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Re: File counting with JAWS

Rebecca Lineberger
 

Yes, you can check the status line as you suggest to get the total number of files in a folder.  But sometimes you might want to know that a file was 150 of 300, for example, if you were trying to divide files and had only limited space left, as on a nearly full thumb drive.  Of course you could also select files and do a size check of them all under properties, but the count is just a quick way to “guesstimate” what could go where.

Also, not a criticism, but those of us who used Window-Eyes had this information at our fingertips as we arrowed down through the file or folder list. 

File name, 4 of 69, file name 47 of 69, etc. We did not have to read the current line to get it.  If you didn’t want or need the count, you just arrowed through the list quickly, pressed the first letter of the file name you wanted, or just did a search.  So it was never a verbosity issue.  Narrator gives the count both in terms of the position in what’s on the screen and the position in the total number of files in the folder.   

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Why not just check the status line like I suggested?

Your file count should be there, reported accurately by windows, not JAWS, which – ok, I don’t know how it gets the information re. list views, but again I would suggest that it might have trouble seeing more than what’s already being displayed at times. I’d only be theorising though. However it is a fact that jAWS does not always accurately report the number of items. We should just do what sighted people do though, in this case.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: May 15, 2019 2:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Adrian:

 

Thanks for confirming this Jaws flaw regarding accurate file counting.

 

I have noticed it especially with Windows 10 and Jaws 2019.

 

I’ll try the Narrator option.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Chris,

 

You make complete sense. It’s a recognized flaw in JAWS. In some areas, it can count files accurately (think of email messages) but not in others. Rebecca, a contributor to this list, has pointed out that you can get the counts you need by bringing up Narrator. Remember, you open and close Narrator with control-Windows key-enter.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 6:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Hello All,

 

I am sorry, to ask for help with file counting with JAWS, as I have asked before, and cannot find the response I got before.

 

This is a recurring problem, but not all the time. I have a number of files either in a folder, or on a different drive. But the count will only go up to 33 even if there is over 100. What are the steps to get a full count?

 

I hope this makes some sort of sense to someone.

 

Regards

 

Chris

Re: outlook 16 question

david
 

Hello;

well, if you enter on a message, and you perform a shift+tab, you should find the subjectline.

note, you want to make sure that the screen is maximized.

you can use the keystroke, windows-key+up-arrow key, this will maximize the screen.

also, while inside a message, if you press alt-key+#5, you should hear the subjectline  

if you use the alt key with #1 through #6, you should get some information back. way easier than tabbing or shift+tabbing.

 

hope this helps.

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

I had expected to hear subject etc.  I am aware of the hot keys to get this information I thought maybe I had a view changed or something that I didn’t remember.  Thanks for the help.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

Hello;

well, first of all, you need to establish, why your shift+tabbing in a message, what information are you looking for.

as you've found out, things have changed in the office outlook.

you will not be able to remove, or rid of any of the verbiage your hearing.

so, you'll need to find another way to seek the information your tabbing for.

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

Hi, When shift tabbing through a message I receive  I bet info bar and other Crap   I don’t remember this from before how do I get rid of it?

Re: File counting with JAWS

JM Casey
 

Yes, I see what you are saying, Rebecca.

In the case of your thumb drive example though, I would probably work more by file size than their numbered order.

I don’t personally see this specific information (IE, one’s position in a numbered list of files) as being terribly valuable, but did Window Eyes always give accurate information about this, regardless of oS and other factors?

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger
Sent: May 15, 2019 2:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Yes, you can check the status line as you suggest to get the total number of files in a folder.  But sometimes you might want to know that a file was 150 of 300, for example, if you were trying to divide files and had only limited space left, as on a nearly full thumb drive.  Of course you could also select files and do a size check of them all under properties, but the count is just a quick way to “guesstimate” what could go where.

Also, not a criticism, but those of us who used Window-Eyes had this information at our fingertips as we arrowed down through the file or folder list. 

File name, 4 of 69, file name 47 of 69, etc. We did not have to read the current line to get it.  If you didn’t want or need the count, you just arrowed through the list quickly, pressed the first letter of the file name you wanted, or just did a search.  So it was never a verbosity issue.  Narrator gives the count both in terms of the position in what’s on the screen and the position in the total number of files in the folder.   

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Why not just check the status line like I suggested?

Your file count should be there, reported accurately by windows, not JAWS, which – ok, I don’t know how it gets the information re. list views, but again I would suggest that it might have trouble seeing more than what’s already being displayed at times. I’d only be theorising though. However it is a fact that jAWS does not always accurately report the number of items. We should just do what sighted people do though, in this case.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: May 15, 2019 2:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Adrian:

 

Thanks for confirming this Jaws flaw regarding accurate file counting.

 

I have noticed it especially with Windows 10 and Jaws 2019.

 

I’ll try the Narrator option.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Chris,

 

You make complete sense. It’s a recognized flaw in JAWS. In some areas, it can count files accurately (think of email messages) but not in others. Rebecca, a contributor to this list, has pointed out that you can get the counts you need by bringing up Narrator. Remember, you open and close Narrator with control-Windows key-enter.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 6:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Hello All,

 

I am sorry, to ask for help with file counting with JAWS, as I have asked before, and cannot find the response I got before.

 

This is a recurring problem, but not all the time. I have a number of files either in a folder, or on a different drive. But the count will only go up to 33 even if there is over 100. What are the steps to get a full count?

 

I hope this makes some sort of sense to someone.

 

Regards

 

Chris

Re: outlook 16 question

Dennis L
 

When inside your message  I shift tabbed.  I got a message expand header button.  This is why I thought it might be a view setting.  I also have a problem where Outlook doesn’t always play a message tone when I receive a new message.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

Hello;

well, if you enter on a message, and you perform a shift+tab, you should find the subjectline.

note, you want to make sure that the screen is maximized.

you can use the keystroke, windows-key+up-arrow key, this will maximize the screen.

also, while inside a message, if you press alt-key+#5, you should hear the subjectline  

if you use the alt key with #1 through #6, you should get some information back. way easier than tabbing or shift+tabbing.

 

hope this helps.

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

I had expected to hear subject etc.  I am aware of the hot keys to get this information I thought maybe I had a view changed or something that I didn’t remember.  Thanks for the help.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

Hello;

well, first of all, you need to establish, why your shift+tabbing in a message, what information are you looking for.

as you've found out, things have changed in the office outlook.

you will not be able to remove, or rid of any of the verbiage your hearing.

so, you'll need to find another way to seek the information your tabbing for.

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

Hi, When shift tabbing through a message I receive  I bet info bar and other Crap   I don’t remember this from before how do I get rid of it?

Re: File counting with JAWS

Victor Gouveia
 

The insert+page down command should work every time in file explorer.
 
It should state the number of items in the window, and how many items are selected.
 
The only time the read status bar does not work is in Windows Live Mail, where it only reads a line in the message currently viewed in the preview pane, but for file explorer, the insert+page down command works flawlessly.
 
Is it possible you do not have the status bar turned on?
 
Victor
 

From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS
 

Correct. Sometimes it doesn’t bring up this detail.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Sorry for sounding like a broken record, but I honestly can’t understand why you guys don’t just press insert-pgdn. Does it not work for you as it does on my machine?

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: May 15, 2019 2:42 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Dave:

 

I can’t seem to get this process to work, though, when in a sub-folder view within one of my major folders.

 

Just to be sure, do I invoke the Alt V followed by L and the enter sequence once the sub-folder has been opened?

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Hi, the only way I've found to get an accurate file count is,

 

1, navigate to documents press enter,

you will hear not selected and then an untrue number,

2, press, alt+v=view,

3, l=list,

now press enter or the spacebar.

it, will stay true as long as the window stays open.

for some unknown reason the list feature doesn't stay checked.

 

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Chris,

 

You make complete sense. It’s a recognized flaw in JAWS. In some areas, it can count files accurately (think of email messages) but not in others. Rebecca, a contributor to this list, has pointed out that you can get the counts you need by bringing up Narrator. Remember, you open and close Narrator with control-Windows key-enter.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 6:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Hello All,

 

I am sorry, to ask for help with file counting with JAWS, as I have asked before, and cannot find the response I got before.

 

This is a recurring problem, but not all the time. I have a number of files either in a folder, or on a different drive. But the count will only go up to 33 even if there is over 100. What are the steps to get a full count?

 

I hope this makes some sort of sense to someone.

 

Regards

 

Chris

activating a "clickable" link

Karen Schrade
 

Help! I've been through the jaws helf files, googled, and tried everything I
can think of to activate things on a website labeled "clickable".

I've got jaws 18, chrome and/or IE11, and Win 7. I go to the netflix website
and search a show I want. No problem. They've improved. I want season 3, not
season 1. It says "seasons clickable".

I have tried enter, shift enter, control enter, insert+ each of those,
insert control / and the mouse click on the keypad both with the virtual
cursor and the jaws cursor. I'm obviously missing something because none of
those commands does anything to the clickable. It just sits there and looks
back at me. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Karen

Re: File counting with JAWS

Evan Reese
 

Not Rebecca, but I can say that Window Eyes does give accurate file count info. I know because whenever I add or delete a file, or multiple files, from a folder, the count Window Eyes gives always changes accurately to reflect the additions or deletions.
I have never had to hit additional keys to get this info, it is given automatically all the time.
Evan
 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS
 

Yes, I see what you are saying, Rebecca.

In the case of your thumb drive example though, I would probably work more by file size than their numbered order.

I don’t personally see this specific information (IE, one’s position in a numbered list of files) as being terribly valuable, but did Window Eyes always give accurate information about this, regardless of oS and other factors?

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger
Sent: May 15, 2019 2:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Yes, you can check the status line as you suggest to get the total number of files in a folder.  But sometimes you might want to know that a file was 150 of 300, for example, if you were trying to divide files and had only limited space left, as on a nearly full thumb drive.  Of course you could also select files and do a size check of them all under properties, but the count is just a quick way to “guesstimate” what could go where.

Also, not a criticism, but those of us who used Window-Eyes had this information at our fingertips as we arrowed down through the file or folder list. 

File name, 4 of 69, file name 47 of 69, etc. We did not have to read the current line to get it.  If you didn’t want or need the count, you just arrowed through the list quickly, pressed the first letter of the file name you wanted, or just did a search.  So it was never a verbosity issue.  Narrator gives the count both in terms of the position in what’s on the screen and the position in the total number of files in the folder.  

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Why not just check the status line like I suggested?

Your file count should be there, reported accurately by windows, not JAWS, which – ok, I don’t know how it gets the information re. list views, but again I would suggest that it might have trouble seeing more than what’s already being displayed at times. I’d only be theorising though. However it is a fact that jAWS does not always accurately report the number of items. We should just do what sighted people do though, in this case.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: May 15, 2019 2:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Adrian:

 

Thanks for confirming this Jaws flaw regarding accurate file counting.

 

I have noticed it especially with Windows 10 and Jaws 2019.

 

I’ll try the Narrator option.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Chris,

 

You make complete sense. It’s a recognized flaw in JAWS. In some areas, it can count files accurately (think of email messages) but not in others. Rebecca, a contributor to this list, has pointed out that you can get the counts you need by bringing up Narrator. Remember, you open and close Narrator with control-Windows key-enter.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 6:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Hello All,

 

I am sorry, to ask for help with file counting with JAWS, as I have asked before, and cannot find the response I got before.

 

This is a recurring problem, but not all the time. I have a number of files either in a folder, or on a different drive. But the count will only go up to 33 even if there is over 100. What are the steps to get a full count?

 

I hope this makes some sort of sense to someone.

 

Regards

 

Chris

Re: activating a "clickable" link

netbat66
 

the problem is most of these so called clickables are not clickable at all.
i disabled this behavior for jaws. but i don't remember where i found this option.

-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Schrade
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:08 PM
To: Jaws Users List
Subject: [jaws-users] activating a "clickable" link

Help! I've been through the jaws helf files, googled, and tried everything I
can think of to activate things on a website labeled "clickable".

I've got jaws 18, chrome and/or IE11, and Win 7. I go to the netflix website
and search a show I want. No problem. They've improved. I want season 3, not
season 1. It says "seasons clickable".

I have tried enter, shift enter, control enter, insert+ each of those,
insert control / and the mouse click on the keypad both with the virtual
cursor and the jaws cursor. I'm obviously missing something because none of
those commands does anything to the clickable. It just sits there and looks
back at me. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Karen

Re: activating a "clickable" link

Dennis L
 

Try Jaws 2019. If your in the US upgrade via the home annual license.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Karen Schrade
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:08 PM
To: Jaws Users List <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] activating a "clickable" link

Help! I've been through the jaws helf files, googled, and tried everything I
can think of to activate things on a website labeled "clickable".

I've got jaws 18, chrome and/or IE11, and Win 7. I go to the netflix website
and search a show I want. No problem. They've improved. I want season 3, not
season 1. It says "seasons clickable".

I have tried enter, shift enter, control enter, insert+ each of those,
insert control / and the mouse click on the keypad both with the virtual
cursor and the jaws cursor. I'm obviously missing something because none of
those commands does anything to the clickable. It just sits there and looks
back at me. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Karen

Re: activating a "clickable" link

netbat66
 

i don't know where this is but this is a setting in jaws that can be turned off.
i had to turn this off last year because none of the so called clickables were clickable at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating a "clickable" link

Try Jaws 2019. If your in the US upgrade via the home annual license.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Karen Schrade
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:08 PM
To: Jaws Users List <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] activating a "clickable" link

Help! I've been through the jaws helf files, googled, and tried everything I
can think of to activate things on a website labeled "clickable".

I've got jaws 18, chrome and/or IE11, and Win 7. I go to the netflix website
and search a show I want. No problem. They've improved. I want season 3, not
season 1. It says "seasons clickable".

I have tried enter, shift enter, control enter, insert+ each of those,
insert control / and the mouse click on the keypad both with the virtual
cursor and the jaws cursor. I'm obviously missing something because none of
those commands does anything to the clickable. It just sits there and looks
back at me. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Karen

Re: audio ducking,

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi John,
 
I don't have a Windows 10 system at this house but you can try the following to turn it on in the Settings Center to see if that'll fix it.
Try the following:
1. Open the Settings Center with the keystroke, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row, and press, Control, Shift + D, to open the Settings Center default all applications.
2. Down arrow to, User, and right arrow to open.
3. Down arrow to, Lower audio volume of programs when Jaws speaks, and press the spacebar to uncheck this box.
4. Tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close.
This feature can also be tobbled on & off by using a Layered Keystroke.  Press, Insert / Jaws Key + Spacebar, lut up and press the letter, D, to toggle Audio Ducking on / off.

Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 9:07 AM
Subject: [jaws-users] audio ducking,

List, I am running latest windows 10, IE 11  and Jaws 2019.

I have two almost identical Toshiba lap tops running intel Core 5 processor and 8 megs of ram.

My newer computer, has stopped “ducking” other audio, despite pressing the insert key plus spacebar and the letter D as in duck. And hearing jaws say duck other audio. The other laptop is doing duck other audio just fine.

Is there some other setting I am missing? 

John

Re: File counting with JAWS

Adrian Spratt
 

I use insert-3 all the time. Moreover, I don’t really have the problem any longer. I’m merely acknowledging that the problem is real and that there are solutions, my preferred one being Narrator.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Gouveia
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

The insert+page down command should work every time in file explorer.

 

It should state the number of items in the window, and how many items are selected.

 

The only time the read status bar does not work is in Windows Live Mail, where it only reads a line in the message currently viewed in the preview pane, but for file explorer, the insert+page down command works flawlessly.

 

Is it possible you do not have the status bar turned on?

 

Victor

 

From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:45 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Correct. Sometimes it doesn’t bring up this detail.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Sorry for sounding like a broken record, but I honestly can’t understand why you guys don’t just press insert-pgdn. Does it not work for you as it does on my machine?

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: May 15, 2019 2:42 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Dave:

 

I can’t seem to get this process to work, though, when in a sub-folder view within one of my major folders.

 

Just to be sure, do I invoke the Alt V followed by L and the enter sequence once the sub-folder has been opened?

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Hi, the only way I've found to get an accurate file count is,

 

1, navigate to documents press enter,

you will hear not selected and then an untrue number,

2, press, alt+v=view,

3, l=list,

now press enter or the spacebar.

it, will stay true as long as the window stays open.

for some unknown reason the list feature doesn't stay checked.

 

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Chris,

 

You make complete sense. It’s a recognized flaw in JAWS. In some areas, it can count files accurately (think of email messages) but not in others. Rebecca, a contributor to this list, has pointed out that you can get the counts you need by bringing up Narrator. Remember, you open and close Narrator with control-Windows key-enter.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 6:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Hello All,

 

I am sorry, to ask for help with file counting with JAWS, as I have asked before, and cannot find the response I got before.

 

This is a recurring problem, but not all the time. I have a number of files either in a folder, or on a different drive. But the count will only go up to 33 even if there is over 100. What are the steps to get a full count?

 

I hope this makes some sort of sense to someone.

 

Regards

 

Chris

Re: File counting with JAWS

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Rebecca,
 
Try the following to see if it'll help with item count:
1. Open the Settings Center default all applications.
2. Navigate to Speech Verboscity closed and right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down to, Configure Verboscity Levels, closed and right arrow to open.
4. Press the spacebar on your Verboscity level to open and make sure, Announce Position and Count when navigating in lists, is checked, Item number, is checked and Position information is checked.
5. Tab to, Okay, press the spacebar and tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.

Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

Yes, you can check the status line as you suggest to get the total number of files in a folder.  But sometimes you might want to know that a file was 150 of 300, for example, if you were trying to divide files and had only limited space left, as on a nearly full thumb drive.  Of course you could also select files and do a size check of them all under properties, but the count is just a quick way to “guesstimate” what could go where.

Also, not a criticism, but those of us who used Window-Eyes had this information at our fingertips as we arrowed down through the file or folder list. 

File name, 4 of 69, file name 47 of 69, etc. We did not have to read the current line to get it.  If you didn’t want or need the count, you just arrowed through the list quickly, pressed the first letter of the file name you wanted, or just did a search.  So it was never a verbosity issue.  Narrator gives the count both in terms of the position in what’s on the screen and the position in the total number of files in the folder.   

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Why not just check the status line like I suggested?

Your file count should be there, reported accurately by windows, not JAWS, which – ok, I don’t know how it gets the information re. list views, but again I would suggest that it might have trouble seeing more than what’s already being displayed at times. I’d only be theorising though. However it is a fact that jAWS does not always accurately report the number of items. We should just do what sighted people do though, in this case.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: May 15, 2019 2:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Adrian:

 

Thanks for confirming this Jaws flaw regarding accurate file counting.

 

I have noticed it especially with Windows 10 and Jaws 2019.

 

I’ll try the Narrator option.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Chris,

 

You make complete sense. It’s a recognized flaw in JAWS. In some areas, it can count files accurately (think of email messages) but not in others. Rebecca, a contributor to this list, has pointed out that you can get the counts you need by bringing up Narrator. Remember, you open and close Narrator with control-Windows key-enter.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 6:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Hello All,

 

I am sorry, to ask for help with file counting with JAWS, as I have asked before, and cannot find the response I got before.

 

This is a recurring problem, but not all the time. I have a number of files either in a folder, or on a different drive. But the count will only go up to 33 even if there is over 100. What are the steps to get a full count?

 

I hope this makes some sort of sense to someone.

 

Regards

 

Chris

Re: activating a "clickable" link

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Net bat,
 
Try looking in the following:

 

From: Carlos via BlindTech

In

"Settings Center"

under the

"Web / HTML / PDFs"

category, there is a subcategory labeled

"Miscellaneous"

Under

"Miscellaneous"

there is a setting labeled

"Indicate Element Attribute"

Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying

"Clickable"

Although I would not recommend this since there are times when you will miss

out on elements of webpages that may be useful and are clickable.

Carlos                                      


Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: netbat66
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating a "clickable" link

i don't know where this is but this is a setting in jaws that can be turned
off.
i had to turn this off last year because none of the so called clickables were
clickable at all.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating a "clickable" link

Try Jaws 2019.  If your in the US upgrade via the home annual license.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Karen Schrade
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:08 PM
To: Jaws Users List <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] activating a "clickable" link

Help! I've been through the jaws helf files, googled, and tried everything I
can think of to activate things on a website labeled "clickable".

I've got jaws 18, chrome and/or IE11, and Win 7. I go to the netflix website
and search a show I want. No problem. They've improved. I want season 3, not
season 1. It says "seasons clickable".

I have tried enter, shift enter, control enter, insert+ each of those,
insert control / and the mouse click on the keypad both with the virtual
cursor and the jaws cursor. I'm obviously missing something because none of
those commands does anything to the clickable. It just sits there and looks
back at me. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Karen









Re: activating a "clickable" link

netbat66
 

i had to disable this with win eyes too.
what good is clickables when every web page i go to would have hundreds of so called clickables that don't do anything?
this renders every web page useless.
but thanks for telling me where to go if clickables gets turned back on.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 1:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating a "clickable" link


Hi Net bat,

Try looking in the following:



From: Carlos via BlindTech

In

"Settings Center"

under the

"Web / HTML / PDFs"

category, there is a subcategory labeled

"Miscellaneous"

Under

"Miscellaneous"

there is a setting labeled

"Indicate Element Attribute"

Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying

"Clickable"

Although I would not recommend this since there are times when you will miss

out on elements of webpages that may be useful and are clickable.

Carlos


Take care. Mike. Sennt from my iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: netbat66
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating a "clickable" link

i don't know where this is but this is a setting in jaws that can be turned
off.
i had to turn this off last year because none of the so called clickables were
clickable at all.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] activating a "clickable" link

Try Jaws 2019. If your in the US upgrade via the home annual license.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Karen Schrade
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:08 PM
To: Jaws Users List <jaws-users-list@groups.io>
Subject: [jaws-users] activating a "clickable" link

Help! I've been through the jaws helf files, googled, and tried everything I
can think of to activate things on a website labeled "clickable".

I've got jaws 18, chrome and/or IE11, and Win 7. I go to the netflix website
and search a show I want. No problem. They've improved. I want season 3, not
season 1. It says "seasons clickable".

I have tried enter, shift enter, control enter, insert+ each of those,
insert control / and the mouse click on the keypad both with the virtual
cursor and the jaws cursor. I'm obviously missing something because none of
those commands does anything to the clickable. It just sits there and looks
back at me. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Karen

Re: File counting with JAWS

Glenn / Lenny
 

I usually just do a say-line with Jaws and find out which number of so many.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

Yes, you can check the status line as you suggest to get the total number of files in a folder.  But sometimes you might want to know that a file was 150 of 300, for example, if you were trying to divide files and had only limited space left, as on a nearly full thumb drive.  Of course you could also select files and do a size check of them all under properties, but the count is just a quick way to “guesstimate” what could go where.

Also, not a criticism, but those of us who used Window-Eyes had this information at our fingertips as we arrowed down through the file or folder list. 

File name, 4 of 69, file name 47 of 69, etc. We did not have to read the current line to get it.  If you didn’t want or need the count, you just arrowed through the list quickly, pressed the first letter of the file name you wanted, or just did a search.  So it was never a verbosity issue.  Narrator gives the count both in terms of the position in what’s on the screen and the position in the total number of files in the folder.   

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Why not just check the status line like I suggested?

Your file count should be there, reported accurately by windows, not JAWS, which – ok, I don’t know how it gets the information re. list views, but again I would suggest that it might have trouble seeing more than what’s already being displayed at times. I’d only be theorising though. However it is a fact that jAWS does not always accurately report the number of items. We should just do what sighted people do though, in this case.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: May 15, 2019 2:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Adrian:

 

Thanks for confirming this Jaws flaw regarding accurate file counting.

 

I have noticed it especially with Windows 10 and Jaws 2019.

 

I’ll try the Narrator option.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Chris,

 

You make complete sense. It’s a recognized flaw in JAWS. In some areas, it can count files accurately (think of email messages) but not in others. Rebecca, a contributor to this list, has pointed out that you can get the counts you need by bringing up Narrator. Remember, you open and close Narrator with control-Windows key-enter.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 6:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Hello All,

 

I am sorry, to ask for help with file counting with JAWS, as I have asked before, and cannot find the response I got before.

 

This is a recurring problem, but not all the time. I have a number of files either in a folder, or on a different drive. But the count will only go up to 33 even if there is over 100. What are the steps to get a full count?

 

I hope this makes some sort of sense to someone.

 

Regards

 

Chris

Re: File counting with JAWS

Rebecca Lineberger
 

Mike, they are all checked.  I just checked the settings again to be sure.   As has been said, this is a known bug in JAWS.

But you’re right, this should be enough to fix the problem. Something else is going on for Narrator’s brief presence to fix it.

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 4:08 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Hi Rebecca,

 

Try the following to see if it'll help with item count:

1. Open the Settings Center default all applications.

2. Navigate to Speech Verboscity closed and right arrow to open.

3. Arrow down to, Configure Verboscity Levels, closed and right arrow to open.

4. Press the spacebar on your Verboscity level to open and make sure, Announce Position and Count when navigating in lists, is checked, Item number, is checked and Position information is checked.

5. Tab to, Okay, press the spacebar and tab to, Okay, press enter to save and close.


Take care.  Mike.  Sennt from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:59 AM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Yes, you can check the status line as you suggest to get the total number of files in a folder.  But sometimes you might want to know that a file was 150 of 300, for example, if you were trying to divide files and had only limited space left, as on a nearly full thumb drive.  Of course you could also select files and do a size check of them all under properties, but the count is just a quick way to “guesstimate” what could go where.

Also, not a criticism, but those of us who used Window-Eyes had this information at our fingertips as we arrowed down through the file or folder list. 

File name, 4 of 69, file name 47 of 69, etc. We did not have to read the current line to get it.  If you didn’t want or need the count, you just arrowed through the list quickly, pressed the first letter of the file name you wanted, or just did a search.  So it was never a verbosity issue.  Narrator gives the count both in terms of the position in what’s on the screen and the position in the total number of files in the folder.   

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Why not just check the status line like I suggested?

Your file count should be there, reported accurately by windows, not JAWS, which – ok, I don’t know how it gets the information re. list views, but again I would suggest that it might have trouble seeing more than what’s already being displayed at times. I’d only be theorising though. However it is a fact that jAWS does not always accurately report the number of items. We should just do what sighted people do though, in this case.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: May 15, 2019 2:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Adrian:

 

Thanks for confirming this Jaws flaw regarding accurate file counting.

 

I have noticed it especially with Windows 10 and Jaws 2019.

 

I’ll try the Narrator option.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Chris,

 

You make complete sense. It’s a recognized flaw in JAWS. In some areas, it can count files accurately (think of email messages) but not in others. Rebecca, a contributor to this list, has pointed out that you can get the counts you need by bringing up Narrator. Remember, you open and close Narrator with control-Windows key-enter.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 6:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] File counting with JAWS

 

Hello All,

 

I am sorry, to ask for help with file counting with JAWS, as I have asked before, and cannot find the response I got before.

 

This is a recurring problem, but not all the time. I have a number of files either in a folder, or on a different drive. But the count will only go up to 33 even if there is over 100. What are the steps to get a full count?

 

I hope this makes some sort of sense to someone.

 

Regards

 

Chris

Re: outlook 16 question

david
 

Hello;

when you shift+tab once you will hear;

expand header button

if you shift+tab again you will hear;

subject

as I indicated, alt+#5 will give you the subject.

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

When inside your message  I shift tabbed.  I got a message expand header button.  This is why I thought it might be a view setting.  I also have a problem where Outlook doesn’t always play a message tone when I receive a new message.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:04 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

Hello;

well, if you enter on a message, and you perform a shift+tab, you should find the subjectline.

note, you want to make sure that the screen is maximized.

you can use the keystroke, windows-key+up-arrow key, this will maximize the screen.

also, while inside a message, if you press alt-key+#5, you should hear the subjectline  

if you use the alt key with #1 through #6, you should get some information back. way easier than tabbing or shift+tabbing.

 

hope this helps.

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

I had expected to hear subject etc.  I am aware of the hot keys to get this information I thought maybe I had a view changed or something that I didn’t remember.  Thanks for the help.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of david
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

Hello;

well, first of all, you need to establish, why your shift+tabbing in a message, what information are you looking for.

as you've found out, things have changed in the office outlook.

you will not be able to remove, or rid of any of the verbiage your hearing.

so, you'll need to find another way to seek the information your tabbing for.

 

 

       The impossible is the untried,  Never under estimate the power of a dream.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:53 AM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: [jaws-users] outlook 16 question

 

Hi, When shift tabbing through a message I receive  I bet info bar and other Crap   I don’t remember this from before how do I get rid of it?

The List

Pastor Gil Pries
 

I had to subscribe again.

Got kicked off somehow.

 

Pastor Gil

Outlook 2016 Question

Pastor Gil Pries
 

Someone asked a question about Outlook 2016.

It was where is the setting to regulate the amount of minutes between send and receive.

The answer is that it is in options under the advanced tab.

Push the send and receive button.

 

Pastor Gil