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A can of worms?


Bob
 

As you may, or may not, have noticed, a new Logger32 auto-update is on-line to support the latest 3.1.1 spec. This includes a new MFSK submode, something called FST4.

Personally, I'm disappointed, I was was very much looking forward to the evolution to continue from FT8 to FT4 with the release of FT2. D isappointed as I may be, I do have an enquiring mind (I read the tabloids at the grocery store checkout to see how many times Elvis has been spotted at a 7-11 this week, or how many people, with only one name of course, have been impregnated by aliens this week). So, what is FST4?

Google to the rescue. Apparently there are actually a blizzard of sub-submodes of MFSK. To name a few - FST4W-120A, FST4W-300A, FST4W-900A, FST4W-1800A, FST4-120A, FST4-300A, FST415A, FST4-30B, FST4-30C, FST4-30D, FST4-120B, FST4-120C, FST4-300C, and FST4-300D.

Is this really what the ADIF meisters unanimously signed up for? The mind boggles. SeventyThree(s)


Rick Ellison
 

This was discussed in the ADIF-Devs group. The WSJT team first approached the LOTW management about adding the mode and  has only requested FST2 which will encapsulate all of the other 16 different modes. All of them will be called FST2. One of the LOTW developers came to the adif group to get things moving on it. I was the one that questioned this as it was being requested as one mode and there is actually 16. So it was approved as one mode only..

 

73 Rick N2AMG

 

From: hamlogger@groups.io [mailto:hamlogger@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 7:34 PM
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Subject: [hamlogger] A can of worms?

 

As you may, or may not, have noticed, a new Logger32 auto-update is on-line to support the latest 3.1.1 spec. This includes a new MFSK submode, something called FST4.

 

Personally, I'm disappointed, I was was very much looking forward to the evolution to continue from FT8 to FT4 with the release of FT2. D isappointed as I may be, I do have an enquiring mind (I read the tabloids at the grocery store checkout to see how many times Elvis has been spotted at a 7-11 this week, or how many people, with only one name of course, have been impregnated by aliens this week). So, what is FST4?

 

Google to the rescue. Apparently there are actually a blizzard of sub-submodes of MFSK. To name a few - FST4W-120A, FST4W-300A, FST4W-900A, FST4W-1800A, FST4-120A, FST4-300A, FST415A, FST4-30B, FST4-30C, FST4-30D, FST4-120B, FST4-120C, FST4-300C, and FST4-300D.

 

Is this really what the ADIF meisters unanimously signed up for? The mind boggles. SeventyThree(s)


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Rick Ellison
 

Opps typo FST4 not 2

 

From: hamlogger@groups.io [mailto:hamlogger@groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Ellison
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 10:44 PM
To: hamlogger@groups.io
Subject: Re: [hamlogger] A can of worms?

 

This was discussed in the ADIF-Devs group. The WSJT team first approached the LOTW management about adding the mode and  has only requested FST2 which will encapsulate all of the other 16 different modes. All of them will be called FST2. One of the LOTW developers came to the adif group to get things moving on it. I was the one that questioned this as it was being requested as one mode and there is actually 16. So it was approved as one mode only..

 

73 Rick N2AMG

 

From: hamlogger@groups.io [mailto:hamlogger@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 7:34 PM
To: hamlogger@groups.io
Subject: [hamlogger] A can of worms?

 

As you may, or may not, have noticed, a new Logger32 auto-update is on-line to support the latest 3.1.1 spec. This includes a new MFSK submode, something called FST4.

 

Personally, I'm disappointed, I was was very much looking forward to the evolution to continue from FT8 to FT4 with the release of FT2. D isappointed as I may be, I do have an enquiring mind (I read the tabloids at the grocery store checkout to see how many times Elvis has been spotted at a 7-11 this week, or how many people, with only one name of course, have been impregnated by aliens this week). So, what is FST4?

 

Google to the rescue. Apparently there are actually a blizzard of sub-submodes of MFSK. To name a few - FST4W-120A, FST4W-300A, FST4W-900A, FST4W-1800A, FST4-120A, FST4-300A, FST415A, FST4-30B, FST4-30C, FST4-30D, FST4-120B, FST4-120C, FST4-300C, and FST4-300D.

 

Is this really what the ADIF meisters unanimously signed up for? The mind boggles. SeventyThree(s)

 

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KX2A
 

Bob,

Sounds interesting to me.  I would love to find out more about FSTing.

73,

Jan, KX2A


Mike
 

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:10 PM, KX2A wrote:
Sounds interesting to me.  I would love to find out more about FSTing.
As google claims that lotsa lube is needed and goes smooth.
Mike


Rick Ellison
 

It is being beta tested for an upcoming release of WSJTX.

73 Rick N2AMG

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Bob,

Sounds interesting to me. I would love to find out more about FSTing.

73,

Jan, KX2A





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Graham G3ZOD
 

Save the sarcasm for the ARRL and K1JT and take it up with them if it is unsatisfactory.

"The current beta version of WSJT-X (2.3.0) includes a new mode, FST4.  ARRL has been discussing this release with K1JT, who has agreed to use "MODE=MFSK, SUBMODE=FST4" for QSOs using that new encoding scheme."

73 de  Graham G3ZOD


Bob
 

Graham, you are a subscriber to this lowly reflector? We're honored/humbled with your interest/presence. Your words of wisdom are appreciated.

A couple of weeks ago I was (anonymously) made aware of the ARRL/LoTW representation to the the ADIF Meisters to include FST4 as a new MFSK submode. My reply to my source is unprintable Sir, don't shoot the messenger. I call it like I see it. No hidden agenda.

The ADIF meisters decree a new submode for MFSK. So be it. Logger32 (as pathetic as it is) now accepts FST4 as an MFSK submode.

Who am I supposed to question about this very questionable mandate? Those that promulgate the directive, (or those that with their heads up their ass) that pressured (because of their totally undeserving omnipotence} you to do it?

Graham, call me out if you like, I have no problem with that, but to hide behind the wishes of the ARRL/LoTW for your decrees/mandates is not acceptable.

Once again you (and your merry men) blew it. Admit it. SeventryThree(s)







On 09/05/2020 8:35 PM Graham G3ZOD <g3zodna@...> wrote:


Save the sarcasm for the ARRL and K1JT and take it up with them if it is unsatisfactory.

"The current beta version of WSJT-X (2.3.0) includes a new mode, FST4.  ARRL has been discussing this release with K1JT, who has agreed to use "MODE=MFSK, SUBMODE=FST4" for QSOs using that new encoding scheme."

73 de  Graham G3ZOD


Graham G3ZOD
 

Referring back to your original post, I'm not clear what the objection is although I think it's likely that FST4 shouldn't have been added at all to the specification.

73 de Graham G3ZOD


Bob
 

Graham, I have no objection to FST4 being added as an MFSK submode. However, I think you (collectively) have opened a can of worms and there will be much weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, and tearing of hair when FST4 hits the streets, and users of logging programs discover the ADIF specification does not accommodate each and every variety of FST4. Time will tell. SeventyThree(s).

On 09/06/2020 1:31 PM Graham G3ZOD <g3zodna@...> wrote:


Referring back to your original post, I'm not clear what the objection is although I think it's likely that FST4 shouldn't have been added at all to the specification.

73 de Graham G3ZOD