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Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

Oh!  Shows how much I know hahaha!  Sounds like I had it all backwards.  I’ve been so conditioned into thinking it needed a TV.

 

But, when you think of it, We do this all the time with our cell phones or PC or tablet by plugging the speaker into the headphone jack or via Bluetooth.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hey Judy,

If you use the remote for the box, you don't need a TV at all.

The remote changes the box, and the TV is just a dumb receiver.

Of course there are now smart TVs that will connect to your router and allow you to do netflix and the like, but you can do that without a TV too.

Glenn

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 7:29 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

This is very interesting.

 

So, if you had the cable box, for instance, and a speaker hooked into the box, how would you change the channels?  I thought the remote had to interact with the TV, and the box was what brought in the signal.  This is good education for me.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

The screen doesn't even need to work to have Jaws work.

On desktops, you can unplug the video cable to the monitor and Jaws will still work.

It's like a TV, people think that they need a TV to watch TV if they aren't benefiting from a picture.

But with cable/satellite boxes, you can plug in speakers and disconnect the TV, or not have a TV at all.

If you are using HDMI, your audio may be going to a monitor with speakers though, in which case, you would get the audio through the sound output on the computer.

Glenn

 

From: Angel

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 2:11 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

If you turn off the laptop monitor.  Or have it to turn itself off after a set amount of minutes, will that effect the performance of the screen reader?  Or does the screen readers require the monitor to be on to work satisfactorily.  I would love to be able to turn off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my desk top monitor.  But, should my screen reader not work, when I did this, how would any sighted person assist to turn it back on again.  If the Jaws should fail to work. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hey Judy,
If you use the remote for the box, you don't need a TV at all.
The remote changes the box, and the TV is just a dumb receiver.
Of course there are now smart TVs that will connect to your router and allow you to do netflix and the like, but you can do that without a TV too.
Glenn

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

This is very interesting.

 

So, if you had the cable box, for instance, and a speaker hooked into the box, how would you change the channels?  I thought the remote had to interact with the TV, and the box was what brought in the signal.  This is good education for me.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

The screen doesn't even need to work to have Jaws work.

On desktops, you can unplug the video cable to the monitor and Jaws will still work.

It's like a TV, people think that they need a TV to watch TV if they aren't benefiting from a picture.

But with cable/satellite boxes, you can plug in speakers and disconnect the TV, or not have a TV at all.

If you are using HDMI, your audio may be going to a monitor with speakers though, in which case, you would get the audio through the sound output on the computer.

Glenn

 

From: Angel

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 2:11 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

If you turn off the laptop monitor.  Or have it to turn itself off after a set amount of minutes, will that effect the performance of the screen reader?  Or does the screen readers require the monitor to be on to work satisfactorily.  I would love to be able to turn off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my desk top monitor.  But, should my screen reader not work, when I did this, how would any sighted person assist to turn it back on again.  If the Jaws should fail to work. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Jaws Announcing Selected Text

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Howdy All,
 
Running Windows 7 & 10 pro with J16 thru J2019 latest.  When selecting all the text in a text / Notepad file Jaws used to report how many characters wer selected, but not any more.  What or where do I need to go to find this setting so I can get this function back?  All help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
I believe that everything happens for a reason. Usually, the reason is that somebody screwed up.
 


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

This is very interesting.

 

So, if you had the cable box, for instance, and a speaker hooked into the box, how would you change the channels?  I thought the remote had to interact with the TV, and the box was what brought in the signal.  This is good education for me.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

The screen doesn't even need to work to have Jaws work.

On desktops, you can unplug the video cable to the monitor and Jaws will still work.

It's like a TV, people think that they need a TV to watch TV if they aren't benefiting from a picture.

But with cable/satellite boxes, you can plug in speakers and disconnect the TV, or not have a TV at all.

If you are using HDMI, your audio may be going to a monitor with speakers though, in which case, you would get the audio through the sound output on the computer.

Glenn

 

From: Angel

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 2:11 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

If you turn off the laptop monitor.  Or have it to turn itself off after a set amount of minutes, will that effect the performance of the screen reader?  Or does the screen readers require the monitor to be on to work satisfactorily.  I would love to be able to turn off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my desk top monitor.  But, should my screen reader not work, when I did this, how would any sighted person assist to turn it back on again.  If the Jaws should fail to work. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

I would just put your power plan so that the PC does nothing when you close the lid, then you don’t have to worry about a monitor adjustment and could use an external PC.

 

I did have a PC where the screen had broken, I didn’t realize it, and was using it all along, but the repair person told me the screen visually was useless.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 12:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

If you turn off the laptop monitor.  Or have it to turn itself off after a set amount of minutes, will that effect the performance of the screen reader?  Or does the screen readers require the monitor to be on to work satisfactorily.  I would love to be able to turn off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my desk top monitor.  But, should my screen reader not work, when I did this, how would any sighted person assist to turn it back on again.  If the Jaws should fail to work. 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Moving Email In WLM

Glenn / Lenny
 

When you are on a message, it's selected already.
You can hold the shift key and arrow through consecutive messages and move them.
You can search for a bunch and select some or all of them and move them.
On maximizing, do alt + Space, and X.
I think windows + up arrow maximizes too.
Glenn

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM

How do I select the email that I want to move?
 
If I am sitting on the email and hit  the context key, there is no move function.
 
If I hit V, also does nothing.
 
-Bob
.
 
From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
 
Select the messages you want to move, press the context key and choose Move or press the letter v,. The folders will be displayed so just arrow to the one where you want the messages.
 
From: Robert Ringwald
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:16 AM
To: Jaws
Subject: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
 
Win 10
Latest Jaws
WLM 12
 
To move an email to a folder in WLM, I use ctrl shift V. Neither Jaws nor Window Eyes will read the list of folders.
 
Any ideas?
 
Bob Ringwald
Amateur (ham) radio station K6YBV
www.ringwald.com


Re: Moving Email In WLM

Robert Ringwald
 

How do I select the email that I want to move?
 
If I am sitting on the email and hit  the context key, there is no move function.
 
If I hit V, also does nothing.
 
-Bob
.
 

From: Marie
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
 
Select the messages you want to move, press the context key and choose Move or press the letter v,. The folders will be displayed so just arrow to the one where you want the messages.
 
From: Robert Ringwald
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:16 AM
To: Jaws
Subject: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
 
Win 10
Latest Jaws
WLM 12
 
To move an email to a folder in WLM, I use ctrl shift V. Neither Jaws nor Window Eyes will read the list of folders.
 
Any ideas?
 
Bob Ringwald
Amateur (ham) radio station K6YBV
www.ringwald.com


Re: Moving Email In WLM

Robert Ringwald
 

I used to know how to maximize a window in WE. But forgot.
 
How do I     DO IT IN jaws?
 
.

From: Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
 
Are your windows maximized?
Or at least the eMail window?
 
 
 
From: Robert Ringwald
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Jaws
Subject: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
 
Win 10
Latest Jaws
WLM 12
 
To move an email to a folder in WLM, I use ctrl shift V. Neither Jaws nor Window Eyes will read the list of folders.
 
Any ideas?
 
Bob Ringwald
Amateur (ham) radio station K6YBV
www.ringwald.com


Re: Moving Email In WLM

Marie
 

Select the messages you want to move, press the context key and choose Move or press the letter v,. The folders will be displayed so just arrow to the one where you want the messages.
 

From: Robert Ringwald
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:16 AM
To: Jaws
Subject: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM
 
Win 10
Latest Jaws
WLM 12
 
To move an email to a folder in WLM, I use ctrl shift V. Neither Jaws nor Window Eyes will read the list of folders.
 
Any ideas?
 
Bob Ringwald
Amateur (ham) radio station K6YBV
www.ringwald.com


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

The screen doesn't even need to work to have Jaws work.
On desktops, you can unplug the video cable to the monitor and Jaws will still work.
It's like a TV, people think that they need a TV to watch TV if they aren't benefiting from a picture.
But with cable/satellite boxes, you can plug in speakers and disconnect the TV, or not have a TV at all.
If you are using HDMI, your audio may be going to a monitor with speakers though, in which case, you would get the audio through the sound output on the computer.
Glenn

From: Angel
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

If you turn off the laptop monitor.  Or have it to turn itself off after a set amount of minutes, will that effect the performance of the screen reader?  Or does the screen readers require the monitor to be on to work satisfactorily.  I would love to be able to turn off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my desk top monitor.  But, should my screen reader not work, when I did this, how would any sighted person assist to turn it back on again.  If the Jaws should fail to work. 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Angel
 


If you turn off the laptop monitor.  Or have it to turn itself off after a set amount of minutes, will that effect the performance of the screen reader?  Or does the screen readers require the monitor to be on to work satisfactorily.  I would love to be able to turn off my lap top monitor, as I use to turn off my desk top monitor.  But, should my screen reader not work, when I did this, how would any sighted person assist to turn it back on again.  If the Jaws should fail to work. 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Reading and Acting on Notifications in Windows 10

Michael Babcock
 

Hold The windows logo key, and tap the letter a, and this should open your notifications for you. I remember it by opening my alert, versus notifications, if that makes it an easier.


On Aug 1, 2019 at 2:51 PM, Matthew Chao via Groups.Io <mattchao@...> wrote:

Hi, Folks.  How do I check and see if I have any notifications in

Windows 10? I'm using a desktop PC running Windows 10 and the most
current version of JAWS. Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao





Reading and Acting on Notifications in Windows 10

Matthew Chao
 

Hi, Folks. How do I check and see if I have any notifications in Windows 10? I'm using a desktop PC running Windows 10 and the most current version of JAWS. Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


Need a software KVM

Tony
 

Does anyone know of a software KVM for windows?  My hardware KVM is having problems with my wireless keyboard.

 

Tony


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Justin Williams
 

I have an external keyboard.  When I need to save space, I just put the keyboard onto the laptop.

 

I've got three cheap keyboards.

Two at home, and one to carry with me.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 2:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yep, my husband just got a Thinkpad, same thing, no num pad, no problem, Use caps-lock with numbers 7 or 8 to simulate left or right mouse buttons.  Caps-lock p for Jaws cursor, and caps-lock left bracket to root Jaws to PC.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

That is always nice, but sometimes we don't want a laptop that big.

Plus that makes for a more expensive laptop.

I've gotten to where I can use a 10 inch laptop if I have some dots on a few specific keys.

Glenn

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

No I think the best thing is to get a laptop with a number on it


On Aug 1, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Judy Jones <sonshines59@...> wrote:

O pooh!  Plus, you would want a key combination you could do with one hand.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I looked in keyboard manager, and I cannot find anything for the escape function, or alt + F4 to add to insert + enter.

There's no insert + enter to add alt + F4 to either.

There is control + W that I could set to do when doing insert + enter, but that would not close an eMail message.

Glenn

.

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:52 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Let us know if it works, or could you do it with a key closer to the insert, assuming you’re talking about the num pad?  I don’t know about remapping, although I understand generally what it is.  I have done it on my Android phone.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Maybe I could remap insert + enter to do the escape function.

Glenn

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

Yep, my husband just got a Thinkpad, same thing, no num pad, no problem, Use caps-lock with numbers 7 or 8 to simulate left or right mouse buttons.  Caps-lock p for Jaws cursor, and caps-lock left bracket to root Jaws to PC.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

That is always nice, but sometimes we don't want a laptop that big.

Plus that makes for a more expensive laptop.

I've gotten to where I can use a 10 inch laptop if I have some dots on a few specific keys.

Glenn

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

No I think the best thing is to get a laptop with a number on it


On Aug 1, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Judy Jones <sonshines59@...> wrote:

O pooh!  Plus, you would want a key combination you could do with one hand.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I looked in keyboard manager, and I cannot find anything for the escape function, or alt + F4 to add to insert + enter.

There's no insert + enter to add alt + F4 to either.

There is control + W that I could set to do when doing insert + enter, but that would not close an eMail message.

Glenn

.

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:52 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Let us know if it works, or could you do it with a key closer to the insert, assuming you’re talking about the num pad?  I don’t know about remapping, although I understand generally what it is.  I have done it on my Android phone.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Maybe I could remap insert + enter to do the escape function.

Glenn

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

That is always nice, but sometimes we don't want a laptop that big.
Plus that makes for a more expensive laptop.
I've gotten to where I can use a 10 inch laptop if I have some dots on a few specific keys.
Glenn

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

No I think the best thing is to get a laptop with a number on it


On Aug 1, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Judy Jones <sonshines59@...> wrote:

O pooh!  Plus, you would want a key combination you could do with one hand.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I looked in keyboard manager, and I cannot find anything for the escape function, or alt + F4 to add to insert + enter.

There's no insert + enter to add alt + F4 to either.

There is control + W that I could set to do when doing insert + enter, but that would not close an eMail message.

Glenn

.

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:52 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Let us know if it works, or could you do it with a key closer to the insert, assuming you’re talking about the num pad?  I don’t know about remapping, although I understand generally what it is.  I have done it on my Android phone.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Maybe I could remap insert + enter to do the escape function.

Glenn

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Cristóbal
 

NVDA’s no slouch and I’m sure some of the issue is simple muscle memory, but truly, I find having to use the arrows for pretty much all of the navigation commands instead of the capslock and letters to avoid having to move around so much to be a deal breaker for me. The thing is, a lot of the commands Jaws uses to navigate by paragraph, line, word etc aren’t even used by NVDA. I think there’s one add-on where it’ll allow you to use the shift and alt keys along with the arrow keys to navigate by sentence, but even then , you still always have to go back and forth between the main keyboard and arrow keys for every little thing.

If someone came up with an add-on to mimic these functions, I’d maybe try sticking with NVDA longer, but I guess it’s not that big an issue for a lot of folks since no one’s really addressed it.

In the meantime, I’m perfectly happy with Jaws and the flexibility it gives me to use either the numpad or alphanumeric part of the keyboard to do pretty much anything.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:14 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, NVDA is my backup, too, but I know people who absolutely love it, so I believe it is all in what you get used to.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I like NVDA, but it is not as intuitive as Jaws, and it will always be a backup screenreader to me.

If someone could make a Jaws layout for NVDA, I think it would be more popular, but it may not be possible.

Window Eyes did this to their credit.

And Microsoft did this long ago for Word users, giving the user the option to use WordPerfect commands.

Glenn

 

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 1:03 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

The laptop keyboard layout and the ability to navigate without always having to move your hands back and forth between the arrow keys and alphanumeric part is the main reason why I haven’t switched to NVDA or even given serious thought to using it more. NVDA’s nice and all, but always having to use the arrow keys for line or paragraph navigation etc is a behavior I just can’t get past. There isn’t even an add-on to modify this behavior.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:47 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Mitchell
 

No I think the best thing is to get a laptop with a number on it


On Aug 1, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Judy Jones <sonshines59@...> wrote:

O pooh!  Plus, you would want a key combination you could do with one hand.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 11:08 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I looked in keyboard manager, and I cannot find anything for the escape function, or alt + F4 to add to insert + enter.

There's no insert + enter to add alt + F4 to either.

There is control + W that I could set to do when doing insert + enter, but that would not close an eMail message.

Glenn

.

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:52 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Let us know if it works, or could you do it with a key closer to the insert, assuming you’re talking about the num pad?  I don’t know about remapping, although I understand generally what it is.  I have done it on my Android phone.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:50 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Maybe I could remap insert + enter to do the escape function.

Glenn

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

One handed is good sometimes, I sometimes like to read web pages or eMails while eating.

The only thing the number pad lacks is an escape key when reading messages.

If there is an unused key combination on the number pad I have considered making a key map for escape for it.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Yes, of course that works, its just that you can do this with one hand using the num pad insert key.   But that laptop layout is great, and my preferred.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Judy,

With laptop layout I use caps lock plus up arrow to read current line.

Glenn

 

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Oh yes, very doable, and quicker to adapt than you might think.

 

It is true you don’t have to move your hands, as much off the keys when using the laptop layout, but I also like hitting the insert key with the arrow-up, right there together when wanting to read current line.  Otherwise, I mostly use the laptop layout, and use the desktop layout when the keycombinations I need are close to the num pad.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 10:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.

But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.

But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.

I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.

Glenn

 

 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: all of a sudden jaws has become an "allow through UAC program"

netbat66
 

if this was the case i think both versions of jaws would pop up the UAC.
thats why i think the jaws desktop icon properties is set to run as administrator.
then the UAC would pop up every time you load it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Byron Stephens
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] all of a sudden jaws has become an "allow through UAC program"


Sounds like a uac sensetivity issue. The farther you have it up it comes up all the more.

----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:55 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] all of a sudden jaws has become an "allow through UAC program"

This is only when using Jaws 18;19 is fine and works as always. I understand the UAC message comes up when installing or changing something in any program. But Jaws has never presented that "do you want to allow" message simply upon opening it from the desktop. Does anyone know what happened? Should I reinstall or try a repair? I shouldn't have to allow upon opening it every single time, and I wonder if I did something that now brings up UAC?

Joanne