Family Historian versus Legacy #new


Richard Whitchurch-Bennett
 

Thanks Mike - I'll explore your suggestions.  My Census entries are personally added by me using the Fact and the Add Fact buttons and then adding details of dates/place (so not imported).  I would like to change the wording that is generated from these entries in reports.
Best regards Richard


Richard Whitchurch-Bennett
 

Thanks Leslie.


Mike Tate
 

Richard,

If you are adding Facts with names such as Census 1841 and Census 1901, and they are not imported, then you must have created their definitions using the Tools > Fact Types… dialogue. You cannot just choose to Add such Facts any other way because they won’t exist on the Add Facts button.

So in Tools > Fact Types… those Census 1841, Census 1901, etc, Facts must be listed and you can Edit… their definition and change the Sentence Template wording.

However, I strongly advise you to convert them all to the standard GEDCOM Census Event.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Whitchurch-Bennett
Sent: 07 September 2022 12:40
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Historian versus Legacy #new

 

Thanks Mike - I'll explore your suggestions.  My Census entries are personally added by me using the Fact and the Add Fact buttons and then adding details of dates/place (so not imported).  I would like to change the wording that is generated from these entries in reports.
Best regards Richard


Jane Lucas
 

I'd like to know when overseas FH users can sign up as well.  Yes, I can see that FH is very different from Legacy, and in the end FH is a much more useful and flexible system.   I do like the intuitive interface of Legacy, but maybe that is because I'm so used to it.   I gather Legacy is based on MS Access and ultimately isn't as flexible as modern users expect.  

My only quibble with FH is the teeny tiny icons which seem to be impossible to enlarge.  It is something to do with the fact that I have a new laptop (Dell Inspiron 7506) but it would be great if the capability to enlarge just the icons was possible.  These are the icons on the left side and the top.   If you enlarge the text size it only affects the main text, not the icons.

For that reason I haven't completely changed over yet, but I can really see the advantages of FH over Legacy.

Jane Lucas
Courtenay, BC, Canada

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:16 PM trevithick <mark-fhgroups@...> wrote:
Thank you for your reply ColeValleyGirl,

I am still struggling with the very different structure and processes compared with Legacy.

I attempted to sign up for the Events when they were first announced, but it was only available for England and EU members.  I could of course not be honest, or set my VPN to somewhere in England, but I prefer to sign up legitimately.  I may attempt it again.
--
Mark Trevithick


BillH <bhtemp99@...>
 

Jane,

Does Tools > Preferences > Display > Toolbar Size help at all?

Bill

On 9/9/2022 at 9:05 AM, Jane Lucas wrote:

I'd like to know when overseas FH users can sign up as well.  Yes, I can see that FH is very different from Legacy, and in the end FH is a much more useful and flexible system.   I do like the intuitive interface of Legacy, but maybe that is because I'm so used to it.   I gather Legacy is based on MS Access and ultimately isn't as flexible as modern users expect.  

My only quibble with FH is the teeny tiny icons which seem to be impossible to enlarge.  It is something to do with the fact that I have a new laptop (Dell Inspiron 7506) but it would be great if the capability to enlarge just the icons was possible.  These are the icons on the left side and the top.   If you enlarge the text size it only affects the main text, not the icons.

For that reason I haven't completely changed over yet, but I can really see the advantages of FH over Legacy.

Jane Lucas
Courtenay, BC, Canada

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:16 PM trevithick <mark-fhgroups@...> wrote:
Thank you for your reply ColeValleyGirl,

I am still struggling with the very different structure and processes compared with Legacy.

I attempted to sign up for the Events when they were first announced, but it was only available for England and EU members.  I could of course not be honest, or set my VPN to somewhere in England, but I prefer to sign up legitimately.  I may attempt it again.
--
Mark Trevithick


Jane Lucas
 

Yes!!   It does help!  Thank you so much.  The default seems to be Medium, and when I selected Big the fonts did get a little bigger.  This helped enlarge the main toolbar of the program.   

The toolbar at the "Individual" screen on the right side still has the tiny icons with no text unless you mouseover.   Is there any way to enlarge those icons and also include the text below?   Same thing with the yellow Sources area on the bottom right.  Those icons are so small I can hardly make them out.

Thank you again,
Jane



On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 4:48 PM BillH <bhtemp99@...> wrote:
Jane,

Does Tools > Preferences > Display > Toolbar Size help at all?

Bill

On 9/9/2022 at 9:05 AM, Jane Lucas wrote:
I'd like to know when overseas FH users can sign up as well.  Yes, I can see that FH is very different from Legacy, and in the end FH is a much more useful and flexible system.   I do like the intuitive interface of Legacy, but maybe that is because I'm so used to it.   I gather Legacy is based on MS Access and ultimately isn't as flexible as modern users expect.  

My only quibble with FH is the teeny tiny icons which seem to be impossible to enlarge.  It is something to do with the fact that I have a new laptop (Dell Inspiron 7506) but it would be great if the capability to enlarge just the icons was possible.  These are the icons on the left side and the top.   If you enlarge the text size it only affects the main text, not the icons.

For that reason I haven't completely changed over yet, but I can really see the advantages of FH over Legacy.

Jane Lucas
Courtenay, BC, Canada

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:16 PM trevithick <mark-fhgroups@...> wrote:
Thank you for your reply ColeValleyGirl,

I am still struggling with the very different structure and processes compared with Legacy.

I attempted to sign up for the Events when they were first announced, but it was only available for England and EU members.  I could of course not be honest, or set my VPN to somewhere in England, but I prefer to sign up legitimately.  I may attempt it again.
--
Mark Trevithick


BillH <bhtemp99@...>
 

When I change the Toolbar Size to "Big" it changes the size of the main toolbar buttons at the top (Save, Home, Focus, etc.). 

It also changes the size of the icons at the bottom of the Sources pane (Add Citation, Edit Source Citation, Copy Citation to Source Clipboard, etc.)  I do not believe there is a way to add text to these buttons.  The tool tips which pop up when you mouse over them is all there is I think.

You also mentioned the toolbar at the "individual" screen on the right side.  Are you referring to this one:



The size of these icons also change when I change the Toolbar Size setting.

If you have a new laptop with a very high resolution, then it does make the icons smaller.  I am on a desktop with a monitor that has resolution 1920 x 1080 and the icons are fine.  If you have higher resolution than that, the only other thing I can think of to try is to go into the Windows Display settings and change the scale to something higher than 100%.  This has been known to cause problems with some programs, but I believe Family Historian works OK at 125% for example.

Bill

On 9/9/2022 at 7:53 PM, Jane Lucas wrote:

Yes!!   It does help!  Thank you so much.  The default seems to be Medium, and when I selected Big the fonts did get a little bigger.  This helped enlarge the main toolbar of the program.   

The toolbar at the "Individual" screen on the right side still has the tiny icons with no text unless you mouseover.   Is there any way to enlarge those icons and also include the text below?   Same thing with the yellow Sources area on the bottom right.  Those icons are so small I can hardly make them out.

Thank you again,
Jane



On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 4:48 PM BillH <bhtemp99@...> wrote:
Jane,

Does Tools > Preferences > Display > Toolbar Size help at all?

Bill

On 9/9/2022 at 9:05 AM, Jane Lucas wrote:
I'd like to know when overseas FH users can sign up as well.  Yes, I can see that FH is very different from Legacy, and in the end FH is a much more useful and flexible system.   I do like the intuitive interface of Legacy, but maybe that is because I'm so used to it.   I gather Legacy is based on MS Access and ultimately isn't as flexible as modern users expect.  

My only quibble with FH is the teeny tiny icons which seem to be impossible to enlarge.  It is something to do with the fact that I have a new laptop (Dell Inspiron 7506) but it would be great if the capability to enlarge just the icons was possible.  These are the icons on the left side and the top.   If you enlarge the text size it only affects the main text, not the icons.

For that reason I haven't completely changed over yet, but I can really see the advantages of FH over Legacy.

Jane Lucas
Courtenay, BC, Canada

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:16 PM trevithick <mark-fhgroups@...> wrote:
Thank you for your reply ColeValleyGirl,

I am still struggling with the very different structure and processes compared with Legacy.

I attempted to sign up for the Events when they were first announced, but it was only available for England and EU members.  I could of course not be honest, or set my VPN to somewhere in England, but I prefer to sign up legitimately.  I may attempt it again.
--
Mark Trevithick



John Hanson
 

Jane

These events are nothing to do with Calico Pie or the FHUG as they are independently organised

 

Events from the Society of Genealogists are available to anybody (you do not need to be a member but if you are you get a discount on any of their courses)

 

As for the Jackie Depelle courses all I can suggest is that you contact Jackie (she may not be aware of the restriction) so try contacting here via

https://www.familyhistoryfederation.com/family-history-speaker-west-yorkshire-jackie-depelle

 

Regards

John Hanson FSG (yes I run the SoG ones)

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jane Lucas
Sent: 09 September 2022 17:05
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Historian versus Legacy #new

 

I'd like to know when overseas FH users can sign up as well.  Yes, I can see that FH is very different from Legacy, and in the end FH is a much more useful and flexible system.   I do like the intuitive interface of Legacy, but maybe that is because I'm so used to it.   I gather Legacy is based on MS Access and ultimately isn't as flexible as modern users expect.  

 

My only quibble with FH is the teeny tiny icons which seem to be impossible to enlarge.  It is something to do with the fact that I have a new laptop (Dell Inspiron 7506) but it would be great if the capability to enlarge just the icons was possible.  These are the icons on the left side and the top.   If you enlarge the text size it only affects the main text, not the icons.

 

For that reason I haven't completely changed over yet, but I can really see the advantages of FH over Legacy.

 

Jane Lucas

Courtenay, BC, Canada

 

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:16 PM trevithick <mark-fhgroups@...> wrote:

Thank you for your reply ColeValleyGirl,

I am still struggling with the very different structure and processes compared with Legacy.

I attempted to sign up for the Events when they were first announced, but it was only available for England and EU members.  I could of course not be honest, or set my VPN to somewhere in England, but I prefer to sign up legitimately.  I may attempt it again.
--
Mark Trevithick


Bob Hunter
 

Jackie’s courses are run by the East Midlands section of the “Workers Educational Association” (WEA) [WEA National homepage | WEA]. I can see nothing in their terms which precludes overseas students (but that may be because they normally deliver their teaching face-to-face, and the possibility has not previously arisen)

 

BobH

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hanson via groups.io
Sent: 10 September 2022 10:09
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Historian versus Legacy #new

 

Jane

These events are nothing to do with Calico Pie or the FHUG as they are independently organised

 

Events from the Society of Genealogists are available to anybody (you do not need to be a member but if you are you get a discount on any of their courses)

 

As for the Jackie Depelle courses all I can suggest is that you contact Jackie (she may not be aware of the restriction) so try contacting here via

https://www.familyhistoryfederation.com/family-history-speaker-west-yorkshire-jackie-depelle

 

Regards

John Hanson FSG (yes I run the SoG ones)

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jane Lucas
Sent: 09 September 2022 17:05
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Historian versus Legacy #new

 

I'd like to know when overseas FH users can sign up as well.  Yes, I can see that FH is very different from Legacy, and in the end FH is a much more useful and flexible system.   I do like the intuitive interface of Legacy, but maybe that is because I'm so used to it.   I gather Legacy is based on MS Access and ultimately isn't as flexible as modern users expect.  

 

My only quibble with FH is the teeny tiny icons which seem to be impossible to enlarge.  It is something to do with the fact that I have a new laptop (Dell Inspiron 7506) but it would be great if the capability to enlarge just the icons was possible.  These are the icons on the left side and the top.   If you enlarge the text size it only affects the main text, not the icons.

 

For that reason I haven't completely changed over yet, but I can really see the advantages of FH over Legacy.

 

Jane Lucas

Courtenay, BC, Canada

 

On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 8:16 PM trevithick <mark-fhgroups@...> wrote:

Thank you for your reply ColeValleyGirl,

I am still struggling with the very different structure and processes compared with Legacy.

I attempted to sign up for the Events when they were first announced, but it was only available for England and EU members.  I could of course not be honest, or set my VPN to somewhere in England, but I prefer to sign up legitimately.  I may attempt it again.
--
Mark Trevithick


Derek Heritage
 

Legacy had a key to enter today's date. Does Family Historian?


Victor Markham
 

Every time I add some details a date I did it is added automatically.
If you check relationships a list appears and the dates the names were added is shown in a column

On 11 Sept 2022, at 11:20, Derek Heritage <heritage-family@...> wrote:

Legacy had a key to enter today's date. Does Family Historian?


Mike Tate
 

No, FH does not have a key to enter today's date.

Under what circumstances would it be useful?

Do they occur often enough to make a dedicated key worthwhile?

 


Vyger
 

Mike, I wished for similar in another program years ago. I have many progressive notes which would now be Research Notes, as I added new discoverins and thought to these notes I appended with {29/07/2001 JE} for example.

For multi database contributers this could have been {user: 290721_1321} entered with a single keyboard shortcut. At that time, in another program, I suggested the unused Ctrl+D (Date) but I believe that is already used in FH.

Things have evolved now and really Research Notes have superceded this old fashioned way of doing things and I would hope to concentrate future efforts to that feature.

Jackson


On Sun, 11 Sept 2022, 11:42 Mike Tate, <post@...> wrote:

No, FH does not have a key to enter today's date.

Under what circumstances would it be useful?

Do they occur often enough to make a dedicated key worthwhile?

 


Beverly Smallwood
 

Mike - I record the date accessed in my citation. 
I've semi-automated the process by using ORA to input the fields.  Then I created an Auto-Hotkey combo of Win-Shift-D to enter the system date on research notes.
I've always found a need for the current date.


On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 5:42 AM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

No, FH does not have a key to enter today's date.

Under what circumstances would it be useful?

Do they occur often enough to make a dedicated key worthwhile?

 


Mike Tate
 

There is an FHUG Closed Wish List Request for “Insert today's date”:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=17810

 

It is closed because there is a Wish List entry for “Auto-generation of 'today'” that has existed since August 2006:

https://fhug.org.uk/wishlist/wldisplay.php?wlwlref=186

It has some interesting comments but not a great many votes.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Beverly Smallwood
Sent: 11 September 2022 19:32
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Historian versus Legacy #new

 

Mike - I record the date accessed in my citation. 

I've semi-automated the process by using ORA to input the fields.  Then I created an Auto-Hotkey combo of Win-Shift-D to enter the system date on research notes.

I've always found a need for the current date.

 

On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 5:42 AM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

No, FH does not have a key to enter today's date.

Under what circumstances would it be useful?

Do they occur often enough to make a dedicated key worthwhile?

 


trevithick
 

In Legacy it is used to easily enter the date you recorded, or referenced a Source.  For example, if I used data from the "US Census - 1940" to record a persons name, or place of birth, or any other relevant piece of data, I have the option to record the date that I referenced the Census.

It is my guess that this is what Derek was asking about.
--
Mark Trevithick


Derek Heritage
 

Correct.
Another key that Legacy had and I can't see an equivalent on FH. Is a key to share a source with multiple facts, like in a Census. And with a family who are together at  the same address  in the same census.


Brent Tapscott
 

Perhaps I am missing something here, but a Source in FH can be linked to as many Facts as you want.  I have several, particularly Census ones, which are related to 15+ Facts (eg. for an Individuals Birth as well as Census Facts, and to all the people listed on the Census record).


colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Brent is correct. If you use a DEA or Ancestral Sources, it’s very simple to create a number of facts from the information contained in a Source. Alternative ways of working (e.g. Automatic Source Citation, or Copying and Pasting a Citation to multiple Facts) are described here: Sources and Citations in Version 7 (for New Users) – Family Historian User Group – Knowledge Base (fhug.org.uk)

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Brent Tapscott
Sent: 13 September 2022 09:18
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Historian versus Legacy #new

 

Perhaps I am missing something here, but a Source in FH can be linked to as many Facts as you want.  I have several, particularly Census ones, which are related to 15+ Facts (eg. for an Individuals Birth as well as Census Facts, and to all the people listed on the Census record).

_._,_._,_


John Hanson
 

Derek

Is certainly possible – have a look at “The Citation List Pane” in the FH Help which explains how

 

A lot of us do census entries the easy way by using the add-on program Ancestral Sources - Ancestral Sources – Family Historian User Group – Knowledge Base (fhug.org.uk)

Regards

John Hanson

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Derek Heritage
Sent: 13 September 2022 08:32
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Historian versus Legacy #new

 

Correct.
Another key that Legacy had and I can't see an equivalent on FH. Is a key to share a source with multiple facts, like in a Census. And with a family who are together at  the same address  in the same census.