Position and lines in all relative charts
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Adrian Bruce
On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 at 14:08, PhilipM <phil@...> wrote: ... I get around the whole issue by having separate trees for main ancestral branches - that gives nice 'clean' charts (effectively Descendant Charts - thanks Mike!) albeit at the cost of separating the branches. Funnily enough, when I first started using Family Historian, I was a massive fan of All Relatives charts. Then I realised how complex my relatives could be and came to the conclusion that simpler charts - and more of them - were probably better. Adrian |
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PhilipM
Ok - fair enough! I get around the whole issue by having separate trees for main ancestral branches - that gives nice 'clean' charts (effectively Descendant Charts - thanks Mike!) albeit at the cost of separating the branches.
Good luck! |
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Edward Sneithe
Mike Thank you I much prefer letting FH do it. I had my sources viewable and that covered up the area you describes to move the children up and down. This works for this simple case but if I have multiple people with spouses etc. then I don' think there is a solution. FH does a great job with these charts.
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Philip, Yes, that certainly produces a tree with no dotted Proxy box lines. However, it achieves that by omitting significant ancestral branches, so is not entirely satisfactory. As an example, try this with the Family Historian Sample Project. 1) Select the File Root person Ian Stephen MUNRO and create an All Relatives Diagram. 2) Select his great (x2) grandfather Arthur Michael MUNRO and create another All Relatives Diagram. This 2nd diagram has no parents or sibling for Catherine REARDON and the whole ancestral branch for Susan Isabel DOWLING is missing compared to the 1st diagram. What you have actually created is a Descendants Diagram (try that and you will see they are the same). By definition, Descendant Diagrams have no Proxy boxes because the conflicting ancestral branches have been omitted.
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of PhilipM
Sent: 10 January 2023 12:02 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Position and lines in all relative charts I *might* have a workaround for this... When you create a chart, you are presented with a dialog 'Select Root for All Relatives Diagram'. If you choose a Tree Root Type of 'Individual' and pick the *earliest* individual in the tree, you get a perfect tree with no dotted lines and nobody out of place. Works every time for me - would be interested to know if it works for you! |
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PhilipM
so this:
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PhilipM
I *might* have a workaround for this... When you create a chart, you are presented with a dialog 'Select Root for All Relatives Diagram'. If you choose a Tree Root Type of 'Individual' and pick the *earliest* individual in the tree, you get a perfect tree with no dotted lines and nobody out of place. Works every time for me - would be interested to know if it works for you! |
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Edward, I would strongly advise against editing the GEDCOM file unless you are absolutely sure you know what you are doing as it is potentially highly risky.
Anyway, you can easily change the order of Children within FH which is a much safer option. In the parent’s Property Box, on the Main tab, the Children are listed in the lower pane. Select any Child and use the black arrows on the right of the header bar to move them up or down. BTW: You can open a parent’s Property Box directly from any Diagram by double-clicking either parent box.
The changed order will affect all displays of the Children in the Focus Window and all Reports as well as in all Diagrams. If you use any of the automatic re-order options then FH will put them back into their Birth Date order. i.e. Edit > Re-order Events by Date… (F9) or Tools > Re-order Out-of-Sequence Data… or Property Box cog Menu > Sort Family & Events in Date Order.
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Sneithe via groups.io
Sent: 10 January 2023 00:11 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Position and lines in all relative charts
Mike,
I did some experimenting and found I can change the order of the children in the All relatives chart by editing the FH GEDCOM file. I found the correct family as depicted by the following.
0 @F6@ FAM
I then cut and pasted to change the order of @4 and @12 which changed the order on the all relative chart and cleaned up my issue.
Is this a reasonable thing to do or am I getting myself into further trouble? |
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Edward Sneithe
Mike, I did some experimenting and found I can change the order of the children in the All relatives chart by editing the FH GEDCOM file. I found the correct family as depicted by the following. 0 @F6@ FAM 1 HUSB @I8@ 1 WIFE @I9@ 1 CHIL @I10@ 1 CHIL @I4@ 1 CHIL @I12@ I then cut and pasted to change the order of @4 and @12 which changed the order on the all relative chart and cleaned up my issue. Is this a reasonable thing to do or am I getting myself into further trouble?
On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 08:45:56 AM EST, Edward Sneithe via groups.io <truthfor16@...> wrote:
Mike, I went through and reset all options to default. The proxy box did show up but did not alter the basic arrangement of people. I was hoping that I could rearrange the boxes so that there was no line offset for Daniel and that he would just be another child, essentially exchanging Daniel and Edmund. Any Way thanks for your help Mike. I can live with the offset line.
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 04:52:54 PM EST, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:
If you had the default Diagram settings then a dotted Proxy box would be shown where the person belongs among their siblings. But you have changed the Diagram > Options > Proxies tab to hide proxy boxes.
The dotted line connects the proxy box to the married person box and indicates it (often) crosses other lines. To make it solid use the Diagram > Options > Lines tab and make Crossing Lines Solid. You can also spend some time moving boxes or clicking Expansion Buttons to exclude descendant lines that cross the dotted lines.
This scenario only applies to All Relatives Diagrams and only to the direct Ancestors of the root.
Please post a more complex All Relatives Diagram example that does not use the dotted lines.
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Edward Sneithe
Mike, I went through and reset all options to default. The proxy box did show up but did not alter the basic arrangement of people. I was hoping that I could rearrange the boxes so that there was no line offset for Daniel and that he would just be another child, essentially exchanging Daniel and Edmund. Any Way thanks for your help Mike. I can live with the offset line.
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 04:52:54 PM EST, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:
If you had the default Diagram settings then a dotted Proxy box would be shown where the person belongs among their siblings. But you have changed the Diagram > Options > Proxies tab to hide proxy boxes.
The dotted line connects the proxy box to the married person box and indicates it (often) crosses other lines. To make it solid use the Diagram > Options > Lines tab and make Crossing Lines Solid. You can also spend some time moving boxes or clicking Expansion Buttons to exclude descendant lines that cross the dotted lines.
This scenario only applies to All Relatives Diagrams and only to the direct Ancestors of the root.
Please post a more complex All Relatives Diagram example that does not use the dotted lines.
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If you had the default Diagram settings then a dotted Proxy box would be shown where the person belongs among their siblings. But you have changed the Diagram > Options > Proxies tab to hide proxy boxes.
The dotted line connects the proxy box to the married person box and indicates it (often) crosses other lines. To make it solid use the Diagram > Options > Lines tab and make Crossing Lines Solid. You can also spend some time moving boxes or clicking Expansion Buttons to exclude descendant lines that cross the dotted lines.
This scenario only applies to All Relatives Diagrams and only to the direct Ancestors of the root.
Please post a more complex All Relatives Diagram example that does not use the dotted lines.
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Edward Sneithe
Mike thanks for your answer but in the diagram pictured why does FH use the offset dashed line when a solid line would work as well? I have other much more complex diagrams that this would be necessary but why here?
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Hi Edward, The short answer is ‘no’. This is a recurrent question and is a compromise for All Relatives Diagrams.
I can just see on Daniel’s right that he is married. It would be difficult to position him between his brothers and include his wife with her parents, who I guess are (or could be) included. I further guess that she has siblings, and has a similar dotted line linking to her position among them. If she was also positioned there how would the marriage connection and children between Daniel and her be drawn?
The dotted lines are the FH compromise of showing people both among their parent family and their spouse family.
The larger and more complex the diagram becomes with extra relatives then your proposal becomes more and more difficult.
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Edward Sneithe
I have a new relatively simple project but when I do an all relatives chart the chart does not appear to be the best orientation. Daniel Peckover is the son of Samuel Peckover but why is the box for Daniel positioned where it is? Can it be moved to get rid of the offset dashed line?
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