Re: [EXT] Re: [hmbirds] Pheasant


love this discussion. The only ring-necked pheasants in the Town of Austerlitz appear to come from the Austerlitz Club, a place that has raised several thousand pheasants a year for hunting, future breeding stock, and for food in past years. There are escapes that wander away, but our fox, hawk, and coyotes etc. usually get them.

I have seen no wild, established pheasants breeding in Columbia County. I do report them just for the record if they are away from buildings and established release areas. I think we should report them, with a note of explanation.

Nancy Kern

Austerlitz, NY
Columbia County

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Rich, et al.

My reply to Tristan....(in part)

Dear Tristan,
Are we 100% sure no one puts Pheasant on their land for reasons other than hunting?

The survivability question is one we hear over and over. Is there real sustained scientific data to support it. To me it seems to be some conjecture as to their native range vs. our winters. Ring-necked Pheasant are commonly (as common as their un-commonality allows) seen in places quit a ways from hunting preserves.

Nature is chock full of wildlife successfully adapting to introduced climates. For example we have records of pirapitinga (red-bellied pacu) a type of pihrana in the Hudson River that would be at home in the Amazon. Not to be argumentative, but just asking the question that perhaps someone has already answered.

Tom Lake

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Too bad we didn't have an Atlas project or eBird back in the '70s and 80s. I can recall seeing broods of Ring-necked Pheasant chicks down in the Coxsackie flats on numerous occasions back then.

But since they were not native and hence not so note-worthy, they went, most often, not noted. 

Now, at least, we can document their status that may eventually be useful. 

Rich Guthrie

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM John Kent <k2ent76@...> wrote:
Bull's Birds of New York State, published in 1974 and updated in 1998, says that Ring-necked Pheasant bred widely in the Great Lakes Plain, and to a somewhat lesser extent in the Hudson Valley and on Long Island. They declined severely in the 1940s, the recovered and reached a peak in the late 1960s. Since then, habitat loss and predation caused another decline. Starting around 1980, the state released many each year for hunting. The impact of the released birds on "wild" populations is negligible, as fewer than 5% survive to the following spring.

My understanding is that since this was written, they have been extirpated as breeders in the Hudson Valley.

John Kent

On 1/15/2021 9:05 AM, emberiza_tristrami wrote:
The difference is starlings aren't regularly restocked in the wild for hunting. It's not likely that pheasant populations would survive on their own in most, if not all of New York State without this intervention.

Tristan Lowery

On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 8:59 AM Tom Lake via <> wrote:
The Ring-necked Pheasant seems to be a sticker for some as to counting in CBCs.

We count Starlings. Is there a difference?

With fish we count carp.

With trees we count the London plane.

With reptiles we count Red-eared Sliders.

Am I missing something?

Tom Lake

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Our rule of thumb with pheasants on the NJ World Series of Birding was to hold a hand out toward it.  If the bird came toward you, don't count it; if it walked away, check it off.  Not terribly scientific!

Andy Mason

On 1/14/2021 6:33 PM, zach schwartz-weinstein wrote:
Well, all Ring-necked pheasants in North America are descendents of artificially introduced birds, but the species is established and countable in New York.  For ABA purposes, this pheasant is probably not countable because it can reasonably be separated from wild, naturally occurring members of its species due to its location at a release site.  However, it can and should still be reported to eBird, where researchers can specifically search for introduced and exotic birds.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 6:25 PM Jeffrey Schoonmaker <j.schoonmaker@...> wrote:
So, are we not allowed to "count" them?  I was pretty excited to see one.  I'm embarrassed if everyone knows they are artificially introduced and therefore nothing to get excited about.

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Well look what I found, this link shows that the pheasants are released in the Washington County State Forest, which I presume to be that trail on Blackhouse Rd as our hotspot holds that same name, for youth hunts:

I swear there used to be a release further up on Rt 41 in Kingsbury/Smith's Basin ages ago as well but that was word-of-mouth.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 5:51 PM zach schwartz-weinstein <zachsw@...> wrote:
I believe the state releases them there for hunters.  (Or so a ranger told me once when he saw me walking along the new trail and mistook my scope for a firearm.)

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 5:49 PM Jeffrey Schoonmaker <j.schoonmaker@...> wrote:
Found a Ring-necked Pheasant walking across the front lawn of house #323 on Blackhouse Rd. at the F. E. Grslnds at 3:27 p.m. today.
As of 4:35 p.m., no Short-eared Owls were showing up for the 10 car loads of hopeful folks waiting in the Plum Rd. Theater parking area.

Jeff Schoonmaker
Zach Schwartz-Weinstein
203 500 7774
Zach Schwartz-Weinstein
203 500 7774

Andrew Mason
13 Boylston St.
Oneonta, NY  13820
(607) 652-2162

Richard Guthrie

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