Firmware upgradeability


Huze@work <hduff@...>
 

You bring up a valid point Adam.
It's about time the big three start incorporating Flash upgrade
capability into Ham rigs. Put a Flash ROM micro in there
instead of an OTP part (I'll gladly pay the extra $5) with
bootloader code and the appropriate interface to allow us
to update the firmware if and when fixes/updates become
available.

Granted, there will always be the odd case of someone
who messes up the bootloader and ends up having to
take the rig in to be serviced but I'd like to think that we
technical folks won't run into that too often. The usual
risks and warnings would apply.
My non-technical neighbor can Flash upgrade his computer
motherboard but I can't do it with my $1000 Ham rig.
What gives ?

As far as I know only Tentec has gone there.

73 de Hugh VA3TO



Adam Farson wrote:

That would be a function of the DSP. If it is not offered as part of the
package, there will be no practical way for the user to add it.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@netzero.net]
Sent: 01 April 2005 11:16
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000



If this is true a mod to offer ATV TX would be great!
That will really make the rig different

p49k

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote:
According to my information from Japan, TVRO (broadcast TV)
reception will
be a feature of the IC-7000. We shall have to wait for the official
product
announcement to be certain.

Here is an excellent reason to buy the IC-7000, even without TVRO:
It is a
100% IF-DSP-based radio, with the capabilities (and likely much of the
performance) of the IC-756Pro3 and IC-746Pro, in a small mobile package.
There are no filters to buy either!

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@n...]
Sent: 01 April 2005 06:24
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000



Would ATV (video) reception be a rumor or a wish for the IC-7000. I'm
thinking about getting but can't come up with a reason yet.

p49k

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote:
Hi Ismail,





Yes, I can see that. (Excuse the pun!) The primary usage of the TVRO
feature
will probably be in Japan, where most TV broadcasting is over-the-air.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ

-----Original Message-----
From: ke6tln@j... [mailto:ke6tln@j...]
Sent: 30 March 2005 16:21
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ic7000] FW: IC-7000



Hi Adam,

The capability of TV reception is a welcome addition for those of us
who are
involved in ATV and would like to have the combined capability of
conversing
in VHF/UHF and watching the output of an ATV repeater on, say 421.250.

Regards,
Ismail, KT6LN




Hi Ed,

I believe this refers to domestic delivery in Japan. The FCC
certification
process will delay US release, probably until 3Q/2005.

The TV-receive capability will be of little use in Canada, as almost
100% of
TV service is on cable or satellite and there are very few
over-the-air TV
transmitters left. Much of the UHF-TV spectrum has been
reallocated to
land-mobile and wireless services.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ





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jimwasson1 <jimwasson1@...>
 

...Firmware upgradeability
Absolutely right! Given how much we are paying for these rigs, this
capability ought to be very standard. I hope Icom listens to this one.

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, "Huze@w..." <hduff@c...> wrote:
You bring up a valid point Adam.
It's about time the big three start incorporating Flash upgrade
capability into Ham rigs. Put a Flash ROM micro in there
instead of an OTP part (I'll gladly pay the extra $5) with
bootloader code and the appropriate interface to allow us
to update the firmware if and when fixes/updates become
available.

Granted, there will always be the odd case of someone
who messes up the bootloader and ends up having to
take the rig in to be serviced but I'd like to think that we
technical folks won't run into that too often. The usual
risks and warnings would apply.
My non-technical neighbor can Flash upgrade his computer
motherboard but I can't do it with my $1000 Ham rig.
What gives ?

As far as I know only Tentec has gone there.

73 de Hugh VA3TO



Adam Farson wrote:

That would be a function of the DSP. If it is not offered as part
of the
package, there will be no practical way for the user to add it.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@n...]
Sent: 01 April 2005 11:16
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000



If this is true a mod to offer ATV TX would be great!
That will really make the rig different

p49k

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote:
According to my information from Japan, TVRO (broadcast TV)
reception will
be a feature of the IC-7000. We shall have to wait for the official
product
announcement to be certain.

Here is an excellent reason to buy the IC-7000, even without TVRO:
It is a
100% IF-DSP-based radio, with the capabilities (and likely much
of the
performance) of the IC-756Pro3 and IC-746Pro, in a small mobile
package.
There are no filters to buy either!

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@n...]
Sent: 01 April 2005 06:24
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000



Would ATV (video) reception be a rumor or a wish for the
IC-7000. I'm
thinking about getting but can't come up with a reason yet.

p49k

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, Adam Farson <farson@s...> wrote:
Hi Ismail,





Yes, I can see that. (Excuse the pun!) The primary usage of
the TVRO
feature
will probably be in Japan, where most TV broadcasting is
over-the-air.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: ke6tln@j... [mailto:ke6tln@j...]
Sent: 30 March 2005 16:21
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ic7000] FW: IC-7000



Hi Adam,

The capability of TV reception is a welcome addition for those
of us
who are
involved in ATV and would like to have the combined capability of
conversing
in VHF/UHF and watching the output of an ATV repeater on, say
421.250.

Regards,
Ismail, KT6LN




Hi Ed,

I believe this refers to domestic delivery in Japan. The FCC
certification
process will delay US release, probably until 3Q/2005.

The TV-receive capability will be of little use in Canada, as
almost
100% of
TV service is on cable or satellite and there are very few
over-the-air TV
transmitters left. Much of the UHF-TV spectrum has been
reallocated to
land-mobile and wireless services.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ





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Dave Dunbar <n0rq-lists@...>
 

Just a few weeks ago, I upgraded the firmware in my Kenwood TS-480SAT
-
- worked great. And I agree that any new rigs should be able to do
that!

- Dave N0RQ


--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, "Huze@w..." <hduff@c...> wrote:
You bring up a valid point Adam.
It's about time the big three start incorporating Flash upgrade
capability into Ham rigs.
...
As far as I know only Tentec has gone there.


Ralf Reiterer <ralfreit@...>
 

Just a few weeks ago, I upgraded the firmware in my Kenwood TS-480SAT
-
- worked great. And I agree that any new rigs should be able to do
that!
Also the manufacturer should support firmware updating via the computer
interface and document it. That way thrid party control software could
provide support for it, e.g. by a wizard or the like.

AFAIK the IC-7800 allows firmware update via its ethernet port. However
as its undocumented, an Icom utility software has to be used.

Ralf, OE5ROP


RB <kx7q@...>
 

One point: Usually, the issue of a flash ROM is defined in terms of the
longevity of any product. Since the development cycle for Icom's best
and brightest products, eg. IC-706 / 706MKII / 706MKIIG and now the
756x series--I say, given the fact that the development cycle for these
products is now reaching several years (the IC-706 was first introduced
in 1999, IIRC), it seems that flash upgradeability would be a distinct
development support advantage.

73 de KX7Q


Huze Laptop <hduff@...>
 

I hear you but IMHO there's really no excuse
not to use a Flash microcontroller in this
day and age. Whether or not a Flash upgrade
is ever required during the product life, the cost
to incorporate the capability is minimal. I don't
know about you, but it sure would make me feel
more comfortable to know that the capability is
there on a piece of equipment that I just paid
$1000 for, especially if I buy one from an early
production run.
It could also allow the equipment manufacturer
to get the product to market faster, then offer
updates at a later time (i.e. ATV transmit).
We're not talking about toasters or VCRs here
and techies love "updates". I like it !

A cynic might conclude that not providing an
upgrade path such as firmware flashing capability
is simply a marketing strategy to force turnover for
sales of the new and improved replacement product.

73 de Hugh VA3TO

RB wrote:


One point: Usually, the issue of a flash ROM is defined in terms of the
longevity of any product. Since the development cycle for Icom's best
and brightest products, eg. IC-706 / 706MKII / 706MKIIG and now the
756x series--I say, given the fact that the development cycle for these
products is now reaching several years (the IC-706 was first introduced
in 1999, IIRC), it seems that flash upgradeability would be a distinct
development support advantage.

73 de KX7Q




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Matt Yellen
 

Having worked with the D-STAR products, in ICOMs most
advanced product line, I can tell you that you will
not be seeing user upgradeable firmware, and
especially bootloader access any time soon.


--- jimwasson1 <jimwasson1@yahoo.com> wrote:


...Firmware upgradeability
Absolutely right! Given how much we are paying for
these rigs, this
capability ought to be very standard. I hope Icom
listens to this one.

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, "Huze@w..."
<hduff@c...> wrote:
You bring up a valid point Adam.
It's about time the big three start incorporating
Flash upgrade
capability into Ham rigs. Put a Flash ROM micro
in there
instead of an OTP part (I'll gladly pay the extra
$5) with
bootloader code and the appropriate interface to
allow us
to update the firmware if and when fixes/updates
become
available.

Granted, there will always be the odd case of
someone
who messes up the bootloader and ends up having to
take the rig in to be serviced but I'd like to
think that we
technical folks won't run into that too often. The
usual
risks and warnings would apply.
My non-technical neighbor can Flash upgrade his
computer
motherboard but I can't do it with my $1000 Ham
rig.
What gives ?

As far as I know only Tentec has gone there.

73 de Hugh VA3TO



Adam Farson wrote:

That would be a function of the DSP. If it is
not offered as part
of the
package, there will be no practical way for the
user to add it.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@n...]
Sent: 01 April 2005 11:16
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000



If this is true a mod to offer ATV TX would be
great!
That will really make the rig different

p49k

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, Adam Farson
<farson@s...> wrote:
According to my information from Japan, TVRO
(broadcast TV)
reception will
be a feature of the IC-7000. We shall have to
wait for the official
product
announcement to be certain.

Here is an excellent reason to buy the
IC-7000, even without TVRO:
It is a
100% IF-DSP-based radio, with the capabilities
(and likely much
of the
performance) of the IC-756Pro3 and IC-746Pro,
in a small mobile
package.
There are no filters to buy either!

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: p49k [mailto:n1kk@n...]
Sent: 01 April 2005 06:24
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ic7000] Re: FW: IC-7000



Would ATV (video) reception be a rumor or a
wish for the
IC-7000. I'm
thinking about getting but can't come up with
a reason yet.

p49k

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, Adam Farson
<farson@s...> wrote:
Hi Ismail,





Yes, I can see that. (Excuse the pun!) The
primary usage of
the TVRO
feature
will probably be in Japan, where most TV
broadcasting is
over-the-air.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ


-----Original Message-----
From: ke6tln@j... [mailto:ke6tln@j...]
Sent: 30 March 2005 16:21
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ic7000] FW: IC-7000



Hi Adam,

The capability of TV reception is a welcome
addition for those
of us
who are
involved in ATV and would like to have the
combined capability of
conversing
in VHF/UHF and watching the output of an ATV
repeater on, say
421.250.

Regards,
Ismail, KT6LN




Hi Ed,

I believe this refers to domestic delivery
in Japan. The FCC
certification
process will delay US release, probably
until 3Q/2005.

The TV-receive capability will be of little
use in Canada, as
almost
100% of
TV service is on cable or satellite and
there are very few
over-the-air TV
transmitters left. Much of the UHF-TV
spectrum has been
reallocated to
land-mobile and wireless services.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ





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