Re: Invisible Cursor: What it Is
all the replies tell me no need to investagate this cursor
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Invisible Cursor: What it Is
Interesting. I just tried it and found it extremely limited in what it would read to me. For example, in an open email, it was just reading the To and From lines. Wonder if it’s a cursor that really isn’t focused on for development.
<firstname.lastname@example.org> On Behalf Of Dave...
Looked up on the FS web site and here is what it says about the Invisible Cursor:
6.4 Invisible Cursor
The Invisible cursor was created for the sole purpose of
accessing information on the screen. You have probably not used the Invisible
cursor during your
You use the same navigation keystrokes as you do when other
cursors are active. You can activate the Invisible cursor from your keyboard by
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Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 08:14
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Touch Cursor Information
A good question. I've never been able to see it, so have not investigated it. What does the JAWS help system tell you about the invisible cursor?
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Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 08:01
Subject: Re: [jaws-users] Touch Cursor Information
I find that there is a jaws curser, a PC curser and a touch curser but when I press the jaws key and the P key twice quickly, I see an invisible curser. So what is this?
I think we just have to play with all three cursors sometimes to see what will work. I’ve been on web pages where nothing will activate a “clickable” and where nothing can see the “play” button the website says is there on the top left of the screen.
And the print button on the Southwest Airlines webpage certainly did not work either.
When I scan a file or folder with Eset, the JAWS cursor will read the results, as will insert b.
I played with the touch cursor just now. When I press control-home with the touch coursor activated, JAWS says Eset Antivirus Window. But I could not read the contents of the window.
email@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of
Thank you for this Becca.
The only question I have then is if the touch cursor will see things the Jaws cursor won’t.
For example, when you get a dialog box where Jaws just lands on the button and so you have to perform an insert+B command to read the entire dialog box, so, to avoid doing this, I’ll try the Jaws cursor to simply move up a line or two instead of having to listen to a whole bunch of text. In this instance, the Jaws cursor will simply say blank, no matter where you go. Will the touch cursor read this types of things instead of the Jaws cursor.
I would think this a very useful cursor to use in place of the Jaws cursor, but again, Jaws has to be able to see this stuff, and if it’s only as good as the Jaws cursor, then it isn’t much use, save for apps such as the ones listed.
From: Rebecca Lineberger
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:15 AM
To: JAWS Users List
Subject: [jaws-users] Touch Cursor Information
I’ve had this stored for a while, and can’t remember now if this came from the Help Menu or from the Vispero website. It mentions Windows 8, but I think the information is still relevant for Windows 10.
Object Navigation Using the Touch Cursor
Certain applications, especially many of the modern-style apps found in Windows 8, do not always work as expected with JAWS when navigating with the standard cursors such as the PC and Virtual PC cursors. Activating the new Touch Cursor enables you to use the
keys on your computer's keyboard, or the controls on your braille display, to navigate through the actual objects in an application similar to using gestures on the touch screen of a tablet. Application objects include everything from menu bars, toolbars, and progress bars, to form controls, regions, links, etc. Press
SHIFT+NUM PAD PLUS
if using the laptop keyboard layout, to activate the Touch Cursor. To turn it off, activate one of the other cursors, like the JAWS or PC Cursor. Pressing the PC Cursor command (
NUM PAD PLUS
) will cause JAWS to say "Touch Cursor" and the Touch Cursor will remain active. If Tutor Messages are enabled, JAWS will also speak the message "Double tap to activate PC cursor". Press the PC Cursor command twice quickly to turn off the Touch Cursor and activate the PC Cursor.
The Touch Cursor is enabled by default in certain Windows 8 applications to improve navigation. These apps include News, Weather, and Store. Whenever you move focus to one of these apps, the Touch Cursor is automatically activated. To automatically enable the Touch Cursor in another application, press
to open Quick Settings while focused in the application where you want to use the Touch Cursor, expand the Touch Cursor Options group, and then select Automatic Activation. You must do this for every application where you want to have JAWS automatically turn on the Touch Cursor.
Once the Touch Cursor is active, pressing
will move to the next or previous object on the screen. This is the same as doing a left or right flick on a touch screen. Pressing
will move to the previous or next object by type. By default, these commands will move by region, or group if you are on the Windows 8 Start screen. This is the same as doing an up or down flick on a touch screen. To change what object type these commands move by, press
to cycle through the available types. For example, if you want the
keys to move by headings, press
until you hear "headings". Now, pressing
will move to the next or previous heading.
to move to the first object and press
to move to the last object. To announce the current object, press
. To perform a Say All, which will cause the Touch Cursor to move through the application and speak each object, press
As you navigate using the
keys, the system focus does not follow the Touch Cursor. This allows you to freely navigate objects without changing the position of the PC Cursor or mouse pointer. Pressing
on the current element will move focus to that element and perform the appropriate action similar to double tapping on a touch screen. For instance, opening a menu, selecting a check box, or activating a button or link. In addition, a rectangle will be displayed around the currently selected object to visually indicate the location of the Touch cursor for sighted users.
If the Touch Cursor is on an object containing text, such as the body of a news article, you can press
NUM PAD SLASH
to enable Text Review. In this mode, you can use the
keys as well as all other standard reading commands to read the text as if you were reading a regular document. Pressing the
key will exit Text Review and return to Touch Cursor navigation.
A good example of using the Touch Cursor is in the News app, where it is enabled by default. Once the app launches, you could press
to move to the /Top Stories region and then press
to move to a particular story. When you find the article you want to read, you can press
NUM PAD SLASH
to switch to Text Review so you can use the
keys or the braille display to read the article. Once you are finished, press
to close Text Review and then use
to select another article from the current region, or
to move to a different region.
Touch Cursor Navigation Quick Keys
While the Touch Cursor is active, you can use Navigation Quick Keys to quickly jump to various types of objects, such as regions, headings, links, form controls, and so on. These commands are similar to the Navigation Quick Keys that are used when navigating HTML and PDF documents with the Virtual PC Cursor
By default, Touch Navigation Quick Keys are not enabled when the Touch Cursor is activated. This allows you to fully use applications that support typing in the main window. For example, the News app lets you type so you can quickly locate specific stories.
If you would like Touch Navigation Quick keys to be enabled automatically when the Touch Cursor is activated in a specific application, press
to open Quick Settings while focused in the application, navigate to the Touch Cursor Options group, and select Touch Quick Keys. You can also press
while the Touch Cursor is active to temporarily toggle Touch Navigation Quick Keys on or off.
Advanced Object Navigation
For advanced users, specifically those who may be involved with developing applications, Advanced Navigation provides more detail about all objects in the UIA (User Interface Automation) structure.
With the standard Touch Cursor, you can only navigate objects that are visible on the screen in the current application. In Advanced Navigation, the Touch Cursor traverses all UIA objects in a hierarchical manner. All Objects, whether visible or not, can be traversed in Advanced Navigation.
To enable Advanced Navigation, press
NUM PAD STAR
if using the laptop keyboard layout, while the Touch Cursor is active. Once active, use the
keys to move to the previous or next sibling object and the
keys to move to the parent object or the first child object. To view more Advanced Navigation commands, press
while this mode is active. Press
NUM PAD STAR once more to turn off Advanced Navigation and return to the standard Touch Cursor.
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