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Re: Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
 

Hello a demo jaws user. The Lady said the Captcher software for
NVDA/Jaws users too saulve a Captcha with NVDA/Jaws where can I get it
or orader It for free tell me more. Please saveing me Money&atrip to
the Computer

On 7/3/19, Mike B <mb69mach1@...> wrote:
Howdy Boss,

See my reply to Larry.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!
----- Original Message -----
From: David Ferrin
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To
Create A Toggle Keystroke


Easy enough to do, just got to figure out the benefit of doing it.

From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:31 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create

A Toggle Keystroke

Hi All,

Below are steps for creating a toggle keystroke for the, Accessibility
Driver For Screen Capture, and this feature is also explained.

This can only be changed in the Settings Center Default All Applications in,

the , Miscellaneous folder, #24 of 25. Not the Miscellaneous folder in,
Web
/ HTML / PDFs.

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software

that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS.
This
information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by

review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS
scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying
information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many
cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor

technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information
previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.



This feature has only been in Jaws since Jaws 2018, so if you're running a
Jaws version prior to J2018 don't bother looking for this feature in the
older versions.
To make a keystroke to toggle the, Use Accessibility Driver for Screen
Capture, setting on and off try the following:
1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the list of Jaws managers, navigate to
Keyboard Manager and press enter.
2. Press the letter, D, until Jaws reports, Default.
3. Tab 1 time into the list of default keystrokes and find the, Toggle
Screen Capture Method none, entry.
4. Press, Alt + A, to open the Action menu, you are on, Add Keystroke..., so

press enter. The hotkey to go directly to the, add Keystroke, option is,
Control + A,.
5. You are in a edit field so enter the keystroke you would like to assign
to toggle this feature on and off. Only type the keystroke, example: Alt,

Control + K. Hold down the Alt & Control keys and press the letter, K, and

don't type anything else but the keystroke you want to use.
6. Tab 1 time and there's a checkbox to assign this keystroke to desktop
keystrokes only, that's up to you, but it's checked by default. Tab to,
Okay and press the spacebar, you'll get a dialogue asking if you're sure
that you want to modify the,, Default.JKM, press the spacebar on, Yes, and
you're done. Now check the keystroke to make sure it works. You should
hear, Using Accessibility Driver On or, Using Accessibility Driver Off, when

invoking your keystroke.



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have

preferred.




--
for if you persaveer. you will konker never feer. try try try again


Re: Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Howdy Boss,
 
See my reply to Larry.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

Easy enough to do, just got to figure out the benefit of doing it.
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:31 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke
 
Hi All,
 
Below are steps for creating a toggle keystroke for the, Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, and this feature is also explained.
 
This can only be changed in the Settings Center Default All Applications in, the , Miscellaneous folder, #24 of 25.  Not the Miscellaneous folder in, Web
/ HTML / PDFs.

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This
information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS
scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information
previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

This feature has only been in Jaws since Jaws 2018, so if you're running a Jaws version prior to J2018 don't bother looking for this feature in the older versions.
To make a keystroke to toggle the, Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture, setting on and off try the following:
1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the list of Jaws managers, navigate to Keyboard Manager and press enter.
2. Press the letter, D, until Jaws reports, Default.
3. Tab 1 time into the list of default keystrokes and find the, Toggle Screen Capture Method none, entry.
4. Press, Alt + A, to open the Action menu, you are on, Add Keystroke..., so press enter.  The hotkey to go directly to the, add Keystroke, option is, Control + A,.
5. You are in a edit field so enter the keystroke you would like to assign to toggle this feature on and off.  Only type the keystroke, example:  Alt, Control + K.  Hold down the Alt & Control keys and press the letter, K, and don't type anything else but the keystroke you want to use.
6. Tab 1 time and there's a checkbox to assign this keystroke to desktop keystrokes only, that's up to you, but it's checked by default.  Tab to, Okay and press the spacebar, you'll get a dialogue asking if you're sure that you want to modify the,, Default.JKM, press the spacebar on, Yes, and you're done.  Now check the keystroke to make sure it works.  You should hear, Using Accessibility Driver On or, Using Accessibility Driver Off, when invoking your keystroke.
 
   

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have preferred.


Re: Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Larry,
 
I can't give you any examples because I'm not running any newer versions of programs that I can turn this feature on or off with to get better reading results.  I've tried this feature with my currently installed programs on my Windows 10 computer and either turned on or off didn't matter either way, but I posted the steps for those that might be able to benefit from having a toggle keystroke to turn this on / off on the fly.  Below is a thread that might give mor insight of this feature.
 
 Original Message
From:  l. radical
Hello dear listers. For a long time i use a program in order to trader in a exchange platform. The programm run under windows 7 who was the operating system
using the jaws 15 version. Before few days ago i upgrade to windows 10 32 bit using the jaws 2019 version. How ever when i load the same program in the
new operating system the jaws does not read any content in the screen using the jaws cursor. I am able to read only the top and the bottom of the window.
Any recomentation for a solution is wellcome and thanks for any assistance.
regards,
--Kostas--
 
From:
Sieghard Weitzel
As much as  you may not like this answer, there may not be a good solution for this.
The Jaws cursor under Windows 10 has not nearly as much access to information as it did under Windows 7 simply because of how Microsoft allows screenreaders
to get access to what is on the screen. I use a couple of applications at my store for accounting and my point of sale where I have similar issues.
Vispero is working on this and you could try and see what happens if you turn off the accessibility display driver which is what Jaws has been using for
a long time to get information. Do the following and then open your program and see if it helped:
 
1. Open Jaws Settings Center with Jaws Key + 6 on the number row
2. Make sure you have the default settings loaded by pressing Control + Shift + D
3. Type "acc" (the first 3 letters of accessibility) in the search box, then tab once and you should have the following two results:
Speak Access Keys Within Web Pages checked, ReadingUse Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture checked, Miscellaneous
not checked
4. Press the spacebar on the second option, Use Accessibility Display Driver" to clear the checkbox
5. Tab twice to OK and activate it.
6. Make sure you remember or keep these steps because you may find that some applications work better with the old accessibility display driver checked
and some may work better when it is unchecked.
And there is a bit of good news, Vispero is working on restoring more of the old Jaws cursor functionality with the new so-called GDI hooking method which
is basically what Jaws uses to get information when the accessibility display driver is unchecked.
Lastly, you may want to try the touch cursor with your program and see if you get anything with that, you can activate it by pressing Shift + PC Cursor
(Numpad +), press the PC cursor twice quickly to deactivate the touch cursor again. You can read more about it here:
Jaws Help > Help topics > Using Jaws > About cursors > Using the Touch cursor
 
Regards,
Sieghard

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Volk
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

Hi Mike;

I looked in jaws 2018 and I couldn’t find this toggle but I was able to find it in 2019.

 

It would be good if you can give an example of what turning this feature on/off would do.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: July 3, 2019 4:31 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

 

Hi All,

 

Below are steps for creating a toggle keystroke for the, Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, and this feature is also explained.

 

This can only be changed in the Settings Center Default All Applications in, the , Miscellaneous folder, #24 of 25.  Not the Miscellaneous folder in, Web
/ HTML / PDFs. 

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This
information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS
scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information
previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

 

This feature has only been in Jaws since Jaws 2018, so if you're running a Jaws version prior to J2018 don't bother looking for this feature in the older versions.
To make a keystroke to toggle the, Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture, setting on and off try the following:

1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the list of Jaws managers, navigate to Keyboard Manager and press enter.

2. Press the letter, D, until Jaws reports, Default.

3. Tab 1 time into the list of default keystrokes and find the, Toggle Screen Capture Method none, entry.

4. Press, Alt + A, to open the Action menu, you are on, Add Keystroke..., so press enter.  The hotkey to go directly to the, add Keystroke, option is, Control + A,.

5. You are in a edit field so enter the keystroke you would like to assign to toggle this feature on and off.  Only type the keystroke, example:  Alt, Control + K.  Hold down the Alt & Control keys and press the letter, K, and don't type anything else but the keystroke you want to use.

6. Tab 1 time and there's a checkbox to assign this keystroke to desktop keystrokes only, that's up to you, but it's checked by default.  Tab to, Okay and press the spacebar, you'll get a dialogue asking if you're sure that you want to modify the,, Default.JKM, press the spacebar on, Yes, and you're done.  Now check the keystroke to make sure it works.  You should hear, Using Accessibility Driver On or, Using Accessibility Driver Off, when invoking your keystroke.

 

   


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!


Re: Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Net bat,
 
I don't know what to tell you other than maybe calling tech support to see if they can figure out why this feature wasn't installed with your J2018 or J2019 on your Windows 10 computer.  I have it  in both J2018 and J2019 on both my Windows 7 & 10 computers.  I'm running Jaws Home versions and my operating systems on both computers is Pro.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

----- Original Message -----
From: netbat66
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

well, this option is not in my keyboard manager either, for windows 10 but it
is for windows 7.
i am not makeing any changes in windows 7.
are these options only for the pro version? i have the home version.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 3:31 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A
Toggle Keystroke


Hi All,

Below are steps for creating a toggle keystroke for the, Accessibility Driver
For Screen Capture, and this feature is also explained.

This can only be changed in the Settings Center Default All Applications in,
the , Miscellaneous folder, #24 of 25.  Not the Miscellaneous folder in, Web
/ HTML / PDFs.

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software
that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This
information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by
review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS
scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying
information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor
technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information
previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.


This feature has only been in Jaws since Jaws 2018, so if you're running a Jaws
version prior to J2018 don't bother looking for this feature in the older
versions.
To make a keystroke to toggle the, Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture,
setting on and off try the following:
1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the list of Jaws managers, navigate to Keyboard
Manager and press enter.
2. Press the letter, D, until Jaws reports, Default.
3. Tab 1 time into the list of default keystrokes and find the, Toggle Screen
Capture Method none, entry.
4. Press, Alt + A, to open the Action menu, you are on, Add Keystroke..., so
press enter.  The hotkey to go directly to the, add Keystroke, option is,
Control + A,.
5. You are in a edit field so enter the keystroke you would like to assign to
toggle this feature on and off.  Only type the keystroke, example:  Alt,
Control + K.  Hold down the Alt & Control keys and press the letter, K, and
don't type anything else but the keystroke you want to use.
6. Tab 1 time and there's a checkbox to assign this keystroke to desktop
keystrokes only, that's up to you, but it's checked by default.  Tab to, Okay
and press the spacebar, you'll get a dialogue asking if you're sure that you
want to modify the,, Default.JKM, press the spacebar on, Yes, and you're done.
Now check the keystroke to make sure it works.  You should hear, Using
Accessibility Driver On or, Using Accessibility Driver Off, when invoking your
keystroke.




Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

 




Re: Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

David Ferrin
 

Easy enough to do, just got to figure out the benefit of doing it.
 

From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:31 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke
 
Hi All,
 
Below are steps for creating a toggle keystroke for the, Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, and this feature is also explained.
 
This can only be changed in the Settings Center Default All Applications in, the , Miscellaneous folder, #24 of 25.  Not the Miscellaneous folder in, Web
/ HTML / PDFs.

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This
information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS
scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information
previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

This feature has only been in Jaws since Jaws 2018, so if you're running a Jaws version prior to J2018 don't bother looking for this feature in the older versions.
To make a keystroke to toggle the, Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture, setting on and off try the following:
1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the list of Jaws managers, navigate to Keyboard Manager and press enter.
2. Press the letter, D, until Jaws reports, Default.
3. Tab 1 time into the list of default keystrokes and find the, Toggle Screen Capture Method none, entry.
4. Press, Alt + A, to open the Action menu, you are on, Add Keystroke..., so press enter.  The hotkey to go directly to the, add Keystroke, option is, Control + A,.
5. You are in a edit field so enter the keystroke you would like to assign to toggle this feature on and off.  Only type the keystroke, example:  Alt, Control + K.  Hold down the Alt & Control keys and press the letter, K, and don't type anything else but the keystroke you want to use.
6. Tab 1 time and there's a checkbox to assign this keystroke to desktop keystrokes only, that's up to you, but it's checked by default.  Tab to, Okay and press the spacebar, you'll get a dialogue asking if you're sure that you want to modify the,, Default.JKM, press the spacebar on, Yes, and you're done.  Now check the keystroke to make sure it works.  You should hear, Using Accessibility Driver On or, Using Accessibility Driver Off, when invoking your keystroke.
 
   

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

David Ferrin
Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have preferred.


Re: Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

david
 

Hello;

in jaws 2018, you'll find this setting,

jaws settings center,

miscellaneous,

note, when you get into the jaws settings center, you'll need to ctrl+shift+dc =default,

 

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Volk
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

 

Hi Mike;

I looked in jaws 2018 and I couldn’t find this toggle but I was able to find it in 2019.

 

It would be good if you can give an example of what turning this feature on/off would do.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: July 3, 2019 4:31 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

 

Hi All,

 

Below are steps for creating a toggle keystroke for the, Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, and this feature is also explained.

 

This can only be changed in the Settings Center Default All Applications in, the , Miscellaneous folder, #24 of 25.  Not the Miscellaneous folder in, Web
/ HTML / PDFs. 

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This
information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS
scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information
previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

 

This feature has only been in Jaws since Jaws 2018, so if you're running a Jaws version prior to J2018 don't bother looking for this feature in the older versions.
To make a keystroke to toggle the, Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture, setting on and off try the following:

1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the list of Jaws managers, navigate to Keyboard Manager and press enter.

2. Press the letter, D, until Jaws reports, Default.

3. Tab 1 time into the list of default keystrokes and find the, Toggle Screen Capture Method none, entry.

4. Press, Alt + A, to open the Action menu, you are on, Add Keystroke..., so press enter.  The hotkey to go directly to the, add Keystroke, option is, Control + A,.

5. You are in a edit field so enter the keystroke you would like to assign to toggle this feature on and off.  Only type the keystroke, example:  Alt, Control + K.  Hold down the Alt & Control keys and press the letter, K, and don't type anything else but the keystroke you want to use.

6. Tab 1 time and there's a checkbox to assign this keystroke to desktop keystrokes only, that's up to you, but it's checked by default.  Tab to, Okay and press the spacebar, you'll get a dialogue asking if you're sure that you want to modify the,, Default.JKM, press the spacebar on, Yes, and you're done.  Now check the keystroke to make sure it works.  You should hear, Using Accessibility Driver On or, Using Accessibility Driver Off, when invoking your keystroke.

 

   


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!


Re: Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

Larry Volk
 

Hi Mike;

I looked in jaws 2018 and I couldn’t find this toggle but I was able to find it in 2019.

 

It would be good if you can give an example of what turning this feature on/off would do.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: July 3, 2019 4:31 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

 

Hi All,

 

Below are steps for creating a toggle keystroke for the, Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, and this feature is also explained.

 

This can only be changed in the Settings Center Default All Applications in, the , Miscellaneous folder, #24 of 25.  Not the Miscellaneous folder in, Web
/ HTML / PDFs. 

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This
information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS
scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information
previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

 

This feature has only been in Jaws since Jaws 2018, so if you're running a Jaws version prior to J2018 don't bother looking for this feature in the older versions.
To make a keystroke to toggle the, Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture, setting on and off try the following:

1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the list of Jaws managers, navigate to Keyboard Manager and press enter.

2. Press the letter, D, until Jaws reports, Default.

3. Tab 1 time into the list of default keystrokes and find the, Toggle Screen Capture Method none, entry.

4. Press, Alt + A, to open the Action menu, you are on, Add Keystroke..., so press enter.  The hotkey to go directly to the, add Keystroke, option is, Control + A,.

5. You are in a edit field so enter the keystroke you would like to assign to toggle this feature on and off.  Only type the keystroke, example:  Alt, Control + K.  Hold down the Alt & Control keys and press the letter, K, and don't type anything else but the keystroke you want to use.

6. Tab 1 time and there's a checkbox to assign this keystroke to desktop keystrokes only, that's up to you, but it's checked by default.  Tab to, Okay and press the spacebar, you'll get a dialogue asking if you're sure that you want to modify the,, Default.JKM, press the spacebar on, Yes, and you're done.  Now check the keystroke to make sure it works.  You should hear, Using Accessibility Driver On or, Using Accessibility Driver Off, when invoking your keystroke.

 

   


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!


Re: Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

netbat66
 

well, this option is not in my keyboard manager either, for windows 10 but it is for windows 7.
i am not makeing any changes in windows 7.
are these options only for the pro version? i have the home version.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 3:31 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [jaws-users] Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke


Hi All,

Below are steps for creating a toggle keystroke for the, Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, and this feature is also explained.

This can only be changed in the Settings Center Default All Applications in, the , Miscellaneous folder, #24 of 25. Not the Miscellaneous folder in, Web
/ HTML / PDFs.

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This
information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS
scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information
previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.


This feature has only been in Jaws since Jaws 2018, so if you're running a Jaws version prior to J2018 don't bother looking for this feature in the older versions.
To make a keystroke to toggle the, Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture, setting on and off try the following:
1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the list of Jaws managers, navigate to Keyboard Manager and press enter.
2. Press the letter, D, until Jaws reports, Default.
3. Tab 1 time into the list of default keystrokes and find the, Toggle Screen Capture Method none, entry.
4. Press, Alt + A, to open the Action menu, you are on, Add Keystroke..., so press enter. The hotkey to go directly to the, add Keystroke, option is, Control + A,.
5. You are in a edit field so enter the keystroke you would like to assign to toggle this feature on and off. Only type the keystroke, example: Alt, Control + K. Hold down the Alt & Control keys and press the letter, K, and don't type anything else but the keystroke you want to use.
6. Tab 1 time and there's a checkbox to assign this keystroke to desktop keystrokes only, that's up to you, but it's checked by default. Tab to, Okay and press the spacebar, you'll get a dialogue asking if you're sure that you want to modify the,, Default.JKM, press the spacebar on, Yes, and you're done. Now check the keystroke to make sure it works. You should hear, Using Accessibility Driver On or, Using Accessibility Driver Off, when invoking your keystroke.




Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!


Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, How To Create A Toggle Keystroke

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi All,
 
Below are steps for creating a toggle keystroke for the, Accessibility Driver For Screen Capture, and this feature is also explained.
 
This can only be changed in the Settings Center Default All Applications in, the , Miscellaneous folder, #24 of 25.  Not the Miscellaneous folder in, Web
/ HTML / PDFs. 

The accessibility driver is a system level driver installed by our software that has been used for many years to provide screen information to JAWS. This
information is known as the Off Screen Model (OSM) and is used primarily by review cursors like the JAWS Cursor and Invisible Cursor as well as by JAWS
scripts. As Windows 10 increasingly uses different methods of displaying information, this legacy accessibility driver no longer works in many cases.
Clearing this check box configures JAWS to use new API Accessibility Monitor technology we developed in order to help overcome the missing information
previously obtained from the Accessibility Driver.
This check box is selected by default.

This feature has only been in Jaws since Jaws 2018, so if you're running a Jaws version prior to J2018 don't bother looking for this feature in the older versions.
To make a keystroke to toggle the, Use Accessibility Driver for Screen Capture, setting on and off try the following:
1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the list of Jaws managers, navigate to Keyboard Manager and press enter.
2. Press the letter, D, until Jaws reports, Default.
3. Tab 1 time into the list of default keystrokes and find the, Toggle Screen Capture Method none, entry.
4. Press, Alt + A, to open the Action menu, you are on, Add Keystroke..., so press enter.  The hotkey to go directly to the, add Keystroke, option is, Control + A,.
5. You are in a edit field so enter the keystroke you would like to assign to toggle this feature on and off.  Only type the keystroke, example:  Alt, Control + K.  Hold down the Alt & Control keys and press the letter, K, and don't type anything else but the keystroke you want to use.
6. Tab 1 time and there's a checkbox to assign this keystroke to desktop keystrokes only, that's up to you, but it's checked by default.  Tab to, Okay and press the spacebar, you'll get a dialogue asking if you're sure that you want to modify the,, Default.JKM, press the spacebar on, Yes, and you're done.  Now check the keystroke to make sure it works.  You should hear, Using Accessibility Driver On or, Using Accessibility Driver Off, when invoking your keystroke.
 
   

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!


Re: Brave Browser

Holger Fiallo
 

Saw an article about google chrome privacy in my Iphone google news.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Brave Browser

 

Considering that Brave uses Chrome under the hood, i would suspect that it wouldn't be any safer than Chrome.  I have not heard or read anything about security liabilities with Chrome.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 10:15 AM

Subject: [jaws-users] Brave Browser

 

I heard about Brave in the FS podcast and I just got it. It does work well with jaws 2019. I like it and since I heard that google is not getting safe regarding security, I will use it and I sometimes google freezes and affects jaws. So I will play with Brave. It is similar to google.


Re: Brave Browser

Holger Fiallo
 

Not that I can tell. I am able to use it without no issues. I use youtube, audible and applevis web pages no issues. I did a search in amazon and no problems. I know about brave because one of the podcast person from jaws stated he has it and works with jaws.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Brave Browser

 

I admit that it's been a while since I tried using Brave and I probably should give it another chance. When I last used it with another screen reader the text of the Web site was readable but the menus were also being rendered in the virtual buffer above the text of the site, making the reading experience a bit of a mess. Is this still occurring?

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 7/3/2019 1:32 PM, Fred Adams wrote:

I just installed the brave browser and so far I like it pretty well.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Holger Fiallo
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Brave Browser
 
I heard about Brave in the FS podcast and I just got it. It does work well
with jaws 2019. I like it and since I heard that google is not getting safe
regarding security, I will use it and I sometimes google freezes and affects
jaws. So I will play with Brave. It is similar to google.
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: podcast 172

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Here's the URL for the webpage.  You can make a shortcut to your desktop once you're on the website.  To create a desktop shortcut using IE11 try the following:
1. While on the webpage below press, Alt + F, for the file menu.
2. Navigate to the, submenu Send, and press enter or right arrow.
3. Down arrow to, shortcut to desktop, and press enter.  You're done.
 

 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] podcast 172

thanks for the Podcast!

On 7/3/19, Mike B <mb69mach1@...> wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> Here's a direct download link for the FSCast #172.
>
> http://traffic.libsyn.com/fscast/FSCast172-OpenLineJune2019.mp3
>
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
> If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
> To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [jaws-users] podcast 172
>
>
> I can lisin to the podcast what is the u r l
>
> On 7/3/19, Holger Fiallo <holgfiallo@...> wrote:
>> The FS podcast is out and you can listen to it now. Yes. It is all about
>> jaws. A question that someone had about not been able to use H to move
>> from
>> heading to heading and having to turn off jaws and restart. I notice this
>> with google. Sometimes in google the H does not work and I have to use
>> insert f4 to close jaws and jaws to restart.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> for if you persaveer. you will konker never feer. try try try again
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
for if you persaveer. you will konker never feer. try try try again



Re: excel row's and column reading title issue

Jim Pursley
 

Since JAWS 2018, I've found the ins/Alt/control R or c to be only temporary.  It won't hold for me at least when I exit or when I save the spreadsheet.  But it is handy for quick column and row title naming.  More permanent is the way Microsoft set it up in Excel, using that applications key to scroll up (faster than down) to define name.  Click on define name and write titleregion1..(end of the spreadsheet) then either hit enter or tab out to the end and hit OK.  Using this method is permanent once you save the file.  It will hold even if you need to temporarily exite the spreadsheet without closing.  You can also use the ribbon menus under the formula tab to define a name, but the application key is a lot faster.


Additionally, the process works great if you  want to have JAWS read columns and titles of multiple regions (titleregion2..  etc.


Alas, my simple R and C method has givenway to more typing, but at least I don't fret any longer when opening a spreadsheet.


Note: The method I mentioned above should work in Excel 2013, too, though I've not tried it.

On 7/3/2019 9:30 AM, Justin Williams wrote:
Try insert control alt r on your row title and insert control alt c for your column title.



-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Faraz
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 4:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] excel row's and column reading title issue

hello list, i am facing issue of reading row's and column title in excel
2013 with jaws 2019. i even apply the required setting in jaws verbosity but it is still not reading column titles for row's. i believe it is because of new jaws 2019 as i have been using the same excel file . if any of you facing the same issue please do let me know the fix.

thanks in advance.

--
With best regards,
Faraz q.







Re: Brave Browser

Andy
 

Brave reminds me of Chrome when I first started running it, in terms of its speed, but I can say that about most browsers that I have used in the beginning.  Eventually they do start to slow down, and I would suspect that this would happen with Brave as well in time.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Brave Browser

You're getting brave and trying it ay?
 

Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 12:15 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Brave Browser

I heard about Brave in the FS podcast and I just got it. It does work well with jaws 2019. I like it and since I heard that google is not getting safe regarding security, I will use it and I sometimes google freezes and affects jaws. So I will play with Brave. It is similar to google.


Re: Brave Browser

Andy
 

Considering that Brave uses Chrome under the hood, i would suspect that it wouldn't be any safer than Chrome.  I have not heard or read anything about security liabilities with Chrome.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 10:15 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] Brave Browser

I heard about Brave in the FS podcast and I just got it. It does work well with jaws 2019. I like it and since I heard that google is not getting safe regarding security, I will use it and I sometimes google freezes and affects jaws. So I will play with Brave. It is similar to google.


Re: mail app

David Moore
 

Hi!

Here is a tutorial that I did on using the Mail app in Windows 10.

This will clear up a lot of questions.

Narrator and NVDA are by far best for using the Mail app.

When I use JAWS, it either closes the Mail app, or it does read the wrong message as you arrow through your list of messages.

Here is a drop box link for the tutorial.

It is a text tutorial where I take you through the Mail app with JAWS.

JAWS worked pretty good when I did this tutorial, but now, Narrator and NVDA work much better!

Here is the link to the tutorial:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/262glvmr5m7kmkn/Updated%20Tutorial%20for%20the%20Win10%20Mail%2C%20People%2C%20and%20Calendar%20apps.txt?dl=1

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 3:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] mail app

 

Regarding the free Mail app which is part of Windows 10 I'm wondering if it's just me or if the app's behavior when navigating messages is somewhat inconsistent. It's very difficult for me to articulate what I'm seeing and I suppose that I should write down some notes on its behavior but I'm finding that, overall, navigating messages doesn't reliably move to the message that you might be expecting, particularly when pressing the Home or End keys to move to the top and bottom of the list. Just wondering about the observations of others.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 7/3/2019 9:11 AM, david wrote:

Have you checked out:

 

http://jaws-users.com/text/email/Mail/index.html

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 6:35 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] mail app

 

I have a mail app on my laptop, jaws 17.0, win 10, and need to know the jaws keystrokes to use it

 


Re: mail app

David Goldfield
 

Regarding the free Mail app which is part of Windows 10 I'm wondering if it's just me or if the app's behavior when navigating messages is somewhat inconsistent. It's very difficult for me to articulate what I'm seeing and I suppose that I should write down some notes on its behavior but I'm finding that, overall, navigating messages doesn't reliably move to the message that you might be expecting, particularly when pressing the Home or End keys to move to the top and bottom of the list. Just wondering about the observations of others.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 7/3/2019 9:11 AM, david wrote:

Have you checked out:

 

http://jaws-users.com/text/email/Mail/index.html

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 6:35 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] mail app

 

I have a mail app on my laptop, jaws 17.0, win 10, and need to know the jaws keystrokes to use it


Re: File Grouping

Cher
 

Yes, I have done this more than once- but has then reverted. Just tried to set all folders the same while in the downloads folder- will see what happens…

 

Cher

 

.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 3:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File Grouping

 

OK,

Give the following a try;

 

 

The, Group By, in the View menu needs to be changed.  Try the following:

 

1. Open your Downloads folder, or, your documents folder, and press, Control + spacebar, to make sure nothing is selected.

2. Press the applications key or Shift + F10 to open the context menu.

3. In the View submenu press enter on, List, or whatever you want from this submenu.

if you've already have list checked then, leave this as it is.

 

4. Open the context menu again, open the, Sort By submenu, and press enter on, Name, or whatever your choice might be.

again, if you have name checked leave it as it is.

 

5. Open the context menu again, down arrow to the, Group By submenu, and press enter on, None.

here's where most likely the issue is, you can't find none in the list, so, while in the list, press enter on name, go back into group-by menu, arrow down you should find none press enter your done.

That's it, you should be good to go.

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File Grouping

 

I’m still having the same problem. I can’t locate an option to set all folders to the same view like we used in earlier versions. In File Explorer I hear progress percentages and then my sort by choice is shown- but windows seems to be reconfiguring it when I open Explorer. But if I open my user name, downloads- the display reverts to the order by date thing after a while- which is making us all nuts 😉

 

Cher

 

.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File Grouping

 

Hi Mike,

 

Thanks for this, it helped, byt only temporarily.  When I go to aply to all folders, it reverts back to the grouped items and changes the sort order to date accessed.

 

Any idea what’s going on?

 

Victor

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File Grouping

 

Hi Victor,

 

This is because you need to change the, Group By, setting to, None, in the view menu.  While in a folder, let's use the Downloads folder as an example.  Press, Control + spacebar, so Jaws reports, not selected.  Open the context menu with the Applications key or Shift + F10.  Press enter on the, View submenu, choose what you want, list , details or... and press enter.  Open the context menu and open the, Sort By submenu, and press enter on your choice.  Now open the context menu and open the, Group By submenu, find, None, and press enter.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

----- Original Message -----

From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 10:49 AM

Subject: [jaws-users] File Grouping

 

Hi Folks,

 

I just updated to Windows 10 version 1903, and my files seem to be grouped by date, or at least, the last time I accessed them.

 

The go by today, last week, last month and so on.

 

Can I shut this off, and if so, how?

 

I’ve looked through the view menu and it seems like everything is set like before the update, but I still can’t get it to look right.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

Victor


Re: Brave Browser

David Goldfield
 

I admit that it's been a while since I tried using Brave and I probably should give it another chance. When I last used it with another screen reader the text of the Web site was readable but the menus were also being rendered in the virtual buffer above the text of the site, making the reading experience a bit of a mess. Is this still occurring?

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 7/3/2019 1:32 PM, Fred Adams wrote:
I just installed the brave browser and so far I like it pretty well.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Holger Fiallo
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] Brave Browser

I heard about Brave in the FS podcast and I just got it. It does work well
with jaws 2019. I like it and since I heard that google is not getting safe
regarding security, I will use it and I sometimes google freezes and affects
jaws. So I will play with Brave. It is similar to google.







Re: File Grouping

david
 

OK,

Give the following a try;

 

 

The, Group By, in the View menu needs to be changed.  Try the following:

 

1. Open your Downloads folder, or, your documents folder, and press, Control + spacebar, to make sure nothing is selected.

2. Press the applications key or Shift + F10 to open the context menu.

3. In the View submenu press enter on, List, or whatever you want from this submenu.

if you've already have list checked then, leave this as it is.

 

4. Open the context menu again, open the, Sort By submenu, and press enter on, Name, or whatever your choice might be.

again, if you have name checked leave it as it is.

 

5. Open the context menu again, down arrow to the, Group By submenu, and press enter on, None.

here's where most likely the issue is, you can't find none in the list, so, while in the list, press enter on name, go back into group-by menu, arrow down you should find none press enter your done.

That's it, you should be good to go.

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File Grouping

 

I’m still having the same problem. I can’t locate an option to set all folders to the same view like we used in earlier versions. In File Explorer I hear progress percentages and then my sort by choice is shown- but windows seems to be reconfiguring it when I open Explorer. But if I open my user name, downloads- the display reverts to the order by date thing after a while- which is making us all nuts 😉

 

Cher

 

.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File Grouping

 

Hi Mike,

 

Thanks for this, it helped, byt only temporarily.  When I go to aply to all folders, it reverts back to the grouped items and changes the sort order to date accessed.

 

Any idea what’s going on?

 

Victor

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File Grouping

 

Hi Victor,

 

This is because you need to change the, Group By, setting to, None, in the view menu.  While in a folder, let's use the Downloads folder as an example.  Press, Control + spacebar, so Jaws reports, not selected.  Open the context menu with the Applications key or Shift + F10.  Press enter on the, View submenu, choose what you want, list , details or... and press enter.  Open the context menu and open the, Sort By submenu, and press enter on your choice.  Now open the context menu and open the, Group By submenu, find, None, and press enter.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!
If at first you DO succeed, try not to look astonished!

----- Original Message -----

From: Victor Gouveia

Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 10:49 AM

Subject: [jaws-users] File Grouping

 

Hi Folks,

 

I just updated to Windows 10 version 1903, and my files seem to be grouped by date, or at least, the last time I accessed them.

 

The go by today, last week, last month and so on.

 

Can I shut this off, and if so, how?

 

I’ve looked through the view menu and it seems like everything is set like before the update, but I still can’t get it to look right.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

Victor