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Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

I don't know why anyone would prefer to navigate with the number pad, it's a longer reach than the four arrow keys.
But it does take a concerted effort to make the change I know, because I too used to carry around a desktop keyboard with a laptop, but it was mostly for the bigger spaces between the keys than it was for the number pad.
But it is good for the brain to learn to adapt.
I'm sure I could adapt to laptop keyboards without dots on some of the keys if I had to.
Glenn
 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Mike Bernard
 

Well what else can you do? ignore them. (smile) I know how that feels. I used to use a laptop that I’d borrow from the testing center at school. Their keyboard didn’t have a numpad which made using the screen reader rather difficult. Eventually I had to switch to a full pc. The only reason I had to use the laptop for a while was because there were issues with getting the screen reader software installed on the pcs, that is, until they had changed their policy. Now all computers have screen readers, in the library, computer labs, Etc and I no longer have to deal with those scronny laptop keyboards. So basically, just do what you feel you have to do and ignore those who poke fun at you about carrying around an external keyboard.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

LeDon
 

Yes, you don’t need a numb pad the lap top keyboard is easy to use and learn. In fact I much prefer it . You can do most selections without moving your fingers from the keyboard home typing position.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 7:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Not using the computer screen.

Judy Jones
 

That’s true, very handy for keeping the streaming going.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Not using the computer screen.

 

I always adjust my power plan as you describe so I can carry it around the house without it shutting down or going to sleep.

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 11:09 AM

Subject: [jaws-users] Not using the computer screen.

 

Hi,

 

For those of us using screen readers and not relying on the screen, it is easy to create your own “privacy screen, by simply turning off the monitor on the desktop variety.

 

For a laptop, why couldn’t you adjust your power plan for “do nothing,” when lid is closed, close the lid, and plug in your external keyboard?

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

Re: Not using the computer screen.

Glenn / Lenny
 

I always adjust my power plan as you describe so I can carry it around the house without it shutting down or going to sleep.

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 11:09 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] Not using the computer screen.

Hi,

 

For those of us using screen readers and not relying on the screen, it is easy to create your own “privacy screen, by simply turning off the monitor on the desktop variety.

 

For a laptop, why couldn’t you adjust your power plan for “do nothing,” when lid is closed, close the lid, and plug in your external keyboard?

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

Richard Turner
 

Insert key is the Narrator key, NVDA key and the Jaws key.
They all should just call it the insert key instead of pretending it is their key.


Richard

Arthur C. Clarke's third law says: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
(Sent from the magical iPhone SE)
www.turner42.com
 

On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Robin <robin-melvin@...> wrote:

 Excuse Me, Which "Key" on the Querty KeyBoard is Microsoft's Narrator "Key"?
At 06:37 AM 8/1/2019, you wrote:
you could always use narrator.
 
 
Explore your keyboard
Input learning tells you what keys you're pressing on your keyboard, and the Narrator command associated with them. Turn on input learning by pressing
Narrator + 1 (the number 1 key). Turn it off by pressing Narrator + 1 twice.May 21, 2019
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
I am not able to install NVDA on my work computer due to it is open source. 
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
hi, forgot to mention,
if you use NVDA, and access the input help, inser+#1, all the keys you mentioned are announce, even, left alt right alt, left windows, left and right ctrl.
 
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io < jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
Well, if you've used the keylearn feature in jaws, insert+#1,
you will have discovered, the only two keys that will give some information when they're pressed are, the tab key, and the capslock key.
the, alt, ctrl, and windows keys no info,
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io < jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
Hi All,
 
When turning keyboard help on.  Is their a way to have JAWS announce the below keys?  I perform keyboard assessments with people and during my assessment I would like to make sure they are pressing the correct key.  Using JAWS 2019 and Windows 10. 
 
Tab
Caps lock
Alt key
Spacebar
Control
Windows key

Not using the computer screen.

Judy Jones
 

Hi,

 

For those of us using screen readers and not relying on the screen, it is easy to create your own “privacy screen, by simply turning off the monitor on the desktop variety.

 

For a laptop, why couldn’t you adjust your power plan for “do nothing,” when lid is closed, close the lid, and plug in your external keyboard?

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

They are wonderful, and wedidn’t get ours until the nineties, when the college my hubby was working for was warehousing all theirs.  We had one given to us because they were trying to get rid of them.  I wonder how many offices or institutions of learning have some mothballed somewhere.

 

At work, we still had our Selectric 2 we hung onto and still used in the office from time to time.  For me, it was a great tool for writing on sticky notes, making out office deposit slips, etc.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I always wanted a selectric, but they cost more than I want to spend on one now adays.

Glenn

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi,

 

I was a typist long before computers were on the scene and long before I had my first laptop in 2007.

 

One time, when typing on a greeting card on our IBM Selectric, I accidently double-tapped the caps-lock on the typewriter hahahaha.  Muscle memory really does work, even when you don’t need it to.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I think that laptop layout should be the default, since I think most people like having that extra functionality, and most people don't understand that they wouldn't even know that it was on until they needed that extra functionality.

And the having to double-tap the capslock is probably a plus for poor typists anyway, because poor typists often inadvertently press the caps lock more than better typists do.

Glenn

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi, Debbie and All,

 

You’re reminding me that when I started to work, the computer I had was not a laptop, but I liked the convenience of the Jawskey being the caps lock, so kept the laptop settings on my desktop, and enjoyed the convenience of either using the numpad or caps lock, depending on what the other hand was doing at the time.  It worked out very well having the best of both to hand.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

I always wanted a selectric, but they cost more than I want to spend on one now adays.
Glenn

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Hi,

 

I was a typist long before computers were on the scene and long before I had my first laptop in 2007.

 

One time, when typing on a greeting card on our IBM Selectric, I accidently double-tapped the caps-lock on the typewriter hahahaha.  Muscle memory really does work, even when you don’t need it to.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I think that laptop layout should be the default, since I think most people like having that extra functionality, and most people don't understand that they wouldn't even know that it was on until they needed that extra functionality.

And the having to double-tap the capslock is probably a plus for poor typists anyway, because poor typists often inadvertently press the caps lock more than better typists do.

Glenn

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi, Debbie and All,

 

You’re reminding me that when I started to work, the computer I had was not a laptop, but I liked the convenience of the Jawskey being the caps lock, so kept the laptop settings on my desktop, and enjoyed the convenience of either using the numpad or caps lock, depending on what the other hand was doing at the time.  It worked out very well having the best of both to hand.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

Robin
 

Excuse Me, Which "Key" on the Querty KeyBoard is Microsoft's Narrator "Key"?

At 06:37 AM 8/1/2019, you wrote:
you could always use narrator.
 
 
Explore your keyboard
Input learning tells you what keys you're pressing on your keyboard, and the Narrator command associated with them. Turn on input learning by pressing
Narrator + 1 (the number 1 key). Turn it off by pressing Narrator + 1 twice.May 21, 2019
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
I am not able to install NVDA on my work computer due to it is open source. 
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
hi, forgot to mention,
if you use NVDA, and access the input help, inser+#1, all the keys you mentioned are announce, even, left alt right alt, left windows, left and right ctrl.
 
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io < jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
Well, if you've used the keylearn feature in jaws, insert+#1,
you will have discovered, the only two keys that will give some information when they're pressed are, the tab key, and the capslock key.
the, alt, ctrl, and windows keys no info,
 
       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.
 
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io < jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help
 
Hi All,
 
When turning keyboard help on.  Is their a way to have JAWS announce the below keys?  I perform keyboard assessments with people and during my assessment I would like to make sure they are pressing the correct key.  Using JAWS 2019 and Windows 10. 
 
Tab
Caps lock
Alt key
Spacebar
Control
Windows key

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

Hi,

 

I was a typist long before computers were on the scene and long before I had my first laptop in 2007.

 

One time, when typing on a greeting card on our IBM Selectric, I accidently double-tapped the caps-lock on the typewriter hahahaha.  Muscle memory really does work, even when you don’t need it to.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I think that laptop layout should be the default, since I think most people like having that extra functionality, and most people don't understand that they wouldn't even know that it was on until they needed that extra functionality.

And the having to double-tap the capslock is probably a plus for poor typists anyway, because poor typists often inadvertently press the caps lock more than better typists do.

Glenn

 

From: Judy Jones

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi, Debbie and All,

 

You’re reminding me that when I started to work, the computer I had was not a laptop, but I liked the convenience of the Jawskey being the caps lock, so kept the laptop settings on my desktop, and enjoyed the convenience of either using the numpad or caps lock, depending on what the other hand was doing at the time.  It worked out very well having the best of both to hand.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

I love how you can simultaneously use the laptop layout on a desktop computer with keyboard with number pad.  You have the best of everything to hand.  For those of you with a number pad keyboard, switch to laptop layout and you will still have your number pad functionality, plus the caps-lock Jaws key when convenient.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

I had no intention of learning laptop layout when I switched to JAWS.  However, if memory serves correctly, I want to use caps lock as an alternative JAWS key and this did not work as I wanted it to when in desktop mode.  I turned on laptop mode and have really found it quite intuitive as someone still relatively new to JAWS.  It’s like your right hand is sitting on the numpad already, so you just get used to thinking of your right hand sitting there and the position of the keys is the same.   So, if a command says to use insert and the numpad 5, I just think of how my hand would be sitting on the 4, 5 and 6 keys on the numpad and hit the corresponding key on the querty part of the keyboard.  Hope that makes sense.  It was easier for me than trying to remember that same command as insert k. 

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Sherry Wells
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 7:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

There are only a few differences between using the laptop & external keyboard, mostly the insert key.  If you can get used to that, I’d recommend sticking with the laptop.  You’ll probably be mostly using a laptop from here on in.  Attaching an external keyboard to it is clunky if you can & still want to see the screen. 

 

You might be able to find an external numeric keypad which would be smaller & could sit right next to your laptop. 

 

Sherry Wells

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michelle Bernstein
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 7:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein



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thunderbird questions

Lenny McHugh
 

Since I still can’t get wlm to use spell check I am thinking about thunderbird. Does thunderbird have a spell check feature?

Also in wlm I have about 10 folders in which message rules direct the posts. Cam thunderbird do this as well? Also can thunderbird import an exported wlm message file? I have about 1,000 messages saved in   wlm folders on my win 7 machine and would like to keep them.


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Re: Moving Email In WLM

Glenn / Lenny
 

Are your windows maximized?
Or at least the eMail window?
 
 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:16 AM
To: Jaws
Subject: [jaws-users] Moving Email In WLM

Win 10
Latest Jaws
WLM 12
 
To move an email to a folder in WLM, I use ctrl shift V. Neither Jaws nor Window Eyes will read the list of folders.
 
Any ideas?
 
Bob Ringwald
Amateur (ham) radio station K6YBV
www.ringwald.com

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

I think that laptop layout should be the default, since I think most people like having that extra functionality, and most people don't understand that they wouldn't even know that it was on until they needed that extra functionality.
And the having to double-tap the capslock is probably a plus for poor typists anyway, because poor typists often inadvertently press the caps lock more than better typists do.
Glenn

From: Judy Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Hi, Debbie and All,

 

You’re reminding me that when I started to work, the computer I had was not a laptop, but I liked the convenience of the Jawskey being the caps lock, so kept the laptop settings on my desktop, and enjoyed the convenience of either using the numpad or caps lock, depending on what the other hand was doing at the time.  It worked out very well having the best of both to hand.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Van Lant, Robin
 

I had no intention of learning laptop layout when I switched to JAWS.  However, if memory serves correctly, I want to use caps lock as an alternative JAWS key and this did not work as I wanted it to when in desktop mode.  I turned on laptop mode and have really found it quite intuitive as someone still relatively new to JAWS.  It’s like your right hand is sitting on the numpad already, so you just get used to thinking of your right hand sitting there and the position of the keys is the same.   So, if a command says to use insert and the numpad 5, I just think of how my hand would be sitting on the 4, 5 and 6 keys on the numpad and hit the corresponding key on the querty part of the keyboard.  Hope that makes sense.  It was easier for me than trying to remember that same command as insert k. 

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Sherry Wells
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 7:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

There are only a few differences between using the laptop & external keyboard, mostly the insert key.  If you can get used to that, I’d recommend sticking with the laptop.  You’ll probably be mostly using a laptop from here on in.  Attaching an external keyboard to it is clunky if you can & still want to see the screen. 

 

You might be able to find an external numeric keypad which would be smaller & could sit right next to your laptop. 

 

Sherry Wells

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michelle Bernstein
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 7:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein



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Moving Email In WLM

Robert Ringwald
 

Win 10
Latest Jaws
WLM 12
 
To move an email to a folder in WLM, I use ctrl shift V. Neither Jaws nor Window Eyes will read the list of folders.
 
Any ideas?
 
Bob Ringwald
Amateur (ham) radio station K6YBV
www.ringwald.com

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

Hi, Debbie and All,

 

You’re reminding me that when I started to work, the computer I had was not a laptop, but I liked the convenience of the Jawskey being the caps lock, so kept the laptop settings on my desktop, and enjoyed the convenience of either using the numpad or caps lock, depending on what the other hand was doing at the time.  It worked out very well having the best of both to hand.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein

Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

Glenn / Lenny
 

Can you run the portable version on a thumb drive?
 

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

I am not able to install NVDA on my work computer due to it is open source. 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

hi, forgot to mention,

if you use NVDA, and access the input help, inser+#1, all the keys you mentioned are announce, even, left alt right alt, left windows, left and right ctrl.

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Well, if you've used the keylearn feature in jaws, insert+#1,

you will have discovered, the only two keys that will give some information when they're pressed are, the tab key, and the capslock key.

the, alt, ctrl, and windows keys no info,

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Hi All,

 

When turning keyboard help on.  Is their a way to have JAWS announce the below keys?  I perform keyboard assessments with people and during my assessment I would like to make sure they are pressing the correct key.  Using JAWS 2019 and Windows 10. 

 

Tab

Caps lock

Alt key

Spacebar

Control

Windows key

Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Judy Jones
 

Hi,

 

My first laptop did not have a numpad, so you will be fine.  I had that laptop and successfully used for six years.

 

Judy

“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Michelle Bernstein
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein