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Re: Open book & Windows 7

Andy
 

OB 9 will run under Win 7.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Open book & Windows 7

I am fairly sure that open book 7 will work just fine.
 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 6:40 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [jaws-users] Openbook & Windows 7
 
Hi All,
 
A friend is running Windows 7 32 bit & Jaws 13 or 15, I'm not quite sure which.  Anyways, I need to install Openbook on his computer.  What is the earliest / oldest version that will work on Windows 7 32 bit?  He has Openbook 7, will this work?  All advice will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.
Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 

David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have preferred.


Re: Jaws 2019 will not install

valiant8086
 

Hi from nearby in WV, that is, if you're the one here. I deleted the wrong message from the conversation and now can't verify which person it was that mentioned that.


Anyways, the same thing happened to, of all things, my Elbraille. I don't know the cause, but the solution was to uninstall all jaws versions, and just to be safe I uninstalled shared components, didn't really want to do it again if I didn't have to. After the components were gone, I nuked all the freedom scientific stuff that was specifically jaws related, though I didn't bother removing the rainbow driver.


After it was free of JAWS and I was sing a backup screen reader with a USB keyboard plugged in, I went and deleted all of the JAWS version specific folders e.g. in %appdata%/freedom scientific/jaws/ there were 18, 2018 and 2019. I deleted all 3 of those. Don't delete the whole folder though because part of the JAWS activation lurks somewhere in one of the Freedom Scientific folders, although reactivating it probably wouldn't require another key and if you're using the new home use activation 90 dollar a year thing well that's different, though how different I don't know. Just delete version folders for various versions of JAWS that the uninstalls didn't remove from %appdata%/Freedom Scientific/JAWS, %programfiles%/Freedom Scientific/JAWS, local disk/program files/Freedom Scientific/JAWS, local disk/Program Data/Freedom Scientific/JAWS. If you don't see obvious JAWS version folders then try leaving them and hoping they're not the real issue, and be careful not to nuke your license if you can help it. Don't want my advice to stick you with problems you didn't already have.


Once you've cleaned house - I didn't run a registry cleanup to my recollection, so try skipping that step, try to install JAWS 2019 from scratch. It'll take longer now as it reinstalls loads of shared components. Note that if you have other Vistero products Open Book etc, you might want to imply some variation on removing shared components. I couldn't tell you whether removing shared components and eventually reinstalling them all again out from under Open Book for instance would break Open Book after they were already back.


This is what solved my problem with my Elbraille. I never figured out exactly what caused it, and since none of my other computers have done it, and until now I hadn't heard anyone else discussing it, and since it's been probably 8 years since JAWS has ever went sideways on me during an installation of it, I didn't bother to raise concerns about it. It sounds like they may have messed something up with the new installer though. Perhaps on the bright side, it'll probably not happen again so long as they keep the new installer.


Good luck, but feel free to save this as a backup plan and see if Vistero's got other ideas first. At best, asking them about it might allow them to flag issues.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>
On 2/5/2019 12:55 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

OK Vicki.  I only have Jaws 2018 on my machine.  I have earlier version on this machine, but no short cut on my desktop.         I think Jaws 17 was the first                 one on this machine.  I have Jaws 17, 18, and 2018 on the hard drive.

 

I don’t understand because the progress bar goes to 100% and for the briefest of a moment I think it is done and then I get the installation failed announcement.  Thanks for the idea

 

Have a great day, 73

 

Bob Hicks, KC8CR

 

Windows 7 and 10 home 64 bit

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Vicki W
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 12:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws 2019 will not install

 

I had this exact problem and discovered that, because I had another version of JAWS earlier than JAWS 16 installed, it wouldn't install. Once I uninstalled the earlier version and installed JAWS 16, the JAWS 2019 worked fine.

 

If you don't want another version of JAWS on your computer, then take them off and try to reinstall the 2019. If you do want another version on there as a backup, then try uninstalling earlier versions of JAWS, installing JAWS 16 and then install your 2019.

 

I faught this for months until I finally got it right. It was, for me anyway, an immediate fix.

 

Vicki

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Hicks

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 6:44 AM

Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws 2019 will not install

 

Hi guys.  I have tried4 or 5 times to install Jaws 2019 without success.  The progress bar says 100%, but then it follows up with “installation failed” with an OK button.  I am right back to Jaws 2018.  I am using Win10 1803,, 64 bit, home.  Thoughts or suggestions.  I am downloading the software from the FS web site.

 

Have a great day, 73

 

Bob Hicks, KC8CR

 

Windows 7 and 10 home 64 bit

 



Deleting Jaws Email message

JERRY MARTIN
 

Evening folks:
 
Using Jaws 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop with WLM, I have a email message regarding jaws and WaterFox and installation. However, when I go to delete it, it does not get removed. Any ideas/suggestions? Thanks.
 
Jerry
 
For Evil to thrive, all it needs is for good people to do nothing.
 


Re: Concerning Waterfox and installation

David Moore
 

Hi!

There are many advantages to Waterfox!

It is just as fast as Chrome, and it works great with JAWS.

It has all classic add-ons that Firefox had.

It is much easier to use including settings and so on.

It works like the Old Firefox used to, very reliable, and very secure, constantly getting security updates without changing the interface.

It downloads files, programs, and folders very quickly on web sites.

JAWS is very responsive in Waterfox.

It has all the key commands as Firefox, without all of the changes that took place in Firefox quantum.

Web vism does not work in Waterfox, however.

Also, Waterfox only works with 64 bit computers.

That is the one draw back, but for all of those with 64 bit systems, Waterfox is so easy to use, and very quick and responsive.

Many blind users have used Waterfox, and can testify to the user friendly interface of Waterfox.

You can download a portable version of Waterfox instead of installing it to your computer.

There are many positives for doing this.

You do not get a large footprint on your computer by installing browsers.

You do not have to worry about the browser putting anything on your computer.

With a portable version, your favorites, history, and so on is saved in the portable app that you can take with you to any computer on a USB pin drive, or SD card.

You can still put the unzipped portable Waterfox in your downloads folder, and put a shortcut on your desktop to launch it, just like you can for an installed program on your computer.

A portable version is safer, because nothing is saved to your computer, like many cookies, adds, history and so on.

None of that stuff is taking up room on your computer.

However, you can install Waterfox to your computer just like other browsers.

It was created in 2012, as a much faster browser than Firefox, but it is closely related to Firefox!

I hope that helps.

Have a great one!

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: michele thredgold
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 6:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Concerning Waterfox and installation

 

How different is water Fox to Firefox?

> On 12 Feb 2019, at 8:29 am, Mike Rogers <harpman9@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks.

>

> ********************************

>

> www.harmonicaworkshops.com

>

>

>

> On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 16:46:47 -0500

> "JM Casey" <jmcasey@...> wrote:

>

>> Just run the setup, and follow the prompts.

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of

>> Mike Rogers

>> Sent: February 11, 2019 4:33 PM

>> To: Jaws Users List <jaws-users-list@groups.io>

>> Subject: [jaws-users] Concerning Waterfox and installation

>>

>> Once you open the set up, does it install and you can use it, or do you have

>> to know some special code numbers to complete installment.  I've never set

>> up any of my browsers myself.

>>

>> ********************************

>>

>> www.harmonicaworkshops.com

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 


Re: Concerning Waterfox and installation

Glenn / Lenny
 

A splinter version took off and hosed FireFox.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "michele thredgold" <michele.thredgold@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Concerning Waterfox and installation


How different is water Fox to Firefox?
On 12 Feb 2019, at 8:29 am, Mike Rogers <harpman9@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks.

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 16:46:47 -0500
"JM Casey" <jmcasey@teksavvy.com> wrote:

Just run the setup, and follow the prompts.



-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike Rogers
Sent: February 11, 2019 4:33 PM
To: Jaws Users List <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Concerning Waterfox and installation

Once you open the set up, does it install and you can use it, or do you
have
to know some special code numbers to complete installment. I've never
set
up any of my browsers myself.

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com










Re: Openbook & Windows 7

Glenn / Lenny
 

The latest will work.
I have the latest on Windows 7.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 5:40 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Openbook & Windows 7

Hi All,
 
A friend is running Windows 7 32 bit & Jaws 13 or 15, I'm not quite sure which.  Anyways, I need to install Openbook on his computer.  What is the earliest / oldest version that will work on Windows 7 32 bit?  He has Openbook 7, will this work?  All advice will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.
Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 


Re: Open book & Windows 7

David Ferrin
 

I am fairly sure that open book 7 will work just fine.
 

From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 6:40 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [jaws-users] Openbook & Windows 7
 
Hi All,
 
A friend is running Windows 7 32 bit & Jaws 13 or 15, I'm not quite sure which.  Anyways, I need to install Openbook on his computer.  What is the earliest / oldest version that will work on Windows 7 32 bit?  He has Openbook 7, will this work?  All advice will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.
Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 

David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have preferred.


Openbook & Windows 7

Mike B. <mike9902@...>
 

Hi All,
 
A friend is running Windows 7 32 bit & Jaws 13 or 15, I'm not quite sure which.  Anyways, I need to install Openbook on his computer.  What is the earliest / oldest version that will work on Windows 7 32 bit?  He has Openbook 7, will this work?  All advice will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.
Take Care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 


Re: Concerning Waterfox and installation

michele thredgold
 

How different is water Fox to Firefox?

On 12 Feb 2019, at 8:29 am, Mike Rogers <harpman9@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks.

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 16:46:47 -0500
"JM Casey" <jmcasey@teksavvy.com> wrote:

Just run the setup, and follow the prompts.



-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike Rogers
Sent: February 11, 2019 4:33 PM
To: Jaws Users List <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Concerning Waterfox and installation

Once you open the set up, does it install and you can use it, or do you have
to know some special code numbers to complete installment. I've never set
up any of my browsers myself.

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com










Re: Outlook inbox behavior

Cher
 

With JAWS February update and Outlook 365 I have not encountered this.

 

Cher

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Outlook inbox behavior

 

 

Jaws 2018 and the latest Office 365 version of Outlook. I seriously doubt Jaws is a factor here.

I'll call Microsoft.

Thanks,

Richard

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On Feb 17, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:

I am not experiencing this problem (JAWS 2019 with latest update; current Outlook for Office 365). Which versions are you using? Perhaps someone here can reproduce it.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 11:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Outlook inbox behavior

 

Before I call Microsoft, does anyone know why in Outlook 365 when I reply to or forward a message, it moves way down the inbox instead of staying where it is and simply showing replied or forwarded?

It does show that it was replied to or forwarded, but it is down the list passed the last message not replied or forwarded.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 


Re: IE and the latest JAWS not working together?

 

Kenny,

 

I'm home again and the version of Firefox I use is 60.5.0 ESR 32-bit. I am being prompted today to update to what I assume is 60.5.1 ESR but I have yet to do that.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] IE and the latest JAWS not working together?

 

Hi Allen, which version of Fire Fox do you use?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] IE and the latest JAWS not working together?

 

 

In like fashion, one nice thing about Firefox is you can go to the address bar with ctrl plus l and type an asterisk followed by a space and some keyword from one of your bookmark titles and a list of hits will appear below the address bar which you can up and down arrow through and go to the one of your choice by pressing enter when it's announced.

 

Alan Lemly 


On Feb 5, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:

One nice thing about Chrome, although I don't always remember to do this,

If you go to the address bar with control + L and start typing out the URL without the http stuff, it will fill it in from your bookmarks and you just press enter.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 10:31 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] IE and the latest JAWS not working together?

 

I cannot say that IE has gotten worse since that last upgrade.  As others have noted, since IE is no longer being supported, many websites just will not work on it.  I was on a recipe site last night that is so cluttered and crashed.  I did not try it in Google Chrome, nor did I pull up Window Eyes to test it.  I have just come to expect that my habit of opening IE will likely result in crashed pages. 

Probably one of the reasons I have not switched over is that I just like the way favorites work in IE better than the bookmarks menu in Chrome.  I have not used Firefox in a few years, but supposed I should give it a try

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 4:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] IE and the latest JAWS not working together?

 

Since I updated to the latest version of JAWS, IE is a mess, can't hardly use it with JAWS.

Has anyone else noticed this. I can switch to window eyes and it works OK, that is why I think JAWS is the cause.



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Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

Justin Williams
 

Try control l.

Justin

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Kevin, I read this tutorial, and am still having problems. So, I open chrome. I hit windows key up arrow to make sure the window is maximized. Then, I try to type in a web site, by hitting control O, and before I type in anything, I hear, OAkp32. I didn’t type that in, it was just there. And when I back space that out, and type in the web site I want, I hear ok button, and nothing happens after that. What the heck is going on I wonder? Jim

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Here is a tutorial that may answer a few questions!

 

 

By David Moore

Section One:

 

Launching Chrome:

 

One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and

type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS

say Chrome.

 

However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a

shortcut icon on your desktop.

 

So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter

to open Chrome.

 

The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the

Google Chrome icon on your desktop.

 

The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise

the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you

will get undesirable results.

 

Section Two:

 

Bringing up a web site.

 

Press CTRL+L or Alt+D

 

and type the following:

 

www.freedomscientific.com

 

The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.

 

All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for

combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.

 

Section Three:

 

The Virticle Chrome menu:

 

I will press the Alt key.

 

The Chrome menu is open.

 

This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and

down arrow through.

 

I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.

 

New Tab, CTRL+T.

 

You can press that command right from the web site you are on.

 

New Window, CTRL+N

 

You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming

here.

 

New incognito Window.

 

History sub menu.

 

I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!

 

History, CTRL+H

 

So, there is a key command for reading your history.

 

You can read a few sites you were on right here.

 

I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.

 

Downloads, CTRL+J

 

There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with

Chrome.

 

Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.

 

I will press right arrow, to open this.

 

I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D

 

That command will bookmark the page you are reading.

 

Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B

 

That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to

see. I do not want that.

 

Here is the important one.

 

manage bookmarks

 

The command is, CTRL+Shift+O

 

In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks

you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can

download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.

 

On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads,

and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have

saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your

bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.

 

That is all for manage bookmarks.

 

Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.

 

press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from

IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their

corresponding folders.

 

Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.

 

Very important!

 

Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the

choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks.

If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these

choices.

 

Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have

key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at

all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your

saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.

 

To save a web site as a bookmark,

 

Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.

 

I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!

 

I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we

entered by just pressing alt.

 

The next few are very self explanatory.

 

The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.

 

I will press right arrow on this.

 

I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.

 

Next, Save to desktop.

 

This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop.

This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file

menu in IE.

 

It is hidden under this more tools submenu.

 

Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.

 

Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.

 

These are the same as add ons, in IE.

 

I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are

back to the virticle Chrome menu.

 

The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.

 

If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help

system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.

 

Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open

where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in

Brows mode.

 

Section Four:

 

Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:

 

Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and

we will deal with each setting.

 

Important:

 

I have already signed into Chrome.

 

So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.

 

You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the

same email address and password that you used to set up your Google

account.

 

I am not sure about this.

 

You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your

activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only

advantage of signing in.

 

I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.

 

If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.

 

Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H.

This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the

group of settings you want to work with.

 

Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to

appearance.

 

The first thing you hear:

 

Settings.

 

That is the very top of the web page.

 

Down arrow, and you hear:

 

Main Menu Button.

 

That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.

 

If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.

 

Down arrow, again, and you hear:

 

Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by

pressing H at the top of the page.

 

If you down arrow, you hear:

 

Search Settings.

 

This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.

 

Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the

setting you want to work with.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.

 

This is because I have already signed into Chrome.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.

 

Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my

settings and all of that.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

Edit person.

 

This is where I could change my name.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

Sign Out.

 

This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

Sync.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

On, Sync everything.

 

This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose

everything in this combo box.

 

Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Sync button.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Manage other people clickable.

 

Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things,

but then there is the button you enter on right after that.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Manage other people button.

 

This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:

 

Down arrow again, and you actually hear

 

Import bookmarks and settings button.

 

Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from

other Browsers like IE.

 

This is another way of doing this, because remember,

 

We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the

virticle menu.

 

There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.

 

Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for

heading, to get to.

 

Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:

 

themes, which I did nothing with.

 

Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of

extentions, and more.

 

Then, you hear Themes button.

 

Do nothing with this.

 

Next, you hear:

 

Show home clickable.

 

Just skip that.

 

There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button

that you actually press enter on to work with it.

 

Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.

 

Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page

you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.

 

Next, there is the home button toggle.

 

Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the

home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.

 

I have it checked.

 

Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a

custom web address.

 

Search Heading:

 

We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.

 

There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to

have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.

 

Next heading:

 

Default Browser.

 

Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser

or not.

 

Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.

 

Next Important heading:

 

On Start up.

 

Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you

start Chrome.

 

There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a

specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.

 

Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to

open when you start Chrome.

 

Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to

show when Chrome starts up.

 

Now, we are up to the search engin heading.

 

This is a heading.

 

There are headings on this settings page.

 

I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.

 

The next heading, is on start up.

 

Finally, here is where you set up your home page.

 

There are three radio buttons here.

 

I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.

 

Next, I was able to enter:

 

www.Google.Com.

 

That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.

 

Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.

 

Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more

headings of settings will show.

 

The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show

more headings of settings.

 

Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of

settings.

 

There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.

 

Privacy and security heading:

 

Down arrow from here, and you hear:

 

Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.

 

You have a clickable, and a toggle.

 

Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.

 

Again, ignore the clickables.

 

Now you have:

 

Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.

 

I left this unchecked.

 

Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:

 

I checked this with spacebar.

 

The next three settings I just left alone.

 

I checked the one that says:

 

Use a web service to help with spelling.

 

I leave manage certificates alone.

 

Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.

 

We are still working with the same heading.

 

The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.

 

This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.

 

Now, we get to the next heading of settings.

 

Passwords and forms:

 

Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have

Chrome save passwords.

 

Languages Heading:

 

I did nothing with this.

 

Downloads heading:

 

This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on

your computer.

 

Printing heading:

 

I did nothing with this.

 

Accessibility heading:

 

I did nothing with this.

 

Now, we have the System heading:

 

Down arrow, and you hear:

 

Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.

 

I have this unchecked.

 

Next,

 

Use hard ware excelloration when Available.

 

I have this checked.

 

Next, you hear:

 

Open proxy settings button.

 

I left this alone.

 

Last Heading LOL!

 

Reset.

 

Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.

 

We are done with Settings.

 

Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.

 

This settings web page, opens in another tab.

 

That is it for settings.

 

Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot

see these, unless you press enter to expand these.

 

Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the

menu where we were with the settings.

 

You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the

settings choice.

 

I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help

center to get a lot of help using Chrome.

 

To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.

 

Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming

TV and Watching movies, and so on.

 

For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.

 

Lastly, All JAWS navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example,

you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS.

 

This is the end of the tutorial.

 

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Windows 10

 

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E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Hi all, I have questions.

First, when I try to go to a web site, example, freedomscientific.com, I type in the web site, and when I hit enter, I hear, ok button. And nothing happens after that.

I also need to check my options. Like, making sure autofill is set to work. And how do you import favorites from IE? And after you have imported them, how do you get to them? I am using jaws 2019 on a windows ten computer. So far, I’m not impressed with Chrome. Smile. Jim

 


Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

Justin Williams
 

Can someone send the tutorial you are referring to for google chrome?

Justin

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Thanks Adrian. Jim

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Jim,

 

I’ll try to answer your specific questions, although Kevin’s copy of David Moore’s tutorial will help.

 

With regard to opening a website, you need to press control-l before typing the URL. I’m guessing you’re using control-o.

 

To import bookmarks from IE, open chrome’s menu with alt and arrow down to the bookmarks option. Press enter, then arrow up or down through the options. Experience will help you handle bookmarks more conveniently, but this will get you going.

 

I don’t remember how I got to autofill, which suggests “on” might be the default. It’s almost certainly in the “Settings’ part of the menu. Here, I’d press the alt key, then arrow up.

 

One hint that helped me at the beginning. When you open the settings page, you can skip from category to category by pressing the h for heading navigation key.

 

Once you become familiar with Chrome’s quirks, I’m confident you’ll appreciate its speed and ability to handle most websites. I was skeptical when David initially promoted it, but chrome has become pretty accessible in the past year or two.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Hi all, I have questions.

First, when I try to go to a web site, example, freedomscientific.com, I type in the web site, and when I hit enter, I hear, ok button. And nothing happens after that.

I also need to check my options. Like, making sure autofill is set to work. And how do you import favorites from IE? And after you have imported them, how do you get to them? I am using jaws 2019 on a windows ten computer. So far, I’m not impressed with Chrome. Smile. Jim


Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

JM Casey
 

Hi.

I’d just like to add that ctrl-l does work in iE, too, and you may as well get used to it, whatever else you do. Ctrl-o is usually the command for opening a local file using your browser, so it will not reach out to the DNS and get an address from the internet. Get into the habit of ctrl-l at all times and you’ll be fine. Yes, it was a little hard for me at first, too.

 

One thing about Chrome that you should know: if you open a new tab or open the browser to a blank page, you should be already placed in the address bar where you can enter an URL. So in that situation, you do not need to press ctrl-l at all.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: February 18, 2019 2:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

 

The correct command to enter a web address in Chrome is Control-L, like in Firefox, not Control-O, like in IE.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/18/2019 1:54 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:

Kevin, I read this tutorial, and am still having problems. So, I open chrome. I hit windows key up arrow to make sure the window is maximized. Then, I try to type in a web site, by hitting control O, and before I type in anything, I hear, OAkp32. I didn’t type that in, it was just there. And when I back space that out, and type in the web site I want, I hear ok button, and nothing happens after that. What the heck is going on I wonder? Jim

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Here is a tutorial that may answer a few questions!

 

 

By David Moore

Section One:

 

Launching Chrome:

 

One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and

type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS

say Chrome.

 

However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a

shortcut icon on your desktop.

 

So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter

to open Chrome.

 

The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the

Google Chrome icon on your desktop.

 

The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise

the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you

will get undesirable results.

 

Section Two:

 

Bringing up a web site.

 

Press CTRL+L or Alt+D

 

and type the following:

 

www.freedomscientific.com

 

The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.

 

All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for

combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.

 

Section Three:

 

The Virticle Chrome menu:

 

I will press the Alt key.

 

The Chrome menu is open.

 

This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and

down arrow through.

 

I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.

 

New Tab, CTRL+T.

 

You can press that command right from the web site you are on.

 

New Window, CTRL+N

 

You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming

here.

 

New incognito Window.

 

History sub menu.

 

I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!

 

History, CTRL+H

 

So, there is a key command for reading your history.

 

You can read a few sites you were on right here.

 

I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.

 

Downloads, CTRL+J

 

There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with

Chrome.

 

Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.

 

I will press right arrow, to open this.

 

I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D

 

That command will bookmark the page you are reading.

 

Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B

 

That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to

see. I do not want that.

 

Here is the important one.

 

manage bookmarks

 

The command is, CTRL+Shift+O

 

In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks

you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can

download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.

 

On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads,

and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have

saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your

bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.

 

That is all for manage bookmarks.

 

Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.

 

press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from

IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their

corresponding folders.

 

Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.

 

Very important!

 

Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the

choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks.

If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these

choices.

 

Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have

key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at

all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your

saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.

 

To save a web site as a bookmark,

 

Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.

 

I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!

 

I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we

entered by just pressing alt.

 

The next few are very self explanatory.

 

The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.

 

I will press right arrow on this.

 

I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.

 

Next, Save to desktop.

 

This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop.

This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file

menu in IE.

 

It is hidden under this more tools submenu.

 

Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.

 

Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.

 

These are the same as add ons, in IE.

 

I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are

back to the virticle Chrome menu.

 

The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.

 

If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help

system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.

 

Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open

where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in

Brows mode.

 

Section Four:

 

Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:

 

Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and

we will deal with each setting.

 

Important:

 

I have already signed into Chrome.

 

So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.

 

You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the

same email address and password that you used to set up your Google

account.

 

I am not sure about this.

 

You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your

activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only

advantage of signing in.

 

I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.

 

If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.

 

Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H.

This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the

group of settings you want to work with.

 

Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to

appearance.

 

The first thing you hear:

 

Settings.

 

That is the very top of the web page.

 

Down arrow, and you hear:

 

Main Menu Button.

 

That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.

 

If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.

 

Down arrow, again, and you hear:

 

Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by

pressing H at the top of the page.

 

If you down arrow, you hear:

 

Search Settings.

 

This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.

 

Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the

setting you want to work with.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.

 

This is because I have already signed into Chrome.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.

 

Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my

settings and all of that.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

Edit person.

 

This is where I could change my name.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

Sign Out.

 

This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

Sync.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

On, Sync everything.

 

This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose

everything in this combo box.

 

Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Sync button.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Manage other people clickable.

 

Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things,

but then there is the button you enter on right after that.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Manage other people button.

 

This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:

 

Down arrow again, and you actually hear

 

Import bookmarks and settings button.

 

Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from

other Browsers like IE.

 

This is another way of doing this, because remember,

 

We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the

virticle menu.

 

There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.

 

Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for

heading, to get to.

 

Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:

 

themes, which I did nothing with.

 

Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of

extentions, and more.

 

Then, you hear Themes button.

 

Do nothing with this.

 

Next, you hear:

 

Show home clickable.

 

Just skip that.

 

There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button

that you actually press enter on to work with it.

 

Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.

 

Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page

you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.

 

Next, there is the home button toggle.

 

Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the

home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.

 

I have it checked.

 

Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a

custom web address.

 

Search Heading:

 

We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.

 

There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to

have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.

 

Next heading:

 

Default Browser.

 

Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser

or not.

 

Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.

 

Next Important heading:

 

On Start up.

 

Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you

start Chrome.

 

There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a

specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.

 

Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to

open when you start Chrome.

 

Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to

show when Chrome starts up.

 

Now, we are up to the search engin heading.

 

This is a heading.

 

There are headings on this settings page.

 

I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.

 

The next heading, is on start up.

 

Finally, here is where you set up your home page.

 

There are three radio buttons here.

 

I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.

 

Next, I was able to enter:

 

www.Google.Com.

 

That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.

 

Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.

 

Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more

headings of settings will show.

 

The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show

more headings of settings.

 

Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of

settings.

 

There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.

 

Privacy and security heading:

 

Down arrow from here, and you hear:

 

Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.

 

You have a clickable, and a toggle.

 

Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.

 

Again, ignore the clickables.

 

Now you have:

 

Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.

 

I left this unchecked.

 

Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:

 

I checked this with spacebar.

 

The next three settings I just left alone.

 

I checked the one that says:

 

Use a web service to help with spelling.

 

I leave manage certificates alone.

 

Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.

 

We are still working with the same heading.

 

The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.

 

This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.

 

Now, we get to the next heading of settings.

 

Passwords and forms:

 

Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have

Chrome save passwords.

 

Languages Heading:

 

I did nothing with this.

 

Downloads heading:

 

This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on

your computer.

 

Printing heading:

 

I did nothing with this.

 

Accessibility heading:

 

I did nothing with this.

 

Now, we have the System heading:

 

Down arrow, and you hear:

 

Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.

 

I have this unchecked.

 

Next,

 

Use hard ware excelloration when Available.

 

I have this checked.

 

Next, you hear:

 

Open proxy settings button.

 

I left this alone.

 

Last Heading LOL!

 

Reset.

 

Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.

 

We are done with Settings.

 

Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.

 

This settings web page, opens in another tab.

 

That is it for settings.

 

Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot

see these, unless you press enter to expand these.

 

Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the

menu where we were with the settings.

 

You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the

settings choice.

 

I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help

center to get a lot of help using Chrome.

 

To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.

 

Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming

TV and Watching movies, and so on.

 

For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.

 

Lastly, All JAWS navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example,

you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS.

 

This is the end of the tutorial.

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

Windows 10

 

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Posted by: David Moore <

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Hi all, I have questions.

First, when I try to go to a web site, example, freedomscientific.com, I type in the web site, and when I hit enter, I hear, ok button. And nothing happens after that.

I also need to check my options. Like, making sure autofill is set to work. And how do you import favorites from IE? And after you have imported them, how do you get to them? I am using jaws 2019 on a windows ten computer. So far, I’m not impressed with Chrome. Smile. Jim

 


Re: Vivaldi browser

JM Casey
 

Hey.

Surprised this topic hasn’t had more interest, honestly.

But yeah, I haven’t had a lot of time to play with it more, either.

 

Does anybody else here use any other browsers aside from the Big Three or Four super-mainstream ones & Waterfox?

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of emile
Sent: February 15, 2019 9:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Vivaldi browser

 

I have tried it in an earlier version and it looked great however, with the latest version, I have to agree with you, it is cluttered.  I will go back using it again and see if I can figure out some more tweaking to make it look like the earlier version.  I will look at it again tomorrow.

Emile.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Vivaldi browser

 

With all the talk of browsers lately and which ones people are comfortable using, either from an accessibility, privacy or speed standpoint, I decided to start trying some of the alternatives out there. I’ve already had some success with Waterfox. I just installed Vivaldi and took it for a spin. First thing I noticed was that the menus are great and the browser is *extremely* customisable. But there is a lot of clutter when one looks at a page – Vivaldi’s buttons, toolbars etc, offer a lot of extensive options, but JAWS does not aware of how to differentiate this stuff from webpage content, even though the virtual viewer is active.

I’ve already disabled the panel toggle with f4, and I think that improved things a bit, but there’s still a lot of stuff there that, maybe, could be moved to another area of the screen where it’s less invasive?

The tab key also does not really seem to work as expected.

I’m aware that JAWS in particular is only set up to work properly with certain browsers, but I feel like Vivaldi could be very usable with certain tweaks. It seems so customisable that it’d be a shame if it wasn’t.

Has anybody tried it? Any thoughts?


Re: Waterfox not for 32 bit

JM Casey
 

Another popular one is opera. It’s actually been around for a very long time, but, as many other browsers have been doing, recentlya dopted Chromium-based code. Vivaldi is similar to this and I believe started out as an off-shoot of Opera.

 

Webbie is, I think, old and not supported anymore. It seemed like too much of a niche product to last. I’m not sure that giving blind people their own web browser is really a viable solution in the long term.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: February 17, 2019 9:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Waterfox not for 32 bit

 

Wow, Thanks a lot!

I can’t wait until you try some of them!

I will do a Google search to find out about other browsers that are out there!

What about Webbie?

I thought that was a browser, but am not 100 percent sure!

I do use Webie’s accessible pod catcher!

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 9:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Waterfox not for 32 bit

 

There are many other browsers, but Chrome, Firefox and Edge are probably

going to get the majority of accessibility-related development. I am

interested and I think we should have as many options as everybody else. I

just tried one called Vivaldi. It is workable but some screen-reader

features you usually expect to work don't behave normally, and there is a

lot of "clutter" from the browser that the screen-reader doesn't know how to

differentiate from webpage content. What I like about it is that its very

customisable. It's not completely unusable but I so far wouldn't recommend

it over the mainstream choices for a  blind user. I'm still going to play

with it some though, and maybe try out some of the other Chromium-based

browsers out there. There are many of them.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of

Mike Rogers

Sent: February 16, 2019 4:30 PM

To: Jaws Users List <jaws-users-list@groups.io>

Subject: [jaws-users] Waterfox not for 32 bit

 

I downloaded the file, but it doesn't open.  My tech friend researched it

and it was made for 64 bit to replace Firefox, which didn't have 64 bit at

the time.

 

Any other browsers out there, besides Chrom?  I use it, but it often stops

working and I have to switch to I.E. for a short time.

 

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www.harmonicaworkshops.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Searching for a web address in Chrome

Rebecca Lineberger
 

In Chrome, as someone said, control-o is the open file dialogue. If you press insert-b to read the dialogue box, when Chrome says, ok, you’ll find that it’s telling you that the file could not be found.  Ok to close the dialogue.

You typed in a web address, not a file name, so Chrome could not make sense of it.

Use control-l, as was suggested, or alt-d.  

 

 

 

 

 

A mind is like a parachute.  It doesn't work if it isn't open.

 


Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

Jim Rawls
 

Thanks Adrian. Jim

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Jim,

 

I’ll try to answer your specific questions, although Kevin’s copy of David Moore’s tutorial will help.

 

With regard to opening a website, you need to press control-l before typing the URL. I’m guessing you’re using control-o.

 

To import bookmarks from IE, open chrome’s menu with alt and arrow down to the bookmarks option. Press enter, then arrow up or down through the options. Experience will help you handle bookmarks more conveniently, but this will get you going.

 

I don’t remember how I got to autofill, which suggests “on” might be the default. It’s almost certainly in the “Settings’ part of the menu. Here, I’d press the alt key, then arrow up.

 

One hint that helped me at the beginning. When you open the settings page, you can skip from category to category by pressing the h for heading navigation key.

 

Once you become familiar with Chrome’s quirks, I’m confident you’ll appreciate its speed and ability to handle most websites. I was skeptical when David initially promoted it, but chrome has become pretty accessible in the past year or two.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Hi all, I have questions.

First, when I try to go to a web site, example, freedomscientific.com, I type in the web site, and when I hit enter, I hear, ok button. And nothing happens after that.

I also need to check my options. Like, making sure autofill is set to work. And how do you import favorites from IE? And after you have imported them, how do you get to them? I am using jaws 2019 on a windows ten computer. So far, I’m not impressed with Chrome. Smile. Jim


Re: trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

Gerald Levy
 


The correct command to enter a web address in Chrome is Control-L, like in Firefox, not Control-O, like in IE.


Gerald



On 2/18/2019 1:54 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:

Kevin, I read this tutorial, and am still having problems. So, I open chrome. I hit windows key up arrow to make sure the window is maximized. Then, I try to type in a web site, by hitting control O, and before I type in anything, I hear, OAkp32. I didn’t type that in, it was just there. And when I back space that out, and type in the web site I want, I hear ok button, and nothing happens after that. What the heck is going on I wonder? Jim

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Here is a tutorial that may answer a few questions!

 

 

By David Moore

Section One:

 

Launching Chrome:

 

One way to Launch Chrome, is to press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape and

type Chrome in the search edit field, and press enter when you hear JAWS

say Chrome.

 

However, since you have already downloaded Chrome, You will have a

shortcut icon on your desktop.

 

So next, find the shortcut for Chrome on your desktop, and press enter

to open Chrome.

 

The short cut will actually say Google Chrome, so press G to find the

Google Chrome icon on your desktop.

 

The first very important step, is to press Windows+up arrow to maximise

the window. Chrome often opens with the window not maximise, and you

will get undesirable results.

 

Section Two:

 

Bringing up a web site.

 

Press CTRL+L or Alt+D

 

and type the following:

 

www.freedomscientific.com

 

The Freedom Scientific web site comes up very quickly.

 

All navigation commands like: H for heading, E for edit field, C for

combo box, and so on all work just the same in Chrome.

 

Section Three:

 

The Virticle Chrome menu:

 

I will press the Alt key.

 

The Chrome menu is open.

 

This is a very large virticle menu that you just keep pressing up and

down arrow through.

 

I will press insert+up arrow to hear the first option in this menu.

 

New Tab, CTRL+T.

 

You can press that command right from the web site you are on.

 

New Window, CTRL+N

 

You can press these commands right from your web page, instead of coming

here.

 

New incognito Window.

 

History sub menu.

 

I will press right arrow here to see what is in this sub menu!

 

History, CTRL+H

 

So, there is a key command for reading your history.

 

You can read a few sites you were on right here.

 

I will press left arrow to close this history sub menu.

 

Downloads, CTRL+J

 

There is the command for opening your downloads you have downloaded with

Chrome.

 

Next, the important Bookmarks sub menu.

 

I will press right arrow, to open this.

 

I hear, bookmark this page, CTRL+D

 

That command will bookmark the page you are reading.

 

Next down arrow, says show bookmarks bar, CTRL+Shift+B

 

That command, will show your bookmarks on your Chrome browser for all to

see. I do not want that.

 

Here is the important one.

 

manage bookmarks

 

The command is, CTRL+Shift+O

 

In here, you can organize your bookmarks into folders, see the bookmarks

you have imported from different browsers, and very importantly, you can

download, to your computer, an HTML file of all of your bookmarks in Chrome.

 

On your computer, you can press enter on this file, after it downloads,

and a page will show up in Chrome with a list of all bookmarks you have

saved in Chrome. This is an awesome way to download all of your

bookmarks right to your computer, so you can back them up.

 

That is all for manage bookmarks.

 

Next, I hear import bookmarks and settings.

 

press enter on this, and you can import all bookmarks and settings from

IE, and Firefox, right into Google Chrome, and they will be in their

corresponding folders.

 

Now, I hear all of my saved bookmarks as I continue to arrow down.

 

Very important!

 

Sometimes, when I open that bookmarks sub menu, I do not land on the

choices I mension here, but instead, I start hearing my saved bookmarks.

If this happens, I press up arrow a few times, and it gets me to these

choices.

 

Keep in mind, that many of these choices, like bookmark manager, have

key commands, so you do not have to come to this bookmarks sub menu at

all. You only need to come here most of the time, to arrow through your

saved bookmarks, and enter on the desired one.

 

To save a web site as a bookmark,

 

Just press CTRL+D and press enter, and your bookmark is saved.

 

I will now press left arrow, to close the Bookmarks sub menu!

 

I will continue to down arrow through this virticle Chrome menu that we

entered by just pressing alt.

 

The next few are very self explanatory.

 

The next one I will mension, is the more tools submenu.

 

I will press right arrow on this.

 

I hear Save Page as, and the command, CTRL+S.

 

Next, Save to desktop.

 

This allows you to save the favorite of the page right to your desktop.

This is how you do this in Chrome, instead of doing this in the file

menu in IE.

 

It is hidden under this more tools submenu.

 

Clear Browsing data, and there is the key command, CTRL+Shift+Delete key.

 

Extentions, In here, you can add extentions, delete extentions and so on.

 

These are the same as add ons, in IE.

 

I will press left arrow, to close the More Tools sub menu, and we are

back to the virticle Chrome menu.

 

The last two that I will mention, are settings, and the help sub menu.

 

If you press the left arrow on the help sub menu, you can open the help

system, just like in other programs, so that is all I will say about help.

 

Now, we will press enter on settings, and a web like page will open

where the virtual cursor will turn on with JAWS, and NVDA will be in

Brows mode.

 

Section Four:

 

Adjusting Settings and Advanced settings:

 

Now that this web page is open, I will just down arrow down the page and

we will deal with each setting.

 

Important:

 

I have already signed into Chrome.

 

So now, arrow down until you hear sign into Chrome and press enter.

 

You just enter your email address and password, I think it has to be the

same email address and password that you used to set up your Google

account.

 

I am not sure about this.

 

You do not need to sign into Chrome, if you do, you can sync all of your

activity between all devices that you have Chrome on. That is the only

advantage of signing in.

 

I will continue with what I hear after you have signed in.

 

If you do not sign in, press H until you hear Appearance.

 

Each group of settings is a heading that you can get to by pressing H.

This makes it very easy, because you just press H until you hear the

group of settings you want to work with.

 

Now, because I have signed in, this is what I hear before getting to

appearance.

 

The first thing you hear:

 

Settings.

 

That is the very top of the web page.

 

Down arrow, and you hear:

 

Main Menu Button.

 

That will just take you back to the virticle menu we were in.

 

If you down arrow again, you will just hear blank.

 

Down arrow, again, and you hear:

 

Settings again, but now, this is a heading. You can get here just by

pressing H at the top of the page.

 

If you down arrow, you hear:

 

Search Settings.

 

This is where you can type in a setting that you want to change.

 

Down arrow again, and there is the edit field where you type in the

setting you want to work with.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear another heading saying people.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear David Clickable.

 

This is because I have already signed into Chrome.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear my Gmail email address.

 

Again, this is because I have already signed into Chrome to sync my

settings and all of that.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

Edit person.

 

This is where I could change my name.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

Sign Out.

 

This is because I have already signed in to Chrome.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

Sync.

 

Down arrow again, and I hear:

 

On, Sync everything.

 

This is a combo box, where you can choose what to sinc; I chose

everything in this combo box.

 

Again, all of this is because I have signed into Chrome already.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Sync button.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Manage other people clickable.

 

Don't worry about the clickables. There is a clickable for many things,

but then there is the button you enter on right after that.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Manage other people button.

 

This is what you would press enter on to set up another user.

 

Down arrow again, and you hear:

 

Import bookmarks and settings Clickable:

 

Down arrow again, and you actually hear

 

Import bookmarks and settings button.

 

Here, you press enter and import all of your bookmarks and settings from

other Browsers like IE.

 

This is another way of doing this, because remember,

 

We had a choice of manage bookmarks in the book marks sub menu in the

virticle menu.

 

There is more than one place to do things in Chrome.

 

Now, we have a series of headings, that you can just press H for

heading, to get to.

 

Now, we have gotten to the appearance heading. Down arrow and you hear:

 

themes, which I did nothing with.

 

Next, you can open the Chrome web store. You can get hundreds of

extentions, and more.

 

Then, you hear Themes button.

 

Do nothing with this.

 

Next, you hear:

 

Show home clickable.

 

Just skip that.

 

There are many buttons that say clickable, and then there is a button

that you actually press enter on to work with it.

 

Just work with the buttons, and skip over these vclickables.

 

Down arrow, and you have an edit box where you can put in your home page

you want to get to by pressing Alt+Home.

 

Next, there is the home button toggle.

 

Press the spacebar to turn this on or off. If it is on, you can have the

home button show at the top of the Chrome Window.

 

I have it checked.

 

Now, there are two radio buttons, and I chose the one to enter with a

custom web address.

 

Search Heading:

 

We are at another heading, where you can set your search Engine.

 

There is a combo box below, and I set it to Chrome, because I like to

have my searches from the address bar done with Crome instead of Bing.

 

Next heading:

 

Default Browser.

 

Here, you can choose weather you want Chrome to be your default browser

or not.

 

Just leave this alone if you do not want Chrome to be your default browser.

 

Next Important heading:

 

On Start up.

 

Here is where you put in your URL that you want to show as soon as you

start Chrome.

 

There are three radio buttons to pick from, but I chose to open with a

specific page or pages, which is the third radio button.

 

Under this, you can type in the URL of the web site that you want to

open when you start Chrome.

 

Under this, there is a link where you can add more pages you want to

show when Chrome starts up.

 

Now, we are up to the search engin heading.

 

This is a heading.

 

There are headings on this settings page.

 

I chose to use Google search engin in the address bar. This is a combo box.

 

The next heading, is on start up.

 

Finally, here is where you set up your home page.

 

There are three radio buttons here.

 

I chose the third one, to open a selected page or selected pages.

 

Next, I was able to enter:

 

www.Google.Com.

 

That is my home page that will open each time I start Chrome.

 

Next important group of settings, the advanced settings.

 

Now, you have to press enter on the advanced settings button before more

headings of settings will show.

 

The Advanced settings are collapsed, so you have to press enter to show

more headings of settings.

 

Now that these advanced settings are open, we get to the next heading of

settings.

 

There is much more we can customize under the advanced settings.

 

Privacy and security heading:

 

Down arrow from here, and you hear:

 

Use a web service to resolve navigation errors.

 

You have a clickable, and a toggle.

 

Press spacebar to toggle this on or off.

 

Again, ignore the clickables.

 

Now you have:

 

Use a prodiction service to enable you in searches.

 

I left this unchecked.

 

Next, you have a setting to speed up the loading of web pages:

 

I checked this with spacebar.

 

The next three settings I just left alone.

 

I checked the one that says:

 

Use a web service to help with spelling.

 

I leave manage certificates alone.

 

Next, you have content settings, but this is not a new heading.

 

We are still working with the same heading.

 

The only thing of interest here, is the clear history button.

 

This was available in the virtical menu, so don't worry about this.

 

Now, we get to the next heading of settings.

 

Passwords and forms:

 

Under this heading, just make sure that you check to be able to have

Chrome save passwords.

 

Languages Heading:

 

I did nothing with this.

 

Downloads heading:

 

This is where you choose where you want your downloads to be saved on

your computer.

 

Printing heading:

 

I did nothing with this.

 

Accessibility heading:

 

I did nothing with this.

 

Now, we have the System heading:

 

Down arrow, and you hear:

 

Continue running background apps, when Google Chrome is Closed.

 

I have this unchecked.

 

Next,

 

Use hard ware excelloration when Available.

 

I have this checked.

 

Next, you hear:

 

Open proxy settings button.

 

I left this alone.

 

Last Heading LOL!

 

Reset.

 

Here, you can reset all settings back to their origional.

 

We are done with Settings.

 

Now, just press CTRL+F4 to get back to the Freedom Scientific Web site.

 

This settings web page, opens in another tab.

 

That is it for settings.

 

Notice, we made a lot of changes under the advanced settings. You cannot

see these, unless you press enter to expand these.

 

Now, press the Alt key again. Up arrow once to get to the end of the

menu where we were with the settings.

 

You see exit, up arrow and you see the help sub menu, right under the

settings choice.

 

I press right arrow on this help sub menu, and you can enter on the help

center to get a lot of help using Chrome.

 

To open a web site, just press CTRL+L or Alt+D and type the URL.

 

Chrome for me, is so much quicker with web sites that involve streamming

TV and Watching movies, and so on.

 

For me, Chrome opens large news sites very quickly compared to IE.

 

Lastly, All JAWS navigation key commands work in Chrome. For example,

you can press F7 to open a list of links with JAWS.

 

This is the end of the tutorial.

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

Windows 10

 

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Posted by: David Moore <

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:02 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] trying to learn how to use Chrome and having issues.

 

Hi all, I have questions.

First, when I try to go to a web site, example, freedomscientific.com, I type in the web site, and when I hit enter, I hear, ok button. And nothing happens after that.

I also need to check my options. Like, making sure autofill is set to work. And how do you import favorites from IE? And after you have imported them, how do you get to them? I am using jaws 2019 on a windows ten computer. So far, I’m not impressed with Chrome. Smile. Jim

 


Re: Has anyone stress tested out edge lately?

JM Casey
 

I wouldn't' worry about it too much. The architecture of Edge is about to
change drastically, and as it will probably work a lot like Chrome, some of
these frustration will likely vanish. Just leave it alone for now and use
Firefox, Chrome or something else.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Van
Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: February 18, 2019 12:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Has anyone stress tested out edge lately?

I can use Edge for some things, but it gets frustrating because a number of
JAWS quick keys are not supported, nor can you toggle Quick Keys on an off
with Insert Z, or at least that's what JAWS tells me when I try to toggle.
Edge is supposed to be our default browser here at work, but I just don't
like the interface with bookmarks and the incomplete JAWS quick keys
support. It was also really verbose at first, but I figured out some
settings for that. Interestingly, I also find that certain sites don't
work well. For example. We have an company phone directory that works fine
in IE 11, but navigation in search results page is really lacking when in
Edge. JAWS will read a checkbox, but no name associated with it, so I have
to navigate to the checkbox, then arrow down once to hear the name
associated with the checkbox. I'm not a web developer, so It's still
pretty mysterious to me on why sites work well in one browser and not
another. Again, good to have multiple browsers installed; I just wish I
could sync all my bookmarks across all browsers.





-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron
Kolesar
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:03 PM
To: JAWS User's Mailing List <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Has anyone stress tested out edge lately?

Hi to all.
I stress tested out Edge today and here was the results.
First of all, MS disability hotline tells me to stay with IE 11 for now.
But I was stress testing out my role playing game with edge.
1. For some weird reason I'm constantly hearing Colum 3 or what have you and
roll 5 and so on.
Would love for that to stop and just what I want to see is up on the screen
like in IE 11.
2. I have forms mode set to auto and it will not kick in.
If anyone wants to stress test edge with the RPG, the web page is
www.truckingsim.com You will need java installed to play the game.
You also will need to think of a user name and password.
So there you have it.
Just curious to see what everyone is thinking about edge?
If I remember correctly, there's suppose to be another Win 10 Down load
coming in April.
So there you have it from Ron
In the Good Old Days of Morse Code Shorthand, 73's, AKA Best regards and or
Best Whishes, from Ron U.S. Ham Radio Station KR3DOG-PA-WCECTM Pennsylvania
West County Emergency Com-Team Manager.






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