use 3 place columns in a source citation


michael fike
 

Mike,

Thank you for the follow up.  I did notice that I needed to install 7.6.3 for the option and I now have the COMMAINDEX working.  I also worked through the textpart and have it working in other source template definitions.  I now can reference just parts of a place from a comma list.

Thanks to you and everyone else who responded.
--
Michael
(Fike, Friend, Umbel, Thomas)
(Gabryszak, Majewski, Mazurkiewicz, Kondracki)


Mike Tate
 

I forgot to say that to obtain those =COMMAINDEX[1%{PLACE.FULL}] options you must install the AS V7.6.3 test version from the FHUG Forum.

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=21141

or wait until testing has finished and AS gets formally released.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 25 November 2022 14:16
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] use 3 place columns in a source citation

 

FYI: “Jurisdiction” is a Source Record field and not part of the Citation-specific Details which are shown lower down.

 

In AS presumably you have the Templated Source definition for “Jurisdiction” set to {PLACE} and have tried {PLACE.MEDIUM}

That is where to apply the =COMMAINDEX[1%{PLACE.FULL}], =COMMAINDEX[2%{PLACE.FULL}], =COMMAINDEX[3%{PLACE.FULL}]

 


Mike Tate
 

FYI: “Jurisdiction” is a Source Record field and not part of the Citation-specific Details which are shown lower down.

 

In AS presumably you have the Templated Source definition for “Jurisdiction” set to {PLACE} and have tried {PLACE.MEDIUM}

That is where to apply the =COMMAINDEX[1%{PLACE.FULL}], =COMMAINDEX[2%{PLACE.FULL}], =COMMAINDEX[3%{PLACE.FULL}]

 


michael fike
 

Thanks to all for the reply …


I am a new user to FH and still learning the right terminology.  Mike you are correct that I was referring to the Source Record Title where I have mentioned title before.  Currently I am using the year and head of household to title the source.   "1950 US Federal Census: Ross S. Fike".

Further down is the Citation-specific Details is “Jurisdiction” which is linked to the place list.  (Friendsville, Garrett Co., Maryland) This is where I would like to pull the first three columns from the place list.  I currently have “United States” removed from the place list in this test database to show what I am looking to achieve.

I hope the picture will help.  I did notice your other post regarding the =COMMAINDEX(…) function and I will now investigate that avenue.

I have been using the country names in the place list for non-US places or for places in North America pre-US … IE: British North America.

 

--
Michael
(Fike, Friend, Umbel, Thomas)
(Gabryszak, Majewski, Mazurkiewicz, Kondracki)


 

Sometimes there are more than one town with the same name in the same state in the US.

On 11/24/2022 1:39 PM, Victor Markham via groups.io wrote:
There are same place names in different countries


Victor Markham
 

There are same place names in different countries so it is important to add the country name. Canada has a number of place names that are in England

In the case of Yorkshire I always add North, East or West as some same name places appear in more than one Riding. example there is Hessle, East Yorkshire and Hessle, West Yorkshire

Victor

On 24/11/2022 20:29, Adrian Bruce wrote:

Interesting question... Firstly, I don't use Ancestral Sources for purely historical reasons - I started out with my own formats before AS came along and continued with them. So what goes into my Source Records is basically my own concoction that gets copied / modified each time.

I'm just looking at several of my source records and in virtually no cases do I appear to record the country in the Title of the Source Record. I suspect that this is fundamentally because the Collection Title (which I put in the Publication item - your mileage may vary) contains the country. For instance, 'digital image of original published in "1921 Census of Canada [database on-line]"'
'digital image of original published in "1861 England Census [database on-line]"'

I guess that there are other ways also - for instance the Author on the Source Record often contains an indication of the country:
"General Register Office (Scotland)"
"Danmarks Statistik (Denmark Statistical Office)"
"Bureau of the Census (USA)"
"General Register Office (England & Wales)"

Given those different means of recording countries, a further reference would seem redundant, so the place-name in the Title for the Source Record excludes the country. (Again, let me emphasise that I don't use AS, so I have no idea how easy it is to omit the country in those cases.)

And again - this is what goes in the Source Record - the place names on events are different, they are the full version, including country.

Adrian


On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 19:32, michael fike <postalcae@...> wrote:

Hello all,

I would like to limit the place location of a census citation (and possibly others) to only reference the city, county, and state … leaving the country off.  The title contains the country (IE: 1950 US Census).

My current place column definition is city/town, county, state, country.

Using place:short only gives me the town.

Using place:medium gives me the town and county … not the state.


Is there a way to get only columns 1 through 3 to show in a citation without creating a new place just for census citations?


Can =TextPart( %?????.PLAC>%, 1, 3, STD ) be used somehow in a citation format?


I use Ancestral Sources as my primary tool to enter census data.


As a second question do many of you list the country in the census location as well in the title of the citation … IE: 1950 US Census as a title and “Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois, United States” in the location?  I know this is a question preference, but I would like to hear others on how they handle this question.

Thanks to all.

--
Michael
(Fike, Friend, Umbel, Thomas)
(Gabryszak, Majewski, Mazurkiewicz, Kondracki)


Victor Markham
 

I always put USA at the end rather than United States

Victor

On 24/11/2022 20:16, Todd Carnes wrote:

I ALWAYS enter the full place name with NO abbreviations for all locations. Short names and abbreviations lead to confusion.

However, as you said, it's a personal preference thing. Others will disagree with me.

Todd

On 11/24/2022 11:32 AM, michael fike wrote:
1950 US Census as a title and “Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois, United States” in the location?  I know this is a question preference, but I would like to hear others on how they handle this question.


Mike Tate
 

Is there a way to get only columns 1 through 3 to show in a citation without creating a new place just for census citations?

Can =TextPart( %?????.PLAC>%, 1, 3, STD ) be used somehow in a citation format?

I use Ancestral Sources as my primary tool to enter census data.

 

Have you seen the recent discussions in the FHUG Forum: Ancestral Sources?

Testing Ancestral Sources v7.6.n

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=21141&start=25

 

AS V7.6.n has introduced the =COMMAINDEX(…) function that is similar to the FH =TextPart(…) function.

So you can use that to extract parts 1-3 from a Placename for insertion into source citation data.

 




Adrian Bruce
 

Interesting question... Firstly, I don't use Ancestral Sources for purely historical reasons - I started out with my own formats before AS came along and continued with them. So what goes into my Source Records is basically my own concoction that gets copied / modified each time.

I'm just looking at several of my source records and in virtually no cases do I appear to record the country in the Title of the Source Record. I suspect that this is fundamentally because the Collection Title (which I put in the Publication item - your mileage may vary) contains the country. For instance, 'digital image of original published in "1921 Census of Canada [database on-line]"'
'digital image of original published in "1861 England Census [database on-line]"'

I guess that there are other ways also - for instance the Author on the Source Record often contains an indication of the country:
"General Register Office (Scotland)"
"Danmarks Statistik (Denmark Statistical Office)"
"Bureau of the Census (USA)"
"General Register Office (England & Wales)"

Given those different means of recording countries, a further reference would seem redundant, so the place-name in the Title for the Source Record excludes the country. (Again, let me emphasise that I don't use AS, so I have no idea how easy it is to omit the country in those cases.)

And again - this is what goes in the Source Record - the place names on events are different, they are the full version, including country.

Adrian


On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 19:32, michael fike <postalcae@...> wrote:

Hello all,

I would like to limit the place location of a census citation (and possibly others) to only reference the city, county, and state … leaving the country off.  The title contains the country (IE: 1950 US Census).

My current place column definition is city/town, county, state, country.

Using place:short only gives me the town.

Using place:medium gives me the town and county … not the state.


Is there a way to get only columns 1 through 3 to show in a citation without creating a new place just for census citations?


Can =TextPart( %?????.PLAC>%, 1, 3, STD ) be used somehow in a citation format?


I use Ancestral Sources as my primary tool to enter census data.


As a second question do many of you list the country in the census location as well in the title of the citation … IE: 1950 US Census as a title and “Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois, United States” in the location?  I know this is a question preference, but I would like to hear others on how they handle this question.

Thanks to all.

--
Michael
(Fike, Friend, Umbel, Thomas)
(Gabryszak, Majewski, Mazurkiewicz, Kondracki)


 

I ALWAYS enter the full place name with NO abbreviations for all locations. Short names and abbreviations lead to confusion.

However, as you said, it's a personal preference thing. Others will disagree with me.

Todd

On 11/24/2022 11:32 AM, michael fike wrote:

1950 US Census as a title and “Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois, United States” in the location?  I know this is a question preference, but I would like to hear others on how they handle this question.


Mike Tate
 

Hi Michael,

Could you give a few more clues please.

Exactly where in the Citation are you saving those place details?

You also mention the Title but Citations don’t have Titles so I guess you mean the Source record Title.

I wonder if you are referring to the Footnote Format or perhaps the Bibliography Format in the Source Template Definition.

A screenshot of where you use the place details would be ideal.

 


michael fike
 

Hello all,

I would like to limit the place location of a census citation (and possibly others) to only reference the city, county, and state … leaving the country off.  The title contains the country (IE: 1950 US Census).

My current place column definition is city/town, county, state, country.

Using place:short only gives me the town.

Using place:medium gives me the town and county … not the state.


Is there a way to get only columns 1 through 3 to show in a citation without creating a new place just for census citations?


Can =TextPart( %?????.PLAC>%, 1, 3, STD ) be used somehow in a citation format?


I use Ancestral Sources as my primary tool to enter census data.


As a second question do many of you list the country in the census location as well in the title of the citation … IE: 1950 US Census as a title and “Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois, United States” in the location?  I know this is a question preference, but I would like to hear others on how they handle this question.

Thanks to all.

--
Michael
(Fike, Friend, Umbel, Thomas)
(Gabryszak, Majewski, Mazurkiewicz, Kondracki)