Questions about Formatting a Book


stoddarm@...
 

  I just updated to FH 7.0.7 and am trying the Publish | Books and Booklets option. I am running into a few formatting questions. My questions regard the “Ancestors of” narrative option.

  1. How do I keep generations together? Or at least repeat the generation heading on the next page?
  2. How do I keep the info about media on the same page as the media? For instance, I have a picture of a birth certificate and at times the explanation of what it is appears on the previous page.
  3. I would like to start the “Sources” on a new page.

  I could continue but I figure the answers to these questions will give me some insight to the other questions I have. It may help to explain I am new to genealogy and FH terminology so my searches for the answers may not have contained the proper keywords.

  Thanks in advance.

Mickey


Mike Tate
 

Welcome to the FH world Mickey.

First I should point out that there is also the FHUG online Forums and Knowledge Base at:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/index.php and https://fhug.org.uk/kb/

They are entirely free but offer alternative ways of getting advice that may be more convenient than Email.

 

I suggest that before working with Books that you customise the separate Reports first.

There is advice on that at https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/report-content-media-format-and-layout/

 

To get each Generation and the Source and Bibliography sections to start on a new page here is the trick.

Use the Report > Options > Format tab and select ‘Hdg Level 2’ which is the Generations, Sources & Bibliography heading level.

Click the Edit… button and change the Above Heading Gap to 999 pt and click OK and OK again. That is it.

 

I strongly suggest you save such customisations using the Save Report As > Custom Report Type option on the right.

Then the standard Report can retain its default installation settings to act as a reference when customisations don’t work as expected.

In the Book, you would use Other Report… to add the customised style of Narrative Report.

 

I imagine you are talking about Media images in the Sources section.

Unfortunately, I don’t think much can be done about keeping the footnote text on the same page as its image.

Sometimes small adjustments in Report > Options > Sources tab to Max. Picture Height can achieve success.

 

Hopefully that helps.

Mike Tate

 


stoddarm@...
 

Hi Mike,

  Thank you for the welcome.

  I tried FHUG forums and the knowledge base on multiple occasions knowing full well I was asking the wrong question or using the wrong terminology. More likely though I found the answer and didn’t realize it.

  Regarding starting sections on a new page, I’m not going to use the word never but it would have been a while before I figured that out. Wow, customizations, it didn’t take me long to get in over my head. I appreciate the advice. I would have messed that up too without it. I may have already. I get messages every so often that I don’t understand. I do some research but sometimes I end up flipping a coin and forging ahead.

  Yes, media images in the sources section. I have played with the picture height. I want one image per page so the source documents are legible. I get one fixed and another breaks. It first goes sideways on a 2nd media image associated with the same source which has no text associated with it. I have thought about making it a source in its own right then adding some filler, like several rows of spaces. That is a bandaid with no assurance the problem doesn’t crop up later in the report. I did notice a custom query option which I have tried to avoid. I know where that can lead me. I may end up living with the problem as I am probably the only one it will  bother. Thanks for letting me know though for I was surely headed down that rabbit hole.

  You have been a great help.

Mickey

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:43 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Questions about Formatting a Book

 

Welcome to the FH world Mickey.

First I should point out that there is also the FHUG online Forums and Knowledge Base at:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/index.php and https://fhug.org.uk/kb/

They are entirely free but offer alternative ways of getting advice that may be more convenient than Email.

 

I suggest that before working with Books that you customise the separate Reports first.

There is advice on that at https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/report-content-media-format-and-layout/

 

To get each Generation and the Source and Bibliography sections to start on a new page here is the trick.

Use the Report > Options > Format tab and select ‘Hdg Level 2’ which is the Generations, Sources & Bibliography heading level.

Click the Edit… button and change the Above Heading Gap to 999 pt and click OK and OK again. That is it.

 

I strongly suggest you save such customisations using the Save Report As > Custom Report Type option on the right.

Then the standard Report can retain its default installation settings to act as a reference when customisations don’t work as expected.

In the Book, you would use Other Report… to add the customised style of Narrative Report.

 

I imagine you are talking about Media images in the Sources section.

Unfortunately, I don’t think much can be done about keeping the footnote text on the same page as its image.

Sometimes small adjustments in Report > Options > Sources tab to Max. Picture Height can achieve success.

 

Hopefully that helps.

Mike Tate

 


Mike Tate
 

Mickey,

It is true that sometimes a degree of lateral thinking is required with the customisations to achieve a specific effect.

In previous versions of FH the Report > Options > Format tab ‘Hdg Level 2’ Keep With Next: 99 lines would force a new page but no longer.

FH v7 needs the Above Heading Gap: 999 pt trick to force a new page.

 

You are not alone with the problem of keeping Source Footnote text with the associated Media image.

One option is to report it to Calico Pie via their http://www.calico-pie.com/osticket/open.php Support Ticket system.

Alternatively, via the FHUGNew Wish List Requests’ Forum, the problem could be discussed and added to the Wish List.

 

Mike Tate

 


stoddarm@...
 

Mike Tate,

  I like “lateral thinking”. We called them “work arounds” which suggests a weakness in the programming. Lateral thinking suggests the user needs to be flexible, which they\I do.

  I seen “99” in the documentation. I was going to use some lateral thinking on that one. I haven’t been with FH long enough to be able to tell the difference between 6 and 7. The advantage to that is I don’t have to unlearn v6 idiosyncracies.

  I am a proponent of ticketing systems so I guess I should follow my own advice. Ticket #387970 has been generated. I will check out the forums also. Part of my reluctance stems from assuming I am the problem and I need to keep looking for the button. FH is thorough, at least for the beginner. I have seen some of the high level discussions. My preferences are basic (my opinion), things I would expect an application to support so I must be the problem, right?

  I am doing my best to focus on the genealogy rather than the technical. I am doing fair. I am still finding new genealogy resources.

Mickey

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 6:36 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Questions about Formatting a Book

 

Mickey,

It is true that sometimes a degree of lateral thinking is required with the customisations to achieve a specific effect.

In previous versions of FH the Report > Options > Format tab ‘Hdg Level 2’ Keep With Next: 99 lines would force a new page but no longer.

FH v7 needs the Above Heading Gap: 999 pt trick to force a new page.

 

You are not alone with the problem of keeping Source Footnote text with the associated Media image.

One option is to report it to Calico Pie via their http://www.calico-pie.com/osticket/open.php Support Ticket system.

Alternatively, via the FHUGNew Wish List Requests’ Forum, the problem could be discussed and added to the Wish List.

 

Mike Tate

 


Mike Tate
 

For genealogy research resources, see the FHUG KB https://fhug.org.uk/kb/.

Start at Links > Services & Utilities and then Research Resources will get you to:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/link-type/research-resources/

That should keep you busy for a while. 😊

Mike Tate

 


stoddarm@...
 

Mike Tate,

Yes it will, thanks.

The request to keep media and notes on the same page was passed on to the developer… sort of. I am in the process of clarifying my request.

What specifically was said “Unfortunately there is not an option to put the images before the citation which if you are using very large images would normally mean they end up on the same page as the title. I have raised this to the developer for consideration for a future release.”

Mickey

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 10:32 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Questions about Formatting a Book

 

For genealogy research resources, see the FHUG KB https://fhug.org.uk/kb/.

Start at Links > Services & Utilities and then Research Resources will get you to:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/link-type/research-resources/

That should keep you busy for a while. 😊

Mike Tate