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Unit Name

Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@...>
 

I wonder why Icom would use the same "name" for a new radio - "IC-
7000" - that they used for a unit a few years ago.

Just to make myself clear about all this: I am sure that the major
manufacturers will debut offerings at Dayton. But I am having trouble
believing that Icom will soon cease production of the '706, since it
is still selling extremely well.

And so it goes....

Clint Bradford, K6LCS


Re: Reality or Myth?

Adam Farson
 

This topic is another "deader".

Best 73,
Adam, VA7OJ/AB4OJ
Owner, Yahoo! ic7000 Group



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Re: Reality or Myth?

MKM <starlight04@...>
 

Just for fun I have contacted Icom Europe, UK and US about the radio.

The Germans replied first saying the radio is still in R&D.

Second, Icom UK said the radio will be out by mid year.

Local Icom here did not return my email.

Yes, of course the radio is real. Try it for yourself by asking, for example Icom UK about it by email.

-best.

On Mar 11, 2005, at 8:05 PM, Adam Farson wrote:


OK Guys, let's not get in an argument about this.

If the radio is "for real", as we have reason to believe it is , we will all
rejoice.

If it is not, we will all say "Oh well..." and move on. Life is too short
for any other reaction.

Best 73,
Adam, VA7OJ/AB4OJ
Owner, Yahoo! ic7000 Group


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Mitchell [mailto:n6tgk@yahoo.com]
Sent: 11 March 2005 16:05
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ic7000] Reality or Myth?


Hmmm, it wasn't enough for Clint to post his negativity about this radio on
eHam, he had to do it here as well.

--- Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@earthlink.net> wrote:

Has anyone seen this "7000" in any of the Japanese radio trade
magazines? Personally, until I see it appear there, I won;t be holding
my breath for its US debut.

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Re: Reality or Myth?

Adam Farson
 

OK Guys, let's not get in an argument about this.

If the radio is "for real", as we have reason to believe it is , we will all
rejoice.

If it is not, we will all say "Oh well..." and move on. Life is too short
for any other reaction.

Best 73,
Adam, VA7OJ/AB4OJ
Owner, Yahoo! ic7000 Group

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Mitchell [mailto:n6tgk@yahoo.com]
Sent: 11 March 2005 16:05
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ic7000] Reality or Myth?


Hmmm, it wasn't enough for Clint to post his negativity about this radio on
eHam, he had to do it here as well.

--- Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@earthlink.net> wrote:

Has anyone seen this "7000" in any of the Japanese radio trade
magazines? Personally, until I see it appear there, I won;t be holding
my breath for its US debut.

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Re: Reality or Myth?

Dr. Howard S. White <drpaper@...>
 

HRO told me today not to expect it in the USA before the 4th quarter.

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----- Original Message -----
From: rin JG1VGX
To: ic7000@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [ic7000] Reality or Myth?


There is no sign of appearance in Japanese magazine, no rumour with more
details circulating in JA.

73 rin JG1VGX


Clint Bradford wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen this "7000" in any of the Japanese radio trade
> magazines? Personally, until I see it appear there, I won;t be
> holding my breath for its US debut.
>
> Clint Bradford, K6LCS

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Re: Reality or Myth?

rin JG1VGX <jg1vgx@...>
 

There is no sign of appearance in Japanese magazine, no rumour with more details circulating in JA.

73 rin JG1VGX


Clint Bradford wrote:

Has anyone seen this "7000" in any of the Japanese radio trade magazines? Personally, until I see it appear there, I won;t be holding my breath for its US debut.
Clint Bradford, K6LCS


Re: Reality or Myth?

Seabury <tseabury@...>
 

Group and Clint,
As I have stated before, if this is a spoof then Icom should take a real
hard look at it!
The details in the pictures and the look and feel of the controls
represents a fantastic
preview of the next generation of a 706 series radio. The
information, particularly
the picture, is what Icom should have paid, and maybe did pay, many
thousands of bucks
to have someone conceive.
If it's a spoof then the best thing Icom should do would be to copy the
picture and get started!!!
Sorry Clint, but if it's a "myth", then Icom has lost their mind!

de KI6O Tom


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Reality or Myth?

Clint Bradford <clintbrad4d@...>
 

Has anyone seen this "7000" in any of the Japanese radio trade
magazines? Personally, until I see it appear there, I won;t be
holding my breath for its US debut.

Clint Bradford, K6LCS


Hi All

ve1kco <F_disker@...>
 

HI

Just joined the group thought i say hello cant wait for more info on
the Rig....Hi Hi

Wondering if anyone as a bigger Pic of the Ic 7000 ?


thanks
Corey
Ve1kco


Re: IC700 (Was IC7000)

MKM <starlight04@...>
 

Maybe but, Icom is switching to 4 number model designation (7800, 7400).

On Mar 9, 2005, at 3:36 PM, bty806030 wrote:



Hi all just visited an emporium in Scotland & he reckons he has had
info on the IC700 not the IC7000 but couldnt lay his hands on it.

Could make more sense not conflicting with ICR7000 & having 3
numbers as the 706 series.

John G0VGZ






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IC700 (Was IC7000)

bty806030
 

Hi all just visited an emporium in Scotland & he reckons he has had
info on the IC700 not the IC7000 but couldnt lay his hands on it.

Could make more sense not conflicting with ICR7000 & having 3
numbers as the 706 series.

John G0VGZ


Re: Mil 810 C, D, E for shock......Mil 810 C, D, E, for vibration in IC706/7000

Per Eriksson <sm4xiu@...>
 

Anyone.....what's inside your 706.....and possibly
the 7000 that keeps the parts from rattling around????


My 706 brick is surrounded by concrete :)


Re: Digest Number 21

Mark - AA6DX
 

It was the commercial version .. now to figure out which computer it is on .. pretty nice, though. In the midst of changin' from 1.5 MB DSL to 5 MB Cable ... w/ wireless, all that... so slo on uptake .. Kinda like finding OtorMola data.. HIHI May all your chicks be blessed... 73, Mark .. AA6DX
aa6dx@arrl.net
aa6dx@cox.net

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Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 1:56 PM
Subject: [ic7000] Digest Number 21



There is 1 message in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Did that "Manual" ever materalize?
From: "Steve" <steve.noskowicz@motorola.com>


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:57:38 -0000
From: "Steve" <steve.noskowicz@motorola.com>
Subject: Did that "Manual" ever materalize?



Or was it a typo...or a (friendly) spoof?!

I want a cup holder...and APRS...and PSK and all them modes...

73, Steve, K9DCI

P.S. It *had* to be a pregnant chicken that came first.





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Re: Mil 810 C, D, E for shock......Mil 810 C, D, E, for vibration in IC706/7000

Steve <steve.noskowicz@...>
 

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, MKM <starlight04@g...> wrote:
...

...Icom should just release the specs now and deliver later.

Let's see. Will that increase or decrease tha amount of drool?

Slurp!

73, Steve, K9DCI


Did that "Manual" ever materalize?

Steve <steve.noskowicz@...>
 

Or was it a typo...or a (friendly) spoof?!

I want a cup holder...and APRS...and PSK and all them modes...

73, Steve, K9DCI

P.S. It *had* to be a pregnant chicken that came first.


Re: Received email from Icom support centre

bty806030
 

--- In ic7000@yahoogroups.com, MKM <mab2000@v...> wrote:
This is a nice way of saying:

1) This is Icom World technical support, not new product release
page
or division!
The Japan Icom website only has this "Technical Support" email
address available, Nothing else. So I thought it was at least worth
a try, But as I said will keep uplifting stones to find more info.

John.


On Feb 25, 2005, at 4:22 AM, bty806030 wrote:
From: "world_support" <world_support@i...>
Cc: "IA Amatuer" <Amateur@i...>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: NEW IC706IIG REPLACEMENT


> Dear Sir,
>
> Thank you for your inquiry on Icom products.
>
> Concerning the product information, it is matter of regret that
> we do not have any new product information here
> in the World Support Center since this is a contact window
> for technical support for current models.


Re: Wishes for remote control (was Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?)

jdow <jdow@...>
 

From: "Ralf Reiterer" <ralfreit@gmx.at>
To: <ic7000@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 2005 March, 05, Saturday 17:21
Subject: [ic7000] Wishes for remote control (was Do our comments affect the
design of the IC7000 ?)



Reports back to the radio via Ethernet can and should be
unpolled. Ethernet handles collision details nicely. That
gets rid of many of the uglies of the CI-V interface;. I'd
add to your 1A memory reports request the implicit request
that they be "complete". Any memory should memorise the
entire control state of the radio at the time and restore it
on call back. That complete status should be part of the
remote control memory status report. (And a poll to request
"radio status" should exist if the "push" mode from radio to
remote controller is not desired.)
The radio should support both, the push and pull mode. By default the
push mode should be deactivated since not every client might desire (or
even be capable to handle) it.
Push is not needed for Ethernet control and arguably adds noise. It
does require a "UDP" broadcast mode of operation to be meaningful. I
had envisioned "TCP" point to point mode. To keep the push mode from
spraying where it does not belong the network setup in the transceiver
would be more complex. Either the user would need to know the proper
netmask to apply or the transceiver would have to properly implement
zero configuration DHCP as well as manual settings. (I HIGHLY vote for
the latter, too. It makes life easier.)

I'll up the ante on this and request that the changes which are
reported be user programmable via CI-V. Only tales one bit per
parameter to report.
I completely agree on that.
With Ethernet this is utterly spurious. Short messages are very
inefficient using the Ethernet bandwidth. The minimum Ethernet packet
size is some 64 bytes. That is a LOT of data compared to what the
usual ICOM transceiver gives you access to. Most control and polling
messages would be smaller than the minimum packet size and would be
padded out to length. (This minimum is part of the Ethernet
collision detection system.)

Regarding collisions, ethernet is of course a far better choice as
issues are handled at operating system level and therefore will remove
complexity from the IC-7000 device driver.

However the IC-7800 only uses ethernet for updating its firmware, as I
have read. So we can only hope that Icom sees the signs of time and
opens the ethernet port for remote control and bandscope samples too. We
will see what happens. ;-)
That is to wish for.

If the C&R, Control and Reporting, is via CI-V that may be
worthwhile. If the C&R is via Ethernet that's spurious. (CI-V
should still exist and offer the ability to send control data
to the likes of a PW-1, of course. But for remote control it
should be considered a dead issue in exchange for an Ethernet
interface that handles the IF samples and the bandscope data
as well as the C&R data. Then we can build magic with radios.
I do not completely agree on that as the CI-V system will also be
necessary if you want to connect the IC-7000 to another Icom radio, e.g.
to do CI-V transceive. Otherwise you will always need a software or
microcontroller that interfaces CI-V with ethernet. But I don't think
it's a big issue to keep the CI-V jack and add an ethernet jack too. Of
course sending bandscope samples will make most sense for ethernet only
as you don't have to take care about the low bandwidth the CI-V bus has.
However AOR managed to do that for the AR-8200. You can read the
bandscope samples in a packed format via the serial port. But I have not
tested how performant this solution is. So ethernet is definitely the
better choice for such things.
That is within the "likes of a PW-1" consideration I mentioned. It's
"legacy support", which should not be abandoned. But I think the future
lies in Ethernet cable, even if its a simple twist cable. And in that
future my comment about "PUSH" being spurious may be wrong. Although
giving a radio a name and allowing (multiple perhaps) TCP connections
to it is a good idea. Then push is not so potentially hazardous to
the network. Broadcast UDP leaking out to the Internet as a whole
is "impolite." Of course a good firewall would stop it. But why rely
on what might not be there.

{^_-} W6MKU, also a bit of a network tweaker type. 60 years is a
LONG TIME to pick up a lot of knowledge if learning is your
"thing".


Wishes for remote control (was Do our comments affect the design of the IC7000 ?)

Ralf Reiterer <ralfreit@...>
 

Reports back to the radio via Ethernet can and should be
unpolled. Ethernet handles collision details nicely. That
gets rid of many of the uglies of the CI-V interface;. I'd
add to your 1A memory reports request the implicit request
that they be "complete". Any memory should memorise the
entire control state of the radio at the time and restore it
on call back. That complete status should be part of the
remote control memory status report. (And a poll to request
"radio status" should exist if the "push" mode from radio to
remote controller is not desired.)
The radio should support both, the push and pull mode. By default the
push mode should be deactivated since not every client might desire (or
even be capable to handle) it.

I'll up the ante on this and request that the changes which are
reported be user programmable via CI-V. Only tales one bit per
parameter to report.
I completely agree on that.

Regarding collisions, ethernet is of course a far better choice as
issues are handled at operating system level and therefore will remove
complexity from the IC-7000 device driver.

However the IC-7800 only uses ethernet for updating its firmware, as I
have read. So we can only hope that Icom sees the signs of time and
opens the ethernet port for remote control and bandscope samples too. We
will see what happens. ;-)

...IC-7000 and the computer...
* implement a sophisticated CI-V command set that allows (almost)
all functions to be controlled from the computer.

No, all! and not just conrolled, but readable as well.
Why not allow all functions to be controlled? That would open nice
opportunities.
Of course they should be readable as well. But that's already the case
for almost all functions today.

If the C&R, Control and Reporting, is via CI-V that may be
worthwhile. If the C&R is via Ethernet that's spurious. (CI-V
should still exist and offer the ability to send control data
to the likes of a PW-1, of course. But for remote control it
should be considered a dead issue in exchange for an Ethernet
interface that handles the IF samples and the bandscope data
as well as the C&R data. Then we can build magic with radios.
I do not completely agree on that as the CI-V system will also be
necessary if you want to connect the IC-7000 to another Icom radio, e.g.
to do CI-V transceive. Otherwise you will always need a software or
microcontroller that interfaces CI-V with ethernet. But I don't think
it's a big issue to keep the CI-V jack and add an ethernet jack too. Of
course sending bandscope samples will make most sense for ethernet only
as you don't have to take care about the low bandwidth the CI-V bus has.
However AOR managed to do that for the AR-8200. You can read the
bandscope samples in a packed format via the serial port. But I have not
tested how performant this solution is. So ethernet is definitely the
better choice for such things.

Regards
Ralf


Re: Mil 810......... I hereby close the thread

Adam Farson
 

Hi Tom,

Oh, no problem, guys - MIL-STD 810 compliance of Icom products is very
relevant to the group (and also most interesting!)

Cheers for now, 73,
Adam VA7OJ/AB4OJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom [mailto:tgleeman@isp.com]
Sent: 04 March 2005 19:13
To: IC7000
Subject: [ic7000] Mil 810......... I hereby close the thread


Hi Group,

Thanks for the comments on how Icom is meeting Mil Spec 810 on shock and
vibration.

The IC-7000 does not require analog filters so it is
mechanically/electrically more robust in theory.
However, properly mounted PCBs do not vibrate as much with SMT as they
do with the heavier leaded components.
I do not own a 706, but I would venture to guess the 7000 will meet Mil 810
for shock and vibration as well.

The thread is now closed(See Adam, we can be good sometimes).

Tom
KE6YNH, 73
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Mil 810......... I hereby close the thread

Tom <tgleeman@...>
 

Hi Group,

Thanks for the comments on how Icom is meeting
Mil Spec 810 on shock and vibration.

The IC-7000 does not require analog filters so it is
mechanically/electrically more robust in theory.
However, properly mounted PCBs do not vibrate as much
with SMT as they do with the heavier leaded components.
I do not own a 706, but I would venture to guess the 7000
will meet Mil 810 for shock and vibration as well.

The thread is now closed(See Adam, we can be good sometimes).

Tom
KE6YNH, 73
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