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Re: test please ignore

Dave...
 

LeDon,
 
You passed.
 
Dave
Oregonite, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: LeDon
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 06:59
Subject: [jaws-users] test please ignore

Test.

 

LeDon,

Inside every old man is a young man saying, what the hell happened?

 

Re: Chrome problem with moving Bookmarks

Van Lant, Robin
 

Good to know.  I do not have very many folders yet in Chrome, so I did not see that limitation. 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Chrome problem with moving Bookmarks

 

Robin the only problem with the first method it doesn’t show all folders.  The second method needs work that is what you need to use if you have a lot of folders. 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 5:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Chrome problem with moving Bookmarks

 

I may not be on the latest version of Chrome, but I am running the latest release of JAWS and here are two ways indicate the folder. 

 

When you first press Control  D, you land in the field to label the bookmark as you want it. If you tab once, you land on a bookmarks folder button.  Hit space on this button and then you can arrow up and down a list of the folders.  This is reading just fine for me with JAWS and it seems to list all folders.  You must hit the space bar on the button first.  If you down arrow, you end up wit the  same interface as I note next.  

 

If you tab twice from the initial bookmark name field, you land on the More button.  Hit enter or space on  it and it opens a new dialog, which starts with the field to name your bookmark, the second field is the URL and then you land in a tree view of the folders.  You are right that it’s not voicing as you arrow, but I am finding that JAWS key up arrow reads the current folder name.  It’s a tree view, so pressing the right arrow on a folder you know has subfolders will open it and then use the JAWS key up arrow to read the current folder. 

 

I do not see a reason to use the More button unless you want to add a new folder or tweak the URL.   Just name your bookmark, tab once and hit space, then arrow do the folder you want and hit enter. Easy peazy, as my kids say.

 

Using Google Chrome Version 73.0.3683.103

 

Robin

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 2:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Chrome problem with moving Bookmarks

 

Here are exact steps to reproduce the issue.

1 have  folders created in your book marks.

 

2 find a page to book mark  for testing purposes I’m using this.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/browns/2019/01/09/cleveland-browns-head-coach-freddie-kitchens/2525150002/

3 open the article and press control “D” without the quotes.

4 tab to more button try to arrow up and down through your folders or press letter Navigation this doesn’t work.  I also tried going to   Bookmark folder button menu pressed space and  went to choose another folder and got the same result.  Jaws 2019 latest build. 

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 3:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Chrome problem with moving Bookmarks

 

I had that problem too, I could not find the bookmark.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:50 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Chrome problem with moving Bookmarks

 

You can’t tell it where to save a book mark with Jaws.  You go to choose another folder after doing control d this dialog doesn’t read or let you select another folder.  If this is a Jaws or chrome issue I don’t know.  Its someone’s issue and needs fixed.

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Vicki W
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2019 2:53 PM
To: JAWS
Subject: [jaws-users] Chrome problem with moving Bookmarks

 

I imported my Favorites from IE to Chrome. Everything imported fine. My favorites folder contains multiple folders with my bookmarks.

 

I saved a new bookmark on Chrome and it went into a folder in my imported IE Favorites folder which I did not want it to go into. I want to get it out of there and place it in the correct location.

 

How can I move it out of the current folder and into the correct one?

 

I am using the updated version of Chrome and JAWS 2019.

 

Thanks.

 

Vicki

 



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Issue with recent Jaws 2019 update and Outlook 2016 spellcheck

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

So to the point, After updating Jaws 2019 with the recent April release, I’m noticing that when I try using the spellcheck function of listing all misspellings/typos with the shift+alt+L command, Outlook straight up just crashes.

This is with a retail license Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.11601.20144.

F7 is fine and so are other features like text analyzer, but for whatever reason, when I do this particular shift+alt+L command, Bye bye Outlook.

I’ve tried copying text to the clipboard before invoking this keyboard command and it seems that after the crash the text isn’t saved to paste later. This crashing behavior isn’t something that happens every single time, but enough that I’ve noticed it.

Anyone else dealing with this?

Thanks,

Cristobal

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

sandy
 

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?
 

From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
 
After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.
1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.
2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.
3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.
This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Sandy,
 
No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
 
After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.
1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.
2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.
3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.
This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Craig Cooper, could you please reach out

Michael Babcock
 

Craig or someone who knows him, please forward this message!


Well doing some research, a message you sent back in July is related to some research I'm doing now, and I'd like to chat with you about your experiences.


Call me if you have a few, 541-435-5568.


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Re: Craig Cooper, could you please reach out, Moderator's Note

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Michael,
 
This type of message is most definitely not allowed on this list!  Please refer to the list guide lines.  If you need his info try searching for it via the message archives.

Jaws-Users-List.groups.io
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----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 2:56 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Craig Cooper, could you please reach out

Craig or someone who knows him, please forward this message!


Well doing some research, a message you sent back in July is related to
some research I'm doing now, and I'd like to chat with you about your
experiences.


Call me if you have a few, 541-435-5568.


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Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

sandy
 

I must not be using the jaws screen reader correctly then. I thought the pc cursor was used for every day use, and the jaws cursor was what we used to expand the page. I’m so confused
 

From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Sandy,
 
No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
 
After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.
1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.
2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.
3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.
This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Sandy,
 
It's most definitely a learning curve to know when to use the Jaws cursor verses the PC cursor.  What would make it easier is by physically showing you an example.  Personally I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using just the Jaws cursor by itself.  Most importantly is to be in a window that you can arrow around in to see what Jaws reads to you using just the PC cursor, then routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor and arrowing around to compare how much more is read to you with the Jaws to PC cursor function employed.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

I must not be using the jaws screen reader correctly then. I thought the pc cursor was used for every day use, and the jaws cursor was what we used to expand the page. I’m so confused
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Sandy,
 
No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
 
After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.
1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.
2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.
3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.
This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

sandy
 

so, you’re telling me that you primarily use the jaws cursor, not the pc cursor?
 

From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Sandy,
 
It's most definitely a learning curve to know when to use the Jaws cursor verses the PC cursor.  What would make it easier is by physically showing you an example.  Personally I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using just the Jaws cursor by itself.  Most importantly is to be in a window that you can arrow around in to see what Jaws reads to you using just the PC cursor, then routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor and arrowing around to compare how much more is read to you with the Jaws to PC cursor function employed.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
I must not be using the jaws screen reader correctly then. I thought the pc cursor was used for every day use, and the jaws cursor was what we used to expand the page. I’m so confused
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Sandy,
 
No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
 
After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.
1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.
2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.
3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.
This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


No, I use the PC cursor most of the time but, when it's necessary I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using the Jaws cursor by itself.  Here's something you can try as an experiment.  Go to somewhere on your computer where you have a folder and highlight / select a folder, but don't open it.  Now with the folder highlighted press, Alt Enter, to open the properties of the folder.  With the properties open arrow up and down using the PC cursor to see how much Jaws will read to you, it won't be very much.  Now press, Insert + Jaws cursor, to route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor.  Now up / down arrow to see how much more Jaws will read to you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

so, you’re telling me that you primarily use the jaws cursor, not the pc cursor?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Sandy,
 
It's most definitely a learning curve to know when to use the Jaws cursor verses the PC cursor.  What would make it easier is by physically showing you an example.  Personally I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using just the Jaws cursor by itself.  Most importantly is to be in a window that you can arrow around in to see what Jaws reads to you using just the PC cursor, then routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor and arrowing around to compare how much more is read to you with the Jaws to PC cursor function employed.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
I must not be using the jaws screen reader correctly then. I thought the pc cursor was used for every day use, and the jaws cursor was what we used to expand the page. I’m so confused
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Sandy,
 
No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
 
After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.
1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.
2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.
3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.
This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

Glenn / Lenny
 


Hi Sandy,
As a rule, we never use the Jaws cursor.
The PC cursor is active wherever your keyboard is working at the time.
Think of the Jaws cursor as an emergency cursor, to reach information that the PC cursor isn't reaching.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

so, you’re telling me that you primarily use the jaws cursor, not the pc cursor?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Sandy,
 
It's most definitely a learning curve to know when to use the Jaws cursor verses the PC cursor.  What would make it easier is by physically showing you an example.  Personally I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using just the Jaws cursor by itself.  Most importantly is to be in a window that you can arrow around in to see what Jaws reads to you using just the PC cursor, then routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor and arrowing around to compare how much more is read to you with the Jaws to PC cursor function employed.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
I must not be using the jaws screen reader correctly then. I thought the pc cursor was used for every day use, and the jaws cursor was what we used to expand the page. I’m so confused
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Sandy,
 
No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
 
After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.
1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.
2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.
3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.
This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

JM Casey
 

It is quite simple, but maybe the right way to describe it hasn’t’ been found yet.

Your PC cursor will only go wherever you can type, more or less.

The JAWS cursor can potentially go anywhere in a window.

The properties box for a drive or file or folder contains a lot of information, but you can’t manipulate or change most of it, at least not in this fashion. The filesize, for instance, is not an editable field that you can adjust, so your PC cursor will normally skip right over it (although, not to complicate things further, but there are “read only” fields that appear kind of like edit fields, too).

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of sandy
Sent: May 7, 2019 7:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

so, you’re telling me that you primarily use the jaws cursor, not the pc cursor?

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

 

It's most definitely a learning curve to know when to use the Jaws cursor verses the PC cursor.  What would make it easier is by physically showing you an example.  Personally I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using just the Jaws cursor by itself.  Most importantly is to be in a window that you can arrow around in to see what Jaws reads to you using just the PC cursor, then routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor and arrowing around to compare how much more is read to you with the Jaws to PC cursor function employed.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

I must not be using the jaws screen reader correctly then. I thought the pc cursor was used for every day use, and the jaws cursor was what we used to expand the page. I’m so confused

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

 

No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

 

After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.

1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.

2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.

3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.

This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

JM Casey
 

You might not need to route at all. I usually don’t. It’s occasionally necessary for me, though, and apparently for Mike, it is most of the time – not sure why the difference.  If you activate the jaws cursor and it doesn’t seem to be where you think it should be (in this case, focused on the just-opened file properties box), press insert-numpad minus.

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: May 7, 2019 5:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

 

No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

 

After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.

1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.

2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.

3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.

This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

JM Casey
 

I know we’re trying not to overcomplicate things, but I use it a lot more than that, so I don’t consider it an emergency cursor, just the cursor that can go where the mouse can go, and easily reads output that’s not automatically spoken by JAWS in certain programmes (command line, IRC, etc).

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 7, 2019 8:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

As a rule, we never use the Jaws cursor.

The PC cursor is active wherever your keyboard is working at the time.

Think of the Jaws cursor as an emergency cursor, to reach information that the PC cursor isn't reaching.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

so, you’re telling me that you primarily use the jaws cursor, not the pc cursor?

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

 

It's most definitely a learning curve to know when to use the Jaws cursor verses the PC cursor.  What would make it easier is by physically showing you an example.  Personally I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using just the Jaws cursor by itself.  Most importantly is to be in a window that you can arrow around in to see what Jaws reads to you using just the PC cursor, then routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor and arrowing around to compare how much more is read to you with the Jaws to PC cursor function employed.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

I must not be using the jaws screen reader correctly then. I thought the pc cursor was used for every day use, and the jaws cursor was what we used to expand the page. I’m so confused

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

 

No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

 

After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.

1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.

2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.

3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.

This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

Glenn / Lenny
 


I never use it unless I think my PC cursor is not giving me the information I should be able to access.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

I know we’re trying not to overcomplicate things, but I use it a lot more than that, so I don’t consider it an emergency cursor, just the cursor that can go where the mouse can go, and easily reads output that’s not automatically spoken by JAWS in certain programmes (command line, IRC, etc).

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 7, 2019 8:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

As a rule, we never use the Jaws cursor.

The PC cursor is active wherever your keyboard is working at the time.

Think of the Jaws cursor as an emergency cursor, to reach information that the PC cursor isn't reaching.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

so, you’re telling me that you primarily use the jaws cursor, not the pc cursor?

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

 

It's most definitely a learning curve to know when to use the Jaws cursor verses the PC cursor.  What would make it easier is by physically showing you an example.  Personally I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using just the Jaws cursor by itself.  Most importantly is to be in a window that you can arrow around in to see what Jaws reads to you using just the PC cursor, then routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor and arrowing around to compare how much more is read to you with the Jaws to PC cursor function employed.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

I must not be using the jaws screen reader correctly then. I thought the pc cursor was used for every day use, and the jaws cursor was what we used to expand the page. I’m so confused

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

 

No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

 

After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.

1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.

2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.

3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.

This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

JM Casey
 

That’s what I’m talking about – quite a lot of places the PC cursor won’t go, and with good reason. But it depends on what programmes you tend to use, I suppose.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 7, 2019 8:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

I never use it unless I think my PC cursor is not giving me the information I should be able to access.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 7:32 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

I know we’re trying not to overcomplicate things, but I use it a lot more than that, so I don’t consider it an emergency cursor, just the cursor that can go where the mouse can go, and easily reads output that’s not automatically spoken by JAWS in certain programmes (command line, IRC, etc).

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 7, 2019 8:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

As a rule, we never use the Jaws cursor.

The PC cursor is active wherever your keyboard is working at the time.

Think of the Jaws cursor as an emergency cursor, to reach information that the PC cursor isn't reaching.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

so, you’re telling me that you primarily use the jaws cursor, not the pc cursor?

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

 

It's most definitely a learning curve to know when to use the Jaws cursor verses the PC cursor.  What would make it easier is by physically showing you an example.  Personally I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using just the Jaws cursor by itself.  Most importantly is to be in a window that you can arrow around in to see what Jaws reads to you using just the PC cursor, then routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor and arrowing around to compare how much more is read to you with the Jaws to PC cursor function employed.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

I must not be using the jaws screen reader correctly then. I thought the pc cursor was used for every day use, and the jaws cursor was what we used to expand the page. I’m so confused

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

 

No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

 

After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.

1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.

2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.

3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.

This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Settings screen comes up when starting my pc

Mr. Ed
 

Hi Andrew,

I turned off settings under background app. So we will see what happens. Thanks for the info.

Mr. Ed

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io [mailto:jaws-users-list@groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew James Bontrager
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 7:22 AM
To: Jaws Users
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Settings screen comes up when starting my pc

 

I used to have the Settings and Calculator and Microsoft Store programs pop up several times a day. It was super annoying. Here's what I did to stop it.

Go to Settings.

Under Privacy, choose Background apps.

Turn them off.

Restart.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

sandy
 

I see now why it’s so confusing, it’s your terminology. thanks for trying to explain. I see my mind is just too simple for you experienced jaws users
 

From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
No, I use the PC cursor most of the time but, when it's necessary I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using the Jaws cursor by itself.  Here's something you can try as an experiment.  Go to somewhere on your computer where you have a folder and highlight / select a folder, but don't open it.  Now with the folder highlighted press, Alt Enter, to open the properties of the folder.  With the properties open arrow up and down using the PC cursor to see how much Jaws will read to you, it won't be very much.  Now press, Insert + Jaws cursor, to route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor.  Now up / down arrow to see how much more Jaws will read to you.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

so, you’re telling me that you primarily use the jaws cursor, not the pc cursor?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Sandy,
 
It's most definitely a learning curve to know when to use the Jaws cursor verses the PC cursor.  What would make it easier is by physically showing you an example.  Personally I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using just the Jaws cursor by itself.  Most importantly is to be in a window that you can arrow around in to see what Jaws reads to you using just the PC cursor, then routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor and arrowing around to compare how much more is read to you with the Jaws to PC cursor function employed.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
I must not be using the jaws screen reader correctly then. I thought the pc cursor was used for every day use, and the jaws cursor was what we used to expand the page. I’m so confused
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Sandy,
 
No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: sandy
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?
 
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
 
After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.
1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.
2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.
3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
Hi Loy,
The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.
This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.
Glenn
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM
Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 
How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.

Re: Reading the properties dialog of a drive

sandy
 

thanks to all you folks for the replys, but I must be the only person on this jaws list that heard that mike routed the jaws cursor to the pc cursor in a much earlier reply, and if that statement is true, that means to me that he was in the jaws cursor first, and then went to the pc cursor, right. that’s how I took what he said
 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive
 

That’s what I’m talking about – quite a lot of places the PC cursor won’t go, and with good reason. But it depends on what programmes you tend to use, I suppose.

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 7, 2019 8:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

I never use it unless I think my PC cursor is not giving me the information I should be able to access.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 7:32 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

I know we’re trying not to overcomplicate things, but I use it a lot more than that, so I don’t consider it an emergency cursor, just the cursor that can go where the mouse can go, and easily reads output that’s not automatically spoken by JAWS in certain programmes (command line, IRC, etc).

 

 

 

From: jaws-users-list@groups.io <jaws-users-list@groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 7, 2019 8:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@groups.io
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

As a rule, we never use the Jaws cursor.

The PC cursor is active wherever your keyboard is working at the time.

Think of the Jaws cursor as an emergency cursor, to reach information that the PC cursor isn't reaching.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:14 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

so, you’re telling me that you primarily use the jaws cursor, not the pc cursor?

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 6:05 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

 

It's most definitely a learning curve to know when to use the Jaws cursor verses the PC cursor.  What would make it easier is by physically showing you an example.  Personally I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor much more often than using just the Jaws cursor by itself.  Most importantly is to be in a window that you can arrow around in to see what Jaws reads to you using just the PC cursor, then routing the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor and arrowing around to compare how much more is read to you with the Jaws to PC cursor function employed.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

I must not be using the jaws screen reader correctly then. I thought the pc cursor was used for every day use, and the jaws cursor was what we used to expand the page. I’m so confused

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Sandy,

 

No, step 1 is correct.  Using your suggestion won't read the properties.  You route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor to expand the page and to get to the text that the PC cursor won't get to on its own or get to by routing the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: sandy

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2019 12:55 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

your 1st step is confusing. shouldn’t it be to route the pc cursor to the jaws cursor?

 

From: Mike B

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:17 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

 

After highlighting / selecting the drive and pressing, Alt + Enter, to bring up the properties.

1. Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor with the keystroke, Insert + Jaws cursor key / Numpad minus.

2. Press the, Pageup key / Numpad 9.

3. Now arrow down 1 line at a time to find your used and free space plus more.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

This brings up the properties dialog but I can only read the tabs and not the information in the dialog, what am I missing? new to JAWS and I am sure there is a way to do this. Long time Window Eyes user.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2019 10:46 PM

Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

Hi Loy,

The way you read the properties of anything on your computer is to press alt + enter.

This includes icons, folders, files, and drives in this PC.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 9:39 PM

Subject: [jaws-users] Reading the properties dialog of a drive

 

How can I read the properties dialog of a drive on my computer? I need to know the amount of free space on the drive.