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DamianM0BKV
I have only learned how to use the Scratchpad to run a net today. I tried it for Worked All Britain collecting WAB Ordnance Survey squares. The Logged in operators can be placed on a list in the scratchpad and called in in the order they called into the net. The net controller can log them as contacts into his personnel log also (my log if I'm in the chair) at the time signal reports are exchanged. Would it be possible to have a means of moving the callsigns on the list up and down so as to move them in the correct order? Mobile stations take preference and one of the operators may take over as controller and so move to the top.  Would be good if I could move G1PIE up to the top of the list if he took over control and G4ICP/P is portable and would be a priority so needs to be in 2nd position. It works well anyway and is a great way to control a net. 73 de Damian
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Using the picture you sent, I see that G1PIE is the currently selected station. I'm sure you've figured out that (with the focus on the Scratchpad) Ctrl+UpArrow selects G0BFJ and Ctrl+DnArrow would select ON3RMB.
Want me try Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow to swap G1PIE and G0BFJ rows? G1PIE would remain the selected station so that Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow would move G1PIE above G0FGI.
I looked at using the mouse to simply grab any row an drop it wherever. Unfortunately left mouse events are already used.
Your thoughts on the ergonomics of how to implement? SeventyThree(s).
On 12/05/2022 9:22 AM DamianM0BKV via groups.io <kammdp@...> wrote:
I have only learned how to use the Scratchpad to run a net today. I tried it for Worked All Britain collecting WAB Ordnance Survey squares. The Logged in operators can be placed on a list in the scratchpad and called in in the order they called into the net. The net controller can log them as contacts into his personnel log also (my log if I'm in the chair) at the time signal reports are exchanged.
Would it be possible to have a means of moving the callsigns on the list up and down so as to move them in the correct order? Mobile stations take preference and one of the operators may take over as controller and so move to the top.
Would be good if I could move G1PIE up to the top of the list if he took over control and G4ICP/P is portable and would be a priority so needs to be in 2nd position.
It works well anyway and is a great way to control a net.
73 de Damian
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More on the Scratchpad hotkeys.
In addition to the Up/Dn arrows (with or without Ctrl pressed) selecting the previous/next callsign in the scratchpad, I looked through the code and see I implemented the following:
Ctrl+Esc to move the focus back to the logbook entry window. When I tested this, I see that under Win 10 this is the same as typing the Windows key on the keyboard. So, for the next auto-update Esc will move the focus to the Logbook Entry Window.
Ctrl+C to clear the Logbook Entry Window and move the selected callsign to the Logbook Entry Window. The Clear/Swap menu.
Ctrl+D to delete the selected callsign from the Scratchpad. The popup menu to Delete.
Ctrl+E to edit the selected callsign row. The popup menu to Edit.
Ctrl+L to log the QSO in the Logbookentry Window and move the selected callsign to the Logbookentry Window. The Log/Swap menu.
Ctrl+R to reset columns to their default settings. The Setup | Reset menu.
Ctrl +X to swap the current callsign with the Logbook Entry Window. The Swap menu.
Or something like that. SeventyThree(s).
On 12/05/2022 1:12 PM Bob <k4cy@...> wrote:
Using the picture you sent, I see that G1PIE is the currently selected station. I'm sure you've figured out that (with the focus on the Scratchpad) Ctrl+UpArrow selects G0BFJ and Ctrl+DnArrow would select ON3RMB.
Want me try Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow to swap G1PIE and G0BFJ rows? G1PIE would remain the selected station so that Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow would move G1PIE above G0FGI.
I looked at using the mouse to simply grab any row an drop it wherever. Unfortunately left mouse events are already used.
Your thoughts on the ergonomics of how to implement? SeventyThree(s).
On 12/05/2022 9:22 AM DamianM0BKV via groups.io <kammdp@...> wrote:
I have only learned how to use the Scratchpad to run a net today. I tried it for Worked All Britain collecting WAB Ordnance Survey squares. The Logged in operators can be placed on a list in the scratchpad and called in in the order they called into the net. The net controller can log them as contacts into his personnel log also (my log if I'm in the chair) at the time signal reports are exchanged.
Would it be possible to have a means of moving the callsigns on the list up and down so as to move them in the correct order? Mobile stations take preference and one of the operators may take over as controller and so move to the top.
Would be good if I could move G1PIE up to the top of the list if he took over control and G4ICP/P is portable and would be a priority so needs to be in 2nd position.
It works well anyway and is a great way to control a net.
73 de Damian
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Roger Cooke
Hi Bob.
I have only just found
out about Scratchpad ( I should adopt the RTFM technique of
course! 😅 ) I tried it last evening in our local CW net.
There were 7 in the net and it was good to see them listed in
Scratchpad. However, after the net finished I had to clear
that window before I could close the program. Is there
another facility you could add to it to enable ALL those calls
in Scratchpad to be appended or attached to the main log
window still having one call as the main Net Controller?
The we would be able to
look at that QSO again and see exactly who was in the net.
73 de Roger, G3LDI
On 06/12/2022 09:43, Bob wrote:
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More on the Scratchpad hotkeys.
In addition
to the Up/Dn arrows (with or without Ctrl pressed) selecting
the previous/next callsign in the scratchpad, I looked through
the code and see I implemented the following:
Ctrl+Esc
to move the focus back to the logbook entry window. When I
tested this, I see that under Win 10 this is the same as
typing the Windows key on the keyboard. So, for the next
auto-update Esc will move the focus to the Logbook Entry
Window.
Ctrl+C
to clear the Logbook Entry Window and move the selected
callsign to the Logbook Entry Window. The Clear/Swap menu.
Ctrl+D
to delete the selected callsign from the Scratchpad. The popup
menu to Delete.
Ctrl+E
to edit the selected callsign row. The popup menu to Edit.
Ctrl+L
to log the QSO in the Logbookentry Window and move the
selected callsign to the Logbookentry Window. The Log/Swap
menu.
Ctrl+R
to reset columns to their default settings. The Setup | Reset
menu.
Ctrl
+X to swap the current callsign with the Logbook
Entry Window. The Swap menu.
Or something
like that. SeventyThree(s).
Using the picture you sent, I
see that G1PIE is the currently selected station. I'm sure
you've figured out that (with the focus on the Scratchpad)
Ctrl+UpArrow selects G0BFJ and Ctrl+DnArrow would select
ON3RMB.
Want me try
Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow to swap G1PIE and G0BFJ rows? G1PIE would
remain the selected station so that Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow would
move G1PIE above G0FGI.
I looked at
using the mouse to simply grab any row an drop it wherever.
Unfortunately left mouse events are already used.
Your
thoughts on the ergonomics of how to implement?
SeventyThree(s).
On 12/05/2022 9:22 AM DamianM0BKV via groups.io
<kammdp@...> wrote:
I have only learned how to use the Scratchpad to run a net
today. I tried it for Worked All Britain collecting WAB
Ordnance Survey squares. The Logged in operators can be placed
on a list in the scratchpad and called in in the order they
called into the net. The net controller can log them as
contacts into his personnel log also (my log if I'm in the
chair) at the time signal reports are exchanged.
Would it be possible to have a means of moving the callsigns
on the list up and down so as to move them in the correct
order? Mobile stations take preference and one of the
operators may take over as controller and so move to the top.
Would be good if I could move G1PIE up to the top of the list
if he took over control and G4ICP/P is portable and would be a
priority so needs to be in 2nd position.
It works well anyway and is a great way to control a net.
73 de Damian
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I suspect there are more than enough menus and keyboard options to do almost anything you want. Let your fingers do the walking. I'm sure the stations on your net went SK one at a time, they could have been logged and removed from the scratchpad as each did so. When you went SK (if you weren't the last to do so) you can tap a couple of keys (or a few mouse clicks) and those remaining would be logged and removed.
I have studiously avoided any kind of batch database functions in Logger32. Experience has shown that they are immediately followed by requests for a matching undo function. This is Ham Radio. After listening to 'The Radio Ham' (courtesy of Hancocks half hour) do you you still feel like the sharpest knife in the drawer?
SeventyThree(s).
On 12/06/2022 5:00 AM Roger Cooke <roger@...> wrote:
Hi Bob.
I have only just found out about Scratchpad ( I should adopt the RTFM technique of course! 😅 ) I tried it last evening in our local CW net. There were 7 in the net and it was good to see them listed in Scratchpad. However, after the net finished I had to clear that window before I could close the program. Is there another facility you could add to it to enable ALL those calls in Scratchpad to be appended or attached to the main log window still having one call as the main Net Controller?
The we would be able to look at that QSO again and see exactly who was in the net.
73 de Roger, G3LDI
On 06/12/2022 09:43, Bob wrote:
More on the Scratchpad hotkeys.
In addition to the Up/Dn arrows (with or without Ctrl pressed) selecting the previous/next callsign in the scratchpad, I looked through the code and see I implemented the following:
Ctrl+Esc to move the focus back to the logbook entry window. When I tested this, I see that under Win 10 this is the same as typing the Windows key on the keyboard. So, for the next auto-update Esc will move the focus to the Logbook Entry Window.
Ctrl+C to clear the Logbook Entry Window and move the selected callsign to the Logbook Entry Window. The Clear/Swap menu.
Ctrl+D to delete the selected callsign from the Scratchpad. The popup menu to Delete.
Ctrl+E to edit the selected callsign row. The popup menu to Edit.
Ctrl+L to log the QSO in the Logbookentry Window and move the selected callsign to the Logbookentry Window. The Log/Swap menu.
Ctrl+R to reset columns to their default settings. The Setup | Reset menu.
Ctrl +X to swap the current callsign with the Logbook Entry Window. The Swap menu.
Or something like that. SeventyThree(s).
Using the picture you sent, I see that G1PIE is the currently selected station. I'm sure you've figured out that (with the focus on the Scratchpad) Ctrl+UpArrow selects G0BFJ and Ctrl+DnArrow would select ON3RMB.
Want me try Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow to swap G1PIE and G0BFJ rows? G1PIE would remain the selected station so that Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow would move G1PIE above G0FGI.
I looked at using the mouse to simply grab any row an drop it wherever. Unfortunately left mouse events are already used.
Your thoughts on the ergonomics of how to implement? SeventyThree(s).
On 12/05/2022 9:22 AM DamianM0BKV via groups.io <kammdp@...> wrote:
I have only learned how to use the Scratchpad to run a net today. I tried it for Worked All Britain collecting WAB Ordnance Survey squares. The Logged in operators can be placed on a list in the scratchpad and called in in the order they called into the net. The net controller can log them as contacts into his personnel log also (my log if I'm in the chair) at the time signal reports are exchanged.
Would it be possible to have a means of moving the callsigns on the list up and down so as to move them in the correct order? Mobile stations take preference and one of the operators may take over as controller and so move to the top.
Would be good if I could move G1PIE up to the top of the list if he took over control and G4ICP/P is portable and would be a priority so needs to be in 2nd position.
It works well anyway and is a great way to control a net.
73 de Damian
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A true/valid perspective of Ham Radio. SeventyThree(s).
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On 12/06/2022 6:53 AM Bob <k4cy@...> wrote:
I suspect there are more than enough menus and keyboard options to do almost anything you want. Let your fingers do the walking. I'm sure the stations on your net went SK one at a time, they could have been logged and removed from the scratchpad as each did so. When you went SK (if you weren't the last to do so) you can tap a couple of keys (or a few mouse clicks) and those remaining would be logged and removed.
I have studiously avoided any kind of batch database functions in Logger32. Experience has shown that they are immediately followed by requests for a matching undo function. This is Ham Radio. After listening to 'The Radio Ham' (courtesy of Hancocks half hour) do you you still feel like the sharpest knife in the drawer?
SeventyThree(s).
On 12/06/2022 5:00 AM Roger Cooke <roger@...> wrote:
Hi Bob.
I have only just found out about Scratchpad ( I should adopt the RTFM technique of course! 😅 ) I tried it last evening in our local CW net. There were 7 in the net and it was good to see them listed in Scratchpad. However, after the net finished I had to clear that window before I could close the program. Is there another facility you could add to it to enable ALL those calls in Scratchpad to be appended or attached to the main log window still having one call as the main Net Controller?
The we would be able to look at that QSO again and see exactly who was in the net.
73 de Roger, G3LDI
On 06/12/2022 09:43, Bob wrote:
More on the Scratchpad hotkeys.
In addition to the Up/Dn arrows (with or without Ctrl pressed) selecting the previous/next callsign in the scratchpad, I looked through the code and see I implemented the following:
Ctrl+Esc to move the focus back to the logbook entry window. When I tested this, I see that under Win 10 this is the same as typing the Windows key on the keyboard. So, for the next auto-update Esc will move the focus to the Logbook Entry Window.
Ctrl+C to clear the Logbook Entry Window and move the selected callsign to the Logbook Entry Window. The Clear/Swap menu.
Ctrl+D to delete the selected callsign from the Scratchpad. The popup menu to Delete.
Ctrl+E to edit the selected callsign row. The popup menu to Edit.
Ctrl+L to log the QSO in the Logbookentry Window and move the selected callsign to the Logbookentry Window. The Log/Swap menu.
Ctrl+R to reset columns to their default settings. The Setup | Reset menu.
Ctrl +X to swap the current callsign with the Logbook Entry Window. The Swap menu.
Or something like that. SeventyThree(s).
Using the picture you sent, I see that G1PIE is the currently selected station. I'm sure you've figured out that (with the focus on the Scratchpad) Ctrl+UpArrow selects G0BFJ and Ctrl+DnArrow would select ON3RMB.
Want me try Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow to swap G1PIE and G0BFJ rows? G1PIE would remain the selected station so that Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow would move G1PIE above G0FGI.
I looked at using the mouse to simply grab any row an drop it wherever. Unfortunately left mouse events are already used.
Your thoughts on the ergonomics of how to implement? SeventyThree(s).
On 12/05/2022 9:22 AM DamianM0BKV via groups.io <kammdp@...> wrote:
I have only learned how to use the Scratchpad to run a net today. I tried it for Worked All Britain collecting WAB Ordnance Survey squares. The Logged in operators can be placed on a list in the scratchpad and called in in the order they called into the net. The net controller can log them as contacts into his personnel log also (my log if I'm in the chair) at the time signal reports are exchanged.
Would it be possible to have a means of moving the callsigns on the list up and down so as to move them in the correct order? Mobile stations take preference and one of the operators may take over as controller and so move to the top.
Would be good if I could move G1PIE up to the top of the list if he took over control and G4ICP/P is portable and would be a priority so needs to be in 2nd position.
It works well anyway and is a great way to control a net.
73 de Damian
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That sketch is infamous among UK amateurs
especially those of us who are old enough to have seen it in its
original broadcast (and repeats).
73 David G3YYD
On 06/12/2022 12:01, Bob wrote:
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A true/valid
perspective of Ham Radio. SeventyThree(s).
I suspect there are more than
enough menus and keyboard options to do almost anything you
want. Let your fingers do the walking. I'm sure the stations
on your net went SK one at a time, they could have been
logged and removed from the scratchpad as each did so. When
you went SK (if you weren't the last to do so) you can tap a
couple of keys (or a few mouse clicks) and those remaining
would be logged and removed.
I have
studiously avoided any kind of batch database functions in
Logger32. Experience has shown that they are immediately
followed by requests for a matching undo function. This is
Ham Radio. After listening to 'The Radio Ham' (courtesy of
Hancocks half hour) do you you still feel like the sharpest
knife in the drawer?
SeventyThree(s).
Hi Bob.
I have only just found out about
Scratchpad ( I should adopt the RTFM technique of
course! 😅 ) I tried it last evening in our local CW
net. There were 7 in the net and it was good to see them
listed in Scratchpad. However, after the net finished I
had to clear that window before I could close the
program. Is there another facility you could add to
it to enable ALL those calls in Scratchpad to be
appended or attached to the main log window still having
one call as the main Net Controller?
The we would be able to look at that QSO
again and see exactly who was in the net.
73 de Roger, G3LDI
On 06/12/2022 09:43, Bob wrote:
More on the Scratchpad
hotkeys.
In
addition to the Up/Dn arrows (with or without Ctrl
pressed) selecting the previous/next callsign in the
scratchpad, I looked through the code and see I
implemented the following:
Ctrl+Esc
to move the focus back to the logbook entry window. When
I tested this, I see that under Win 10 this is the same
as typing the Windows key on the keyboard. So, for the
next auto-update Esc will move the focus to the Logbook
Entry Window.
Ctrl+C
to clear the Logbook Entry Window and move the selected
callsign to the Logbook Entry Window. The Clear/Swap
menu.
Ctrl+D
to delete the selected callsign from the Scratchpad. The
popup menu to Delete.
Ctrl+E
to edit the selected callsign row. The popup menu to
Edit.
Ctrl+L
to log the QSO in the Logbookentry Window and move the
selected callsign to the Logbookentry Window. The
Log/Swap menu.
Ctrl+R
to reset columns to their default settings. The Setup |
Reset menu.
Ctrl
+X to swap the current callsign with the
Logbook Entry Window. The Swap menu.
Or
something like that. SeventyThree(s).
Using
the picture you sent, I see that G1PIE is the
currently selected station. I'm sure you've figured
out that (with the focus on the Scratchpad)
Ctrl+UpArrow selects G0BFJ and Ctrl+DnArrow would
select ON3RMB.
Want me try Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow to swap
G1PIE and G0BFJ rows? G1PIE would remain the selected
station so that Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow would move G1PIE
above G0FGI.
I looked at using the mouse to
simply grab any row an drop it wherever. Unfortunately
left mouse events are already used.
Your thoughts on the ergonomics of
how to implement? SeventyThree(s).
On 12/05/2022 9:22 AM DamianM0BKV via groups.io <kammdp@...>
wrote:
I have only learned how to use the Scratchpad to run a
net today. I tried it for Worked All Britain collecting
WAB Ordnance Survey squares. The Logged in operators can
be placed on a list in the scratchpad and called in in
the order they called into the net. The net controller
can log them as contacts into his personnel log also (my
log if I'm in the chair) at the time signal reports are
exchanged.
Would it be possible to have a means of moving the
callsigns on the list up and down so as to move them in
the correct order? Mobile stations take preference and
one of the operators may take over as controller and so
move to the top.
Would be good if I could move G1PIE up to the top of the
list if he took over control and G4ICP/P is portable and
would be a priority so needs to be in 2nd position.
It works well anyway and is a great way to control a
net.
73 de Damian
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Hi Damian/Bob
Great idea I have been using Logger32 for many years and have
never investigated the “Scratchpad”. (OK RTFM HI)
Since I saw your email I have been having a close look.
I thought perhaps we could use the Serial Number (STX) field and
set it to 001 every morning as the net starts and give control 001 BUT the STX
field is not one of the fields that can be incorporated into the Scratchpad
display.
In my Logbook Entry Window I have a Serial field mapped to the STX
field which I normal use a simple contest serial number tracker but it does not
appear as an option in the Scratchpad -> Setup -> Appearance
A sort facility would be nice but that’s a big ask.
73
Dave
GM4NFI
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[mailto:hamlogger@groups.io] On Behalf Of DamianM0BKV via groups.io
Sent: 05 December 2022 14:23
To: hamlogger@groups.io
Subject: [hamlogger] Scratchpad for Nets
I have only learned how to use the Scratchpad to run a net
today. I tried it for Worked All Britain collecting WAB Ordnance Survey
squares. The Logged in operators can be placed on a list in the scratchpad and
called in in the order they called into the net. The net controller can log
them as contacts into his personnel log also (my log if I'm in the chair) at
the time signal reports are exchanged.
Would it be possible to have a means of moving the callsigns on the list up and
down so as to move them in the correct order? Mobile stations take
preference and one of the operators may take over as controller and so move to
the top.
Would be good if I could move G1PIE up to the top of the list if he took over
control and G4ICP/P is portable and would be a priority so needs to be in 2nd
position.
It works well anyway and is a great way to control a net.
73 de Damian
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DamianM0BKV
Bob using Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow and DownArrow to move the selected station up and down would be ideal. That would mean any station can be positioned anywhere in the list including moving dx stations that appear from the dxcluster periodically out of the way to the bottom.
BTW I haven't got Ctrl+UpArrow, or DownArrow changing the selected station (the focus is definitely on the Scratchpad) ALSO Ctrl+Esc etc doesn't do anything when the focus is on the Scratchpad, Ctrl+X does do a Swap when the focus is on the Logbook Entry Window but not when the focus is on the Scratchpad. I'm using Windows 10. I will try it on my other PC later.
73 Damian
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For the Scratchpad hotkeys to work in the current release you need the focus on the Scratchpad window AND the setup option to add callsigns directly on the scratchpad turned off. This restriction has been removed for v4.0.300 (the bluebird release).
The Alt+Up/DnArrow hotkey does not move the callsign Up/Dn on row. It simply selects the previous/next callsign. It can not be used for re-ordering the callsigns listed.
SeventyThree(s).
On 12/06/2022 9:05 AM DamianM0BKV via groups.io <kammdp@...> wrote:
Bob using Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow and DownArrow to move the selected station up and down would be ideal. That would mean any station can be positioned anywhere in the list including moving dx stations that appear from the dxcluster periodically out of the way to the bottom.
BTW I haven't got Ctrl+UpArrow, or DownArrow changing the selected station (the focus is definitely on the Scratchpad) ALSO Ctrl+Esc etc doesn't do anything when the focus is on the Scratchpad, Ctrl+X does do a Swap when the focus is on the Logbook Entry Window but not when the focus is on the Scratchpad. I'm using Windows 10. I will try it on my other PC later.
73 Damian
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DamianM0BKV
OK yes, it works with the 'Add callsigns directly' turned off. My mistake.
You said earlier 'Want me try Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow to swap G1PIE and G0BFJ rows? G1PIE would remain the selected station so that Ctrl+Alt+UpArrow would move G1PIE above G0FGI' I thought that would move G1PIE up 1 row so, as it remains highlighted, doing it a number of times eventually moves it to the top. 73
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