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Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

Naomi Lloyd
 

FWIW my photos- my only experience with EUWI was a mile out at Montezuma so I leave the ID to better birders

Naomi


On Friday, April 9, 2021, 01:47:41 PM EDT, gregg_recer <gregg_recer@...> wrote:


while not definitive, it's notable while skimming many of the male EUWI photos in ebird that a good portion do have some green behind the eye; usually it's pretty limited -- more of a smudge -- but a few examples show an elongated dark streak reaching back toward the nape. Contrast between the cheek and the rest of the head also varies a fair amount from nearly completely uniform to paler cheeks in some cases, and to much darker, almost black, cheeks and throat in others.

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gregg recer
malta NY


Re: Help with a Lake Luzurne bird

Lindsey Duval <lindsey.duval@...>
 

Sounds like maybe a Junco with a plumage issue to me, maybe piebaldism or a neutral Crest disorder so it ended up with a bunch of white. Its more upright stance could then be because it is more likely to be seen and eaten by a predator. His description sounds right on for a Junco otherwise including the blotchy gray in the white and those outer tail feathers. 


On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 2:54 PM John Loz via groups.io <stellersjayjohn=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello HMBirds Friends!

Our Southern Adirondack Audubon info email account received an inquiry for bird I'd help from a gentleman in Lake Luzurne. He was not able to get a picture of it, but described in detail as seen below. Any help or suggestions you have would be appreciated! Tough to ID from below, I know, but figure I try.
Thanks everyone!
John Loz

"saw a visually striking small bird I have been unable to identify.  I have tried multiple bird guides and Merlin Online without being able to identify this bird.  I'm no expert, but I'm not new to birdwatching, either. 
I saw a bird with a striking white head on Friday, April 2 in Lake Luzerne, NY.

It was amid a flock of Juncos feeding on the ground near our feeder, hopping and picking up black oil sunflower seed off our lawn.  Unfortunately, I did not have long to observe it, nor did I get a picture.
Its head and neck were a striking white.  It was the same size as a Junco, but with a more erect stance, similar to a sparrow or a finch.
I noticed a narrow gray band on the back of its neck and on its throat, although they did not meet.  Its neck was white down to the shoulders.  There may have been one of two other quite small gray markings on its head.
Its breast was similar in color to the lighter underparts of a Junco.  Its back and wings were blue-gray and heavily streaked.
Its tail was medium long, solid blue-gray, slightly notched and had two very clear white streaks on its outer edges or outer tail feathers.
It hopped out of view and I did not see it fly.  
This was the last day we had a large number of Juncos.  Our area is mostly forested with some open spaces.  
Either this was a very unusual individual of a not unusual species, or a species far from its usual range.
If you can ID this bird, I would be very interested."


Re: Help with a Lake Luzurne bird

ConserveBirds
 

My guess would be a partially leucistic Dark-eyed junco. That tail coloration is pretty diagnostic, and if it was hanging with juncos and acting like a junco, then maybe it is. Not to rule out other possibilities though, anyone else have a guess?


On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 2:54 PM John Loz via groups.io <stellersjayjohn=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello HMBirds Friends!

Our Southern Adirondack Audubon info email account received an inquiry for bird I'd help from a gentleman in Lake Luzurne. He was not able to get a picture of it, but described in detail as seen below. Any help or suggestions you have would be appreciated! Tough to ID from below, I know, but figure I try.
Thanks everyone!
John Loz

"saw a visually striking small bird I have been unable to identify.  I have tried multiple bird guides and Merlin Online without being able to identify this bird.  I'm no expert, but I'm not new to birdwatching, either. 
I saw a bird with a striking white head on Friday, April 2 in Lake Luzerne, NY.

It was amid a flock of Juncos feeding on the ground near our feeder, hopping and picking up black oil sunflower seed off our lawn.  Unfortunately, I did not have long to observe it, nor did I get a picture.
Its head and neck were a striking white.  It was the same size as a Junco, but with a more erect stance, similar to a sparrow or a finch.
I noticed a narrow gray band on the back of its neck and on its throat, although they did not meet.  Its neck was white down to the shoulders.  There may have been one of two other quite small gray markings on its head.
Its breast was similar in color to the lighter underparts of a Junco.  Its back and wings were blue-gray and heavily streaked.
Its tail was medium long, solid blue-gray, slightly notched and had two very clear white streaks on its outer edges or outer tail feathers.
It hopped out of view and I did not see it fly.  
This was the last day we had a large number of Juncos.  Our area is mostly forested with some open spaces.  
Either this was a very unusual individual of a not unusual species, or a species far from its usual range.
If you can ID this bird, I would be very interested."


Help with a Lake Luzurne bird

John Loz
 

Hello HMBirds Friends!

Our Southern Adirondack Audubon info email account received an inquiry for bird I'd help from a gentleman in Lake Luzurne. He was not able to get a picture of it, but described in detail as seen below. Any help or suggestions you have would be appreciated! Tough to ID from below, I know, but figure I try.
Thanks everyone!
John Loz
president@...

"saw a visually striking small bird I have been unable to identify.  I have tried multiple bird guides and Merlin Online without being able to identify this bird.  I'm no expert, but I'm not new to birdwatching, either. 
I saw a bird with a striking white head on Friday, April 2 in Lake Luzerne, NY.

It was amid a flock of Juncos feeding on the ground near our feeder, hopping and picking up black oil sunflower seed off our lawn.  Unfortunately, I did not have long to observe it, nor did I get a picture.
Its head and neck were a striking white.  It was the same size as a Junco, but with a more erect stance, similar to a sparrow or a finch.
I noticed a narrow gray band on the back of its neck and on its throat, although they did not meet.  Its neck was white down to the shoulders.  There may have been one of two other quite small gray markings on its head.
Its breast was similar in color to the lighter underparts of a Junco.  Its back and wings were blue-gray and heavily streaked.
Its tail was medium long, solid blue-gray, slightly notched and had two very clear white streaks on its outer edges or outer tail feathers.
It hopped out of view and I did not see it fly.  
This was the last day we had a large number of Juncos.  Our area is mostly forested with some open spaces.  
Either this was a very unusual individual of a not unusual species, or a species far from its usual range.
If you can ID this bird, I would be very interested."


Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

gregg_recer
 

while not definitive, it's notable while skimming many of the male EUWI photos in ebird that a good portion do have some green behind the eye; usually it's pretty limited -- more of a smudge -- but a few examples show an elongated dark streak reaching back toward the nape. Contrast between the cheek and the rest of the head also varies a fair amount from nearly completely uniform to paler cheeks in some cases, and to much darker, almost black, cheeks and throat in others.

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gregg recer
malta NY


Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

gregg_recer
 

I updated the checklist to reflect the apparent hybrid ID, and also added some more photos with somewhat different angles/lighting. The contrast in the face pattern does seem to be at least hinted at even when the lighting is less harsh, although the effect of harsh shadows contributing to it is hard to assess. ideally some photos with more direct lighting on the face pattern would be nice.

https://ebird.org/checklist/S85153963

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gregg recer
malta NY


Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

Will Raup
 

I agree with Zach, the strong facial pattern looks like a perfect American Wigeon, except for the colors.

Very cool bird!

Will Raup
Glenmont, NY



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-------- Original message --------
From: gregg_recer <gregg_recer@...>
Date: 4/9/21 12:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: hmbirds@groups.io
Subject: Re: [hmbirds] eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

the paler cheeks weren't obvious in the field, but I was wondering about that possibility after going through the photos 
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gregg recer
malta NY


Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

gregg_recer
 

the paler cheeks weren't obvious in the field, but I was wondering about that possibility after going through the photos 
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gregg recer
malta NY


Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

zach schwartz-weinstein
 

The pale cheek and the extensive green around the eye in these photos suggest an American x Eurasian Hybrid to me.  Other shots would be good if folks can get them.

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 12:16 PM gregg_recer <gregg_recer@...> wrote:
a few badly side-lit photos in this checklist:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S85153963

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gregg recer
malta NY

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Zach Schwartz-Weinstein
203 500 7774


Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

Alan Mapes
 

Young bald eagle just circled over and put the three wigeon to flight. 

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 12:16 PM Alan Mapes via groups.io <alanmapes=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Also the two American wigeon with the Eurasian now. 

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 12:02 PM Alan Mapes via groups.io <alanmapes=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Still present at noon, far end of the long pond. With 4 green-winged teal. 

Alan Mapes
Saratoga 

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:29 AM gregg_recer <gregg_recer@...> wrote:
currently viewing a nice bright male eur wigeon with a pair of American wigeon. zim smith trail about 0.5 west of coons crossing parking area, in the pond south of the trail. 


Gregg Recer
gregg_recer@...

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gregg recer
malta NY


Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

gregg_recer
 

a few badly side-lit photos in this checklist:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S85153963

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gregg recer
malta NY


Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

Alan Mapes
 

Also the two American wigeon with the Eurasian now. 

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 12:02 PM Alan Mapes via groups.io <alanmapes=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Still present at noon, far end of the long pond. With 4 green-winged teal. 

Alan Mapes
Saratoga 

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:29 AM gregg_recer <gregg_recer@...> wrote:
currently viewing a nice bright male eur wigeon with a pair of American wigeon. zim smith trail about 0.5 west of coons crossing parking area, in the pond south of the trail. 


Gregg Recer
gregg_recer@...

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gregg recer
malta NY


Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

Alan Mapes
 

Still present at noon, far end of the long pond. With 4 green-winged teal. 

Alan Mapes
Saratoga 

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:29 AM gregg_recer <gregg_recer@...> wrote:
currently viewing a nice bright male eur wigeon with a pair of American wigeon. zim smith trail about 0.5 west of coons crossing parking area, in the pond south of the trail. 


Gregg Recer
gregg_recer@...

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gregg recer
malta NY


Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

gregg_recer
 

sorry, zim smith is in Saratoga county. coons crossing access is off SR 67, malta 

Gregg Recer
gregg_recer@...

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, 9:32 AM Richard Guthrie <richardpguthrie@...> wrote:
Where is the Zim Smith trail?

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On Apr 9, 2021, at 9:29 AM, gregg_recer <gregg_recer@...> wrote:


currently viewing a nice bright male eur wigeon with a pair of American wigeon. zim smith trail about 0.5 west of coons crossing parking area, in the pond south of the trail. 

Gregg Recer
gregg_recer@...

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gregg recer
malta NY

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gregg recer
malta NY


Re: eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

Richard Guthrie
 

Where is the Zim Smith trail?

Sent from my scary smart Phone

On Apr 9, 2021, at 9:29 AM, gregg_recer <gregg_recer@...> wrote:


currently viewing a nice bright male eur wigeon with a pair of American wigeon. zim smith trail about 0.5 west of coons crossing parking area, in the pond south of the trail. 

Gregg Recer
gregg_recer@...

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gregg recer
malta NY


eur wigeon - zim smith trail.

gregg_recer
 

currently viewing a nice bright male eur wigeon with a pair of American wigeon. zim smith trail about 0.5 west of coons crossing parking area, in the pond south of the trail. 

Gregg Recer
gregg_recer@...

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gregg recer
malta NY


Wilson's Snipe at Wright's Loop

jhershey2
 

I didn't check today but yesterday Ron H. and I counted at least 70 (!) Wilson's Snipe at the north end of Wright's Loop.  They are well-camouflaged and blend into the background so that most of them can be easily overlooked.  There were lesser numbers of Wood Duck, American Wigeon, Green-winged Teal, and at least one pair of Northern Pintail.  I did not get any really good pics of the Snipe because they are hard for the camera to see but below are 2.

John H.


Meet-up for birding, Five Rivers EEC, Delmar- Saturday, April 10th

trwdsd
 

Saturday, April 10, 2021- New Arrivals @ Five Rivers EEC, Delmar (8:00 am) 

The past few days have had Pine Warbler, Palm Warbler, Louisiana Waterthrush, Vesper Sparrow and Brown Thrasher reported from Five Rivers, so let's meet-up there again at 8:00am sharp!

Parking lot is located off Game Farm Rd. in Delmar. Large groups of birders may be split into several smaller ones. Be prepared to socially distance and wear a mask when in the company of others. 


Map: https://tinyurl.com/9u2hwwyc


Tom Williams 
Colonie 


Re: YBSA Saratoga

Ellen
 

Yes, we’ve had sapsuckers in my neck of the woods, too.  Yesterday I heard one vocalizing.  I’m hoping they’ll nest nearby as they did last year (we’re at about 900’ elevation).

 

Ellen

West Charlton

 

From: hmbirds@groups.io <hmbirds@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Mapes
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 11:10 AM
To: HMBirds <hmbirds@groups.io>
Subject: [hmbirds] YBSA Saratoga

 

Not rare, but had my first drumming of the season from yellow-bellied sapsucker. They nested here last year outside Saratoga at only 300’ elevation. 

 

Alan Mapes


Re: YBSA Saratoga

gregg_recer
 

likewise, at least 6 sapsuckers drumming and calling this morning at SNHP (also several at Ballston Spa CC couple of days ago). other FOY here at the battlefield today included multiple chipping and field sparrows. 

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gregg recer
malta NY

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