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Re: The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi.

 

Do you mean the applications key?

The right windows key does the same thing as the left windows key – that is, open cortana/start/search box.

To get the functions of the applications key (which sometimes can be reached by right-clicking, but not always), try shift-f10.

I know some laptops have the function keys mapped to do other things, so you’ll have to make sure you have regular access to those first. I think this is what the “fn” key is usually for, but maybe see particular instructions on your laptop model.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: September 19, 2018 12:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

Re: The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

Terrie Terlau
 

Hi Judy,

Try shift F10. This usually gives you the same options as the right click. I also have found that the right mouse button in Jaws does not give you the same options.

Best,

Terrie Terlau

P.S. Would you consider doing an hour or so of Polaris tutoring for pay? I want to get up and running with email before I go to Seeing Eye next Monday. Please let me know if you would be interested.

Thanks.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

Re: Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

Judy Jones
 

Gosh, we need to be living in the Star Trek computer age.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

 

Rick:

Until that time, we will all just have to hold our breath lol.

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:20 AM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

 

I’ve seen some sites recently that simply have a checkbox you check that says “I’m not a robot.”

 

Even with some of the funny squiggly print in captchas, sighted folks have difficulty with them.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

 

Morning all,

OCR has come a very long way since I used the first Kurtz while reader in the mid-80s, but it has its limitations. CAPTCHAs are created specifically to be unidentifiable by OCR systems. Though at times, OCR can convert these, if there was a much better rate of success doing that, you can bet that the designers of CAPTCHAs would work at making even nastier ones. The auditory CAPTCHA  can often be useless especially for folks like me who also have a hearing loss.

 

A few times, I have encountered auditory CAPTCHAs with none of the background noise one usually finds. This other form speaks a simple problem or question to which the human provides an answer. There well may be ways of defeating that approach, but it would seem to be an alternative with potential. Given the numbers of visually impaired elder boomers in my generation who will develop vision loss, I hope that other methods will be created.

Rick

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

You can sometimes read the text of an image posted on facebook. Here’s what I’ve started to do.

Open the image in “full size”. This means it basically has its own browser tab.

Save the .jpg.

Recognise with jAWS.

It sometimes works.

I’ve only been using jAWS 2018 for about a week, but I noticed the oCR is much improved from JAWS 18. It’s still not of a high standard, but I can get intelligible text from an image at least some of the time.

 

Of course, a lot of things can interfere with oCR. The other day someone posted an image of a vintage horror/sci-fi movie on facebook. I did the usual oCR trick and ended up with something like “vewiuroapeiy v b r mst r 0”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I agree.  I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

this, then you can bet the companies that design Captia would work harder a making them indecipherable.

Re: Jaws ski F7

leonard morris
 

My F7 key works fine it’s just that I’m tired of having to count from left to right to get to it. I guess you can say it’s my personal irritation.

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.

On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:57 AM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:

I don't believe so. Why, does your f7 key not work?

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:23 AM
To: Jaws Users <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws ski F7

Is there an alternative key to the insert F7 key in jaws 2018 to activate links

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Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hah, we’re not all beyond CDs…some of us like to have physical copies of things. I just ordered two more today.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: September 19, 2018 12:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I am an optacon user, and I have been able to read some captchas with that, but not all.  Also some CD liners as well, although we’re beyond CDs now.

 

The one thing OCR can’t tackle yet is the words on sheet music, such as a hymnal, as the particular syllable is spaced to go under the music notation to play.  OCR mistakes the spacing for columns, and only with an optacon can a blind person get those words.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

My guess is that technology just hasn’t evolved far enough yet.

 

To this day I still can’t make much out of a lot of the weirder CD inserts/liners that I have (and I have a lot of them).

oCR usually comes up with either nothing or a jumble of garbage.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: September 19, 2018 7:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Interesting. If a sighted person can solve a capcha by looking at it, why can’t OCR be made to work?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of pasquale acquaviva via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Hi Maria,

 

I think the answer to your below question is that captchas are solved by real human beings who are sitting somewhere and providing the necessary information to you via the particular application that is being used, e.g., WebVisum). To the best of my knowledge, the particular information that is contained within the captcha cannot, as yet, be understood by a machine. If this were possible, Doctor Turing's method of circumventing machine identification of purposely weird-looking letters and numbers would be rendered absolutely pointless, and the captcha would have no inherent value.

 

As the old saying goes, "one rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel spoils the whole barrel", and we innocents who are undeserving of the precautions that are taken against such wicked perversity are made to pay dearly for it. Oh, how I wish this miserable situation were not the case in the real world, but it seems as though we must continue to suffer!

 

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 3:30:48 PM CDT, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

 

 

If Webbisum could do it, when it worked, why not VFO?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

There might be some legal concerns regarding FS implementing technology to circumvent a security measure.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I have had no end of success with Webvisum and Firefox.

 

In fact, I haven’t updated my Firefox in so long because I'm reading posts the Webvisum plug-in doesn’t work with newer versions of Firefox, but I don’t really mind much since I solely use it for CAPTCHA solving in any case, but yet.  Out of all the years I’ve been using the add-on, I’ve only failed to solve the CAPTCHA twice, and in each instance, it asked me to resubmit and the CAPTCHA was solved on the second try.

 

So, again, I’ve no idea why people rag on Webvisum so much.  Like I said, I’ve had nothing but success with it.

 

Victor

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

That seems more logical.

So if that’s the case, surely VFO could implement a similar algorithm?

I realise the idea of undermining captchas through automated means is exactly what the creators of capchas don’t want to happen, and that if we’re doing it, the robots could do it too.

But well, clearly, webvism already did so, and we (as in blind computer users) have a need.

If website builders are not going to stop using captchas, then we have to be able to solve them.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: September 19, 2018 1:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

No, he's speculating.  In the Webvisem FAQ, they state that their captcha solving is an automated, proprietary methodology.

 

Interestingly, they have their copyright updated, but I haven't seen a release of Webvisem since version 0.9.1.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:08 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

That’s interesting.

So, whether webvism works or not, is entirely dependent on whether there’s a human being on the other end to answer it?

That seems strange because others report it works almost instantly.

I, of course, never succeeded in solving anything with it, and always got the “no captcha found” message.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of pasquale acquaviva via Groups.Io
Sent: September 19, 2018 12:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Hi Maria,

 

I think the answer to your below question is that captchas are solved by real human beings who are sitting somewhere and providing the necessary information to you via the particular application that is being used, e.g., WebVisum). To the best of my knowledge, the particular information that is contained within the captcha cannot, as yet, be understood by a machine. If this were possible, Doctor Turing's method of circumventing machine identification of purposely weird-looking letters and numbers would be rendered absolutely pointless, and the captcha would have no inherent value.

 

As the old saying goes, "one rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel spoils the whole barrel", and we innocents who are undeserving of the precautions that are taken against such wicked perversity are made to pay dearly for it. Oh, how I wish this miserable situation were not the case in the real world, but it seems as though we must continue to suffer!

 

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 3:30:48 PM CDT, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

 

 

If Webbisum could do it, when it worked, why not VFO?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

There might be some legal concerns regarding FS implementing technology to circumvent a security measure.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I have had no end of success with Webvisum and Firefox.

 

In fact, I haven’t updated my Firefox in so long because I'm reading posts the Webvisum plug-in doesn’t work with newer versions of Firefox, but I don’t really mind much since I solely use it for CAPTCHA solving in any case, but yet.  Out of all the years I’ve been using the add-on, I’ve only failed to solve the CAPTCHA twice, and in each instance, it asked me to resubmit and the CAPTCHA was solved on the second try.

 

So, again, I’ve no idea why people rag on Webvisum so much.  Like I said, I’ve had nothing but success with it.

 

Victor

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

Re: The F7 key

leonard morris
 

Remapping that keystroke sound like a good idea. I am wondering does Jaws Use insert tab for anything?

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.

On Sep 19, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:

Not that I am aware of, but I have to use insert + F7 so often on my work
software, in order for it to even work with a screenreader, that I remapped
that keystroke to use:
windows + alt + L
and that displays all my links.
I did this in keyboard manager I believe.
HTH.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "leonard morris" <lmorris1953@...>
To: "Jaws Users" <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:21 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] The F7 key


Is there an alternative key to the F7 key in jaws 2018 to activate links

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique
landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.




Re: Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

ely.r@...
 

Judy,

I never thought to check to see if there is visible text on the “I am not a robot.” Next time I run into one, I will check and post. How cool would it be if that were the case and only screen reader users would know about it.

Rick

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

 

I’ve seen some sites recently that simply have a checkbox you check that says “I’m not a robot.”

 

Even with some of the funny squiggly print in captchas, sighted folks have difficulty with them.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

 

Morning all,

OCR has come a very long way since I used the first Kurtz while reader in the mid-80s, but it has its limitations. CAPTCHAs are created specifically to be unidentifiable by OCR systems. Though at times, OCR can convert these, if there was a much better rate of success doing that, you can bet that the designers of CAPTCHAs would work at making even nastier ones. The auditory CAPTCHA  can often be useless especially for folks like me who also have a hearing loss.

 

A few times, I have encountered auditory CAPTCHAs with none of the background noise one usually finds. This other form speaks a simple problem or question to which the human provides an answer. There well may be ways of defeating that approach, but it would seem to be an alternative with potential. Given the numbers of visually impaired elder boomers in my generation who will develop vision loss, I hope that other methods will be created.

Rick

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

You can sometimes read the text of an image posted on facebook. Here’s what I’ve started to do.

Open the image in “full size”. This means it basically has its own browser tab.

Save the .jpg.

Recognise with jAWS.

It sometimes works.

I’ve only been using jAWS 2018 for about a week, but I noticed the oCR is much improved from JAWS 18. It’s still not of a high standard, but I can get intelligible text from an image at least some of the time.

 

Of course, a lot of things can interfere with oCR. The other day someone posted an image of a vintage horror/sci-fi movie on facebook. I did the usual oCR trick and ended up with something like “vewiuroapeiy v b r mst r 0”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I agree.  I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

this, then you can bet the companies that design Captia would work harder a making them indecipherable.

Re: IE and Edge

inam din
 

Dear, for our satisfaction please let us know that which version of windows you are using?

Because I have 4 browsers installed in my system and all rousers are showing for me!Write it as I’m typing!

Windows 10 version 18.03 build OS17134.286

For that, type win+r and type winver

JAWS will let you know everything!With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

 

It is nice to be important but it is more important to be nice!

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From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> on behalf of Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:37:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] IE and Edge
 
FYI. New update of W10 in the default app for internet now olny shows edge. No more IE. I updated W10 this morning and new show that in default app.

Holger Fiallo

Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

Steve
 


No, he's speculating.  In the Webvisem FAQ, they state that their captcha solving is an automated, proprietary methodology.
 
Interestingly, they have their copyright updated, but I haven't seen a release of Webvisem since version 0.9.1.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

That’s interesting.

So, whether webvism works or not, is entirely dependent on whether there’s a human being on the other end to answer it?

That seems strange because others report it works almost instantly.

I, of course, never succeeded in solving anything with it, and always got the “no captcha found” message.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of pasquale acquaviva via Groups.Io
Sent: September 19, 2018 12:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Hi Maria,

 

I think the answer to your below question is that captchas are solved by real human beings who are sitting somewhere and providing the necessary information to you via the particular application that is being used, e.g., WebVisum). To the best of my knowledge, the particular information that is contained within the captcha cannot, as yet, be understood by a machine. If this were possible, Doctor Turing's method of circumventing machine identification of purposely weird-looking letters and numbers would be rendered absolutely pointless, and the captcha would have no inherent value.

 

As the old saying goes, "one rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel spoils the whole barrel", and we innocents who are undeserving of the precautions that are taken against such wicked perversity are made to pay dearly for it. Oh, how I wish this miserable situation were not the case in the real world, but it seems as though we must continue to suffer!

 

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 3:30:48 PM CDT, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

 

 

If Webbisum could do it, when it worked, why not VFO?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

There might be some legal concerns regarding FS implementing technology to circumvent a security measure.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I have had no end of success with Webvisum and Firefox.

 

In fact, I haven’t updated my Firefox in so long because I'm reading posts the Webvisum plug-in doesn’t work with newer versions of Firefox, but I don’t really mind much since I solely use it for CAPTCHA solving in any case, but yet.  Out of all the years I’ve been using the add-on, I’ve only failed to solve the CAPTCHA twice, and in each instance, it asked me to resubmit and the CAPTCHA was solved on the second try.

 

So, again, I’ve no idea why people rag on Webvisum so much.  Like I said, I’ve had nothing but success with it.

 

Victor

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

Judy Jones
 

I am an optacon user, and I have been able to read some captchas with that, but not all.  Also some CD liners as well, although we’re beyond CDs now.

 

The one thing OCR can’t tackle yet is the words on sheet music, such as a hymnal, as the particular syllable is spaced to go under the music notation to play.  OCR mistakes the spacing for columns, and only with an optacon can a blind person get those words.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

My guess is that technology just hasn’t evolved far enough yet.

 

To this day I still can’t make much out of a lot of the weirder CD inserts/liners that I have (and I have a lot of them).

oCR usually comes up with either nothing or a jumble of garbage.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: September 19, 2018 7:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Interesting. If a sighted person can solve a capcha by looking at it, why can’t OCR be made to work?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of pasquale acquaviva via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Hi Maria,

 

I think the answer to your below question is that captchas are solved by real human beings who are sitting somewhere and providing the necessary information to you via the particular application that is being used, e.g., WebVisum). To the best of my knowledge, the particular information that is contained within the captcha cannot, as yet, be understood by a machine. If this were possible, Doctor Turing's method of circumventing machine identification of purposely weird-looking letters and numbers would be rendered absolutely pointless, and the captcha would have no inherent value.

 

As the old saying goes, "one rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel spoils the whole barrel", and we innocents who are undeserving of the precautions that are taken against such wicked perversity are made to pay dearly for it. Oh, how I wish this miserable situation were not the case in the real world, but it seems as though we must continue to suffer!

 

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 3:30:48 PM CDT, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

 

 

If Webbisum could do it, when it worked, why not VFO?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

There might be some legal concerns regarding FS implementing technology to circumvent a security measure.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I have had no end of success with Webvisum and Firefox.

 

In fact, I haven’t updated my Firefox in so long because I'm reading posts the Webvisum plug-in doesn’t work with newer versions of Firefox, but I don’t really mind much since I solely use it for CAPTCHA solving in any case, but yet.  Out of all the years I’ve been using the add-on, I’ve only failed to solve the CAPTCHA twice, and in each instance, it asked me to resubmit and the CAPTCHA was solved on the second try.

 

So, again, I’ve no idea why people rag on Webvisum so much.  Like I said, I’ve had nothing but success with it.

 

Victor

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

Re: The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

Timothy Appleby
 

Hi there, You can use shift f-10 to accomplish that task, for example, if you want to place shortcut on the desktop for a folder and or an existing file, press shift-10 then arrow down until you hear send to, several options populate, select desktop to place that particular icon onto the desktop.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Timothy

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

Dennis L
 

It would be nice if they could look at this again and see if it is possible.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Not sure why, but I find that a bit difficult to swallow.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

 

Eric has insisted for many years that adding a captchaa-solving feature to JAWS is not technically possible.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:42 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

Re: JAWS 2019 Initial Thoughts

Sadam Ahmed
 

I've just finished catching up on this thread and wanted to chime in with my own impressions.

I installed the beta on the office PC and thus far very happy with how responsive Jfw is specially when browsing the web.

Even dealing with lots of email in Thunderbird is greatly improved.

In my experience, from time to time under version 2018 if I moved up and down in the list of messages, speech would hang occasionally. 

Those are the 2 examples that come to mind.

The release notes mention greater responsiveness in office, which I'm looking forward to trying out, both via  speech, and braille.   

Finally, I am not having any issues regarding announcement of a background Window.

Running Windows 10 (OS Build 17134.285).

No Vipre software.

Best,

Sadam Ahmed
      
On 9/19/2018 8:49 PM, george b wrote:

Which version of viper do you chris?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris G
Sent: September 19, 2018 3:44
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS 2019 Initial Thoughts

 

Mine took that long as well under Windows 10.

 

I had Vipre Antivirus active at the time, not sure if that would make a difference.

 


From: Marek Durila
Sent: Wed, Sep 19, 2018 3:00 AM EDT
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] JAWS 2019 Initial Thoughts

Hi,
I hat only problem that installation on t450 lenovo with 8 giga ram and SSD in win 7 pro 64 bit taken about 35, 45 minutes.
This I will report to VFO as a bug don't understand why so long because Jaws 2018 and 18 was installed there was not necessary install ocr or it was updated as well?


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"Rose" ---18.09.2018 18:18:14---So far I am not having that problem but faster download did not happen and loading faster so far is

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To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Date: 18.09.2018 18:18
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS 2019 Initial Thoughts
Sent by: jaws-users-list@groups.io





So far I am not having that problem but faster download did not happen and loading faster so far is not happening.


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Sent:
Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:34 AM
To:
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Subject:
[jaws-users] JAWS 2019 Initial Thoughts

Hi friends,

Just downloaded the initial version.
I Am having some feedback from what would seem to be a background window e.g. when I am in Microsoft Outlook 2016 opening messages etc, JAWS seems to keep saying JAWS For Windows for some reason.
It also doesn’t read the automatic email address suggestions when you are typing a new message, in the to box.
Not sure if anyone else has found any similar issues?



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Re: Key label Mute

Bob Hicks
 

Having used both WE and JFW, I can see the strengths of both. It is whatever you get used to that works best for you.

Have a great day, 73

Bob Hicks, KC8CR

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Key label Mute

Always more than one way to do everything. Smile. In the search box, it made sense to me to type k for keyboard or key labels. If I'd thought of m for manage key labels, it would have cut out some steps.
JAWS is not any more difficult than the Window-Eyes control panel was. W-E users knew it because we were used to it, but when I tutored someone trying to learn the W-E free version for Office, she found Window-Eyes much more complicated than JAWS.
As always, the more we know about the programs we use, the better. Smile.
Rebecca
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 5:26 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Key label Mute

Hi, Matt. Getting there, getting there <grin>. I used to be (and sometimes still am) a Window-Eyes user. While it hads its faults, in many ways it's much more efficient to use and change.--Matt (the other)



On 9/18/2018 4:26 PM, matthew dyer wrote:
Hi,

Lets try this. Go to the settings center with JAWS+6 on the number row.
Now press ctrl+shift+D to load the default settings.
Now type manage in the search box and manage key lable show up in the results. Arrow down to manage key lables. From there you should be able to select what kkeys you want spoken and what you don't. When your done just tab to ok and press enter. HTH.

Matthew



-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf
Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 4:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Key label Mute

Hi, Again, Rebecca. See what I mean about too many keystrokes? Could
be a lot more efficient. Thanks for the info, though. Too much noise
with all those keys spoken.--Matt.



On 9/17/2018 4:06 PM, Rebecca Lineberger wrote:
Matthew,
Press JAWS-f2.
For Run JAWS Manager.
Press s (as in Sam) twice for
Settings Center.
Press enter.
Shift tab back once and press home for default all applications, or
press control-shift-d.
In the search edit box, type
K e y b (no spaces when you type)
That should be enough of the word keyboard to display the results.
There should be five results.
Arrow down to keyboard
And press enter.
JAWS says, Keyboard, closed
Press right arrow to open it.
Arrow down to
General. Closed,
And press right arrow to open it.
Arrow down to
Manage key labels.
Press the space bar. If you press enter, it will throw you out!
Press t for tab. JAWS should tell you that the tab speaks. Tab once
and press the space bar to mute the tab key.
Press r for return and tab once and press the space bar to mute the
enter key.
I did not mute the function keys but you can arrow through the 84
items and mute what you choose.
It will say that the shift key speaks, but mine does not When you’re
done, tab to ok and press enter. Tab to ok again and press enter.
I hope I’ve got all this straight! LOL.
HTH.
Rebecca

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Key label Mute

Hi, Rebecca. I want to do exactly what you did. I'm a Window-Eyes
user, and use JAWS kicking and screaming. I don't like all the keys
spoken, and have not been able to silence them all. How do I do that
in the fewest possible keystrokes? Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao



On 9/17/2018 1:39 PM, Rebecca Lineberger wrote:
Since the tab key will be silent in JAWS 2019, I decided to turn it
off in my current 2018.

Muting the tab key also mutes the shift, control and alt keys.� I
also muted the return or enter key.� Window-Eyes users will
appreciate this configuration since these keys were all muted in
Window-Eyes.

When I switched to JAWS, I left JAWS as it was since I felt it would
give me confirmation in learning the different keyboard commands,
but now that I�ve turned them off, I appreciate the silence.� Smile.

I just pressed alt-f7 to spell-check this message, and JAWS spoke
both keys.� It does not say alt when the key is pressed alone, nor
when alt is pressed with the tab key.

I imagine that if I muted the function keys, then the spell-check
message would just read without any key confirmation.

Just FYI and something to play with.� Smile.

Rebecca

A mind is like a parachute.� It doesn't work if it isn't open.










Re: Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

JERRY MARTIN
 

Rick:
Until that time, we will all just have to hold our breath lol.
 
 

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 11:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry
 

I’ve seen some sites recently that simply have a checkbox you check that says “I’m not a robot.”

 

Even with some of the funny squiggly print in captchas, sighted folks have difficulty with them.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

 

Morning all,

OCR has come a very long way since I used the first Kurtz while reader in the mid-80s, but it has its limitations. CAPTCHAs are created specifically to be unidentifiable by OCR systems. Though at times, OCR can convert these, if there was a much better rate of success doing that, you can bet that the designers of CAPTCHAs would work at making even nastier ones. The auditory CAPTCHA  can often be useless especially for folks like me who also have a hearing loss.

 

A few times, I have encountered auditory CAPTCHAs with none of the background noise one usually finds. This other form speaks a simple problem or question to which the human provides an answer. There well may be ways of defeating that approach, but it would seem to be an alternative with potential. Given the numbers of visually impaired elder boomers in my generation who will develop vision loss, I hope that other methods will be created.

Rick

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

You can sometimes read the text of an image posted on facebook. Here’s what I’ve started to do.

Open the image in “full size”. This means it basically has its own browser tab.

Save the .jpg.

Recognise with jAWS.

It sometimes works.

I’ve only been using jAWS 2018 for about a week, but I noticed the oCR is much improved from JAWS 18. It’s still not of a high standard, but I can get intelligible text from an image at least some of the time.

 

Of course, a lot of things can interfere with oCR. The other day someone posted an image of a vintage horror/sci-fi movie on facebook. I did the usual oCR trick and ended up with something like “vewiuroapeiy v b r mst r 0”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I agree.  I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

this, then you can bet the companies that design Captia would work harder a making them indecipherable.

Re: Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

Judy Jones
 

I’ve seen some sites recently that simply have a checkbox you check that says “I’m not a robot.”

 

Even with some of the funny squiggly print in captchas, sighted folks have difficulty with them.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of ely.r@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

 

Morning all,

OCR has come a very long way since I used the first Kurtz while reader in the mid-80s, but it has its limitations. CAPTCHAs are created specifically to be unidentifiable by OCR systems. Though at times, OCR can convert these, if there was a much better rate of success doing that, you can bet that the designers of CAPTCHAs would work at making even nastier ones. The auditory CAPTCHA  can often be useless especially for folks like me who also have a hearing loss.

 

A few times, I have encountered auditory CAPTCHAs with none of the background noise one usually finds. This other form speaks a simple problem or question to which the human provides an answer. There well may be ways of defeating that approach, but it would seem to be an alternative with potential. Given the numbers of visually impaired elder boomers in my generation who will develop vision loss, I hope that other methods will be created.

Rick

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

You can sometimes read the text of an image posted on facebook. Here’s what I’ve started to do.

Open the image in “full size”. This means it basically has its own browser tab.

Save the .jpg.

Recognise with jAWS.

It sometimes works.

I’ve only been using jAWS 2018 for about a week, but I noticed the oCR is much improved from JAWS 18. It’s still not of a high standard, but I can get intelligible text from an image at least some of the time.

 

Of course, a lot of things can interfere with oCR. The other day someone posted an image of a vintage horror/sci-fi movie on facebook. I did the usual oCR trick and ended up with something like “vewiuroapeiy v b r mst r 0”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I agree.  I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

this, then you can bet the companies that design Captia would work harder a making them indecipherable.

Re: IE and Edge

Judy Jones
 

How is Edge working now with Jaws?  I switch back and forth between Google  Chrome and IE.

 

Judy

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 9:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] IE and Edge

 

FYI. New update of W10 in the default app for internet now olny shows edge. No more IE. I updated W10 this morning and new show that in default app.

Holger Fiallo

The Dell computer doesn't have a right-windows key.

Judy Jones
 

One of the computers we now have is a Dell, and this laptop does not have a right-windows button.  I’ve tried the right-mouse button, hoping to come up with the same options, but they are not the same.  For instance, to make a shortcut key to an app on the desktop, I have always right-clicked with the right-windows button, gon into Properties, and the Shortcut Key tab.  However, the right-mouse button on this dell does not get me to the properties.

 

So I guess I’m asking two questions.  1) What is the equivalent of the right-windows button on this Dell, and how can I creat shortcut keys on the desktop without right-clicking.  Again, the right-mouse button does not offer the same options.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Judy

 

Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

Douglas C. DeCamp
 

The entire purpose of a Captcha is to ensure a human being is making the decision.  If any computer program such as JAWS OCR could solve the Catpcha the Captcha  is by definition defective and needs to be made more difficult. I believe this is the reason it should not be technically  possible for JAWS to solve a Captcha.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I agree.  I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry