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Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi Michelle,
I actually don't use my number pad that much, and when I use my laptop, there is a command for routing the jaws cursor.
But the thing I like about a desktop keyboard over a laptop one is not the sometimes lack of a number pad, but the closeness of the keys on a laptop.
The function keys on laptops rarely have separations between the three groups of four keys.
So for my laptops, I use loc dots on specific keys.
The keys I put them on are:
F4 F8 F12
3 7 0
tab F G enter
windows key and application key
These specific keys allow me to find my way around as quickly as I do on a desktop keyboard.
Glenn

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

There are only a few differences between using the laptop & external keyboard, mostly the insert key.  If you can get used to that, I’d recommend sticking with the laptop.  You’ll probably be mostly using a laptop from here on in.  Attaching an external keyboard to it is clunky if you can & still want to see the screen. 

 

You might be able to find an external numeric keypad which would be smaller & could sit right next to your laptop. 

 

Sherry Wells

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michelle Bernstein
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 7:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle:

 

It is a matter of personal preference, I can only tell you what I, as a long-time JAWS user, do.  First, I always use laptop keyboard configuration, even on my desktop and full keyboard, which allows me to use the keystroke CapsLock+I to read the line the same as Insert-UpArrow on the numpad, but I am used to have my right hand on the numpad since I began using JAWS in 1989, so on my laptop I normally use an external keyboard with numpad.

 

Humberto

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michelle Bernstein
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 7:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

david
 

you could always use narrator.

 

 

Explore your keyboard

Input learning tells you what keys you're pressing on your keyboard, and the Narrator command associated with them. Turn on input learning by pressing

Narrator + 1 (the number 1 key). Turn it off by pressing Narrator + 1 twice.May 21, 2019

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

I am not able to install NVDA on my work computer due to it is open source. 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

hi, forgot to mention,

if you use NVDA, and access the input help, inser+#1, all the keys you mentioned are announce, even, left alt right alt, left windows, left and right ctrl.

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Well, if you've used the keylearn feature in jaws, insert+#1,

you will have discovered, the only two keys that will give some information when they're pressed are, the tab key, and the capslock key.

the, alt, ctrl, and windows keys no info,

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Hi All,

 

When turning keyboard help on.  Is their a way to have JAWS announce the below keys?  I perform keyboard assessments with people and during my assessment I would like to make sure they are pressing the correct key.  Using JAWS 2019 and Windows 10. 

 

Tab

Caps lock

Alt key

Spacebar

Control

Windows key


Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

Cook, Steve
 

I am not able to install NVDA on my work computer due to it is open source. 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:19 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

hi, forgot to mention,

if you use NVDA, and access the input help, inser+#1, all the keys you mentioned are announce, even, left alt right alt, left windows, left and right ctrl.

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Well, if you've used the keylearn feature in jaws, insert+#1,

you will have discovered, the only two keys that will give some information when they're pressed are, the tab key, and the capslock key.

the, alt, ctrl, and windows keys no info,

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Hi All,

 

When turning keyboard help on.  Is their a way to have JAWS announce the below keys?  I perform keyboard assessments with people and during my assessment I would like to make sure they are pressing the correct key.  Using JAWS 2019 and Windows 10. 

 

Tab

Caps lock

Alt key

Spacebar

Control

Windows key


Re: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

Cook, Steve
 

Yes, I know those keys do announce, but I still would not know if they pressed the windows key, alt key ETC.  Unless I put my finger where their finger is located.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [External] Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Well, if you've used the keylearn feature in jaws, insert+#1,

you will have discovered, the only two keys that will give some information when they're pressed are, the tab key, and the capslock key.

the, alt, ctrl, and windows keys no info,

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Hi All,

 

When turning keyboard help on.  Is their a way to have JAWS announce the below keys?  I perform keyboard assessments with people and during my assessment I would like to make sure they are pressing the correct key.  Using JAWS 2019 and Windows 10. 

 

Tab

Caps lock

Alt key

Spacebar

Control

Windows key


Re: Keyboard Help

david
 

hi, forgot to mention,

if you use NVDA, and access the input help, inser+#1, all the keys you mentioned are announce, even, left alt right alt, left windows, left and right ctrl.

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Well, if you've used the keylearn feature in jaws, insert+#1,

you will have discovered, the only two keys that will give some information when they're pressed are, the tab key, and the capslock key.

the, alt, ctrl, and windows keys no info,

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Hi All,

 

When turning keyboard help on.  Is their a way to have JAWS announce the below keys?  I perform keyboard assessments with people and during my assessment I would like to make sure they are pressing the correct key.  Using JAWS 2019 and Windows 10. 

 

Tab

Caps lock

Alt key

Spacebar

Control

Windows key


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Gaston Bedard
 

I also have an external full size keyboard connected to my Asus laptop.

Being blind, I turn off the computer screen.

Turning off the laptop screen saves on electricity and power.

But, this Asus laptop does not have an on and off switch.

I found out the keyboard shourtcut, Function key plus F7, turns off the laptop screen.

This shortcut, Function key plus F7, is done on the laptop keyboard.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: August-01-19 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?



From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?



Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,



I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.



I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.



The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.



Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?



Thank you in advance for any assistance.



Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Keyboard Help

david
 

Well, if you've used the keylearn feature in jaws, insert+#1,

you will have discovered, the only two keys that will give some information when they're pressed are, the tab key, and the capslock key.

the, alt, ctrl, and windows keys no info,

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:51 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Keyboard Help

 

Hi All,

 

When turning keyboard help on.  Is their a way to have JAWS announce the below keys?  I perform keyboard assessments with people and during my assessment I would like to make sure they are pressing the correct key.  Using JAWS 2019 and Windows 10. 

 

Tab

Caps lock

Alt key

Spacebar

Control

Windows key


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Sherry Wells
 

There are only a few differences between using the laptop & external keyboard, mostly the insert key.  If you can get used to that, I’d recommend sticking with the laptop.  You’ll probably be mostly using a laptop from here on in.  Attaching an external keyboard to it is clunky if you can & still want to see the screen. 

 

You might be able to find an external numeric keypad which would be smaller & could sit right next to your laptop. 

 

Sherry Wells

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Michelle Bernstein
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 7:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Keyboard Help

Cook, Steve
 

Hi All,

 

When turning keyboard help on.  Is their a way to have JAWS announce the below keys?  I perform keyboard assessments with people and during my assessment I would like to make sure they are pressing the correct key.  Using JAWS 2019 and Windows 10. 

 

Tab

Caps lock

Alt key

Spacebar

Control

Windows key


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Mike Ulrich
 

I too use an external full size desk top keyboard with my Lenovo laptop.

Back when I originally learned how to use JAWS; they taught me on a full size desktop keyboard. Although today; I wish I’d of learned on a laptop keyboard. I’ve tried learning the laptop keyboard, but I just don’t have the patience.

People probably think I’m nuts; when I’m traveling with my laptop in its laptop bag; with a full sized desktop keyboard sticking out of it! But whatcha gonna do?

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

 

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

 

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

 

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

 

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

 

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Re: Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Debby Hill
 

Hi Michelle,

This is really one of those personal preference things. However, if you are only going to use your laptop with JAWS and you haven't been using JAWS on a desktop computer, then I think it would be just fine to learn and use the laptop settings.

When I got my laptop, I bought an external keyboard with a numpad because I also use a desktop here at home and a ⠙⠑⠎⠅⠞⠕⠏ when volunteering. I know I'm a wimp, but switching all the time between the two layouts would have made me go silly!

Good Luck!

Debby

On Aug 1, 2019 7:56 AM, Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


Is it worth learning the adaptations for a laptop or instead buy an external keyboard with a numpad?

Michelle Bernstein <hamletsweetlady@...>
 

Hi everyone,

I am beginning to learn JAWS, having used Zoomtext as my reader for many years.

I use a laptop which does not have a numpad.

The JAWS support page offers an audio tutorial on how to modify my keystrokes for a laptop.

Would you recommend that I teach myself these modifications or instead purchase an external keyboard with a numpad which plugs into the laptop by a USB port?

Thank you in advance for any assistance.

Regards, Michelle Bernstein


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Re: best email cliant for win 10

Audiobookfan
 

I didn't like Outlook when I tried it years ago and I didn't want to buy it either. I use Thunderbird and like it a lot. It's free and works well on my Windows 10 computer.

Jeff

On 7/31/2019 5:52 AM, Russ wrote:
In my case, I don’t have outlook.  I didn’t want to buy it.  I’ve been using wlm 2012 since I got this windows 10 computer a couple of years back.
*From:* Judy Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2019 7:24 AM
*To:* jaws-users-list@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [jaws-users] best email cliant for win 10
Yes, I agree, I found WLM to be clunky in action, and have ceased having problems since installing Outlook several years ago.
Judy
“Embrace the day with its mercies and blessings.”
*From:*jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Mike Capelle
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2019 7:03 AM
*To:* jaws-users-list@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [jaws-users] best email cliant for win 10
I agree, I use outlook, windows live will not work on my win ten system.
*From:*jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Jim Pursley
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2019 7:43 AM
*To:* jaws-users-list@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [jaws-users] best email cliant for win 10
Outlook or Thunderbird, in my opinion.  Outlook is easy to use if everything is working properly and can be suited to individual preference. It's perfect for a high email volume.  I use it for work.  I use Thunderbird for personal  email.  It's pretty straightforward yet much faster and easier to use than, say, gmail on its own site.
On 7/30/2019 4:15 AM, Lenny McHugh wrote:
Since I can no longer get wlm to work on this machine what is the
best email program to use?
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Unmute and refresh screen commands can't be separated

Adrian Spratt
 

This is an update on a thread from last week.

 

the key combination JAWS key+escape has two unrelated functions. If you have sound muted, it will unmute it. Unfortunately, it will also refresh the screen, a function I use a lot. When I refresh the screen and have sound muted, the keystroke also brings back the sound, whether or not I want it to.

 

When I reported this problem here, it was suggested that I change the key assignment. The idea made sense, but it turns out it can’t be done. So I wrote to Vispero. Here’s what they said in reply:

 

The JAWS® 2019 program has added the Unmute feature to the Refresh Screen script. The only way these two functions can be separated would be to rewrite the Refresh Screen script. If you would like to see this feature considered for a future update of JAWS, you should send a messages to suggestions@... for consideration.

 

Yes, I have written to Vispero. I hope others who have experienced this annoyance will do so also.

 


Re: expected jaws behavior

 

Hello Don:

 

In my opinion, this has nothing to do with JAWS, but with the DOCTYPE declaration of the webpage.   If you try to replace the top two lines of your webpage with just this:

 

<DOCTYPE html>

 

To indicate that it is an HTML5 page, the current standard, instead of the antiquated HTML 1.0 and xtml, I imagine you would find that the legend would be repeated each time you tab to the next control, as it should, therefore it should be a short legend, and radial choices would be chosen automatically as you down-arrow while on forms mode.

 

hTH,

 

Humberto

.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Raikes
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 1:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] expected jaws behavior

 

Hello JAWS users:

 

I need some help from the folks on this list as a representative group of “typical” JAWS users.

 

I have been tasked with creating a short class on how to test web pages for accessibility, and I have run into a situation where JAWS is not behaving the way I would have expected, so I want some feedback from other s on how you would expect jaws to behave.

 

I have a webpage with a group of radio buttons on it:

http://donraikes.github.io/htmlex/radiogroup

 

If I jump to the first heading on the page, then tab to the first radio button, depending on the browser sometimes jaws will read the radiogroup label then the radio button value, some times it doesn’t read the label.

The same is true if I go past the radio group and shift-tab back to the last button in the group.

 

Sometimes I can tab through the entire list of buttons in the group sometimes tabbing once takes me into the list then the next tab takes me out of the list altogether.

 

When I use the forms quick navigation sometimes jaws reads the label then the button value sometimes it doesn’t.

 

I would appreciate any opinions/feelings on what jaws should be doing also if anyone is experiencing anything different with this particular webpage.

 

For those techie types, the page contains a form with a fieldset inside of it. The fieldset has a legend and three input tags inside of it to form the radio group.

 

Thanks in advance,

Donald

 

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Re: What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

JM Casey
 

Hey Reed!

 

Good thinking/searching. Surprised this key wasn’t assigned. I got it. Still not sure it’s going to do what I want, though. Oh well. I’m learning. *grins*…

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Reed Poynter
Sent: July 31, 2019 3:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

 

Hey JM,

 

I think I found it!

 

Hit Insert+F2 for the run JAWS Manager

Select the Keyboard Manager

Select Default and press Enter

Tab over to the list of commands,

Down-arrow to BrailleToggle8PixelsPerSpace and you will see that no shortcut is assigned,

Assign your own shortcut.

 

Reed

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: July 31, 2019 10:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

 

Hey.

 

I believe I found the same user guide. I am not looking for the six to eight dot toggle. This is a command that, as far as I know, pertains to how JAWS estimates the use of space on the braille display. It is mentioned in the braille section of the help topics, and it is advised that you can switch to “unlimited” if you have occasional issues with white space on the display. I used to know this command, in fact, on the Seika, and I can’t remember if there was an appropriate way to switch it in settings/using the JAWS menus, but I feel like there was. Although the braille section of the manual does mention this toggle, it frustratingly doesn’t actually tell you what the command is … or at least, not that I can see. I’ve looked in both the Focus manual and the list of keystrokes for this display given in the same Braille help tpics. Nothing going. I’ve used the find feature in all cases.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: July 31, 2019 10:41 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

 

You are probably right, I wasn’t paying attention, I looked up changing between 8-dot and 6-dot braille on a Focus 40 Blue.  I found the user guide on the web by just googling “focus 40 user guide.) To switch between 6-dot and 8-dot braille use cord dots 2, 3, 6.

 

I hope that is closer to the mark!

 

Debby

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 9:49 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

 

I wonder if JM is referring to dots in a cell, pins that is, and not pixels on the screen.

I don't think pixels would correctly refer to Braille pins on a Braille display.

Glenn

 

From: Debby Hill

Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 5:28 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

 

Hi,

 

I am not completely sure I understand what you are asking, but try JAWS setting center under miscellaneous. There are pixel settings in there. I know, I used to use them to adjust the spacing in the old wonderful WordPerfect.

Hope that helps!

 

Debby

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

 

Hi.

 

I used to know this because I remember pressing a two=key combinati on the Seika braille display I was using at work at the time

Now I have a Focus 40 and I cannot find this toggle anywhere. I have found a few allusions to it online. I’ve tried the JAWS command search and only come up with useless results (I seriously don’t think this feature is even working properly). I’m using JAWS 2018. Any ideas?

 

 


Re: What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

Reed Poynter
 

Hey JM,

 

I think I found it!

 

Hit Insert+F2 for the run JAWS Manager

Select the Keyboard Manager

Select Default and press Enter

Tab over to the list of commands,

Down-arrow to BrailleToggle8PixelsPerSpace and you will see that no shortcut is assigned,

Assign your own shortcut.

 

Reed

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: July 31, 2019 10:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

 

Hey.

 

I believe I found the same user guide. I am not looking for the six to eight dot toggle. This is a command that, as far as I know, pertains to how JAWS estimates the use of space on the braille display. It is mentioned in the braille section of the help topics, and it is advised that you can switch to “unlimited” if you have occasional issues with white space on the display. I used to know this command, in fact, on the Seika, and I can’t remember if there was an appropriate way to switch it in settings/using the JAWS menus, but I feel like there was. Although the braille section of the manual does mention this toggle, it frustratingly doesn’t actually tell you what the command is … or at least, not that I can see. I’ve looked in both the Focus manual and the list of keystrokes for this display given in the same Braille help tpics. Nothing going. I’ve used the find feature in all cases.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: July 31, 2019 10:41 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

 

You are probably right, I wasn’t paying attention, I looked up changing between 8-dot and 6-dot braille on a Focus 40 Blue.  I found the user guide on the web by just googling “focus 40 user guide.) To switch between 6-dot and 8-dot braille use cord dots 2, 3, 6.

 

I hope that is closer to the mark!

 

Debby

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 9:49 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

 

I wonder if JM is referring to dots in a cell, pins that is, and not pixels on the screen.

I don't think pixels would correctly refer to Braille pins on a Braille display.

Glenn

 

From: Debby Hill

Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 5:28 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

 

Hi,

 

I am not completely sure I understand what you are asking, but try JAWS setting center under miscellaneous. There are pixel settings in there. I know, I used to use them to adjust the spacing in the old wonderful WordPerfect.

Hope that helps!

 

Debby

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:50 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] What is the command for toggling 8 pixels per space?

 

Hi.

 

I used to know this because I remember pressing a two=key combinati on the Seika braille display I was using at work at the time

Now I have a Focus 40 and I cannot find this toggle anywhere. I have found a few allusions to it online. I’ve tried the JAWS command search and only come up with useless results (I seriously don’t think this feature is even working properly). I’m using JAWS 2018. Any ideas?

 

 


Re: expected jaws behavior

Van Lant, Robin
 

I tried the below link with three browsers.  I’m using JAWS 2019. 

With Edge, I heard the question, then each time I navigate to a radio button, JAWS is reading all three of the answer choices, but telling me which one I’m on by saying 1 of 3.  This not the behavior I’d want and I do not generally use Edge because of the way radio and checkbox labels are read, among other things.

 

In Internet Explorer, JAWS voices the question and the answer for the radio button I am on.  This can seem most useful to some, however, I have found this behavior very frustrating when doing a survey where the question is quite long.  For.  For example, I might be reading a test question where the scenario is presented then I have to select the answer, but navigating to each answer causes JAWS to re-read the entire scenario.  I think I ended up using the JAWS cursor or something in this case.

 

Google Chrome seems to present the best experience.  I heard the question once, then navigating with quick key A read only the answer.  I liked this best.

 

 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Raikes
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 11:59 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] expected jaws behavior

 

Hello JAWS users:

 

I need some help from the folks on this list as a representative group of “typical” JAWS users.

 

I have been tasked with creating a short class on how to test web pages for accessibility, and I have run into a situation where JAWS is not behaving the way I would have expected, so I want some feedback from other s on how you would expect jaws to behave.

 

I have a webpage with a group of radio buttons on it:

http://donraikes.github.io/htmlex/radiogroup

 

If I jump to the first heading on the page, then tab to the first radio button, depending on the browser sometimes jaws will read the radiogroup label then the radio button value, some times it doesn’t read the label.

The same is true if I go past the radio group and shift-tab back to the last button in the group.

 

Sometimes I can tab through the entire list of buttons in the group sometimes tabbing once takes me into the list then the next tab takes me out of the list altogether.

 

When I use the forms quick navigation sometimes jaws reads the label then the button value sometimes it doesn’t.

 

I would appreciate any opinions/feelings on what jaws should be doing also if anyone is experiencing anything different with this particular webpage.

 

For those techie types, the page contains a form with a fieldset inside of it. The fieldset has a legend and three input tags inside of it to form the radio group.

 

Thanks in advance,

Donald

 

--
Thanks, Donald

Accessibility, like security, is better when built-in from the beginning rather than bolted on at the end.


Oracle
Donald Raikes | Accessibility Specialist
Mobile: +15202717608 | VOIP: +15205744033
Oracle Accessibility Program Office
| Tucson, Arizona

Green Oracle

Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment

 



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