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Locked FT8 on 60 meters
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WT4W
First off I've got my FTDX10 working perfectly in conjunction with WSJT-X on all the 'normal' bands. However, when I select the appropriate memory channel for 60 meters I immediately get a 'rig control' error.
In WSJT-X I tried setting mode to 'none' and split to 'none' with no change. I've done some testing and found that if I set rig to FT-991 in WSJT-X I can transmit one time and then the rig switches to VFO-A and it won't transmit any more. If I set the rig to FTDX9000 it will transmit one time and then I get the 'rig control' error. No other rig selections will do anything other than 'rig control' error. I'm getting the impression that I'm going to have to be patient until either the WSJT-X software is updated or else Yaesu updates their firmware again. Has anyone else gotten their FTDX10 to do FT8 on 60 meters? |
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Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...>
Unfortunately you can not use computer control on 60 meters. If your software tries to set the rig into any mode it won't work. This assumes you have a stock radio. (If you have the MARS mod, everything will be OK.) On 60, therefore, you need to disable computer command/control, use SSB mode, set the SSB input to Rear port, etc. This is the one example where the new Preset function will help. Gary K3OS
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From: WT4W@...
Sent: 4/29/2021 8:16:21 AM
Subject: [ftdx-10] FT8 on 60 meters First off I've got my FTDX10 working perfectly in conjunction with WSJT-X on all the 'normal' bands. However, when I select the appropriate memory channel for 60 meters I immediately get a 'rig control' error. |
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WT4W
I've been through all of that, I don't think I've missed anything but it's certainly possible.
In WSJT-X : I've tried with mode set to both "none" and "USB". I've tried split set to both "none" and "fake it". In the radio: Under SSB mode I've set source to "rear" Rear Select - "USB" RPTT Select - I've tried all 3 choices (DAKY, RTS, DTR) I've got the latest firmware loaded (202194A) Any idea what I'm overlooking? (I also tried the "temporary" MARS mod where you short JP6 and reset the radio and than never worked. Tried it like 6 times and it never changed a think except making me reload my settings) |
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Hi both Thanks |
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Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...>
Got it working. You just need to put your Yaesu hat on :) Here are the issues and the solution. WSJT-X wants to control the radio. Normally with CAT control enabled and the radio selected, it shifts the radio into data mode. That works fine on all frequencies but 60 meters. Even if you manually select the 60 meter from memory, which puts it in USB, the CAT control will switch it to Data-U mode. No transmit, just blinking TX light. The solution is this: In WSJT-S under the Radio tab, select NONE for the Radio. Set PTT for RTS. Pick the COM port that identifies as a "Standard" port, not the Enhanced. In the Radio settings. Set SSB Mod Source to Rear, Rear Select USB, RPort Gain to 10 or more, RPPT Select to RTS. That's how you get it to do any data on 60 meters. Gary K3OS ------ Original Message ------
From: WT4W@...
Sent: 4/29/2021 10:44:53 AM
Subject: Re: [ftdx-10] FT8 on 60 meters I've been through all of that, I don't think I've missed anything but it's certainly possible. |
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Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...>
Will- Here in the US the radios are shipped with 60 meters only available from factory programmed memory channels. There are five for SSB and five for CW. If you try to do anything else, including moving off frequency, it won't transmit. Apparently your radio will transmit on 50 if you dial it in. Here we can't do that, unless you modify the radio. Gary K3OS
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From: "Will, M0LGW" <wjcgrocott@...>
Sent: 4/29/2021 2:07:39 PM
Subject: Re: [ftdx-10] FT8 on 60 meters
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Hi Gary Nice work finding a solution Gary |
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Gary Schwartz <garysch69@...>
Will - Just to clarify, we do have 60 meters on the US versions. It is pre-programmed into memories 5-01 through 5-10. These memories are not changeable nor tunable. While you think you can change the mode of these frequencies, when you transmit, it won't work. Just blinking TX light. Why Yaesu felt compelled to do this crazy thing, is beyond me. Icom doesn't. All the other rigs can transmit on 60 meters just like it was any other tunable frequency. It is up to the operator to make sure the frequency and mode is correct. The so-called "MARS" modification enables transmit just about everywhere the radio receives. MARS, which stands for Military Affiliate Radio System, is a non-ham communications group that uses frequencies out of the ham bands. If you are a MARS member, the stock radio has to be modified. If you present a valid MARS license to Yaesu, they will make the change to the radio. I don't know at what cost, however. Most all the radio vendors will do the same.
gary K3OS ------ Original Message ------
From: "Will, M0LGW" <wjcgrocott@...>
Sent: 4/29/2021 2:45:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ftdx-10] FT8 on 60 meters
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WT4W
Looks like that's gonna' work. I'd tried setting the radio to "none" before but didn't know that bit about the enhanced vs. standard port.
It's kind of a pain, but I'll make it a bit easier by loading the appropriate configuration from the SD card. Thanks for the help. |
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Liam K <liam.keane@...>
Hi,
I've been looking for some information on 60m in the UK and the factory preset channels, which I've enabled using the region setting procedure. I'm not familiar with 60m at all but the list of channels I have now enabled doesn't seem correct, or at least doesn't seem to cover the full UK allocation. They are as follows: 5-01: 5332 kHz USB 5-02: 5348 kHz USB 5-03: 5358.5 kHz USB 5-04: 5373 kHz USB 5-05: 5405 kHz USB 5-06: 5332 kHz CW 5-07: 5348 kHz CW I would appreciate if anyone could confirm their if factory preset UK 60m channels are as above, and whether I've misunderstood something which in fairness is likely. TIA Liam |
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M7GRW Graham Whaley
Hi Liam, I too don't know too much about 60m, as my UK Foundation license doesn't allow me to operate there :-) - but, here are the memory settings in my ftdx-10 for reference, where I enabled the 60m memory bank. They look different to yours. These appear to line up with the middle of most of the 60m 'slots' from the UK bandplan - but, not all slots seem to be covered: 5-01: 5260 kHz USB 5-02: 5280 kHz USB 5-03: 5290 kHz USB 5-04: 5368 kHz USB 5-05: 5373 kHz USB 5-06: 5400 kHz USB 5-07: 5405 kHz USB I used the information from this document to enable mine iirc: Graham, M7GRW On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 at 23:12, Liam K <liam.keane@...> wrote: Hi, |
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M7GRW Graham Whaley
and, those values align with the table shown in the FTDX-10 user manual, found in the 'Memory Operation' section in the pdf I have, page 73. Graham, M7GRW On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 10:49, Graham Whaley via groups.io <graham.whaley=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Hi Graham,
Thank you for your response, it's becoming clearer now, or possibly not :-o I had looked at the table on page 73 and now that you have highlighted it I did so again, and for some reason my 7 'UK channels' coincide with the first 7 of the US channels. I hadn't noticed this earlier, just that mine were different to the UK list in the table. Very odd! I've only had the FTDX10 for a week and it came from an established UK supplier, with an English user manual. I have read somewhere another user saying theirs had also come from a UK supplier but with a German user manual. However, mine had the default keyboard layout set to German out of the box. I wasn't aware then that there is a region setting procedure to open 60m so all I did was change the keyboard layout to UK English. The default in yellow was still German, but this changed to UK English in yellow after the region setting procedure. Job done I thought, until I checked my new 60m channels and found they are not as expected. It came with Main firmware V01-08 and I upgraded to the latest V01-10 in order to get the longer on screen selection timeouts which are much improved. This was before I discovered the requirement to set the radio region to UK using the procedure published by Yaesu, so I had done this after the V01-10 firmware upgrade. I may have to try a factory reset and then go through the region setting procedure again and see if that gets me the channel list that you have, as per the user manual. It's not a deal breaker but it would be nice to have everything do what it says on the tin. The only other things of note, the 'destination' on the box label is EU. Is yours the same, or could there be a UK specific variant which will give the correct 60m slots / channels? Also, the region setting procedure described by Yaesu says that the radio will restart automatically on holding the function button. Mine just shuts down and does not restart until I press the power button. Maybe just another oddity, who knows. Thanks again and best regards, Liam **UPDATE** I bit the bullet and performed the factory reset and I now have the 7 correct UK 60m channels as per the manual and kindly highlighted by Graham - thanks again. |
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M7GRW Graham Whaley
Yay, glad it is fixed Liam :-)
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My box says ‘EU’ on it. Also purchased from a well known UK supplier. I don’t remember having to set up a country code. It does not surprise me that you would either have to do a full reset or a re dis/en-able of 60m after a country change to get the memory settings fixed. Strange that you ended up with half the U.S. allocations though - some undocumented combination maybe. Graham, M7GRW On 20 Jun 2022, at 14:27, Liam K <liam.keane@...> wrote: |
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Hi Graham,
The only thing I can think of is that it may have got confused by my setting of the keyboard layout to UK English from the out of the box default German, before I performed the UK region setting procedure. I didn't have to repeat this after the factory reset as it came back up with UK English as the default keyboard layout along with the 7 preset UK channels as per yours and the table in the manual. A strange one indeed! Best regards, Liam |
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