Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?


Tom <tgleeman@...>
 

Hi IC7000 Fans,

Here's a question for anyone in the Group: Do we have any
evidence that what we write here affects the design of the proposed
IC7000?

Tom
KE6YNH, 73
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Adam Farson
 

Hi Tom,

Evidence, no. Nothing one could put a finger on. Nevertheless, informal
conversations with Icom reps at various shows I have attended over the years
suggest that Icom keeps an eye on product-related sites (such as
http://www.qsl.net/icom/ and my site) and discussion groups.

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ

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Subject: [ic7000] Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?


Hi IC7000 Fans,

Here's a question for anyone in the Group: Do we have any evidence that what
we write here affects the design of the proposed IC7000?

Tom
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Brian Mury <ve7ngr@...>
 

On Mon, 2005-28-02 at 01:13 -0800, Adam Farson wrote:
Evidence, no. Nothing one could put a finger on. Nevertheless, informal
conversations with Icom reps at various shows I have attended over the years
suggest that Icom keeps an eye on product-related sites (such as
http://www.qsl.net/icom/ and my site) and discussion groups.
It is, however, probably too late for the IC-7000. Maybe the MK2... :-)


MKM <mab2000@...>
 

correct, too late now but the mk2.

Note to Icom:

- I want digital audio IN/OUT.
- I want a complete antenna system for the car a la atas-120, or a new
AH-5 tuner that follows frequency change and tune the antenna system
without transmitting each time (from memory of previously tuned
values).
- Software upgradable through ethernet port which is also used for
remote operation.
- Ability to receive one HF band in SSB/CW and 2m FM AT THE SAME TIME.
This is possible if the fm side of 2m/440 is just a classic non-dsp
design as there is only one IF-DSP chain.
- Please make sure that if we connect ICOM's 2.4 GHz converter, the
display corrects itself for the proper band operation (not displaying
2m frequency while in 2.4ghz mode).
- I repeat my desire for the ethernet port or a USB 2 port. Lets dump
the old control interface for the new USB 2.
- Ability to run down to 9.6V with reduced RX current and power limited
to about 5 watts with display auto-off
- Make sure you use LED backlit for the display.
- Why not put the capability to decode DRM in the DSP and be the first
Amateur equipment to do so.

I do not think there will be enough room for video out for external
display.

-best

On Feb 28, 2005, at 4:39 AM, Brian Mury wrote:

On Mon, 2005-28-02 at 01:13 -0800, Adam Farson wrote:
> Evidence, no. Nothing one could put a finger on. Nevertheless,
informal
> conversations with Icom reps at various shows I have attended over
the years
> suggest that Icom keeps an eye on product-related sites (such as
> http://www.qsl.net/icom/ and my site) and discussion groups.

It is, however, probably too late for the IC-7000. Maybe the MK2...
:-)





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Ralf Reiterer <ralfreit@...>
 

Since many guys have already placed their wishes for the IC-7000 (or
probably for MKII or later), I will add mine below:

My focus will be more on the interoperability features between the
IC-7000 and the computer since most other desires have already been
written by other people. OK, here they are:

* implement a sophisticated CI-V command set that allows (almost) all
functions to be controlled from the computer. As that is the case for
most modern radios like the PROIII and therefore nothing new has to be
invented, that should not a real problem. Just "copy and paste" the
PROIII's firmware code, Icom! ;-)

* document all extended commands like the extended memory read/write 1A
00, so that it is easily usable.

* allow bandscope samples to be read from the computer. The AOR
AR-8200/8600 provides a simliar feature, so it should be possible,
although the bandwidth of the serial cable is limited.

* support special characters like ö,ä,ü,ß,ó,ò,á etc. in memory names. In
Europe almost any language needs them. Icom, take a look the characters
in Windows 1252 and 1250 character set.

* report ALL changes made directly on the radio back to the computer -
currently only frequency and mode changes are reported.

* I vote for keeping the CI-V 3.5mm jack since every Icom radio has it
and therefore allows to operate them all via one bus line.

* But I also welcome an USB or ethernet jack. Ethernet would be better
since it is almost as easy to use as the serial line. USB is a bit
tricky if it is a real USB jack and not a "serial line wrapped into an
USB line" as it is the case for the IC-R20.

I think that's it for the moment. ;-)

Ralf, OE5ROP


donlvnv <donlvnv@...>
 

Ditto's on the ethernet instead of USB. you can run a ethernet cable
300 ft I believe vs 15 for usb.

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, "Ralf Reiterer" <ralfreit@g...> wrote:
Since many guys have already placed their wishes for the IC-7000 (or
probably for MKII or later), I will add mine below:

My focus will be more on the interoperability features between the
IC-7000 and the computer since most other desires have already been
written by other people. OK, here they are:

* implement a sophisticated CI-V command set that allows (almost) all
functions to be controlled from the computer. As that is the case for
most modern radios like the PROIII and therefore nothing new has to be
invented, that should not a real problem. Just "copy and paste" the
PROIII's firmware code, Icom! ;-)

* document all extended commands like the extended memory read/write 1A
00, so that it is easily usable.

* allow bandscope samples to be read from the computer. The AOR
AR-8200/8600 provides a simliar feature, so it should be possible,
although the bandwidth of the serial cable is limited.

* support special characters like ö,ä,ü,ß,ó,ò,á etc. in memory names. In
Europe almost any language needs them. Icom, take a look the characters
in Windows 1252 and 1250 character set.

* report ALL changes made directly on the radio back to the computer -
currently only frequency and mode changes are reported.

* I vote for keeping the CI-V 3.5mm jack since every Icom radio has it
and therefore allows to operate them all via one bus line.

* But I also welcome an USB or ethernet jack. Ethernet would be better
since it is almost as easy to use as the serial line. USB is a bit
tricky if it is a real USB jack and not a "serial line wrapped into an
USB line" as it is the case for the IC-R20.

I think that's it for the moment. ;-)

Ralf, OE5ROP


jdow <jdow@...>
 

Just a thought - the USB interface concept is "nice". But it is
horridly short range. There is something to be said for the ability
to have the radio on a somewhat longer tether than USB allows,
particularly the newer USB2.

A good tuner is not going to fit inside a radio as small as the 7000.
Low loss requires large components most of the time. (I start shivering
well above temperatures suited to even the highest temperature super-
conductors we have.)

The user interface aspects of the dual transceive may prove the
downfall of such a design attempt. But it "might" be nice. (Do
everything generally leaves out the "well" word. There is a time,
place, and market for it. Just be aware of the tradeoff.)

For FM running down to 9.6 volts is easy. For SSB you raise your
distortion considerably. A power supply to boost the 9.6 back to
13.8 is costly and consumes volume. It's a tradeoff. (A rig that
can run down to 9.6 volts and has many users who routinely do that
could earn the same revulsion from me I felt for the Swan 6 meter
transceiver that splattered across 6 meters instead of behaving
nicely in most instances.)

LED backlight is indeed a really good idea whose time has come,
I suspect.

DRM in the DSP may be a good idea. I have mixed opinions. For a
little thing like the 7000 I think it is a very good idea. For a
big thing like the ProIII or 7800 I believe DRM and other decoders
belong in attached computers operating off an Ethernet supplied
feed from the IF strip's I/Q "if" information after basic bandpass
filtering and such. That way a computer can provide much of the
DSP function. This allows an instant modulation mode update as the
technology base grows.

In line with that last I want the digital IF outputs "tapped" just
before the demodulation to baseband for SSB or whatnot. I also want
the digital baseband "audio". I want 'em on a nice TCP link by
command over that same TCP link. That is fitting accompaniment to
Ethernet based remote control.

{^_^} Hey, W6MKU can dream, can't she?

----- Original Message -----
From: "MKM" <mab2000@verizon.net>

correct, too late now but the mk2.

Note to Icom:

- I want digital audio IN/OUT.
- I want a complete antenna system for the car a la atas-120, or a new
AH-5 tuner that follows frequency change and tune the antenna system
without transmitting each time (from memory of previously tuned
values).
- Software upgradable through ethernet port which is also used for
remote operation.
- Ability to receive one HF band in SSB/CW and 2m FM AT THE SAME TIME.
This is possible if the fm side of 2m/440 is just a classic non-dsp
design as there is only one IF-DSP chain.
- Please make sure that if we connect ICOM's 2.4 GHz converter, the
display corrects itself for the proper band operation (not displaying
2m frequency while in 2.4ghz mode).
- I repeat my desire for the ethernet port or a USB 2 port. Lets dump
the old control interface for the new USB 2.
- Ability to run down to 9.6V with reduced RX current and power limited
to about 5 watts with display auto-off
- Make sure you use LED backlit for the display.
- Why not put the capability to decode DRM in the DSP and be the first
Amateur equipment to do so.

I do not think there will be enough room for video out for external
display.

-best



On Feb 28, 2005, at 4:39 AM, Brian Mury wrote:

On Mon, 2005-28-02 at 01:13 -0800, Adam Farson wrote:
> Evidence, no. Nothing one could put a finger on. Nevertheless,
informal
> conversations with Icom reps at various shows I have attended over
the years
> suggest that Icom keeps an eye on product-related sites (such as
> http://www.qsl.net/icom/ and my site) and discussion groups.

It is, however, probably too late for the IC-7000. Maybe the MK2...
:-)





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jdow <jdow@...>
 

All these wish lists sound more like "7800 Mk II G" rather than 7000.

Allowing bandscope data to feed over the Ethernet remote control
interface is something I forgot to mention. (And I admit I am
treading on 7800B or MkII or whatnot territory.)

Reports back to the radio via Ethernet can and should be unpolled.
Ethernet handles collision details nicely. That gets rid of many
of the uglies of the CI-V interface;. I'd add to your 1A memory
reports request the implicit request that they be "complete". Any
memory should memorise the entire control state of the radio at the
time and restore it on call back. That complete status should be
part of the remote control memory status report. (And a poll to
request "radio status" should exist if the "push" mode from radio
to remote controller is not desired.)

(Ethernet remote control begs another question, TCP or UDP. I'd LOVE
to natter with the engineers designing it over just this issue. I
have some nice practical experience, some of which was painful to gain.)

{^_^}

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralf Reiterer" <ralfreit@gmx.at>



Since many guys have already placed their wishes for the IC-7000 (or
probably for MKII or later), I will add mine below:

My focus will be more on the interoperability features between the
IC-7000 and the computer since most other desires have already been
written by other people. OK, here they are:

* implement a sophisticated CI-V command set that allows (almost) all
functions to be controlled from the computer. As that is the case for
most modern radios like the PROIII and therefore nothing new has to be
invented, that should not a real problem. Just "copy and paste" the
PROIII's firmware code, Icom! ;-)

* document all extended commands like the extended memory read/write 1A
00, so that it is easily usable.

* allow bandscope samples to be read from the computer. The AOR
AR-8200/8600 provides a simliar feature, so it should be possible,
although the bandwidth of the serial cable is limited.

* support special characters like �,�,�,�,�,�,� etc. in memory names. In
Europe almost any language needs them. Icom, take a look the characters
in Windows 1252 and 1250 character set.

* report ALL changes made directly on the radio back to the computer -
currently only frequency and mode changes are reported.

* I vote for keeping the CI-V 3.5mm jack since every Icom radio has it
and therefore allows to operate them all via one bus line.

* But I also welcome an USB or ethernet jack. Ethernet would be better
since it is almost as easy to use as the serial line. USB is a bit
tricky if it is a real USB jack and not a "serial line wrapped into an
USB line" as it is the case for the IC-R20.

I think that's it for the moment. ;-)

Ralf, OE5ROP




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MKM <mab2000@...>
 

Actually, I do not want a tuner inside the 7000 either. Rather, I was talking about a proposed AH-5 which would be an AH-4 replacement. These tuners are external, long wire tuners.

On Mar 1, 2005, at 2:29 AM, jdow wrote:


A good tuner is not going to fit inside a radio as small as the 7000.
Low loss requires large components most of the time. (I start shivering
well above temperatures suited to even the highest temperature super-
conductors we have.)


Dennis <sky_kingii@...>
 

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, Brian Mury <ve7ngr@s...> wrote:
On Mon, 2005-28-02 at 01:13 -0800, Adam Farson wrote:
Evidence, no. Nothing one could put a finger on. Nevertheless,
informal
conversations with Icom reps at various shows I have attended
over the years
suggest that Icom keeps an eye on product-related sites (such as
http://www.qsl.net/icom/ and my site) and discussion groups.
It is, however, probably too late for the IC-7000. Maybe the
MK2... :-)

I agree with Brian.
If the 7000 is actually debuting @ Dayton like many have speculated,
then there's no way it's still in the design phase. So 'wishing' for
220/70mhz etc etc ad nausium is still only 'wishing

Denny WA8SHC


Steve <steve.noskowicz@...>
 

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com,
"Ralf Reiterer" <ralfreit@g...>
Ralf, OE5ROP wrote:
...IC-7000 and the computer...
* implement a sophisticated CI-V command set that allows (almost)
all functions to be controlled from the computer.

No, all! and not just conrolled, but readable as well.


* allow bandscope samples to be read from the computer.
And S-meter.


* report ALL changes made directly on the radio back to the
computer -
I'll up the ante on this and request that the changes which are
reported be user programmable via CI-V. Only tales one bit per
parameter to report.


73, Steve, K9DCI


jdow <jdow@...>
 

From: "Steve" <steve.noskowicz@motorola.com>
"Ralf Reiterer" <ralfreit@g...>
Ralf, OE5ROP wrote:
...IC-7000 and the computer...
* implement a sophisticated CI-V command set that allows (almost)
all functions to be controlled from the computer.

No, all! and not just conrolled, but readable as well.
It should be, "All paramaters can be remotely controlled AND remotely
read." Anything else will annoy someone, say a perfectionist like me.
{^_-}


* report ALL changes made directly on the radio back to the
computer -
I'll up the ante on this and request that the changes which are
reported be user programmable via CI-V. Only tales one bit per
parameter to report.
If the C&R, Control and Reporting, is via CI-V that may be worthwhile.
If the C&R is via Ethernet that's spurious. (CI-V should still exist
and offer the ability to send control data to the likes of a PW-1, of
course. But for remote control it should be considered a dead issue
in exchange for an Ethernet interface that handles the IF samples and
the bandscope data as well as the C&R data. Then we can build magic
with radios.

{^_-} Wobbly 6 Mangy Kilowatts Unleashed.