again, I’m have Outlook 2016.

 

Open the contacts list.

Select all, then copy and paste the result to Word.

Go through the Word list for outdated entries, errors and duplications.

Each time a change is required, alt-tab to the Outlook contacts list.

Locate the entry.

Here’s where the alt-enter properties command helps. On my system, more than one contact can appear on a line. However, when I press alt-enter, one contact is isolated.

Press escape to get out of properties. The entry remains on a single line.

Press the applications key, arrow down to “Edit,” press enter and then tab to make any corrections.

Press escape and press enter on the “save” confirm button.

There’s no need to go through this dialog if the entry just needs deleting. In that case once the entry is separated on its own line, press the delete key.

 

Once I finished making revisions, I pressed control-1 on the number row to return to the folders list, then pressed control-3 to go back into contacts. I selected all again, and pasted the new copy into Word. Now I have a text copy I can refer to in the future. It’s three pages shorter than its predecessor. I love getting rid of needless stuff.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 8:59 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

 

Adrian,

 

Using Outlook 2007 here. The only view I found easy to use is the "Detailed Address List". I've customized that view so that I have the information on a single line, and with the most relevant showing (name, address, phone, email). I doubt that editing in Notepad and pasting will work. The entry/edit process uses a pop up dialog that you need to tab through.

 

Having said that, you can export your contacts to a MS-Excel 97 format file and I suspect you can do a lot of faster editing there. Keep only those contacts that you actually change and save the Excel file. Then use the "import from a file" function to bring those changed items back. I suggest you select "allow duplicates" or some of those changes may not import, depending on what parts you change. Then in your contacts list, just delete the older versions of the contacts.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 07:08

Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

 

I find the contacts list in Outlook hard to read and edit with JAWS. I just now experimented by making a copy of the entire Outlook contacts folder and pasting it into Notepad. Now I can read it easily, and I see it needs some editing.

 

Here’s my question: Can I copy a Notepad file with my revised contacts list into Outlook’s contact folder? Will it completely replace Outlook’s existing folder, and if so, will Outlook work with it?

 

Thanks.


Re: Saving Email Messages in Outlook 2016

Dan Kerstetter
 

With the message open you can press f12 and you’ll get a save as dialog.

 

HTH

 

Dan K

 

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From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of michele thredgold
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Saving Email Messages in Outlook 2016

 

Thanks, Glen and everyone.  It seems that there is no keyboard shortcut for this.  Bummer!

ichele

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, 17 September 2018 10:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Saving Email Messages in Outlook 2016

 

Hi,

You need to do this with the message still open.

So under File, you go to save, or the old control + S should work when you have the message open.

HTH.

Glenn

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Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:45 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Saving Email Messages in Outlook 2016

 

Hi all.  Can anybody give me simple instructions on how to do this?  I can save attachments but don’t know the steps vfor saving messages outside the acturl program itself – say, in Documents.

 

Thanks, in advance, for any assistance.

 

Michele             


Re: Computer with credit card reader.

David Ferrin
 

If memory serves Rick asked this go off list, and I am certain that my short term recall is still working properly. I have not gone in to find out how to stop a thread from moving further, but I guess I am going to have to do that on a Sunday.
 
From: Shane Hecker
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Computer with credit card reader.
 

So long as the card has a magnetic strip you should be able to scan it. As far as I know, most if not all still do have that strip.

 

Shane


On 9/29/2018 8:56 AM, Justin Williams wrote:

Oh, it doen’s work with the chips.  Can you still scan a creditcard that has a chip?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shane Hecker
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:55 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Computer with credit card reader.

 

I picked it up from amazon. It does not work with the chips. It's the old fashion type. Magtek makes it. It's got a scanner on both sides so  it doesn't matter which  way the card goes through.

 

Shane

 

On 9/29/2018 4:19 AM, JOHN RIEHL wrote:

Shane, this is great information. Where did you get the credit card reader you mentioned in your e-mail?

Does it work with newer cards with chips in them?

 

Thanks. John

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Computer with credit card reader.

 

Shane, this is perfect information.

 

I took a job interview today, and, should I get the job, this would be one of my duties.  I am certainly going to keep your informational e-mail to work with.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Shane Hecker
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 10:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Computer with credit card reader.

 

What type of card reader are we talking about? Is it something about half a hand width or is it one of those jobs with the chip, touch screen, and keypad? I've got the half hand width job and it is accessible. You plug it in via USB and it basically acts like a keyboard. And here's why I have one.
When I get a new credit card, I want 3 things off of it. I'm looking for the card number, expiration date, and name on the card. One item I know, the other 2 I don't. So I plug the card reader into an available USB port, pop open notepad, then scan the card. Something like this pops up after the card is scanned.
%B3820194571100334%Smush, Bubba R%1225%83295021113556
The %B designates this as a bank,  the numbers after that is usually the credit card number. Then there is a percent sign followed by last name, first name, then middle initial if present. After the next percent sign is the expiration date, in this case 12/2025. The rest is numbers which probably have meaning to the bank, but not to you or me.
All  that to say that they most certainly can be accessible. I'd be more concerned about the software used to run the thing. Is it a web interface or proprietary software developed by the business for their specialty? If it's a web interface, who are they using as their credit card processor? Is  the card processor's web site accessible?
If proprietary software is being used, has anyone looked at it to see if it will work with Jaws, or any other screen reader? If not, is the business open to having someone evaluate the software? Are they open to making some changes if need be?
Lots of questions here but you need these answers in order to make an informed decision. Hope this helps.

Shane

On 9/28/2018 6:28 PM, Judy Jones wrote:

Hello, Folks,

 

I went for a job interview, where they stated I would have to take credit card transactions via a card reader from the PC.  The PC is running Windows 10, but I don’t know the card reader.

 

Has anyone experienced using anything similar, and would like to hear pros and cons, accessible or not, etc.

 

Thanks very much.

 

BTW, the only programs I would have to work in are Outlook and Skype for contacting other departments.

 

Thanks.

 

Judy

 

 

 



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Re: JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

Adrian Spratt
 

Dave,

 

Thanks for your detailed response, and again to Robert and Jorge. I should figure out how to isolate entries to a line, as Robert and you suggest can be done.

 

Meanwhile, I continued working with Jorge’s suggestions and developed the following method, in case anyone is interested. Again, I’m have Outlook 2016.

 

Open the contacts list.

Select all, then copy and paste the result to Word.

Go through the Word list for outdated entries, errors and duplications.

Each time a change is required, alt-tab to the Outlook contacts list.

Locate the entry.

Here’s where the alt-enter properties command helps. On my system, more than one contact can appear on a line. However, when I press alt-enter, one contact is isolated.

Press escape to get out of properties. The entry remains on a single line.

Press the applications key, arrow down to “Edit,” press enter and then tab to make any corrections.

Press escape and press enter on the “save” confirm button.

There’s no need to go through this dialog if the entry just needs deleting. In that case once the entry is separated on its own line, press the delete key.

 

Once I finished making revisions, I pressed control-1 on the number row to return to the folders list, then pressed control-3 to go back into contacts. I selected all again, and pasted the new copy into Word. Now I have a text copy I can refer to in the future. It’s three pages shorter than its predecessor. I love getting rid of needless stuff.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 8:59 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

 

Adrian,

 

Using Outlook 2007 here. The only view I found easy to use is the "Detailed Address List". I've customized that view so that I have the information on a single line, and with the most relevant showing (name, address, phone, email). I doubt that editing in Notepad and pasting will work. The entry/edit process uses a pop up dialog that you need to tab through.

 

Having said that, you can export your contacts to a MS-Excel 97 format file and I suspect you can do a lot of faster editing there. Keep only those contacts that you actually change and save the Excel file. Then use the "import from a file" function to bring those changed items back. I suggest you select "allow duplicates" or some of those changes may not import, depending on what parts you change. Then in your contacts list, just delete the older versions of the contacts.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 07:08

Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS and Outlook 2016 contacts folder

 

I find the contacts list in Outlook hard to read and edit with JAWS. I just now experimented by making a copy of the entire Outlook contacts folder and pasting it into Notepad. Now I can read it easily, and I see it needs some editing.

 

Here’s my question: Can I copy a Notepad file with my revised contacts list into Outlook’s contact folder? Will it completely replace Outlook’s existing folder, and if so, will Outlook work with it?

 

Thanks.


access web page fixed

Lenny McHugh <LennyMcHugh@...>
 

This was quite interesting. My last update was early July also when I was having go daddy move my site to the more secure linux hosting site. At that time they had both sites one on each server. I did my last update on the old server before they migrated the page. I was working with a tech during this process. After it was moved and turned on I was to make sure that all content was there. What I did not realize is  he changed my user name. If he told me I do not remember. Anyway the user name that I used was my email address the new one that he created is my name at lennymchugh.com
So all is ok now. No problems with filezilla

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