Hi.

When you receive a prompt and all you hear are the corresponding buttons does virtualizing the current window with insert-alt-W help with reading the other text?

Hi David.

 

Yes, I do use tab and shift-tab a lot in th is programme. It’s far from my favourite way to go about things, but it *mostly* works. Sometimes, though, pressing the various buttons seems to give no feedback at all. For example, yesterday I did a scan and found several items to be quarantined. I wanted to export the report to a file so I could read it more thoroughly, but the expected dialogue box simply did not appear, or, more probably, simply wasn’t read. When I did quarantine the items, I was presented with a dialogue with “yes” and “no” options, but nothing I was able to do showed me what else was in the dialogue, IE “click yes to restart your pC now” / “malwarebytes has made changes that require a restart”. I had to guess that that’s what it was, since, you know, it’s the logical next step after making the changes to the registry. But it was a frustrating moment, not being able to read that text, either by using insert-b, the jaws or touch cursor, etc.

 

Still, I wouldn’t give up this programme; malwarebytes is totally invaluable.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: August 17, 2019 11:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

When using MalwareBytes the tab and shift-tab keys are your friends. Navigating with tab moves from one item to the next. Normally, the tab key is used to move to what we call actionable items, meaning that you move to things that you can interact with, such as a button, edit field, combo box, etc. MalwareBytes does this but it also uses the tab and shift-tab keys to move to text which is informational only. On a Web site this is something that I would normally flag as a violation because it could prove to be frustrating for keyboard-only users, even those users who aren't using screen readers. However, with MalwareBytes it seems to work and pressing tab or shift-tab is the secret to successfully navigate the program. As an example, while you are performing a scan the tab key moves to items, such as the number of items which have been scanned, the number of threats which were detected, etc.

The tab which is currently selected no longer identifies its state, an issue which I reported to them a while back. As an example, if the Scan tab has been selected you should, ideally, hear JAWS say "scan tab, selected" but the word "selected" is not announced.

 

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified: 2019 WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 8/16/2019 3:15 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I recommend persevering with malwarebytes despite a somewhat annoying interface. It’s certainly usable, if not the most accessible thing out there. The thing is, it is a really good programme and the people behind it really know their stuff. It has saved my butt on at least three or four occasions, or at least helped me deal with obnoxious unwanted crap on my system.

Only thing is, like many programmes of its type, you should always make sure you understand a little of what you are getting rid of, when it flags stuff. Sometimes it will flag something like a change you made to the registry (either manually or through some other programme) that you actually want to keep/is actually wanted. You have to understand what kind of stuff MB flags and why. For instance, I replaced my task manager with Process Explorer some time back. Malwarebytes thinks this is a potential hack and so offers to remove the registry change.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of joanne
Sent: August 16, 2019 1:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

What about for windows 7? Malware Bites doesn't seem real accessible but I do need a good spyware program.

 

 

From: Stanley Smith

Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:24 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Are there any free antivirus programs out there that work reasonably well with Jaws?  Thanks a lot for the info.

Stanley

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Hi David.

 

Yes, I do use tab and shift-tab a lot in th is programme. It’s far from my favourite way to go about things, but it *mostly* works. Sometimes, though, pressing the various buttons seems to give no feedback at all. For example, yesterday I did a scan and found several items to be quarantined. I wanted to export the report to a file so I could read it more thoroughly, but the expected dialogue box simply did not appear, or, more probably, simply wasn’t read. When I did quarantine the items, I was presented with a dialogue with “yes” and “no” options, but nothing I was able to do showed me what else was in the dialogue, IE “click yes to restart your pC now” / “malwarebytes has made changes that require a restart”. I had to guess that that’s what it was, since, you know, it’s the logical next step after making the changes to the registry. But it was a frustrating moment, not being able to read that text, either by using insert-b, the jaws or touch cursor, etc.

 

Still, I wouldn’t give up this programme; malwarebytes is totally invaluable.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: August 17, 2019 11:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

When using MalwareBytes the tab and shift-tab keys are your friends. Navigating with tab moves from one item to the next. Normally, the tab key is used to move to what we call actionable items, meaning that you move to things that you can interact with, such as a button, edit field, combo box, etc. MalwareBytes does this but it also uses the tab and shift-tab keys to move to text which is informational only. On a Web site this is something that I would normally flag as a violation because it could prove to be frustrating for keyboard-only users, even those users who aren't using screen readers. However, with MalwareBytes it seems to work and pressing tab or shift-tab is the secret to successfully navigate the program. As an example, while you are performing a scan the tab key moves to items, such as the number of items which have been scanned, the number of threats which were detected, etc.

The tab which is currently selected no longer identifies its state, an issue which I reported to them a while back. As an example, if the Scan tab has been selected you should, ideally, hear JAWS say "scan tab, selected" but the word "selected" is not announced.

 

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified: 2019 WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 8/16/2019 3:15 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I recommend persevering with malwarebytes despite a somewhat annoying interface. It’s certainly usable, if not the most accessible thing out there. The thing is, it is a really good programme and the people behind it really know their stuff. It has saved my butt on at least three or four occasions, or at least helped me deal with obnoxious unwanted crap on my system.

Only thing is, like many programmes of its type, you should always make sure you understand a little of what you are getting rid of, when it flags stuff. Sometimes it will flag something like a change you made to the registry (either manually or through some other programme) that you actually want to keep/is actually wanted. You have to understand what kind of stuff MB flags and why. For instance, I replaced my task manager with Process Explorer some time back. Malwarebytes thinks this is a potential hack and so offers to remove the registry change.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of joanne
Sent: August 16, 2019 1:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

What about for windows 7? Malware Bites doesn't seem real accessible but I do need a good spyware program.

 

 

From: Stanley Smith

Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:24 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Are there any free antivirus programs out there that work reasonably well with Jaws?  Thanks a lot for the info.

Stanley

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Hi, Glenn,

I proceeded to try the same way you are suggesting, but did not see the shortcut option in the context menu.  The closest thing I saw is the Save Page As option, when on the page itself.

Would you please give the steps you used in Chrome to create a web page desktop icon?

Sincerely, Vicky V

Good morning;

perhaps you can give the steps you take to create a web desktop shortcut. I just created one in chrome, and had no problem using the shortcut to get to the web page.

Hello, All,

I’ve recently updated to Jaws 19, although my issue may not have anything to do with that.

I also had problems with Google Chrome crashing, so I restored the settings, as had been suggested in a help forum.

Now, however, any of the shortcuts on my desktop to sites just take me to the main Google Chrome page.

I have tried deleting and creating new shortcuts, but no changes.  I also tried checking the checkbox on the shortcut creation dialogue that says to open in a window, still no changes.

I’ve tried the various On Startup checkboxes, still no changes.

Does anyone have ideas for me?  As it is now, I have to type in the total url and can no longer use shortcuts.

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

Would you please give the steps you used in Chrome to create a web page desktop icon?

Sincerely, Vicky V

Good morning;

perhaps you can give the steps you take to create a web desktop shortcut. I just created one in chrome, and had no problem using the shortcut to get to the web page.

Hello, All,

I’ve recently updated to Jaws 19, although my issue may not have anything to do with that.

I also had problems with Google Chrome crashing, so I restored the settings, as had been suggested in a help forum.

Now, however, any of the shortcuts on my desktop to sites just take me to the main Google Chrome page.

I have tried deleting and creating new shortcuts, but no changes.  I also tried checking the checkbox on the shortcut creation dialogue that says to open in a window, still no changes.

I’ve tried the various On Startup checkboxes, still no changes.

Does anyone have ideas for me?  As it is now, I have to type in the total url and can no longer use shortcuts.

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

Would you please give the steps you used in Chrome to create a web page desktop icon?

Sincerely, Vicky V

Good morning;

perhaps you can give the steps you take to create a web desktop shortcut. I just created one in chrome, and had no problem using the shortcut to get to the web page.

Hello, All,

I’ve recently updated to Jaws 19, although my issue may not have anything to do with that.

I also had problems with Google Chrome crashing, so I restored the settings, as had been suggested in a help forum.

Now, however, any of the shortcuts on my desktop to sites just take me to the main Google Chrome page.

I have tried deleting and creating new shortcuts, but no changes.  I also tried checking the checkbox on the shortcut creation dialogue that says to open in a window, still no changes.

I’ve tried the various On Startup checkboxes, still no changes.

Does anyone have ideas for me?  As it is now, I have to type in the total url and can no longer use shortcuts.

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

Good morning;

perhaps you can give the steps you take to create a web desktop shortcut. I just created one in chrome, and had no problem using the shortcut to get to the web page.

Hello, All,

I’ve recently updated to Jaws 19, although my issue may not have anything to do with that.

I also had problems with Google Chrome crashing, so I restored the settings, as had been suggested in a help forum.

Now, however, any of the shortcuts on my desktop to sites just take me to the main Google Chrome page.

I have tried deleting and creating new shortcuts, but no changes.  I also tried checking the checkbox on the shortcut creation dialogue that says to open in a window, still no changes.

I’ve tried the various On Startup checkboxes, still no changes.

Does anyone have ideas for me?  As it is now, I have to type in the total url and can no longer use shortcuts.

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

Virus-free. www.avg.com

It occurs only in ‘say all.” Unfortunately, since the problem occurs only in “say all,” I can’t copy a line to demonstrate. But the example I gave of a number followed by the five letters in “space” should give you an idea.

The guy I spoke to at FS on Tuesday said he would escalate the issue, but when I called this afternoon, there was no record of his having done so. It got worse at FS today, as I’ll detail in a post tomorrow.

Not me, so far, but I wonder, is this only happening with ‘say all”?

Say all is something I hardly ever use unless I walk away from the computer and just have my bluetooth headphones on. It may seem anitquated or slow but I normally just arrow through. Now that I have my braille display I just advance at leisure. Anyway, not suggesting you do this, but I was just wondering if, when you focus on individual lines, the extra stuff is still read. Maybe you could copy out some of these lines so we can see what the gibberish actually looks like? That might help.

I’ve made no changes overnight to my system, and yet this morning, all of a sudden, JAWS has started interrupting “say all” with frequent bursts of gibberish. For example, it just now verbalized “617 s p a c e” before resuming reading regular text. When I quote a phrase like that, it might not seem like much, but these interruptions are very distracting, in part because it takes me several listens to interpret what’s being said.

I first experienced it today on the New York Times website and figured the Times had made yet one more accessibility-challenging website update. However, it’s happening on the second website I’ve visited, one that requires a password to enter.

I’m using the latest release of JAWS 2019 along with Windows 10 and, again, Chrome. I’ve rebooted twice to make sure all applications are in synch.

My workaround is to copy Website text to Notepad, but I don’t want to have to take this extra step every time.

Anyone else encountering this annoyance?

I don’t really understand the fascination with reader mode. It gets grumpy when you interrupt to check you’ve heard something right, you can’t go back and forth between windows, and clicking on a link within an article disrupts it. Reader mode is for sitting back and passively listening.

Apparently, chrome is *getting* a reader mode, at least according to an article I found from April of this year. Until then though, you may be able to find an extension to do this. Someone who uses Chrome more than I do (I’m 90% a firefox user still) might want to chime in.

I’ve made no changes overnight to my system, and yet this morning, all of a sudden, JAWS has started interrupting “say all” with frequent bursts of gibberish. For example, it just now verbalized “617 s p a c e” before resuming reading regular text. When I quote a phrase like that, it might not seem like much, but these interruptions are very distracting, in part because it takes me several listens to interpret what’s being said.

I first experienced it today on the New York Times website and figured the Times had made yet one more accessibility-challenging website update. However, it’s happening on the second website I’ve visited, one that requires a password to enter.

I’m using the latest release of JAWS 2019 along with Windows 10 and, again, Chrome. I’ve rebooted twice to make sure all applications are in synch.

My workaround is to copy Website text to Notepad, but I don’t want to have to take this extra step every time.

Anyone else encountering this annoyance?

How do you turn this new reader mode on even? This is the first I hear of it.

I don’t really understand the fascination with reader mode. It gets grumpy when you interrupt to check you’ve heard something right, you can’t go back and forth between windows, and clicking on a link within an article disrupts it. Reader mode is for sitting back and passively listening.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 7:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Sudden gibberish in "say all" with JAWS and Chrome

 

Apparently, chrome is *getting* a reader mode, at least according to an article I found from April of this year. Until then though, you may be able to find an extension to do this. Someone who uses Chrome more than I do (I’m 90% a firefox user still) might want to chime in.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 13, 2019 9:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Sudden gibberish in "say all" with JAWS and Chrome

 

I haven't, but you could try using the sites with FireFox and use F9 to put it in reader mode.

If Chrome has a reader mode, I would like to know how to invoke it.

Glenn

 

From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:03 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] Sudden gibberish in "say all" with JAWS and Chrome

 

I’ve made no changes overnight to my system, and yet this morning, all of a sudden, JAWS has started interrupting “say all” with frequent bursts of gibberish. For example, it just now verbalized “617 s p a c e” before resuming reading regular text. When I quote a phrase like that, it might not seem like much, but these interruptions are very distracting, in part because it takes me several listens to interpret what’s being said.

 

I first experienced it today on the New York Times website and figured the Times had made yet one more accessibility-challenging website update. However, it’s happening on the second website I’ve visited, one that requires a password to enter.

 

I’m using the latest release of JAWS 2019 along with Windows 10 and, again, Chrome. I’ve rebooted twice to make sure all applications are in synch.

 

My workaround is to copy Website text to Notepad, but I don’t want to have to take this extra step every time.

 

Anyone else encountering this annoyance?

No, but let us try and narrow down the problem a bit.
You say JAWS adds these letters. DO you mean that the letters are not
actually present, but JAWS is making the hard "t" sound? If you look at
individual words, I take it, going character by character, there are no
extra letters.
What about synth? Could the synth be responsible for this? Try changing to a
different one and see if the problem persists.
Does this happen in all programmes? Only in documents you create? On web
pages?




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From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: August 17, 2019 1:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS randomly adding 't' at the end of words

JAWS randomly adds 't' following the final 's' of most words. Thus 'words"
becomes "wordst", "thus" becomes "thust", and "becomes" turns into
"becomest". Has anyone else experienced this?

When using MalwareBytes the tab and shift-tab keys are your friends. Navigating with tab moves from one item to the next. Normally, the tab key is used to move to what we call actionable items, meaning that you move to things that you can interact with, such as a button, edit field, combo box, etc. MalwareBytes does this but it also uses the tab and shift-tab keys to move to text which is informational only. On a Web site this is something that I would normally flag as a violation because it could prove to be frustrating for keyboard-only users, even those users who aren't using screen readers. However, with MalwareBytes it seems to work and pressing tab or shift-tab is the secret to successfully navigate the program. As an example, while you are performing a scan the tab key moves to items, such as the number of items which have been scanned, the number of threats which were detected, etc.

The tab which is currently selected no longer identifies its state, an issue which I reported to them a while back. As an example, if the Scan tab has been selected you should, ideally, hear JAWS say "scan tab, selected" but the word "selected" is not announced.

I recommend persevering with malwarebytes despite a somewhat annoying interface. It’s certainly usable, if not the most accessible thing out there. The thing is, it is a really good programme and the people behind it really know their stuff. It has saved my butt on at least three or four occasions, or at least helped me deal with obnoxious unwanted crap on my system.

Only thing is, like many programmes of its type, you should always make sure you understand a little of what you are getting rid of, when it flags stuff. Sometimes it will flag something like a change you made to the registry (either manually or through some other programme) that you actually want to keep/is actually wanted. You have to understand what kind of stuff MB flags and why. For instance, I replaced my task manager with Process Explorer some time back. Malwarebytes thinks this is a potential hack and so offers to remove the registry change.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of joanne
Sent: August 16, 2019 1:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

What about for windows 7? Malware Bites doesn't seem real accessible but I do need a good spyware program.

 

 

From: Stanley Smith

Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:24 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: [jaws-users] Free antivirus programs and Jaws.

 

Are there any free antivirus programs out there that work reasonably well with Jaws?  Thanks a lot for the info.

Stanley

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