Tom, GM4FDM, thanks for the suggestion.  I adjusted PTT Tail Delay from zero to max in 50 ms jumps, but no joy.  I also, just because, adjusted PTT Lead Delay in the same jumps and found no change as expected.

The timing remains off when using CW Machine and as expected without the CW Machine.  I need to hold the dit paddle longer with the CW Machine than is needed with N1MM+, K1EL WinKeyer USB standalone or when operating directly from my K3.  

I have a new desktop computer, but had the same issues with my laptop.  It seems I'm doing something wrong somewhere but have not been able to understand the problem or cure it.

Thanks,

Rich

NU6T

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 2:25 AM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

Could you play with ptt tail delay???

Tom

GM4FDM

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, 01:35 Richard Hill, <nu6t.rich@...> wrote:

I'm struggling with CW paddle timing when CW Machine is engaged.  I'm using a K1EL WinKeyer USB set up as WinKey2 in the CW Machine.  When I send by hand, I'm missing final dits.  When CW Machine is off, my sending is smooth and my timing works.  My timing works when I'm using the K1EL standalone or when I'm using N1MM+ with the WinKey or just sending directly through my K3 radio.  Switch back to the CW Machine and I'm missing final dits.  If I deliberately hold the paddle longer, the dits play.  Close the CW Machine and my timing is fine.  This is driving me nuts, grin.

This is not a common problem, I'm sure.  I must have a setting wrong somewhere, but after reviewing the manual several times and playing with CW Machine config items, I don't know what I've done wrong.  I'm missing something important.

I've included an image of my CW Machine Configuration.  

Thanks for any help!

NU6T

--

Richard Hill

--

Richard Hill

On 03/09/2023 2:35 PM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

I have a slightly similar problem except that my problem is the leading character on TX is truncated.    I am running an SDR and use the CW machine in "software" mode, so I have very limited choice in setup.  I have tried to play with the PTT settings and breakin settings in the rig but it doesnt seem to make any difference.  If I slow the keyer down to 25wpm or less it seems OK, so obviously there is a slight timing problem, but dont know how to fix it.  My PC is a i7 processor with 16Gb RAM and running windows 10 and Logger 32.   I run Software Defined Connectors 64 bit which ha as part of the suite a routine called TCI (Transceiver Computer Interface).  This handles the PTT and audio (for digi modes) automatically.   SDC also has an inbuilt MACRO server.   If I use that, instead of the CW machine, the CW is perfect.   Not that I am promoting it but SDC has an inbuilt skimmer with 599 facility which allowed my to work Bouvet on second call,   also has a contest mode and other assorted goodies......

73

Tom

GM4FDM

On 09/03/2023 18:59, Richard Hill wrote:

Tom, GM4FDM, thanks for the suggestion.  I adjusted PTT Tail Delay from zero to max in 50 ms jumps, but no joy.  I also, just because, adjusted PTT Lead Delay in the same jumps and found no change as expected.

The timing remains off when using CW Machine and as expected without the CW Machine.  I need to hold the dit paddle longer with the CW Machine than is needed with N1MM+, K1EL WinKeyer USB standalone or when operating directly from my K3.  

I have a new desktop computer, but had the same issues with my laptop.  It seems I'm doing something wrong somewhere but have not been able to understand the problem or cure it.

Thanks,

Rich

NU6T

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 2:25 AM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

Could you play with ptt tail delay???

Tom

GM4FDM

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, 01:35 Richard Hill, <nu6t.rich@...> wrote:

I'm struggling with CW paddle timing when CW Machine is engaged.  I'm using a K1EL WinKeyer USB set up as WinKey2 in the CW Machine.  When I send by hand, I'm missing final dits.  When CW Machine is off, my sending is smooth and my timing works.  My timing works when I'm using the K1EL standalone or when I'm using N1MM+ with the WinKey or just sending directly through my K3 radio.  Switch back to the CW Machine and I'm missing final dits.  If I deliberately hold the paddle longer, the dits play.  Close the CW Machine and my timing is fine.  This is driving me nuts, grin.

This is not a common problem, I'm sure.  I must have a setting wrong somewhere, but after reviewing the manual several times and playing with CW Machine config items, I don't know what I've done wrong.  I'm missing something important.

I've included an image of my CW Machine Configuration.  

Thanks for any help!

NU6T

--

Richard Hill

--

Richard Hill

On 03/09/2023 6:44 PM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

See my previous message.  TCI handles ptt / cw / and audio, but i will try the *cq

73

Tom

GM4FDM

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, 22:31 Bob, <k4cy@...> wrote:

You said:  my problem is the leading character on TX is truncated

First I've heard of it. How are you turning the radio PTT on, by radio command or serial port? Have you tried temporarily modifying your macros (for example) from "CQ" to "*CQ" or even " CQ"? SeventyThree(s).

On 03/09/2023 2:35 PM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

I have a slightly similar problem except that my problem is the leading character on TX is truncated.    I am running an SDR and use the CW machine in "software" mode, so I have very limited choice in setup.  I have tried to play with the PTT settings and breakin settings in the rig but it doesnt seem to make any difference.  If I slow the keyer down to 25wpm or less it seems OK, so obviously there is a slight timing problem, but dont know how to fix it.  My PC is a i7 processor with 16Gb RAM and running windows 10 and Logger 32.   I run Software Defined Connectors 64 bit which ha as part of the suite a routine called TCI (Transceiver Computer Interface).  This handles the PTT and audio (for digi modes) automatically.   SDC also has an inbuilt MACRO server.   If I use that, instead of the CW machine, the CW is perfect.   Not that I am promoting it but SDC has an inbuilt skimmer with 599 facility which allowed my to work Bouvet on second call,   also has a contest mode and other assorted goodies......

73

Tom

GM4FDM

On 09/03/2023 18:59, Richard Hill wrote:

Tom, GM4FDM, thanks for the suggestion.  I adjusted PTT Tail Delay from zero to max in 50 ms jumps, but no joy.  I also, just because, adjusted PTT Lead Delay in the same jumps and found no change as expected.

The timing remains off when using CW Machine and as expected without the CW Machine.  I need to hold the dit paddle longer with the CW Machine than is needed with N1MM+, K1EL WinKeyer USB standalone or when operating directly from my K3.  

I have a new desktop computer, but had the same issues with my laptop.  It seems I'm doing something wrong somewhere but have not been able to understand the problem or cure it.

Thanks,

Rich

NU6T

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 2:25 AM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

Could you play with ptt tail delay???

Tom

GM4FDM

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, 01:35 Richard Hill, <nu6t.rich@...> wrote:

I'm struggling with CW paddle timing when CW Machine is engaged.  I'm using a K1EL WinKeyer USB set up as WinKey2 in the CW Machine.  When I send by hand, I'm missing final dits.  When CW Machine is off, my sending is smooth and my timing works.  My timing works when I'm using the K1EL standalone or when I'm using N1MM+ with the WinKey or just sending directly through my K3 radio.  Switch back to the CW Machine and I'm missing final dits.  If I deliberately hold the paddle longer, the dits play.  Close the CW Machine and my timing is fine.  This is driving me nuts, grin.

This is not a common problem, I'm sure.  I must have a setting wrong somewhere, but after reviewing the manual several times and playing with CW Machine config items, I don't know what I've done wrong.  I'm missing something important.

I've included an image of my CW Machine Configuration.  

Thanks for any help!

NU6T

--

Richard Hill

--

Richard Hill

On 03/09/2023 6:44 PM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

See my previous message.  TCI handles ptt / cw / and audio, but i will try the *cq

73

Tom

GM4FDM

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, 22:31 Bob, <k4cy@...> wrote:

You said:  my problem is the leading character on TX is truncated

First I've heard of it. How are you turning the radio PTT on, by radio command or serial port? Have you tried temporarily modifying your macros (for example) from "CQ" to "*CQ" or even " CQ"? SeventyThree(s).

On 03/09/2023 2:35 PM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

I have a slightly similar problem except that my problem is the leading character on TX is truncated.    I am running an SDR and use the CW machine in "software" mode, so I have very limited choice in setup.  I have tried to play with the PTT settings and breakin settings in the rig but it doesnt seem to make any difference.  If I slow the keyer down to 25wpm or less it seems OK, so obviously there is a slight timing problem, but dont know how to fix it.  My PC is a i7 processor with 16Gb RAM and running windows 10 and Logger 32.   I run Software Defined Connectors 64 bit which ha as part of the suite a routine called TCI (Transceiver Computer Interface).  This handles the PTT and audio (for digi modes) automatically.   SDC also has an inbuilt MACRO server.   If I use that, instead of the CW machine, the CW is perfect.   Not that I am promoting it but SDC has an inbuilt skimmer with 599 facility which allowed my to work Bouvet on second call,   also has a contest mode and other assorted goodies......

73

Tom

GM4FDM

On 09/03/2023 18:59, Richard Hill wrote:

Tom, GM4FDM, thanks for the suggestion.  I adjusted PTT Tail Delay from zero to max in 50 ms jumps, but no joy.  I also, just because, adjusted PTT Lead Delay in the same jumps and found no change as expected.

The timing remains off when using CW Machine and as expected without the CW Machine.  I need to hold the dit paddle longer with the CW Machine than is needed with N1MM+, K1EL WinKeyer USB standalone or when operating directly from my K3.  

I have a new desktop computer, but had the same issues with my laptop.  It seems I'm doing something wrong somewhere but have not been able to understand the problem or cure it.

Thanks,

Rich

NU6T

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 2:25 AM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

Could you play with ptt tail delay???

Tom

GM4FDM

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, 01:35 Richard Hill, <nu6t.rich@...> wrote:

I'm struggling with CW paddle timing when CW Machine is engaged.  I'm using a K1EL WinKeyer USB set up as WinKey2 in the CW Machine.  When I send by hand, I'm missing final dits.  When CW Machine is off, my sending is smooth and my timing works.  My timing works when I'm using the K1EL standalone or when I'm using N1MM+ with the WinKey or just sending directly through my K3 radio.  Switch back to the CW Machine and I'm missing final dits.  If I deliberately hold the paddle longer, the dits play.  Close the CW Machine and my timing is fine.  This is driving me nuts, grin.

This is not a common problem, I'm sure.  I must have a setting wrong somewhere, but after reviewing the manual several times and playing with CW Machine config items, I don't know what I've done wrong.  I'm missing something important.

I've included an image of my CW Machine Configuration.  

Thanks for any help!

NU6T

--

Richard Hill

--

Richard Hill

On 03/09/2023 7:41 PM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

Hi Bob, well if you dont want to know about TCI i cant really explain.   If you are interested you need to google Yuri UT4LW.  On his web page at www.lw-sdc.com.      SDC = Software Defined Connectors.
Yuri has written a suite of software which includes TCI - transmitter control interface.   Basically this connects anything to anything.   I run this software between my sdr and my logger - logger32.   If an associated program has the tci protocol embedded there is not need for com ports or ptt, its all taken care of on the fly.  However, logger32 does not include the tci protocol and so i have to run a seperate piece of software ( which is included with the software for my sdr) called radiosync.   This allows me to set up a com port to communicate with logger 32.   It handles CAT and PTT etc.  It allows seamless logging of QSOs in digi and rtty etc.

For contesting i run seperate software which has TCI control and which outputs an ADIF which i import into my station logger - logger32.

At speeds up to about 25wpm the cw machine in logger32 is fine and i use it a lot to send free typing cw as well as the presets, however at speeds above 25wpm it randomly misses a character in the first letter of my call.   I do not have a winkeyer and have set up cw machine under the software tab, using the radio com port

SDC has many inclusive features including a macro server which can be programmed for cw, ssb and rtty.   This sends beautiful cw via the tci protocol.

I know you are really only interested in your own software and i cant criticize you for that, but at least have a look at SDC/TCI you might just find it interesting.

Tom
GM4FDM

On 10 March 2023, at 00:07, Bob <k4cy@...> wrote:

Yes, I read you previous message (or I wouldn't have responded). I have no idea what a TCI is (and I'm not asking). 

I just tested the CW Machine with TX delay set to 100ms and sent "CQ" with no truncation of the C. I'm obviously missing something. Please school me. SeventyThree(s).

On 03/09/2023 6:44 PM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

See my previous message.  TCI handles ptt / cw / and audio, but i will try the *cq

73

Tom

GM4FDM

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, 22:31 Bob, <k4cy@...> wrote:

You said:  my problem is the leading character on TX is truncated

First I've heard of it. How are you turning the radio PTT on, by radio command or serial port? Have you tried temporarily modifying your macros (for example) from "CQ" to "*CQ" or even " CQ"? SeventyThree(s).

On 03/09/2023 2:35 PM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

I have a slightly similar problem except that my problem is the leading character on TX is truncated.    I am running an SDR and use the CW machine in "software" mode, so I have very limited choice in setup.  I have tried to play with the PTT settings and breakin settings in the rig but it doesnt seem to make any difference.  If I slow the keyer down to 25wpm or less it seems OK, so obviously there is a slight timing problem, but dont know how to fix it.  My PC is a i7 processor with 16Gb RAM and running windows 10 and Logger 32.   I run Software Defined Connectors 64 bit which ha as part of the suite a routine called TCI (Transceiver Computer Interface).  This handles the PTT and audio (for digi modes) automatically.   SDC also has an inbuilt MACRO server.   If I use that, instead of the CW machine, the CW is perfect.   Not that I am promoting it but SDC has an inbuilt skimmer with 599 facility which allowed my to work Bouvet on second call,   also has a contest mode and other assorted goodies......

73

Tom

GM4FDM

On 09/03/2023 18:59, Richard Hill wrote:

Tom, GM4FDM, thanks for the suggestion.  I adjusted PTT Tail Delay from zero to max in 50 ms jumps, but no joy.  I also, just because, adjusted PTT Lead Delay in the same jumps and found no change as expected.

The timing remains off when using CW Machine and as expected without the CW Machine.  I need to hold the dit paddle longer with the CW Machine than is needed with N1MM+, K1EL WinKeyer USB standalone or when operating directly from my K3.  

I have a new desktop computer, but had the same issues with my laptop.  It seems I'm doing something wrong somewhere but have not been able to understand the problem or cure it.

Thanks,

Rich

NU6T

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 2:25 AM Tom Wylie <thomasgwylie@...> wrote:

Could you play with ptt tail delay???

Tom

GM4FDM

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023, 01:35 Richard Hill, <nu6t.rich@...> wrote:

I'm struggling with CW paddle timing when CW Machine is engaged.  I'm using a K1EL WinKeyer USB set up as WinKey2 in the CW Machine.  When I send by hand, I'm missing final dits.  When CW Machine is off, my sending is smooth and my timing works.  My timing works when I'm using the K1EL standalone or when I'm using N1MM+ with the WinKey or just sending directly through my K3 radio.  Switch back to the CW Machine and I'm missing final dits.  If I deliberately hold the paddle longer, the dits play.  Close the CW Machine and my timing is fine.  This is driving me nuts, grin.

This is not a common problem, I'm sure.  I must have a setting wrong somewhere, but after reviewing the manual several times and playing with CW Machine config items, I don't know what I've done wrong.  I'm missing something important.

I've included an image of my CW Machine Configuration.  

Thanks for any help!

NU6T

--

Richard Hill

--

Richard Hill