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Re: deleting e-mails from Gmail.

Judy Jones <sonshines59@...>
 

I don’t pay much attention to the All Mail, but I believe it contains e-mails from all your different boxes, unless you have deleted them.  It would seem safer to delete from your other boxes, in case you accidentally deleted something in the All Mail folder you wanted to keep.

 

I never delete my SentBox, as that is my record of e-mails that I hang on to.  I always did that at work too, and was very grateful, as I could always pull up and resend  an e-mail if someone said they didn’t receive what I had sent.  I’ll delete anything else except my sent mail.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 4:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] deleting e-mails from Gmail.

 

Hello.

 

Judy is correct, but my g-mail account contains a file called “all mail” which seems to consist of an archive containing e-mails whether or not I have deleted them in Outlook.

 

I’d like to know how to clear out that file, and also how to safely delete out-of-date miles in my sent file on the g-mail web site.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 7:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] deleting e-mails from Gmail.

 

Hi, Sherri,

 

Is your e-mail client pop3 or imap?  If imap, your e-mail should come right off the server when deleting from Outlook, etc.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Sherri
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 4:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups. io
Subject: [jaws-users] deleting e-mails from Gmail.

 

I have a lot of trouble navigating the Google mail site with Jaws.  I am currently using Jaws 17, but I also have Jaws 2019 on my computer.  I am running Windows 7.

 

I am almost out of storage space and have lots of Gmail to get rid of.  Deleting it from Outlook doesn’t seem to affect the Gmail client itself.  How do I go about selecting and deleting large quantities of Gmail?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Sherri Brun

flmom2006@...

Board member, NFB of Central Florida

NFBF Newsline Marketer

Phone:  1-844-827-7371

 

                                The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations

of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 

Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.

 

 

 


Re: deleting e-mails from Gmail.

Tom Behler
 

Hello.

 

Judy is correct, but my g-mail account contains a file called “all mail” which seems to consist of an archive containing e-mails whether or not I have deleted them in Outlook.

 

I’d like to know how to clear out that file, and also how to safely delete out-of-date miles in my sent file on the g-mail web site.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 7:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] deleting e-mails from Gmail.

 

Hi, Sherri,

 

Is your e-mail client pop3 or imap?  If imap, your e-mail should come right off the server when deleting from Outlook, etc.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Sherri
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 4:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups. io
Subject: [jaws-users] deleting e-mails from Gmail.

 

I have a lot of trouble navigating the Google mail site with Jaws.  I am currently using Jaws 17, but I also have Jaws 2019 on my computer.  I am running Windows 7.

 

I am almost out of storage space and have lots of Gmail to get rid of.  Deleting it from Outlook doesn’t seem to affect the Gmail client itself.  How do I go about selecting and deleting large quantities of Gmail?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Sherri Brun

flmom2006@...

Board member, NFB of Central Florida

NFBF Newsline Marketer

Phone:  1-844-827-7371

 

                                The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations

of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 

Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.

 

 

 


Re: deleting e-mails from Gmail.

Andy
 

Hi Sherri,
 
Now that I am retired I don't use Outlook, but i seem to recall that in the Email preferences you have the choice to leave mail on the server, or to delete it from the server when it is downloaded.  Make sure that you don't have the "leave messages on server" box checked.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Sherri
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 4:29 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] deleting e-mails from Gmail.

I have a lot of trouble navigating the Google mail site with Jaws.  I am currently using Jaws 17, but I also have Jaws 2019 on my computer.  I am running Windows 7.

 

I am almost out of storage space and have lots of Gmail to get rid of.  Deleting it from Outlook doesn’t seem to affect the Gmail client itself.  How do I go about selecting and deleting large quantities of Gmail?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Sherri Brun

flmom2006@...

Board member, NFB of Central Florida

NFBF Newsline Marketer

Phone:  1-844-827-7371

                                The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations

of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 

Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.

 

 


Re: deleting e-mails from Gmail.

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi Sherri,
Outlook may have a setting, if you are using POP, to delete deleted items from server in the advanced tab.
If not, on the web page, you will check the messages that you want to delete, as they should have a check box by them, make sure whether you are checking the message above or below the check box, you can tell if the first message has a check box above it or below it.
You can move from check box to check box with the letter X.
At the bottom of the list of messages for the page, you should find an action, like move or delete.
It will affect only the messages you have checked.
It's been a while since I've done this, but it will be similar if not just like this.
HTH.
Glenn

From: Sherri
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 6:29 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] deleting e-mails from Gmail.

I have a lot of trouble navigating the Google mail site with Jaws.  I am currently using Jaws 17, but I also have Jaws 2019 on my computer.  I am running Windows 7.

 

I am almost out of storage space and have lots of Gmail to get rid of.  Deleting it from Outlook doesn’t seem to affect the Gmail client itself.  How do I go about selecting and deleting large quantities of Gmail?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Sherri Brun

flmom2006@...

Board member, NFB of Central Florida

NFBF Newsline Marketer

Phone:  1-844-827-7371

                                The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations

of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 

Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.

 

 


Re: deleting e-mails from Gmail.

Judy Jones <sonshines59@...>
 

Hi, Sherri,

 

Is your e-mail client pop3 or imap?  If imap, your e-mail should come right off the server when deleting from Outlook, etc.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Sherri
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 4:29 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups. io
Subject: [jaws-users] deleting e-mails from Gmail.

 

I have a lot of trouble navigating the Google mail site with Jaws.  I am currently using Jaws 17, but I also have Jaws 2019 on my computer.  I am running Windows 7.

 

I am almost out of storage space and have lots of Gmail to get rid of.  Deleting it from Outlook doesn’t seem to affect the Gmail client itself.  How do I go about selecting and deleting large quantities of Gmail?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Sherri Brun

flmom2006@...

Board member, NFB of Central Florida

NFBF Newsline Marketer

Phone:  1-844-827-7371

 

                                The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations

of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 

Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.

 

 

 


deleting e-mails from Gmail.

Sherri
 

I have a lot of trouble navigating the Google mail site with Jaws.  I am currently using Jaws 17, but I also have Jaws 2019 on my computer.  I am running Windows 7.

 

I am almost out of storage space and have lots of Gmail to get rid of.  Deleting it from Outlook doesn’t seem to affect the Gmail client itself.  How do I go about selecting and deleting large quantities of Gmail?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Sherri Brun

flmom2006@...

Board member, NFB of Central Florida

NFBF Newsline Marketer

Phone:  1-844-827-7371

                                The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations

of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 

Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.

 

 


Re: Jaws friendly laptop

Hamit Campos
 

Ah cool. Things came up and I couldn't but I a few months ago wanted to get a Y7000 Lenovo laptop. See A while back I got a cheep HP because since the GPU said it was a Radeon I tricked my self into thinking it had a discreet GPU. This HP does use the FN keys for volume up and down WIFI on and off and mute. So the real anoying thing is you have to hold the FN key down and then do control F4 for instance to close something. Thus you can't close with your right hand.

On 8/5/2019 6:03 PM, Gary Lee wrote:
My experiences are with the hp 6745 (admittedly older) and the lenovo thinkpad t570.
The lenovo kicks butt. very quick, the keyboard is quite comfortable, and no jaws issues. My only complaint is the placement of the home and end keys. But you can get used to tthat.

My lenovo has an intel i7 2.8 Ghz, 16 GB ram, and a 500 gb solid state drive.
Comes with an sd reader, HDMI port, and 15 inch screen.

If I could afford one for home, I’d have one.
The hp is much slower, I believe because of its graphics and i5 processor. But, it has been a decent laptop.

No complaints about the solid state disk, but it does take some getting used to not having the disk sounds.

hope this helps.


On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:10 AM, John R Vaughn <jrvaughn44@comcast.net> wrote:

List, my Toshiba laptop is in need of replacement.
Have any of you on the list recently purchased a new 15.6 inch screen laptop computer that works well with jaws?
I would like another laptop that has a built in keypad.
Also, has jaws worked well with the new solid state drives?
Thanks for any help.
Like many of us using jaws and access technology for the last 28 years, can remember in the past being sure we got a laptop with the right kind of video card and audio card. That said my current Toshiba was bought off Amazon with standard video and audio card.
Again, thanks for any ideas or suggestions.
John in sunny southwest Florida


Re: A jaws key to reset you Jaws settings

Casey
 

Hi disregard this message i have figured it out.

On 8/5/2019 5:21 PM, Casey wrote:
Hi A while ago someone gave A key stroke to temporarily but all of your Jaws setting back to the defaults and then you could hit that same command and they all would be back they way you had them.

So does anyone remember that key stroke and can they pass it along?

--

Casey


A jaws key to reset you Jaws settings

Casey
 

Hi A while ago someone gave A key stroke to temporarily but all of your Jaws setting back to the defaults and then you could hit that same command and they all would be back they way you had them.

So does anyone remember that key stroke and can they pass it along?


--

Casey


Re: Jaws friendly laptop

Gary Lee <kb9zuv@...>
 

My experiences are with the hp 6745 (admittedly older) and the lenovo thinkpad t570.
The lenovo kicks butt. very quick, the keyboard is quite comfortable, and no jaws issues. My only complaint is the placement of the home and end keys. But you can get used to tthat.

My lenovo has an intel i7 2.8 Ghz, 16 GB ram, and a 500 gb solid state drive.
Comes with an sd reader, HDMI port, and 15 inch screen.

If I could afford one for home, I’d have one.
The hp is much slower, I believe because of its graphics and i5 processor. But, it has been a decent laptop.

No complaints about the solid state disk, but it does take some getting used to not having the disk sounds.

hope this helps.

On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:10 AM, John R Vaughn <jrvaughn44@comcast.net> wrote:

List, my Toshiba laptop is in need of replacement.
Have any of you on the list recently purchased a new 15.6 inch screen laptop computer that works well with jaws?
I would like another laptop that has a built in keypad.
Also, has jaws worked well with the new solid state drives?
Thanks for any help.
Like many of us using jaws and access technology for the last 28 years, can remember in the past being sure we got a laptop with the right kind of video card and audio card. That said my current Toshiba was bought off Amazon with standard video and audio card.
Again, thanks for any ideas or suggestions.
John in sunny southwest Florida


Re: keystroke set to save a file on a web page

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Patrick,
 
You can also press, Alt + F, for the file menu, navigate to, SendTo, press enter and use one of the options found in here.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] keystroke set to save a file on a web page

Hi Patrick,
I usually tab to it, sometimes arrowing it doesn't always work, and I use the applications key and enter on something like save target as, or save link as.
The terminology varies by browser.
HTH.
 
Glenn

Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 1:37 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] keystroke set to save a file on a web page

Group,

Having a memory lapse at the moment.  Trying to remember the keystroke
command to save a linked file on a web page to the PC.

As an example.  I am interested in saving the MP3 of the recent
Outlook webinar on
https://support.freedomscientific.com/Services/TrainingAndCertification/FreeWebinars
to my computer so I can listen to it offline.

I am running
* Win 10
* Latest JAWS 2019
* Latest Firefox

Thanks,

Patrick



Re: My Emails

Pastor Gil Pries
 

Hi Mike,

Thanks very much.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 1:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] My Emails

 

Hi Pastor Gil,

 

This message made it.  If you need to unbounce prior messages try the steps below.

 

1. Log-in at:

 

 

2. Navigate to, Link collapsed has pop-up,Mike B. or your display name, and press enter.

 

3. Find, link Accounts, and press enter.

 

4. Find, link Recent Bounces, and press enter.

 

5. From here I don't know what to say since I don't have any bounces to work with.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 1:25 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] My Emails

 

My emails to the list keep bouncing.

 

Pastor Gil


Re: PDF Open parent document

Larry Volk
 

Thanks Victor;

I thought there should have been a tab showing all add-ons but for some reason it was hidden and it took a bit of work to get it unhidden. I’m not sure what all of the Microsoft add-ons are used for but for now I’ll just leave them turned on.

 

Larry

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: August 5, 2019 1:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PDF Open parent document

 

You should check to make sure the combo box after add-ons is not set to add-ons currently running.  It should be set on all add-ons.

 

Victor

 

From: Larry Volk

Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 2:54 PM

To: jaws-users-list@groups.io

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PDF Open parent document

 

I looked again and there are only 3 add-ons listed in my currently loaded add-ons, under the run without permissions there are 43 add-ons which are mostly Microsoft add-ons; nothing for Adobe. When I was still using windows 7 there were more add-ons in the current list than with win10.

 

Larry

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas C. DeCamp
Sent: August 5, 2019 10:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PDF Open parent document

 

Larry,

Yes, I mean add-ons.  You need to select the list all add-ons to see the Adobe add-on.  As I recall it is necessary to actually use the space bar on this selection to bring up the full list.  The list of add-ons should be around 25 or so if they are all listed.

  • Hth ---

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Volk
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 10:59 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PDF Open parent document

 

Do you mean manage add-ons, because I can’t find add-ins. Also, under my add-ons there is no add-on for Adobe.

 

Larry

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas C. DeCamp
Sent: August 5, 2019 7:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PDF Open parent document

 

This message is caused in IE 11 by the Adobe Add-in being enabled causing IE to try to open the document in the web page.  You can stop this and get the document opened in Adobe reader by going to Internet Options, Programs Tab, and then list all add-in programs.  Disable the Adobe add-in and the document will open correctly.  This used to be taken care of by the Accessibility Wizard in Adobe reader, but for whatever reason they discontinued asking this question and you now must take care of it yourself.

  • Hth ---

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Volk
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2019 4:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] PDF Open parent document

 

I got that same message yesterday with IE and with Chrome. But with Chrome I was able to continue to arrow down and read the PDF. It would be good to know what this message is and how to resolve it.

 

Larry

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Skyner
Sent: August 4, 2019 3:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] PDF Open parent document

 

Hi all,

 

When clicking on a link within a web page to go to a pdf document I am given the option to select a button “open parent document”,  this is my only option and after selecting I still cannot read the pdf document.

Any help would be appreciated.

Running Windows 10, latest Jaws I e and chrome.

 

Thanks

 

John


ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] A down loading from open drive problem with fire fox

Rick Justice <ricjustice@...>
 

Please top-post your messages, refer to the list guidelines!

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "lynn white" <lynnwhite360@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] A down loading from open drive problem with fire
fox



On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Casey <cwollner@wi.rr.com> wrote:

Hi I am using Jaws 2019 and windows seven.

So now when I get sent an open drive link where there is stuff to go and
down load.

So I open fire fox and paste in that link.

So after the page loads and I get the down load button and the select all
button is right below that.

Well hear is A mess explaining what happens


A problem with down load from open with Jaws
A problem with Jaws and down loading from ope drive
Hi okay I am using fire fox the latest version and Jaws 2019.

So now i open A page in open drive and there is stuff I want to down load
on that page.

So I hit space on the select all button and this is the page it takes me
to.

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So how do I fix that so then when I go to the page in open drive that has
the select all button and how can I keep it when I hit on the space bar on
the

select all button to then be able to go up and hit the down loae button?

I have turned the virtual couser off and that didn't change anything but I
can down load from the open drive site just fine with chrome or the brave
browser.


It is just with firefox that I am getting this.

I would really like to correct this if I can.

-- Casey

--

Casey


So I have used google chrome and the brave browser and I don't get that I
can down load normaly with those browsers.

That just happens with fire fox.

So how can I correct this with Jaws and or fire fox?



--

Casey



What I do is to hit enter on select all. I git some kind of message about
using some sort of app for certain zip file sizes. When I press Ok, the
file downloads just fine.
I using Windows 10 and Jaws 2019. Hope this helps.


ADMIN: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws friendly laptop

Rick Justice <ricjustice@...>
 

If you know something is off-topic, then why post it?
Apparently you have not read or paid attention to the list guidelines!
Please do so!

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@groups.io

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@cableone.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws friendly laptop


Although this is off topic for Jaws, I'll mention that an affordable SSD
solution is to get an adapter that fits as a 2.5 inch SATA drive, but has
plugs for SD or CF cards.
I use one of these on my Acer laptop with 2 32 GB CF cards in it, and it is
faster than a mechanical drive.
Glenn



From: valiant8086
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 3:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws friendly laptop


Hi.




Yes, this is true. For the most part, though, this issue isn't actually how
an ssd will fail you. If the controller on the ssd fails, the entire disk
becomes unusable. I'm not sure if recovery companies would be able to
install a new controller in the drive in order to recover lost data, but
that's what I hear is the real issue here. Ssds lose sectors over time by
how many times they've been written to. Hdds lose sectors over time by how
many times they have been read from, as well as just general ware and tear.
Ssds make less heat and use less energy than most Hdds, and are generally
way more responsive. I've got a hard drive with north of fourty thousand
hours on it, and I've got 4 ssds all of which are north of 5000, a couple
are north of 30000, which show absolutely no signs of failure. At this
point, I can come up with no reason not to get an ssd, except for possibly
price, and possibly the no noise issue.




Some ssds actually do make noise, sometimes a buzzing chatter, other ssds
may make a high pitched stacotto chirping noise. It depends on how the
machine handles coil line I think but am not positive. I believe for the
most part it's low end ssds that make the racket. While I'm on the subject
of low end, you can get low end ssds on Amazon today for pretty affordable
prices, I'm talking like 130 dollars for 1 tb. That may be a shorter lifed
drive, and it won't have the same kind of crazy performance as high end
ssds. High end SSDs today have changes in how they work to help alleviate
the sector failure issue we're talking about.








Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy
Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community -
http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>On 8/5/2019 1:38 PM, Gerald Levy via
Groups.Io wrote:




Yeah, this is an issue that makes me leery about buying a computer with an
SSD.?? Because an SSD emits no noise like a mechanical hard drive, it would
be almost impossible to tell for sure that your Windows 10 PC has shut down
successfully because there is no shutdown sound like in Windows 7.??
Sometimes, you might hear "JAWS for Windows" when the shutdown has
initiated, but there is no reliable way to tell whether it has powered off
unless it has a DVD drive on which you can simply press the eject button to
tell whether it is off.?? Also, I have read that although a solid state
drive may be more reliable as a mechanical hard drive, it may not last as
long because its memory cells tend to wear out over time and eventually
become unusable with repeated write cycles.?? Is this true?




Gerald








On 8/5/2019 12:13 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I like that the solid state drives are faster and more reliable, but I
don't like that you can't hear them booting up.
Often you are wondering what the computer is doing, if it is booting up,
and you can't tell non-visually with solid state drives.
But again, this is a factor that has no bearing on Jaws.??
I do care about the audio on some laptops, some laptops, sold as
business models, at least in the past, have had terrible sound.
But now that we use laptops in the business world for things like Power
Point and the like, perhaps poor quality??audio is becoming more of a rarity
in laptops.
This is something you might find out about by reading reviews on models
on-line, before you decide.
Glenn


From: chris judge
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 11:01 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws friendly laptop


The solid state drives are wonderful. My new dell desktop has one, as
does my slightly older Dell laptop. I???d never purchase another computer
without one.

??

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
John R Vaughn
Sent: August 5, 2019 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws friendly laptop

??

List, my Toshiba laptop is in need of replacement.

Have any of you on the list recently purchased a new 15.6 inch screen
laptop computer that works well with jaws?

I would like another laptop that has a built in keypad.

Also, has jaws worked well with the new solid state drives?

Thanks for any help.

Like many of us using jaws and access technology for the last 28 years,
can remember in the past being sure we got a laptop with the right kind of
video card and audio card.?? That said my current Toshiba was bought off
Amazon with standard video and audio card.

Again, thanks for any ideas or suggestions.

John in sunny southwest Florida


Re: Jaws friendly laptop

Steve
 


It shouldn't matter which brand of laptop you purchase, except for brand reputation.
Note: keyboard layouts vary from laptop brands and different models.  You may want to get hands-on with one to make sure things like the insert key and pgup and pgdn are in decent positions.
 
Also, some have taken over the function keys, but usually those settings can be reverted in the setup or in worst case in the BIOS.
 
"Trust takes years to build, seconds to break, and forever to repair"
 
Steve, K8SP

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 11:10 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws friendly laptop

List, my Toshiba laptop is in need of replacement.

Have any of you on the list recently purchased a new 15.6 inch screen laptop computer that works well with jaws?

I would like another laptop that has a built in keypad.

Also, has jaws worked well with the new solid state drives?

Thanks for any help.

Like many of us using jaws and access technology for the last 28 years, can remember in the past being sure we got a laptop with the right kind of video card and audio card.  That said my current Toshiba was bought off Amazon with standard video and audio card.

Again, thanks for any ideas or suggestions.

John in sunny southwest Florida


Re: My Emails

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Pastor Gil,
 
This message made it.  If you need to unbounce prior messages try the steps below.
 
1. Log-in at:
 
 
2. Navigate to, Link collapsed has pop-up,Mike B. or your display name, and press enter.
 
3. Find, link Accounts, and press enter.
 
4. Find, link Recent Bounces, and press enter.
 
5. From here I don't know what to say since I don't have any bounces to work with.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 1:25 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] My Emails

My emails to the list keep bouncing.

 

Pastor Gil


Re: System Tray question

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Robin,
 
I believe you're running Windows 10, and if so below are the steps I use to arrange the system tray icons in the order I want them.
 
I just learned that the Badges option needs to be turned off in order to
rearrange the System Tray icons and here are my corrected steps:
Settings and their state:
Lock the Taskbar button, On.
 
The next several options I have Unchecked / Off.
 
Taskbar location on screen Combo box, Bottom
 
Taskbar location on screen Combine taskbar buttons, Never
 
Here's how I rearrange the system tray icons  running Windows 10 Pro Version
1809 (OS Build 17763.379) & all installed versions of Jaws.
1. Windows key + I, for Settings, tab 1 time to System, right arrow to
Personalization, and press enter.
2. Navigate to, Taskbar and press enter.
3. Tab several times to, Show Badges on Taskbar..., and make sure this is,
Off / unchecked.
4. Tab a few times to, Notification Area, Select which icons appear on the
taskbar Link, and press enter.
5. Okay now to put the System Tray in the order you want it in.  Tab through
all the icons making a note of which ones you have checked / turned on
because you're going to uncheck all of them.
6. Uncheck all the icons.  Now you will go through and check the icons in
the order you want them in but keep in mind, they will appear in the reverse
order that they are checked.  What I mean is, the 1st one yu check will be
at the bottom of the list, the 2nd will be 2nd from the bottom, the 3rd will
be 3rd from the bottom etc. etc....  After you're done open the system tray
to make sure it's the way you want it and Alt + F4 if it is.
 
Note:  With the System Tray now arranged the way you want it, you can now
turn, Badges, on if you prefer this setting to be on.
 
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 12:40 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] System Tray question

Hi,

I rely on a few icons in my system tray for programs I minimize during the day, just as JAWS, our instant messaging client, our VPN software, and checking status of an active network connection.   Can someone explain to me how the order of these icons is determined?  The order  sometimes fluctuates and I’m wondering why.  I can understand one not being there if it’s not currently running, but one that is usually the left most icon might suddenly become the right most icon in the row.  Can I lock them in a certain order? 

 

Also, sometimes  when I use Windows B, then arrow left or right to get to the icon I need but before I can hit enter or applications key on the icon, focus will jump to a different one.  Just thought I’d ask here if others experience this before I add it to my list of Microsoft Accessibility questions.  

 

 

Running Windows 10 1909 with JAWS 2019 1904

 

 



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Re: Google Chrome crashes

valiant8086
 

Hi.


I've had Chrome just disappear a time or two in the past few months, but nothing directly related to downloads. If this is only happening when you download something, I wonder if what ever Antimalware utility you use outside of Chrome is causing this when it scans the file as soon as Chrome unlocks it, or perhaps before Chrome unlocks it, and that's stirring up trouble somehow. I wish it wasn't that intermittent. How are you going to know if what changes you make is actually a fix? If you do figure out how to crash it every time, maybe try it once with external Antimalware disabled temporarily to see if it still happens?


I'm running normal non development Chrome and I do have Ad Block Plus installed in it. I also have Chrome Sounds and a couple of other extensions enabled. I guess it might be worth uninstalling or resetting your Chrome and, if you sync your Chrome with your google account, not syncing it again until you've tried to reproduce the problem a bit.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 8/4/2019 7:33 PM, John Gassman wrote:
Hi,
So far nobody has been able to duplicate this situation.  I'm posting it here to see if anybody has suggestions.
While downloading using Chrome several weeks ago, the application would finish downloading and I could do a say line to hear the current line but nothing else when I moved around.
I had to use task manager to close down Chrome.
It happened with all three screen readers on my desktop, JAWS, NVDA andn Narrator.
I wrote to Google Disability thinking it was Chrome.
then with the next JAWS Private Beta build the problem went away only to reappear about ten days ago.
I wasn't sure if it was indeed a screen reader problem or something in a recent Google update.
this last Thursday with the newest Private build of JAWS, the problem went away again.
the problem is that JAWS and Google updated about the same time so I don't know if its Google, a screen reader conflict or maybe both.
So far Google hasn't been able to come up with a solution or even duplicate it.
And if JAWS, NVDA or Narrator are involved, where would I go from here?
Would the JAWS logs show FS anything?
Has anybody else experienced this?
I especially see it with BARD and other websites from which I download.
I'm using the latest JAWS private build and Windows 10 update as well as Chrome Version 76.0.3809.87 (Official Build) (64-bit)
I just tried an experiment and went into About for Chrome and got an update this morning.
And with the latest Chrome build which just updated as I wrote this message, I have another Chrome Crash.
When I go into task manager to get rid of Chrome, I also see a message which says:
AdBlock has crashed. Click this balloon to reload the extension.
Sometimes its another app or extension that has crashed so it is not always the same one.
I can use Chrome Canary and have never seen this crash happen.
Any ideas as to what is causing this and how to solve it?

John


John



JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification



JAWS Certified, 2014.
http://www.FreedomScientific.com/Certification




Re: Jaws friendly laptop

Glenn / Lenny
 

Although this is off topic for Jaws, I'll mention that an affordable SSD solution is to get an adapter that fits as a 2.5 inch SATA drive, but has plugs for SD or CF cards.
I use one of these on my Acer laptop with 2 32 GB CF cards in it, and it is faster than a mechanical drive.
Glenn
 

Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws friendly laptop

Hi.


Yes, this is true. For the most part, though, this issue isn't actually how an ssd will fail you. If the controller on the ssd fails, the entire disk becomes unusable. I'm not sure if recovery companies would be able to install a new controller in the drive in order to recover lost data, but that's what I hear is the real issue here. Ssds lose sectors over time by how many times they've been written to. Hdds lose sectors over time by how many times they have been read from, as well as just general ware and tear. Ssds make less heat and use less energy than most Hdds, and are generally way more responsive. I've got a hard drive with north of fourty thousand hours on it, and I've got 4 ssds all of which are north of 5000, a couple are north of 30000, which show absolutely no signs of failure. At this point, I can come up with no reason not to get an ssd, except for possibly price, and possibly the no noise issue.


Some ssds actually do make noise, sometimes a buzzing chatter, other ssds may make a high pitched stacotto chirping noise. It depends on how the machine handles coil line I think but am not positive. I believe for the most part it's low end ssds that make the racket. While I'm on the subject of low end, you can get low end ssds on Amazon today for pretty affordable prices, I'm talking like 130 dollars for 1 tb. That may be a shorter lifed drive, and it won't have the same kind of crazy performance as high end ssds. High end SSDs today have changes in how they work to help alleviate the sector failure issue we're talking about.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>
On 8/5/2019 1:38 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:


Yeah, this is an issue that makes me leery about buying a computer with an SSD.?? Because an SSD emits no noise like a mechanical hard drive, it would be almost impossible to tell for sure that your Windows 10 PC has shut down successfully because there is no shutdown sound like in Windows 7.?? Sometimes, you might hear "JAWS for Windows" when the shutdown has initiated, but there is no reliable way to tell whether it has powered off unless it has a DVD drive on which you can simply press the eject button to tell whether it is off.?? Also, I have read that although a solid state drive may be more reliable as a mechanical hard drive, it may not last as long because its memory cells tend to wear out over time and eventually become unusable with repeated write cycles.?? Is this true?


Gerald



On 8/5/2019 12:13 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I like that the solid state drives are faster and more reliable, but I don't like that you can't hear them booting up.
Often you are wondering what the computer is doing, if it is booting up, and you can't tell non-visually with solid state drives.
But again, this is a factor that has no bearing on Jaws.??
I do care about the audio on some laptops, some laptops, sold as business models, at least in the past, have had terrible sound.
But now that we use laptops in the business world for things like Power Point and the like, perhaps poor quality??audio is becoming more of a rarity in laptops.
This is something you might find out about by reading reviews on models on-line, before you decide.
Glenn

Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Jaws friendly laptop

The solid state drives are wonderful. My new dell desktop has one, as does my slightly older Dell laptop. I???d never purchase another computer without one.

??

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of John R Vaughn
Sent: August 5, 2019 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Jaws friendly laptop

??

List, my Toshiba laptop is in need of replacement.

Have any of you on the list recently purchased a new 15.6 inch screen laptop computer that works well with jaws?

I would like another laptop that has a built in keypad.

Also, has jaws worked well with the new solid state drives?

Thanks for any help.

Like many of us using jaws and access technology for the last 28 years, can remember in the past being sure we got a laptop with the right kind of video card and audio card.?? That said my current Toshiba was bought off Amazon with standard video and audio card.

Again, thanks for any ideas or suggestions.

John in sunny southwest Florida


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