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Re: jaws cursor

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Sandy,
 
Maybe this'll help.  Let's say the PC cursor can only read a certain area of the screen, the Jaws cursor expands that area and reads the text outside the area that the PC cursor cannot access or read.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

no, I guess my simple mind just can’t understand different cursors, but thank you 
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
Hi Sandy & Takis,
 
See if the following will help you understand the cursors a little better.

About JAWS Cursors

Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors.

These cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often directly

linked with Windows cursors.

 

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes

 

This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and applications.

This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving through

options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons.

As you type information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you

press.

If you are making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC Cursor

highlights the currently selected object.

The PC Cursor is activated by default when JAWS starts. If you are using a

different cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns you to the PC Cursor.

*Tip, If you are using the Jaws touch cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS twice

quickly returns you to the PC Cursor.

 

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer

 

The JAWS Cursor is linked to mouse pointer functions in Windows and other

applications.

It is used to read information the PC Cursor cannot read, such as toolbar

information.

The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when it is moved, and you

therefore have access to information in an application window that is beyond

the scope of the PC Cursor.

To activate the JAWS Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

 

The Invisible Cursor - Explore Without Moving Focus

 

The Invisible Cursor allows you to move around the screen without changing

the position of the PC Cursor or mouse pointer.

You can use this cursor to read text and access options that you cannot move

to with the PC Cursor.

You can also use the Invisible Cursor to provide a quick overview of the

information currently available on the screen.

To activate the Invisible Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS twice quickly.

 

The Touch Cursor - Object Navigation

 

The Touch Cursor enables you to navigate the Windows environment using a

touch screen, found on many tablet computers running Windows 8 or later.

*Tip, you do not need to have a touch screen to use the Jaws touch cursor.

To control JAWS from a touch screen, you will use one or more fingers to

perform various gestures directly on the screen, such as tapping, flicking,

and swiping.

When activated from the keyboard, you can use keystrokes to simulate touch

screen gestures to move through the objects in an application to access

information that is not readily accessible using the JAWS or PC Cursor.

The Touch Cursor is always available when navigating using a touch screen.

To activate the Touch Cursor from the keyboard, press SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS.

Tip, to change from using the touch cursor back to the PC cursor, press the

num pad plus, twice quickly to change back to the regular PC cursor.

 

 

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment The virtual PC Cursor mimics the

functions of the PC Cursor, but is activated by default when entering an

HTML document, such as a web page on the Internet.

The virtual PC Cursor speaks the number of elements on the page when it

first opens.

For instance, the number of links, headings, and regions.

You can use the ARROW keys to navigate and read the document, or use

Navigation Quick Keys to move to specific elements, such as paragraphs,

tables, or headings.

JAWS also reads graphics labeled by alt tags in the HTML code.

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned
 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019


Re: top posting

JM Casey
 

Hi.
Not that I'm looking to argue, but I've been on forums and e-mail lists of many different sorts since the mid-90s, and while bottom-posting might have been somewhat the norm in the early days, it's not nearly as common now, especially with regards to e-mail. While it's true that on any php forum the "quote" button will place the message you are replying to above yours, you can slip in and out of the "quotes" whenever you like. The reason, I think, it was originally done, and why some prefer it, is that you can quote specifically parts of the message this way and reply to them as needed. I think once it was realised (probably after the days when internet newsgroups were the most common form of internet "chatting) that most people do not really bother with this, it became more common to place the quoted message at the bottom.

I very much used to do this thing, and still do, on forums: replying to specific paragraphs of a message, and so I am used to this format and still kind of like it. Don't really think it has anything to do with "normalising", it's just a convenient way to respond to messages while covering all points.
However, in e-mail lists like the one we are using right now, yes, putting quoted messages at the bottom is preferred by me as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: April 22, 2019 1:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] top posting

Hi,
Many, if not most sighted folk prefer bottom posting.
To them, it makes sense.
Sighted folk can simply look past all the past info and glance down to the new information.
I think some Blind folk like to do this because they may feel that it normalizes them to some degree because most sighted users do this.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a screenreader user who prefers bottom-posting, because we are forced to reread the non-relevant information at the top.
Usually when we read a message of a particular thread, we have been following the thread and we just want to read the next reply and that is why I call that non-relevant.
And if we come into a thread late, it is no big deal to arrow down to discover what the above message was referring to.
I'm bringing this topic up because I have read some bottom-posted messages on this list in the past and the moderators prefer that we top-post.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@jaws-users.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


That may be so, but I am not in the habit of searching for a reply which should be at the top of the message, and nor should anyone else!
Refer to the list guidelines for proper posting practices.


Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon S" <koala@areujoking.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


Hi, there was a message however it was right near the bottom.

Larry was commenting on the cost for his jaws compared to the price quoted for the other person.

Larry, the $90 offer is only available in US at the moment but they are hoping to at some stage open it up to all countries.

Hope this helps.
From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws

If you have something constructive to say, then say it, do not re-post what has already been said.

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Volk" <notseeman@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


On 4/21/19, John Gassman <johngassman@roadrunner.com> wrote:
If she lives in the United States, she can move from JAWS 14 to 2019
for just $90.00.
She'll be able to authorize it legally.
If she doesn't live here, she'll have to wait until the home annual
license is released world wide.
I hope that will be in the near future but so far no date has been
released.

John
At 07:37 AM 4/21/2019, you wrote:
I do not believe this is a question to be discussed on here as it goes
to copyright violation.

From: Kevin
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] activating jaws

I have a friend who is running windows 7 with jaws 14 installed.
Currently jaws 14 is set to startup when the computer does.
I gave her my old cd of jaws 17 with a valid authorization.
She has got jaws 17 installed but not
authorized so she is still using 14 and 17 is sitting on her computer.
My question is how can she authorize 17. She gets like oh no I have
no speech what do I do!
Basically because she doesn’


E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee


David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife
would have preferred.

JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification





Wow! Here in Canada it cost me more than $600.00 to go from JAWS 14 to 2019.


Re: top posting

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

If only people would actually quote the message they are replying to.
So many posts of late say something like that is true; or I agree; but the rest of the thread is not quoted so you cannot be sure what they were talking about.
So, not only is top posting preferred by most screen reader users, but also allowing the previous thread to remain in case you are coming in late and are interested to know the context.
Any more, if the reply starts with the last message in a thread and it looks like they probably bottom posted, I just delete it and move on.
The same with messages with no context.
Just my 2¢ worth"
Richard


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On Apr 22, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:

Hi,
Many, if not most sighted folk prefer bottom posting.
To them, it makes sense.
Sighted folk can simply look past all the past info and glance down to the
new information.
I think some Blind folk like to do this because they may feel that it
normalizes them to some degree because most sighted users do this.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a screenreader user who prefers
bottom-posting, because we are forced to reread the non-relevant information
at the top.
Usually when we read a message of a particular thread, we have been
following the thread and we just want to read the next reply and that is why
I call that non-relevant.
And if we come into a thread late, it is no big deal to arrow down to
discover what the above message was referring to.
I'm bringing this topic up because I have read some bottom-posted messages
on this list in the past and the moderators prefer that we top-post.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


That may be so, but I am not in the habit of searching for a reply which
should be at the top of the message,
and nor should anyone else!
Refer to the list guidelines for proper posting practices.


Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon S" <koala@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


Hi, there was a message however it was right near the bottom.

Larry was commenting on the cost for his jaws compared to the price quoted
for the other person.

Larry, the $90 offer is only available in US at the moment but they are
hoping to at some stage open it up to all countries.

Hope this helps.
From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws

If you have something constructive to say, then say it, do not re-post what
has already been said.

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Volk" <notseeman@...>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


On 4/21/19, John Gassman <johngassman@...> wrote:
If she lives in the United States, she can move
from JAWS 14 to 2019 for just $90.00.
She'll be able to authorize it legally.
If she doesn't live here, she'll have to wait
until the home annual license is released world wide.
I hope that will be in the near future but so far no date has been
released.

John
 At 07:37 AM 4/21/2019, you wrote:
I do not believe this is a question to be
discussed on here as it goes to copyright violation.

From: Kevin
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] activating jaws

I have a friend who is running windows 7 with
jaws 14 installed.  Currently jaws 14 is set to startup when the computer
does.
I gave her my old cd of jaws 17 with a valid authorization.
She has got jaws 17 installed but not
authorized   so she is still using 14 and 17 is sitting on her computer.
My question is how can she authorize 17.  She
gets like oh no I have no speech what do I do!
Basically because she doesn’


E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee


David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind
of man your wife would have preferred.



JAWS Certified, 2014.
https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.FreedomScientific.com%2FCertification&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C89e32a3988f4450f71eb08d6c745666f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636915498210310757&amp;sdata=3qubaT%2FNMfGwlafomvqTbd2WvIo7mEtA%2FUrq4cpCFWk%3D&amp;reserved=0






Wow! Here in Canada it cost me more than $600.00 to go from JAWS 14 to 2019.
















Re: needed: specs for small 10 inch notebook

John M.
 

Hi John,


Checkout a used Lenovo Thinkpad series machine. I use both a X220 and an X270. My X220 is running Windows 7 Pro 64 bit with Jaws 2019 and Office 2010. Even with its older I5 processor and 8GB or RAM, it is a very speedy computer. I believe that it is an 11" screen. It has a decent keyboard, as do most Thinkpads. However, I always travel with a full size wireless keyboard, as I am too darn old to learn/retain the Jaws laptop layout.

You should be able to find a nice used X220 on eBay for $250 or less. I believe that the X220 was current in 2012. I purchased mine used in 2015 for $300. The X270 is a very nice computer. Same size screen as the X220, but mine has an I7 processor and 16GB RAM. It is a bit lighter than the X220, but not by much. It is a screamer. The X270 was current in 2017. I purchased it last year as new, old stock for $1000 from eBay. Also, both computers have a SSD hard drive. My entire family has had/currently has Thinkpads and they are fantastic machines. I highly recommend them.


HTH,

John


Re: Combo box

Larry Volk
 

I am able to get into the list but I’m not able to scroll through the options. When I press the down arrow or a letter the first option gets selected and kicks me out of the list. Yes the Alt and down arrow does open the list but I’m still not able to scroll.

 

Larry

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of John R Vaughn
Sent: April 22, 2019 9:04 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Combo box

 

Try using alt key plus down arrow to open combo box options.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Volk
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:39 AM
To: JAWS Group
Subject: [jaws-users] Combo box

 

I’ve ran into an issue with combo boxes on one website that I use. About one year ago they changed their lists to combo boxes and now I cannot scroll through the various options. I have tried using the mouse—(mouse echo on), routing JAWS to PC and routing Touch cursor to PC, nothing worked. Would anybody have any other suggestions to try?

 

Sorry about my last post on one of the threads, I didn’t know that my reply attached to the bottom rather than at the top.

 

Larry

 


Re: top posting

joanne
 

Yes I agree. I always got annoyed when sighted people in groups would bottom-post and I had to scroll through. Fortunately I don't see as much as I once did but it can be really annoying trying to find the person's reply. Whenever I'd get an email saying "in a message dated" I knew exactly what was coming. I'm glad it's getting better now with most emails.



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@cableone.net>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:11 PM
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] top posting

Hi,
Many, if not most sighted folk prefer bottom posting.
To them, it makes sense.
Sighted folk can simply look past all the past info and glance down to the
new information.
I think some Blind folk like to do this because they may feel that it
normalizes them to some degree because most sighted users do this.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a screenreader user who prefers
bottom-posting, because we are forced to reread the non-relevant information
at the top.
Usually when we read a message of a particular thread, we have been
following the thread and we just want to read the next reply and that is why
I call that non-relevant.
And if we come into a thread late, it is no big deal to arrow down to
discover what the above message was referring to.
I'm bringing this topic up because I have read some bottom-posted messages
on this list in the past and the moderators prefer that we top-post.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@jaws-users.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


That may be so, but I am not in the habit of searching for a reply which
should be at the top of the message,
and nor should anyone else!
Refer to the list guidelines for proper posting practices.


Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon S" <koala@areujoking.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


Hi, there was a message however it was right near the bottom.

Larry was commenting on the cost for his jaws compared to the price quoted
for the other person.

Larry, the $90 offer is only available in US at the moment but they are
hoping to at some stage open it up to all countries.

Hope this helps.
From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws

If you have something constructive to say, then say it, do not re-post what
has already been said.

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Volk" <notseeman@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


On 4/21/19, John Gassman <johngassman@roadrunner.com> wrote:
If she lives in the United States, she can move
from JAWS 14 to 2019 for just $90.00.
She'll be able to authorize it legally.
If she doesn't live here, she'll have to wait
until the home annual license is released world wide.
I hope that will be in the near future but so far no date has been
released.

John
At 07:37 AM 4/21/2019, you wrote:
I do not believe this is a question to be
discussed on here as it goes to copyright violation.

From: Kevin
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] activating jaws

I have a friend who is running windows 7 with
jaws 14 installed. Currently jaws 14 is set to startup when the computer
does.
I gave her my old cd of jaws 17 with a valid authorization.
She has got jaws 17 installed but not
authorized so she is still using 14 and 17 is sitting on her computer.
My question is how can she authorize 17. She
gets like oh no I have no speech what do I do!
Basically because she doesn’


E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee


David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind
of man your wife would have preferred.

JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification





Wow! Here in Canada it cost me more than $600.00 to go from JAWS 14 to 2019.














Re: jaws cursor

sandy
 

no, I guess my simple mind just can’t understand different cursors, but thank you 
 

From: Mike B
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
Hi Sandy & Takis,
 
See if the following will help you understand the cursors a little better.

About JAWS Cursors

Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors.

These cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often directly

linked with Windows cursors.

 

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes

 

This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and applications.

This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving through

options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons.

As you type information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you

press.

If you are making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC Cursor

highlights the currently selected object.

The PC Cursor is activated by default when JAWS starts. If you are using a

different cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns you to the PC Cursor.

*Tip, If you are using the Jaws touch cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS twice

quickly returns you to the PC Cursor.

 

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer

 

The JAWS Cursor is linked to mouse pointer functions in Windows and other

applications.

It is used to read information the PC Cursor cannot read, such as toolbar

information.

The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when it is moved, and you

therefore have access to information in an application window that is beyond

the scope of the PC Cursor.

To activate the JAWS Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

 

The Invisible Cursor - Explore Without Moving Focus

 

The Invisible Cursor allows you to move around the screen without changing

the position of the PC Cursor or mouse pointer.

You can use this cursor to read text and access options that you cannot move

to with the PC Cursor.

You can also use the Invisible Cursor to provide a quick overview of the

information currently available on the screen.

To activate the Invisible Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS twice quickly.

 

The Touch Cursor - Object Navigation

 

The Touch Cursor enables you to navigate the Windows environment using a

touch screen, found on many tablet computers running Windows 8 or later.

*Tip, you do not need to have a touch screen to use the Jaws touch cursor.

To control JAWS from a touch screen, you will use one or more fingers to

perform various gestures directly on the screen, such as tapping, flicking,

and swiping.

When activated from the keyboard, you can use keystrokes to simulate touch

screen gestures to move through the objects in an application to access

information that is not readily accessible using the JAWS or PC Cursor.

The Touch Cursor is always available when navigating using a touch screen.

To activate the Touch Cursor from the keyboard, press SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS.

Tip, to change from using the touch cursor back to the PC cursor, press the

num pad plus, twice quickly to change back to the regular PC cursor.

 

 

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment The virtual PC Cursor mimics the

functions of the PC Cursor, but is activated by default when entering an

HTML document, such as a web page on the Internet.

The virtual PC Cursor speaks the number of elements on the page when it

first opens.

For instance, the number of links, headings, and regions.

You can use the ARROW keys to navigate and read the document, or use

Navigation Quick Keys to move to specific elements, such as paragraphs,

tables, or headings.

JAWS also reads graphics labeled by alt tags in the HTML code.

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 
so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned
 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019


top posting

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi,
Many, if not most sighted folk prefer bottom posting.
To them, it makes sense.
Sighted folk can simply look past all the past info and glance down to the
new information.
I think some Blind folk like to do this because they may feel that it
normalizes them to some degree because most sighted users do this.
I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a screenreader user who prefers
bottom-posting, because we are forced to reread the non-relevant information
at the top.
Usually when we read a message of a particular thread, we have been
following the thread and we just want to read the next reply and that is why
I call that non-relevant.
And if we come into a thread late, it is no big deal to arrow down to
discover what the above message was referring to.
I'm bringing this topic up because I have read some bottom-posted messages
on this list in the past and the moderators prefer that we top-post.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@jaws-users.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


That may be so, but I am not in the habit of searching for a reply which
should be at the top of the message,
and nor should anyone else!
Refer to the list guidelines for proper posting practices.


Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon S" <koala@areujoking.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


Hi, there was a message however it was right near the bottom.

Larry was commenting on the cost for his jaws compared to the price quoted
for the other person.

Larry, the $90 offer is only available in US at the moment but they are
hoping to at some stage open it up to all countries.

Hope this helps.
From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Rick Justice
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws

If you have something constructive to say, then say it, do not re-post what
has already been said.

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Volk" <notseeman@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating jaws


On 4/21/19, John Gassman <johngassman@roadrunner.com> wrote:
If she lives in the United States, she can move
from JAWS 14 to 2019 for just $90.00.
She'll be able to authorize it legally.
If she doesn't live here, she'll have to wait
until the home annual license is released world wide.
I hope that will be in the near future but so far no date has been
released.

John
At 07:37 AM 4/21/2019, you wrote:
I do not believe this is a question to be
discussed on here as it goes to copyright violation.

From: Kevin
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] activating jaws

I have a friend who is running windows 7 with
jaws 14 installed. Currently jaws 14 is set to startup when the computer
does.
I gave her my old cd of jaws 17 with a valid authorization.
She has got jaws 17 installed but not
authorized so she is still using 14 and 17 is sitting on her computer.
My question is how can she authorize 17. She
gets like oh no I have no speech what do I do!
Basically because she doesn’


E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee


David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind
of man your wife would have preferred.

JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification





Wow! Here in Canada it cost me more than $600.00 to go from JAWS 14 to 2019.


Re: jaws cursor

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Sandy & Takis,
 
See if the following will help you understand the cursors a little better.

About JAWS Cursors

Navigating through Windows with JAWS is accomplished with cursors.

These cursors determine the focus of JAWS speech and are often directly

linked with Windows cursors.

 

The PC Cursor - Follows Keystrokes

 

This cursor is linked to the keyboard functions of Windows and applications.

This is the cursor that is used when typing information, moving through

options in dialog boxes, and selecting options or icons.

As you type information, the PC Cursor follows along with each key you

press.

If you are making a selection in a menu or dialog box, the PC Cursor

highlights the currently selected object.

The PC Cursor is activated by default when JAWS starts. If you are using a

different cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS returns you to the PC Cursor.

*Tip, If you are using the Jaws touch cursor, pressing NUM PAD PLUS twice

quickly returns you to the PC Cursor.

 

The JAWS Cursor - Follows Mouse Pointer

 

The JAWS Cursor is linked to mouse pointer functions in Windows and other

applications.

It is used to read information the PC Cursor cannot read, such as toolbar

information.

The mouse follows along with the JAWS Cursor when it is moved, and you

therefore have access to information in an application window that is beyond

the scope of the PC Cursor.

To activate the JAWS Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS.

 

The Invisible Cursor - Explore Without Moving Focus

 

The Invisible Cursor allows you to move around the screen without changing

the position of the PC Cursor or mouse pointer.

You can use this cursor to read text and access options that you cannot move

to with the PC Cursor.

You can also use the Invisible Cursor to provide a quick overview of the

information currently available on the screen.

To activate the Invisible Cursor, press NUM PAD MINUS twice quickly.

 

The Touch Cursor - Object Navigation

 

The Touch Cursor enables you to navigate the Windows environment using a

touch screen, found on many tablet computers running Windows 8 or later.

*Tip, you do not need to have a touch screen to use the Jaws touch cursor.

To control JAWS from a touch screen, you will use one or more fingers to

perform various gestures directly on the screen, such as tapping, flicking,

and swiping.

When activated from the keyboard, you can use keystrokes to simulate touch

screen gestures to move through the objects in an application to access

information that is not readily accessible using the JAWS or PC Cursor.

The Touch Cursor is always available when navigating using a touch screen.

To activate the Touch Cursor from the keyboard, press SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS.

Tip, to change from using the touch cursor back to the PC cursor, press the

num pad plus, twice quickly to change back to the regular PC cursor.

 

 

The Virtual PC Cursor - HTML Environment The virtual PC Cursor mimics the

functions of the PC Cursor, but is activated by default when entering an

HTML document, such as a web page on the Internet.

The virtual PC Cursor speaks the number of elements on the page when it

first opens.

For instance, the number of links, headings, and regions.

You can use the ARROW keys to navigate and read the document, or use

Navigation Quick Keys to move to specific elements, such as paragraphs,

tables, or headings.

JAWS also reads graphics labeled by alt tags in the HTML code.

 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

so, in every day language, this means the jaws cursor doesn’t pick up all those groups of binary codes that are announced when on webpages, and things like that? please explain the data you mentioned
 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 

The JAWS cursor enables you to move around a window or screen without changing any data. Sometimes it picks up information that the Pc cursor doesn’t. However, a number of us find that it has become less and less workable, although it’s always worth trying. Lately, I’m finding the touch cursor provides more information. For the record, you bring up the touch cursor with shift-PC key and exit it with two presses of the PC key.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019


Re: PDF conversion software, recommendations?

 

I use a product called Power PDF Advanced by Nuance to edit or convert PDF files. I'm running version 2.1 of this product on a Windows 7 computer and it is accessible with Fusion 2019 although I do have some remaining vision which I use if needed. But I use the JAWSEloquence voice almost exclusively. The layout of the product is very similar to my Microsoft Office 2010 with ribbons instead of menus. I believe the latest version of this product is 3.0 which retails for $179 so it isn't inexpensive. I would recommend considering version 2.X of the product which can be purchased from Amazon for $77. Here is the product website link for those interested in reading about it:

 

https://shop.nuance.com/store/nuanceus/custom/pbpage.pPDF-Advanced?utm_medium=dr_nam_ps&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=imaging&utm_term=pdf%20converter%20professional%20nuance&cvokeywordid=32|570840&cvosrc=ps.Google.pdf%20converter%20professional%20nuance&matchtype=e&adid=318199832778&addisttype=g&gclid=CjwKCAjwzPXlBRAjEiwAj_XTEZUq8ZZUkR5OACrdhYrf3XbVAUQQaij5QHfd3DM6NsMyBpO_EoWqDRoCH0kQAvD_BwE

That link is about 3 lines long so those who have their email clients set to red in plain text instead of html will probably get a broken and nonworking link. While I recommend setting your email client to read and send messages in html format, here is a TinyURL to the same site:

 

https://tinyurl.com/y3xvyypk

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 11:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PDF conversion software, recommendations?

 

OmniPage still around?

 

Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 15:35

Subject: [jaws-users] PDF conversion software, recommendations?

 

I used to have Omega to perform OCR, but a Google search indicates it’s no longer as highly rated as it used to be. I’ve just experimented with a free PDF converter, but it can’t convert PDF images to text. Sometimes, PDF files contain lots of text captured as images, so that one is no good.

 

I see no need for OpenBook. A commercial application ought to be good enough, so long as it works well with JAWS.

 

Suggestions?


Re: Combo box

John R Vaughn
 

Try using alt key plus down arrow to open combo box options.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Volk
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:39 AM
To: JAWS Group
Subject: [jaws-users] Combo box

 

I’ve ran into an issue with combo boxes on one website that I use. About one year ago they changed their lists to combo boxes and now I cannot scroll through the various options. I have tried using the mouse—(mouse echo on), routing JAWS to PC and routing Touch cursor to PC, nothing worked. Would anybody have any other suggestions to try?

 

Sorry about my last post on one of the threads, I didn’t know that my reply attached to the bottom rather than at the top.

 

Larry

 


Re: jaws cursor

Larry Volk
 

Using the JAWS cursor hasn’t worked well since JAWS 14 and win 7.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: April 22, 2019 8:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

glad to know I’m not alone

 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:18 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

Me too Sandy. I have been using jaws since 2000 approximately, and never understood the way in which I need to switch to the jaws cursor. It used to work somehow for me in earlier windows versions, but seems to be doing nothing in win10.

                                Gree      ti             ngs to all of you from Athens, Greece,

                                Takis                     

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019


Combo box

Larry Volk
 

I’ve ran into an issue with combo boxes on one website that I use. About one year ago they changed their lists to combo boxes and now I cannot scroll through the various options. I have tried using the mouse—(mouse echo on), routing JAWS to PC and routing Touch cursor to PC, nothing worked. Would anybody have any other suggestions to try?

 

Sorry about my last post on one of the threads, I didn’t know that my reply attached to the bottom rather than at the top.

 

Larry

 


Re: jaws cursor

sandy
 

glad to know I’m not alone
 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] jaws cursor
 

Me too Sandy. I have been using jaws since 2000 approximately, and never understood the way in which I need to switch to the jaws cursor. It used to work somehow for me in earlier windows versions, but seems to be doing nothing in win10.

                                Gree      ti             ngs to all of you from Athens, Greece,

                                Takis                     

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019


Re: jaws cursor

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Me too Sandy. I have been using jaws since 2000 approximately, and never understood the way in which I need to switch to the jaws cursor. It used to work somehow for me in earlier windows versions, but seems to be doing nothing in win10.

                                Gree      ti             ngs to all of you from Athens, Greece,

                                Takis                     

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] jaws cursor

 

I’ve used jaws for a good while, but relatively new to this list, and would like to know why and when it’s appropriate to use the jaws cursor, and yes, I know how to switch from the PC to the Jaws cursor. win 10, jaws 2019


Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and the Mueller Report

David Ferrin
 

I know this will fall on deaf ears but I must try anyway. There are only four guys who can post admin messages. Nobody else should reply to such posts.
David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have preferred.


Re: JAWS and the Mueller Report

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 


thanks Russ,
The bookshare copy is one by the Washington Post with Analysis by Post reporters before each document, so is about 6 hours longer than just the report. It can be read by Jaws using their DAISY reader or by getting it in a different format.
Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker



On Apr 22, 2019, at 5:57 AM, Russ <russ94577@...> wrote:

Bookshare has it in daisy form.
 
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 11:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS and the Mueller Report
 

Let me be clear: I’m not trying to start a political discussion!

I’ve searched the Web for a version of the Mueller Report that’s easy for JAWS to read. On more than one website, the entire text is copied, but each of the 440+ pages has a lot of heading text that’s very distracting. I’ve also downloaded the PDF file of the report. JAWS says it’s an “empty document,” and so I initiate Convenient OCR. However, it can’t get past page 182 without getting hung. I’ve tried three times.

 

So, two questions. First, has anyone here found a readable version of the report?

Second, more broadly, has anyone found a solution when a PDF file is apparently too big for JAWS Convenient OCR to process?


Re: JAWS and the Mueller Report

Russ
 

I got it from bookshare.
 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 12:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and the Mueller Report
 
If you have an iPhone, the $5.99 Voice Dream Scanner processed all 448 pages in about 5 minutes, but you still are going to have all the distracting text.
Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On Apr 21, 2019, at 11:18 AM, Dave... <dgcarlson@...> wrote:

Adrian,
 
Do you have Openbook, or another OCR program? That may be necessary to process such a large PDF file.
 
In the other version that shows constant headings, have you tried to save it as a plain text file?
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 11:12
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS and the Mueller Report
 

Let me be clear: I’m not trying to start a political discussion!

I’ve searched the Web for a version of the Mueller Report that’s easy for JAWS to read. On more than one website, the entire text is copied, but each of the 440+ pages has a lot of heading text that’s very distracting. I’ve also downloaded the PDF file of the report. JAWS says it’s an “empty document,” and so I initiate Convenient OCR. However, it can’t get past page 182 without getting hung. I’ve tried three times.

 

So, two questions. First, has anyone here found a readable version of the report?

Second, more broadly, has anyone found a solution when a PDF file is apparently too big for JAWS Convenient OCR to process?


Re: JAWS and the Mueller Report

Russ
 

Bookshare has it in daisy form.
 

From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 11:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS and the Mueller Report
 

Let me be clear: I’m not trying to start a political discussion!

I’ve searched the Web for a version of the Mueller Report that’s easy for JAWS to read. On more than one website, the entire text is copied, but each of the 440+ pages has a lot of heading text that’s very distracting. I’ve also downloaded the PDF file of the report. JAWS says it’s an “empty document,” and so I initiate Convenient OCR. However, it can’t get past page 182 without getting hung. I’ve tried three times.

 

So, two questions. First, has anyone here found a readable version of the report?

Second, more broadly, has anyone found a solution when a PDF file is apparently too big for JAWS Convenient OCR to process?


Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and the Mueller Report

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

How does Jaws work with the Mueller report

On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 8:16 AM David Ferrin <owner@...> wrote:
>
> Rick is completely in his right and just doing his job.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@...>
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 7:17 AM
> To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and the Mueller Report
>
> Yes, that is true, but the post I replied to had nothing to do with Jaws.
>
> Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
> jaws-users-list@groups.io
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave..." <dgcarlson@...>
> To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 12:19 AM
> Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and the Mueller Report
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I thought the original inquiry had to do with JAWS Convenient OCR not being
> able to handle the entire report?
>
> Dave
> Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Justice" <ricjustice@...>
> To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 18:28
> Subject: ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and the Mueller Report
>
>
> Your post is not related to Jaws, so discontinue this avenue of discussion.
>
> Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
> jaws-users-list@groups.io
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...>
> To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS and the Mueller Report
>
>
> If you have an iPhone, the $5.99 Voice Dream Scanner processed all 448 pages
> in about 5 minutes, but you still are going to have all the distracting
> text.
> Richard
>
>
> Check out my web site at:
> www.turner42.com<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C633c05971fbe4621637e08d6bb714c96%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636902492616129219&sdata=9qG6zwn2QJ9Xe5fJyao6MewzLG36u7TAieLK72Tg19c%3D&reserved=0>
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>
>
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't
> have any." -- Alice Walker
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2019, at 11:18 AM, Dave...
> <dgcarlson@...<mailto:dgcarlson@...>> wrote:
>
> Adrian,
>
> Do you have Openbook, or another OCR program? That may be necessary to
> process such a large PDF file.
>
> In the other version that shows constant headings, have you tried to save it
> as a plain text file?
>
> Dave
> Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Adrian Spratt<mailto:adrian@...>
> To: jaws-users-list@groups.io<mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 11:12
> Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS and the Mueller Report
>
> Let me be clear: I'm not trying to start a political discussion!
> I've searched the Web for a version of the Mueller Report that's easy for
> JAWS to read. On more than one website, the entire text is copied, but each
> of the 440+ pages has a lot of heading text that's very distracting. I've
> also downloaded the PDF file of the report. JAWS says it's an "empty
> document," and so I initiate Convenient OCR. However, it can't get past page
> 182 without getting hung. I've tried three times.
>
> So, two questions. First, has anyone here found a readable version of the
> report?
> Second, more broadly, has anyone found a solution when a PDF file is
> apparently too big for JAWS Convenient OCR to process?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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