-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 8:07 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] JAWS update for July-August

Hi can you pass along the link for the down loads page so we can get the new update when it comes out.



On 8/6/2019 7:20 AM, John Gassman wrote:

Hi,
FSCast came out on Monday and updates for JAWS, Zoom-Text and Fusion
are due out today. That usually means around 10 AM eastern time 7
Pacific.
Although it could be earlier so, monitor the FS Page.
John



JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification

--

Casey

On 8/6/2019 8:58 AM, Russ wrote:

Has any one talked to Microsoft why they removed the windows 10 shutdown sound?

-----Original Message----- From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 10:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws friendly laptop

Hi Gerald.

this is an issue that makes me leery about buying a computer with
an SSD.?? Because an SSD emits no noise like a mechanical hard drive, it
would be almost impossible to tell for sure that your Windows 10 PC has
shut down successfully because there is no shutdown sound like in
Windows 7. Sometimes, you might hear "JAWS for Windows" when the
shutdown has initiated, but there is no reliable way to tell whether it
has powered off unless it has a DVD drive on which you can simply press
the eject button to tell whether it is off.

Your computer is shutting down when speech disappears. You can also
pay attention to the sound of its fan. When the fan stops blowing,
your system has shut down entirely.

Also, I have read that although a solid state drive may be more

reliable as a mechanical hard

drive, it may not last as long because its memory cells tend to wear out
over time and eventually become unusable with repeated write cycles.?? Is
this true?

I've never heard this.. Both my solid state drives have lasted three
years so far.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer
and Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: ofiol@...

Hi can you pass along the link for the down loads page so we can get the
new update when it comes out.



On 8/6/2019 7:20 AM, John Gassman wrote:
> Hi,
> FSCast came out on Monday and updates for JAWS, Zoom-Text and Fusion
> are due out today. That usually means around 10 AM eastern time 7
> Pacific.
> Although it could be earlier so, monitor the FS Page.
> John
>
>
>
> JAWS Certified, 2014.
> http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification
>
>
>
>
>
>
--

Casey

On 8/6/2019 7:20 AM, John Gassman wrote:

Hi,
FSCast came out on Monday and updates for JAWS, Zoom-Text and Fusion are due out today. That usually means around 10 AM eastern time 7 Pacific.
Although it could be earlier so, monitor the FS Page.
John



JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification

-----Original Message-----
From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 10:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws friendly laptop

Hi Gerald.

this is an issue that makes me leery about buying a computer with
an SSD.?? Because an SSD emits no noise like a mechanical hard drive, it
would be almost impossible to tell for sure that your Windows 10 PC has
shut down successfully because there is no shutdown sound like in
Windows 7. Sometimes, you might hear "JAWS for Windows" when the
shutdown has initiated, but there is no reliable way to tell whether it
has powered off unless it has a DVD drive on which you can simply press
the eject button to tell whether it is off.

Your computer is shutting down when speech disappears. You can also
pay attention to the sound of its fan. When the fan stops blowing,
your system has shut down entirely.

Also, I have read that although a solid state drive may be more

reliable as a mechanical hard

drive, it may not last as long because its memory cells tend to wear out
over time and eventually become unusable with repeated write cycles.?? Is
this true?

I've never heard this.. Both my solid state drives have lasted three
years so far.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer
and Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: ofiol@...

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 3:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: congratulation to John a bit off topic [jaws-users] Google
Chrome crashes

The problem is if 50 people or more for example post such a message it would

create a lot of bandwidth usage that an already busy list does not need. I
myself woke up to 86 emails in my inbox this morning that took quite some
time to read over.

This is why we monitor so tightly and try to keep things flowing smoothly.

-----Original Message-----
From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 8:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: congratulation to John a bit off topic [jaws-users] Google
Chrome crashes

I just take this opportunity to congratulate you John for your award, of
which I heard this morning on FS's fscast. Apologies to our group for this
offtopic comment, but since it involves a member of our group, I just
thought it to be appropriate.
Take care,
Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of John Gassman
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Google Chrome crashes

I'm using Malware Bites but so is my brother and
he's not having these problems.
I think I have Google Accessibility pulling out
all of their hair trying to solve this problem.
JohnAt 01:40 PM 8/5/2019, you wrote:

Hi.


I've had Chrome just disappear a time or two in
the past few months, but nothing directly
related to downloads. If this is only happening
when you download something, I wonder if what
ever Antimalware utility you use outside of
Chrome is causing this when it scans the file as
soon as Chrome unlocks it, or perhaps before
Chrome unlocks it, and that's stirring up
trouble somehow. I wish it wasn't that
intermittent. How are you going to know if what
changes you make is actually a fix? If you do
figure out how to crash it every time, maybe try
it once with external Antimalware disabled
temporarily to see if it still happens?


I'm running normal non development Chrome and I
do have Ad Block Plus installed in it. I also
have Chrome Sounds and a couple of other
extensions enabled. I guess it might be worth
uninstalling or resetting your Chrome and, if
you sync your Chrome with your google account,
not syncing it again until you've tried to reproduce the problem a bit.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General
Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make
Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 8/4/2019 7:33 PM, John Gassman wrote:

Hi,
So far nobody has been able to duplicate this
situation. I'm posting it here to see if anybody has suggestions.
While downloading using Chrome several weeks
ago, the application would finish downloading
and I could do a say line to hear the current
line but nothing else when I moved around.
I had to use task manager to close down Chrome.
It happened with all three screen readers on my
desktop, JAWS, NVDA andn Narrator.
I wrote to Google Disability thinking it was Chrome.
then with the next JAWS Private Beta build the
problem went away only to reappear about ten days ago.
I wasn't sure if it was indeed a screen reader
problem or something in a recent Google update.
this last Thursday with the newest Private
build of JAWS, the problem went away again.
the problem is that JAWS and Google updated
about the same time so I don't know if its
Google, a screen reader conflict or maybe both.
So far Google hasn't been able to come up with
a solution or even duplicate it.
And if JAWS, NVDA or Narrator are involved, where would I go from here?
Would the JAWS logs show FS anything?
Has anybody else experienced this?
I especially see it with BARD and other websites from which I download.
I'm using the latest JAWS private build and
Windows 10 update as well as Chrome Version
76.0.3809.87 (Official Build) (64-bit)
I just tried an experiment and went into About
for Chrome and got an update this morning.
And with the latest Chrome build which just
updated as I wrote this message, I have another Chrome Crash.
When I go into task manager to get rid of
Chrome, I also see a message which says:
AdBlock has crashed. Click this balloon to reload the extension.
Sometimes its another app or extension that has
crashed so it is not always the same one.
I can use Chrome Canary and have never seen this crash happen.
Any ideas as to what is causing this and how to solve it?

John


John



JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification



JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification

JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification

-----Original Message-----
From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 8:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: congratulation to John a bit off topic [jaws-users] Google Chrome crashes

I just take this opportunity to congratulate you John for your award, of
which I heard this morning on FS's fscast. Apologies to our group for this
offtopic comment, but since it involves a member of our group, I just
thought it to be appropriate.
Take care,
Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of John Gassman
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Google Chrome crashes

I'm using Malware Bites but so is my brother and
he's not having these problems.
I think I have Google Accessibility pulling out
all of their hair trying to solve this problem.
JohnAt 01:40 PM 8/5/2019, you wrote:

Hi.


I've had Chrome just disappear a time or two in
the past few months, but nothing directly
related to downloads. If this is only happening
when you download something, I wonder if what
ever Antimalware utility you use outside of
Chrome is causing this when it scans the file as
soon as Chrome unlocks it, or perhaps before
Chrome unlocks it, and that's stirring up
trouble somehow. I wish it wasn't that
intermittent. How are you going to know if what
changes you make is actually a fix? If you do
figure out how to crash it every time, maybe try
it once with external Antimalware disabled
temporarily to see if it still happens?


I'm running normal non development Chrome and I
do have Ad Block Plus installed in it. I also
have Chrome Sounds and a couple of other
extensions enabled. I guess it might be worth
uninstalling or resetting your Chrome and, if
you sync your Chrome with your google account,
not syncing it again until you've tried to reproduce the problem a bit.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General
Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make
Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 8/4/2019 7:33 PM, John Gassman wrote:

Hi,
So far nobody has been able to duplicate this
situation. I'm posting it here to see if anybody has suggestions.
While downloading using Chrome several weeks
ago, the application would finish downloading
and I could do a say line to hear the current
line but nothing else when I moved around.
I had to use task manager to close down Chrome.
It happened with all three screen readers on my
desktop, JAWS, NVDA andn Narrator.
I wrote to Google Disability thinking it was Chrome.
then with the next JAWS Private Beta build the
problem went away only to reappear about ten days ago.
I wasn't sure if it was indeed a screen reader
problem or something in a recent Google update.
this last Thursday with the newest Private
build of JAWS, the problem went away again.
the problem is that JAWS and Google updated
about the same time so I don't know if its
Google, a screen reader conflict or maybe both.
So far Google hasn't been able to come up with
a solution or even duplicate it.
And if JAWS, NVDA or Narrator are involved, where would I go from here?
Would the JAWS logs show FS anything?
Has anybody else experienced this?
I especially see it with BARD and other websites from which I download.
I'm using the latest JAWS private build and
Windows 10 update as well as Chrome Version
76.0.3809.87 (Official Build) (64-bit)
I just tried an experiment and went into About
for Chrome and got an update this morning.
And with the latest Chrome build which just
updated as I wrote this message, I have another Chrome Crash.
When I go into task manager to get rid of
Chrome, I also see a message which says:
AdBlock has crashed. Click this balloon to reload the extension.
Sometimes its another app or extension that has
crashed so it is not always the same one.
I can use Chrome Canary and have never seen this crash happen.
Any ideas as to what is causing this and how to solve it?

John


John



JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification



JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification

JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf
Of John Gassman
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Google Chrome crashes

I'm using Malware Bites but so is my brother and
he's not having these problems.
I think I have Google Accessibility pulling out
all of their hair trying to solve this problem.
JohnAt 01:40 PM 8/5/2019, you wrote:

Hi.


I've had Chrome just disappear a time or two in
the past few months, but nothing directly
related to downloads. If this is only happening
when you download something, I wonder if what
ever Antimalware utility you use outside of
Chrome is causing this when it scans the file as
soon as Chrome unlocks it, or perhaps before
Chrome unlocks it, and that's stirring up
trouble somehow. I wish it wasn't that
intermittent. How are you going to know if what
changes you make is actually a fix? If you do
figure out how to crash it every time, maybe try
it once with external Antimalware disabled
temporarily to see if it still happens?


I'm running normal non development Chrome and I
do have Ad Block Plus installed in it. I also
have Chrome Sounds and a couple of other
extensions enabled. I guess it might be worth
uninstalling or resetting your Chrome and, if
you sync your Chrome with your google account,
not syncing it again until you've tried to reproduce the problem a bit.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General
Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make
Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 8/4/2019 7:33 PM, John Gassman wrote:

Hi,
So far nobody has been able to duplicate this
situation. I'm posting it here to see if anybody has suggestions.
While downloading using Chrome several weeks
ago, the application would finish downloading
and I could do a say line to hear the current
line but nothing else when I moved around.
I had to use task manager to close down Chrome.
It happened with all three screen readers on my
desktop, JAWS, NVDA andn Narrator.
I wrote to Google Disability thinking it was Chrome.
then with the next JAWS Private Beta build the
problem went away only to reappear about ten days ago.
I wasn't sure if it was indeed a screen reader
problem or something in a recent Google update.
this last Thursday with the newest Private
build of JAWS, the problem went away again.
the problem is that JAWS and Google updated
about the same time so I don't know if its
Google, a screen reader conflict or maybe both.
So far Google hasn't been able to come up with
a solution or even duplicate it.
And if JAWS, NVDA or Narrator are involved, where would I go from here?
Would the JAWS logs show FS anything?
Has anybody else experienced this?
I especially see it with BARD and other websites from which I download.
I'm using the latest JAWS private build and
Windows 10 update as well as Chrome Version
76.0.3809.87 (Official Build) (64-bit)
I just tried an experiment and went into About
for Chrome and got an update this morning.
And with the latest Chrome build which just
updated as I wrote this message, I have another Chrome Crash.
When I go into task manager to get rid of
Chrome, I also see a message which says:
AdBlock has crashed. Click this balloon to reload the extension.
Sometimes its another app or extension that has
crashed so it is not always the same one.
I can use Chrome Canary and have never seen this crash happen.
Any ideas as to what is causing this and how to solve it?

John


John



JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification



JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification

JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification