Import from TMG
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Thank you all for your time and help,
I am using TMG 9.05 UK version As I said earlier, I have 15 Marriage Tags 12 of which are custom. I'm sure I can rationalise these to some extent (as it appears I have to!). I'll run some trials tomorrow converting those I can to Standard Marriage Tags and changing others to the (standard) TMG Tag "Event-Misc" which has the GEDCOM "EVEN" assigned within TMG. I'll see then if the partners get imported in their families. Mike you said: FYI: When the GEDCOM EVEN tag is specified in TMG the Tag Type label is used to specify the custom fact name. That is why TMG custom Tag Type: Marr Reg should import to FH with the custom name Marr Reg. That is why I don’t understand how Tag Type: MarRegister imports as Marr Reg. |
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I did suggest before you try and stay with the standard as far as possible. Just because you can create multiple custom facts in various software packages doesn't mean it's a good idea. On Sun, 13 Nov 2022, 23:20 Bob Hunter, <rmwhunter@...> wrote: Thank you all for your time and help, |
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As I am learning!
When I made them in TMG fifteen years ago, I had no intention of leaving the program. Now the debate is: how little do I have to unmake? |
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"TMG does not use GEDCOM to store its data, however the GEDCOM associated with its Death Tag is DEAT" Bob, one important learning is the Genealogy Data Communication Standard underpins all genealogy programs. I'm glad you now realise your data entry problems and can move to correcting them. On Sun, 13 Nov 2022, 23:45 Bob Hunter, <rmwhunter@...> wrote: As I am learning! |
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Bob, TMG 9.05 seems quite an early version and may be worth updating. The FHUG KB Importing to Family Historian for TMG has 9.5.0.0 UK to download as a 30-day free trial. https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/importing-to-family-historian/
When you talk about converting to Standard Marriage Tags do you mean converting the Facts recorded against couples and not the Master Tag Type definitions? I don’t think converting the Tag Type definitions to MARR will help and may make it worse.
Yes, changing the Custom Tag Types so the GEDCOM Tag is EVEN should help. However, that alone won’t help the facts get imported into their families. That requires the Tag Type and the fact to be assigned to both Principals in TMG.
I still don’t understand how Tag Type ‘MarRe gister’ imports to FH as ‘Marr Reg’. It should import as ‘MarRe gister’. Please post screenshots showing the TMG Master Tag Type list entry for Marr Reg and its details view. Also a screenshot of the FH Tools > Fact Types… list for Fact Set: TMG (project)
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John Hanson
Mike I think that is an error in the knowledge base It was the version that I came from – I suspect that the US version should have been 9.0.3 – but you would need to check Wikipedia shows the version history and certainly doesn’t go beyond 9.0.5
Regards John Hanson FSG
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 14 November 2022 10:52 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Import from TMG
Bob, TMG 9.05 seems quite an early version and may be worth updating. The FHUG KB Importing to Family Historian for TMG has 9.5.0.0 UK to download as a 30-day free trial. https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/importing-to-family-historian/
When you talk about converting to Standard Marriage Tags do you mean converting the Facts recorded against couples and not the Master Tag Type definitions? I don’t think converting the Tag Type definitions to MARR will help and may make it worse.
Yes, changing the Custom Tag Types so the GEDCOM Tag is EVEN should help. However, that alone won’t help the facts get imported into their families. That requires the Tag Type and the fact to be assigned to both Principals in TMG.
I still don’t understand how Tag Type ‘MarRe gister’ imports to FH as ‘Marr Reg’. It should import as ‘MarRe gister’. Please post screenshots showing the TMG Master Tag Type list entry for Marr Reg and its details view. Also a screenshot of the FH Tools > Fact Types… list for Fact Set: TMG (project)
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colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
Thanks, John. I’ve updated the KnowledgeBase.
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hanson
Sent: 14 November 2022 12:02 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Import from TMG
Mike I think that is an error in the knowledge base It was the version that I came from – I suspect that the US version should have been 9.0.3 – but you would need to check Wikipedia shows the version history and certainly doesn’t go beyond 9.0.5
Regards John Hanson FSG
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Janis Rodriguez
Has the OP tried creating a GEDCOM using John Cardinal’s TMG to GEDCOM utility and then importing it into FH? It would be interesting to see if your project has the same problem with custom MARR tags.
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Jan Rodriguez On Nov 13, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Bob Hunter <rmwhunter@...> wrote:
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Mike,
John has answered before me v9.05 is the latest TMG. I have done some testing, TMG requires a marriage tag for there to be a family relationship. If you "add a spouse" without entering a marriage Tag, then TMG will default to creating an empty Marriage Tag. Which would explain the import result in FH, if the MarRe gister tag is not recognised as a family tag then there is no relationship to import. Which comes back to the question of why isn't the MarRe ister Tag recognised as a Family Tag. You say: That requires the Tag Type and the fact to be assigned to both Principals in TMG. and I would note that within TMG my MarRe gister Tag is assigned to both principals and does maintain the relationship See the Screenshots you requested attached |
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Jan,
I don't own a copy of John's Utility. Whilst I believe him when he says it does a better job of a GEDCOM export than TMG itself, I have been told that a direct import is much better BobH |
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Mike
Looking at the Family Historian "TMG Import" Fact types, is there any easy explanation for why just some of the other facts have been imported as individual events, See "Engagement" and "Engagement1", "Marr Bann" and "Marr Bann1" and even "Marriage" and "Marriage1". Or are they all different facets of the problem I'm having with MarRe-gister? BobH |
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Bob, The two facts Engagement (ENGA) & Marriage (MARR) are standard GEDCOM Family facts so get imported as such with a red bullet because FH recognises the TMG Label and GEDCOM Tag. The others are custom facts that rely on other factors to import them correctly.
To check whether a fact has imported to FH as a standard GEDCOM fact do this: Open Tools > Fact Types… and tick Show Hidden on the right, then drag the window as wide as possible. Is a TMG Import (project) fact followed by a Standard fact with the same Name but <eclipsed> & <disabled>? If so then that is a Standard GEDCOM fact such as Birth, Marriage, Death, Occupation.
Whenever I import a TMG Project to FH the TMG Import (project) fact set Names are always synonymous with the TMG Report > Master Tag Type List right down to spacing, upper/lower case, misspellings, etc. The FH list may be a subset but it is a matching subset.
I cannot get my head around all your recent screenshots of those two lists show very different fact Names. Are you absolutely sure that the TMG and FH projects are derived from the same .PJC file? I cannot see from your screenshots whether they even have the same Project name.
Mike |
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Mike
OK - I see the <eclipsed> and <disabled> and how the standard facts have been eclipsed by a TMG Import. Which doesn't alter the fact that (for example) there is a Shared Fact "Engagement" from the TMG Import, an eclipsed Shared Fact "Engagement" from the Standard Set and a further Individual Fact "Engagement1" from the TMG Import. Is there any way of discovering where these facts, and other anomalies, have been used? I'm happy to accept that some of the problem is dirty data coming in, but how discover the dirt to clean it up. You ask if I'm sure that the TMG and FH projects are the same data, and I can assure you they are. But to convince you, I will create a new test project in TMG and import that into FH and post screen shots of those Bob |
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To discover where any facts are used in FH run the Query > Facts and Events > All Facts. Click on the Fact Type column heading to sort alphabetically. See also FHUG KB Download https://fhug.org.uk/kb/download/all-facts-filter-by-label/
I await your screenshots…
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Mike
Here are the screen shots from Project Three, my third sample project and its import into TMG. There is absolutely no doubt that these are the same data |
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I mean its import into FH
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katrina.hodgson@gmail.com
Hi Bob,
I also use TMG 9.05 UK.
Do you have John Cardinal's (free) TMG Utility?
In TMG-U there's an option Events > Change Event Type that MAY help in translating your Marriage Registration tags to Marriage ones.
Consider posting about this possible option to the TMG Forum, as I don't know what implications (if any) there might be for your sentences and place styles.
Good luck! Katrina |
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Thank you. I’ve just spotted that the TMG Language is English (UK) whereas I thought it had dots like English (U.K.) Also, English (U.S.) is often better I find. Does that Language setting list TMG Tags with different Labels?
Have you seen and digested the FH Help for the New Project Wizard for TMG? New Project Wizard - TMG Import Options https://www.family-historian.co.uk/help/fh7/hh_start.htm#newprojectwizardstep2-tmg.html
There may be some clues that explain what we are seeing there.
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Have you seen and digested the FH Help for the New Project Wizard for TMG? New Project Wizard - TMG Import Options https://www.family-historian.co.uk/help/fh7/hh_start.htm#newprojectwizardstep2-tmg.html |
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By the way I have been importing using the Language "All English (U,K. preferred)" I'll have a go tomorrow after selecting "English (U.K.)" Although according to Help this only affects the sentences (no reference is made to Tag names)
Bob |
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