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Re: The F7 key

Glenn / Lenny
 

Not that I am aware of, but I have to use insert + F7 so often on my work
software, in order for it to even work with a screenreader, that I remapped
that keystroke to use:
windows + alt + L
and that displays all my links.
I did this in keyboard manager I believe.
HTH.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "leonard morris" <lmorris1953@...>
To: "Jaws Users" <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:21 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] The F7 key


Is there an alternative key to the F7 key in jaws 2018 to activate links

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique
landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.


Re: Jaws ski F7

chris judge
 

I don't believe so. Why, does your f7 key not work?

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:23 AM
To: Jaws Users <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws ski F7

Is there an alternative key to the insert F7 key in jaws 2018 to activate links

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.


Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

My guess is that technology just hasn’t evolved far enough yet.

 

To this day I still can’t make much out of a lot of the weirder CD inserts/liners that I have (and I have a lot of them).

oCR usually comes up with either nothing or a jumble of garbage.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: September 19, 2018 7:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Interesting. If a sighted person can solve a capcha by looking at it, why can’t OCR be made to work?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of pasquale acquaviva via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Hi Maria,

 

I think the answer to your below question is that captchas are solved by real human beings who are sitting somewhere and providing the necessary information to you via the particular application that is being used, e.g., WebVisum). To the best of my knowledge, the particular information that is contained within the captcha cannot, as yet, be understood by a machine. If this were possible, Doctor Turing's method of circumventing machine identification of purposely weird-looking letters and numbers would be rendered absolutely pointless, and the captcha would have no inherent value.

 

As the old saying goes, "one rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel spoils the whole barrel", and we innocents who are undeserving of the precautions that are taken against such wicked perversity are made to pay dearly for it. Oh, how I wish this miserable situation were not the case in the real world, but it seems as though we must continue to suffer!

 

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 3:30:48 PM CDT, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

 

 

If Webbisum could do it, when it worked, why not VFO?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

There might be some legal concerns regarding FS implementing technology to circumvent a security measure.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I have had no end of success with Webvisum and Firefox.

 

In fact, I haven’t updated my Firefox in so long because I'm reading posts the Webvisum plug-in doesn’t work with newer versions of Firefox, but I don’t really mind much since I solely use it for CAPTCHA solving in any case, but yet.  Out of all the years I’ve been using the add-on, I’ve only failed to solve the CAPTCHA twice, and in each instance, it asked me to resubmit and the CAPTCHA was solved on the second try.

 

So, again, I’ve no idea why people rag on Webvisum so much.  Like I said, I’ve had nothing but success with it.

 

Victor

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 


Re: Previous CAPTCHA Inquiry

ely.r@...
 

Morning all,

OCR has come a very long way since I used the first Kurtz while reader in the mid-80s, but it has its limitations. CAPTCHAs are created specifically to be unidentifiable by OCR systems. Though at times, OCR can convert these, if there was a much better rate of success doing that, you can bet that the designers of CAPTCHAs would work at making even nastier ones. The auditory CAPTCHA  can often be useless especially for folks like me who also have a hearing loss.

 

A few times, I have encountered auditory CAPTCHAs with none of the background noise one usually finds. This other form speaks a simple problem or question to which the human provides an answer. There well may be ways of defeating that approach, but it would seem to be an alternative with potential. Given the numbers of visually impaired elder boomers in my generation who will develop vision loss, I hope that other methods will be created.

Rick

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

You can sometimes read the text of an image posted on facebook. Here’s what I’ve started to do.

Open the image in “full size”. This means it basically has its own browser tab.

Save the .jpg.

Recognise with jAWS.

It sometimes works.

I’ve only been using jAWS 2018 for about a week, but I noticed the oCR is much improved from JAWS 18. It’s still not of a high standard, but I can get intelligible text from an image at least some of the time.

 

Of course, a lot of things can interfere with oCR. The other day someone posted an image of a vintage horror/sci-fi movie on facebook. I did the usual oCR trick and ended up with something like “vewiuroapeiy v b r mst r 0”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I agree.  I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

this, then you can bet the companies that design Captia would work harder a making them indecipherable.


IE and Edge

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

FYI. New update of W10 in the default app for internet now olny shows edge. No more IE. I updated W10 this morning and new show that in default app.

Holger Fiallo


Re: SMAs and multiple computers

chris judge
 

This isn’t new, it’s been this way since the introduction of the ILM licensing scheme in, I believe it was jaws 6. This means you can authorize up to three computers using the same ILM.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Hicks
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 10:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] SMAs and multiple computers

 

I thought I heard Eric say that you can use jaws on 3 computers with 1 authorization.

 

Have a great day, 73

 

Bob Hicks, KC8CR

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of matthew dyer
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] SMAs and multiple computers

 

Hi,

 

If you authorize jsaws on 2 pcs, it will use 2 of your authorizations.  Your SMA has nothing to do with it.  If you upgrade to 2019 when it is offishelly out, it will use 1 SMA if you have one.

 

HTH.

Matthew

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of wayne smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] SMAs and multiple computers

 

Hello all- If I download the latest version for 2 computers does that use up 2SMAs?

 

Wayne


Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

chris judge
 

Is capcha be gone no longer an option?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

No.

Webvism does not work with any Quantum version of Firefox, which at this point, is pretty much what everyone should be using.

Of course you could install a portable older version of firefox and run it on there as a backup just to solve capchas, which I have heard some people are doing.

However I never succeeded in getting Wibvism to work, in any way, with any version of Firefox. I think it’s days are over. Someone on another list called it “abandonware” and indeed, whoever developed it seems to have left the project in the dust.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: September 19, 2018 7:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Last time I checked, Web visum isn't working with Firefox anymore.  Has this changed in the last six months or so?  I remember that it was working and then stopped again.

 

On 9/19/2018 7:05 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I don’t think Webvisum relies on live human operators to solve captchas.  My understanding is that this add-on uses a proprietary algorithm to solve captchas, which explains why it doesn’t always work.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:32 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Hi Maria,

 

I think the answer to your below question is that captchas are solved by real human beings who are sitting somewhere and providing the necessary information to you via the particular application that is being used, e.g., WebVisum). To the best of my knowledge, the particular information that is contained within the captcha cannot, as yet, be understood by a machine. If this were possible, Doctor Turing's method of circumventing machine identification of purposely weird-looking letters and numbers would be rendered absolutely pointless, and the captcha would have no inherent value.

 

As the old saying goes, "one rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel spoils the whole barrel", and we innocents who are undeserving of the precautions that are taken against such wicked perversity are made to pay dearly for it. Oh, how I wish this miserable situation were not the case in the real world, but it seems as though we must continue to suffer!

 

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 3:30:48 PM CDT, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

 

 

If Webbisum could do it, when it worked, why not VFO?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

There might be some legal concerns regarding FS implementing technology to circumvent a security measure.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I have had no end of success with Webvisum and Firefox.

 

In fact, I haven’t updated my Firefox in so long because I'm reading posts the Webvisum plug-in doesn’t work with newer versions of Firefox, but I don’t really mind much since I solely use it for CAPTCHA solving in any case, but yet.  Out of all the years I’ve been using the add-on, I’ve only failed to solve the CAPTCHA twice, and in each instance, it asked me to resubmit and the CAPTCHA was solved on the second try.

 

So, again, I’ve no idea why people rag on Webvisum so much.  Like I said, I’ve had nothing but success with it.

 

Victor

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

 


Re: SMAs and multiple computers

Bob Hicks
 

I thought I heard Eric say that you can use jaws on 3 computers with 1 authorization.

 

Have a great day, 73

 

Bob Hicks, KC8CR

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of matthew dyer
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:46 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] SMAs and multiple computers

 

Hi,

 

If you authorize jsaws on 2 pcs, it will use 2 of your authorizations.  Your SMA has nothing to do with it.  If you upgrade to 2019 when it is offishelly out, it will use 1 SMA if you have one.

 

HTH.

Matthew

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of wayne smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] SMAs and multiple computers

 

Hello all- If I download the latest version for 2 computers does that use up 2SMAs?

 

Wayne


Re: JFW 2019, so far

Mike B. <mb76nordic@...>
 

Hi Ann,
 
Yes, the Tab key has been muted by default.  You can turn it on again in Settings Center default all applications / Manage key labels.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 5:15 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] JFW 2019, so far

A couple of things I have noticed.

1. No speaking of "alt-tab" between screens.
2. Automatic speaking of auto-completed addresses in Internet Explorer.
3. The settings transfer from JFW 2018 included not only settings but
third-party scripts for my out-dated email client.  Hur raw!
4. When in an edit field including more than one line, JFW now says
'multi-line",.

So far it is very stable and wonderfully cooperative.




Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

You can sometimes read the text of an image posted on facebook. Here’s what I’ve started to do.

Open the image in “full size”. This means it basically has its own browser tab.

Save the .jpg.

Recognise with jAWS.

It sometimes works.

I’ve only been using jAWS 2018 for about a week, but I noticed the oCR is much improved from JAWS 18. It’s still not of a high standard, but I can get intelligible text from an image at least some of the time.

 

Of course, a lot of things can interfere with oCR. The other day someone posted an image of a vintage horror/sci-fi movie on facebook. I did the usual oCR trick and ended up with something like “vewiuroapeiy v b r mst r 0”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: September 19, 2018 9:34 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I agree.  I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 


Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

Dennis L
 

I agree.  I hope with adding more OCR that will be possible as well as reading the text of images posted on things like face book.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 


Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

Glenn / Lenny
 


Probably for the same reason it cannot read handwriting.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

Interesting. If a sighted person can solve a capcha by looking at it, why can’t OCR be made to work?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of pasquale acquaviva via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Hi Maria,

 

I think the answer to your below question is that captchas are solved by real human beings who are sitting somewhere and providing the necessary information to you via the particular application that is being used, e.g., WebVisum). To the best of my knowledge, the particular information that is contained within the captcha cannot, as yet, be understood by a machine. If this were possible, Doctor Turing's method of circumventing machine identification of purposely weird-looking letters and numbers would be rendered absolutely pointless, and the captcha would have no inherent value.

 

As the old saying goes, "one rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel spoils the whole barrel", and we innocents who are undeserving of the precautions that are taken against such wicked perversity are made to pay dearly for it. Oh, how I wish this miserable situation were not the case in the real world, but it seems as though we must continue to suffer!

 

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 3:30:48 PM CDT, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

 

 

If Webbisum could do it, when it worked, why not VFO?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

There might be some legal concerns regarding FS implementing technology to circumvent a security measure.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I have had no end of success with Webvisum and Firefox.

 

In fact, I haven’t updated my Firefox in so long because I'm reading posts the Webvisum plug-in doesn’t work with newer versions of Firefox, but I don’t really mind much since I solely use it for CAPTCHA solving in any case, but yet.  Out of all the years I’ve been using the add-on, I’ve only failed to solve the CAPTCHA twice, and in each instance, it asked me to resubmit and the CAPTCHA was solved on the second try.

 

So, again, I’ve no idea why people rag on Webvisum so much.  Like I said, I’ve had nothing but success with it.

 

Victor

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 


Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

Gerald Levy
 

 
I know Captcha Be Gone relies on human operators, but not sure about Rumola.  Webvisum definitely does not rely on human operators, and instead uses a proprietary algorithm, as I mentioned previously, which is why it doesn’t always work.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry
 

That’s interesting.

So, whether webvism works or not, is entirely dependent on whether there’s a human being on the other end to answer it?

That seems strange because others report it works almost instantly.

I, of course, never succeeded in solving anything with it, and always got the “no captcha found” message.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of pasquale acquaviva via Groups.Io
Sent: September 19, 2018 12:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Hi Maria,

 

I think the answer to your below question is that captchas are solved by real human beings who are sitting somewhere and providing the necessary information to you via the particular application that is being used, e.g., WebVisum). To the best of my knowledge, the particular information that is contained within the captcha cannot, as yet, be understood by a machine. If this were possible, Doctor Turing's method of circumventing machine identification of purposely weird-looking letters and numbers would be rendered absolutely pointless, and the captcha would have no inherent value.

 

As the old saying goes, "one rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel spoils the whole barrel", and we innocents who are undeserving of the precautions that are taken against such wicked perversity are made to pay dearly for it. Oh, how I wish this miserable situation were not the case in the real world, but it seems as though we must continue to suffer!

 

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 3:30:48 PM CDT, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

 

 

If Webbisum could do it, when it worked, why not VFO?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

There might be some legal concerns regarding FS implementing technology to circumvent a security measure.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I have had no end of success with Webvisum and Firefox.

 

In fact, I haven’t updated my Firefox in so long because I'm reading posts the Webvisum plug-in doesn’t work with newer versions of Firefox, but I don’t really mind much since I solely use it for CAPTCHA solving in any case, but yet.  Out of all the years I’ve been using the add-on, I’ve only failed to solve the CAPTCHA twice, and in each instance, it asked me to resubmit and the CAPTCHA was solved on the second try.

 

So, again, I’ve no idea why people rag on Webvisum so much.  Like I said, I’ve had nothing but success with it.

 

Victor

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 


JAWS 17 and drop downs in Excel spreadsheets

Kathryn.Frederick@ood.ohio.gov
 

Good Morning,

 

I’m running Windows 8.1 with JAWS 17.0.1010 and Microsoft Office 2013, (this is my employer’s computer configuration). Keeping this in mind, I’ve encountered some Excel spreadsheets over the past week that contain drop down boxes. JAWS reads “press alt+down arrow to open the list”, but once I’m in the list, JAWS does not announce the items as I arrow through and attempt to make a selection. Any thoughts on resolving this issue/advising the creators of the spreadsheet how to make it more accessible are much appreciated.

 

Thank you,

 

Katie Frederick

Program Administrator

Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired

Opportunities for Ohioans with Disabilities

150E. Campus View BLVD. Suite 300 (Third Floor)

Columbus, OH

43235

Phone: (614) 438-1260

Email: Kathryn.Frederick@...

 


JFW 2019, so far

Ann Byrne
 

A couple of things I have noticed.

1. No speaking of "alt-tab" between screens.
2. Automatic speaking of auto-completed addresses in Internet Explorer.
3. The settings transfer from JFW 2018 included not only settings but third-party scripts for my out-dated email client. Hur raw!
4. When in an edit field including more than one line, JFW now says 'multi-line",.

So far it is very stable and wonderfully cooperative.


Re: The F7 key

Adrian Spratt
 

The F7 key does not activate links. On IE (but not Chrome) webpages, it can turn caret browsing on or off.
To bring up a list of links, F7 is combined with the JAWS key.

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From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:22 AM
To: Jaws Users <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] The F7 key

Is there an alternative key to the F7 key in jaws 2018 to activate links

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Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

Gerald Levy
 

 
The last version of Firefox that works with Webvisum is Firefox 52 ESR.
 
Gerald
 
 
 

From: cecropia64
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry
 

Last time I checked, Web visum isn't working with Firefox anymore.  Has this changed in the last six months or so?  I remember that it was working and then stopped again.


On 9/19/2018 7:05 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
 
I don’t think Webvisum relies on live human operators to solve captchas.  My understanding is that this add-on uses a proprietary algorithm to solve captchas, which explains why it doesn’t always work.
 
Gerald
 
 
 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry
 
Hi Maria,
 
I think the answer to your below question is that captchas are solved by real human beings who are sitting somewhere and providing the necessary information to you via the particular application that is being used, e.g., WebVisum). To the best of my knowledge, the particular information that is contained within the captcha cannot, as yet, be understood by a machine. If this were possible, Doctor Turing's method of circumventing machine identification of purposely weird-looking letters and numbers would be rendered absolutely pointless, and the captcha would have no inherent value.
 
As the old saying goes, "one rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel spoils the whole barrel", and we innocents who are undeserving of the precautions that are taken against such wicked perversity are made to pay dearly for it. Oh, how I wish this miserable situation were not the case in the real world, but it seems as though we must continue to suffer!
 
On Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 3:30:48 PM CDT, Maria Campbell mailto:lucky1inct@... wrote:
 
 

If Webbisum could do it, when it worked, why not VFO?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 9/18/2018 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:
There might be some legal concerns regarding FS implementing technology to circumvent a security measure.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry
 
I have had no end of success with Webvisum and Firefox.
 
In fact, I haven’t updated my Firefox in so long because I'm reading posts the Webvisum plug-in doesn’t work with newer versions of Firefox, but I don’t really mind much since I solely use it for CAPTCHA solving in any case, but yet.  Out of all the years I’ve been using the add-on, I’ve only failed to solve the CAPTCHA twice, and in each instance, it asked me to resubmit and the CAPTCHA was solved on the second try.
 
So, again, I’ve no idea why people rag on Webvisum so much.  Like I said, I’ve had nothing but success with it.
 
Victor
 
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry
 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry




Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

No.

Webvism does not work with any Quantum version of Firefox, which at this point, is pretty much what everyone should be using.

Of course you could install a portable older version of firefox and run it on there as a backup just to solve capchas, which I have heard some people are doing.

However I never succeeded in getting Wibvism to work, in any way, with any version of Firefox. I think it’s days are over. Someone on another list called it “abandonware” and indeed, whoever developed it seems to have left the project in the dust.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of cecropia64
Sent: September 19, 2018 7:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Last time I checked, Web visum isn't working with Firefox anymore.  Has this changed in the last six months or so?  I remember that it was working and then stopped again.

 

On 9/19/2018 7:05 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

I don’t think Webvisum relies on live human operators to solve captchas.  My understanding is that this add-on uses a proprietary algorithm to solve captchas, which explains why it doesn’t always work.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:32 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Hi Maria,

 

I think the answer to your below question is that captchas are solved by real human beings who are sitting somewhere and providing the necessary information to you via the particular application that is being used, e.g., WebVisum). To the best of my knowledge, the particular information that is contained within the captcha cannot, as yet, be understood by a machine. If this were possible, Doctor Turing's method of circumventing machine identification of purposely weird-looking letters and numbers would be rendered absolutely pointless, and the captcha would have no inherent value.

 

As the old saying goes, "one rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel spoils the whole barrel", and we innocents who are undeserving of the precautions that are taken against such wicked perversity are made to pay dearly for it. Oh, how I wish this miserable situation were not the case in the real world, but it seems as though we must continue to suffer!

 

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018, 3:30:48 PM CDT, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

 

 

If Webbisum could do it, when it worked, why not VFO?

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

There might be some legal concerns regarding FS implementing technology to circumvent a security measure.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I have had no end of success with Webvisum and Firefox.

 

In fact, I haven’t updated my Firefox in so long because I'm reading posts the Webvisum plug-in doesn’t work with newer versions of Firefox, but I don’t really mind much since I solely use it for CAPTCHA solving in any case, but yet.  Out of all the years I’ve been using the add-on, I’ve only failed to solve the CAPTCHA twice, and in each instance, it asked me to resubmit and the CAPTCHA was solved on the second try.

 

So, again, I’ve no idea why people rag on Webvisum so much.  Like I said, I’ve had nothing but success with it.

 

Victor

 

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry

 

 


jaws 2019 first impressions

Marvin Hunkin <neilmarvin@...>
 

Hi. it took me 10 minutes think to install jaws, and took 2 minutes to download. Got a fast connection, and it is a lot snappier with the vocaliser voices, and using kate. I did report a bug to vfo, report any bugs. On http://www.groups.io, if I try to search for a group, does not show up, but if I turn off the virtual cursur in google chrome, then search, then turn back on the virtual cursur, then the correct results are displayed. And apart from that, reading fine, no other issues, and no background message window and got outlook 2016 32 bit pro on a windows 10 toshiba satellite pro c-50-a running windows 10 64 bit pro 1803.

Marvin.


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Re: Previous Captia Inquiry

chris judge
 

Not sure why, but I find that a bit difficult to swallow.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

 

Eric has insisted for many years that adding a captchaa-solving feature to JAWS is not technically possible.

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:42 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Yes it would, now that would be a feature worth paying for.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 4:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

So let us suggest it again.

Eric, how about a captcha-reading capability within Jaws.  That would be nice.  Thank you.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...
 
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis
 

On 9/18/2018 3:49 PM, Steve wrote:

I used Webvisum a couple weeks ago, but I don't think it works with anything above Firefox 52. 

I can never seem to get any relevant response from them on their website, so I suspect once that version of Firefox is gone, we're going to have to use something like Rumola or one of the other Captcha solutions, for those sites that don't provide an alternative; or whose alternative audio is so garbled as to be useless.

 

I suggested to Mr. Damery a few years ago that a captcha-reading capability within Jaws would be nice, but to no avail.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

I’ve never had success with Webvism and the add-on is not supported anymore anyway, so I’m not going to suggest that.

To be honest I’ve never successfully solved this problem without sighted assistance, if there is no audio option.

Sometimes even when there is an audio option, it’s too garbled to make much sense of and the result Is long minutes of frustration and tedium.

But it seems like the audio ones are actually getting better, as a rule.

 

There are other solving tools for the visual ones. I believe most of them charge a small fee for use and I have  never tried.

Maybe look for something called Rumola. I believe it’s an add-on for Chrome.

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io On Behalf Of jyandt.martin@...
Sent: September 18, 2018 8:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Previous Captia Inquiry

 

Morning all.

 

I believe that this subject has been approached before, but my sometimers is in high gear today.

 

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to deal with captias on a website. I am applying for a job, and the registration site has a captia at the beginning of the site. Using JAWS 2018 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. Thanks in advance.

 

Jerry