use 3 place columns in a source citation
michael fike
Mike,
Thank you for the follow up. I did notice that I needed to install 7.6.3 for the option and I now have the COMMAINDEX working. I also worked through the textpart and have it working in other source template definitions. I now can reference just parts of a place from a comma list. Thanks to you and everyone else who responded. -- Michael (Fike, Friend, Umbel, Thomas) (Gabryszak, Majewski, Mazurkiewicz, Kondracki) |
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I forgot to say that to obtain those =COMMAINDEX[1%{PLACE.FULL}] options you must install the AS V7.6.3 test version from the FHUG Forum. https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=21141 or wait until testing has finished and AS gets formally released.
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 25 November 2022 14:16 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] use 3 place columns in a source citation
FYI: “Jurisdiction” is a Source Record field and not part of the Citation-specific Details which are shown lower down.
In AS presumably you have the Templated Source definition for “Jurisdiction” set to {PLACE} and have tried {PLACE.MEDIUM} That is where to apply the =COMMAINDEX[1%{PLACE.FULL}], =COMMAINDEX[2%{PLACE.FULL}], =COMMAINDEX[3%{PLACE.FULL}]
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FYI: “Jurisdiction” is a Source Record field and not part of the Citation-specific Details which are shown lower down.
In AS presumably you have the Templated Source definition for “Jurisdiction” set to {PLACE} and have tried {PLACE.MEDIUM} That is where to apply the =COMMAINDEX[1%{PLACE.FULL}], =COMMAINDEX[2%{PLACE.FULL}], =COMMAINDEX[3%{PLACE.FULL}]
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michael fike
Thanks to all for the reply …
I hope the picture will help. I did notice your other post regarding the =COMMAINDEX(…) function and I will now investigate that avenue. I have been using the country names in the place list for non-US places or for places in North America pre-US … IE: British North America.
Michael (Fike, Friend, Umbel, Thomas) (Gabryszak, Majewski, Mazurkiewicz, Kondracki) |
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Sometimes there are more than one town with the same name in the same state in the US.
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On 11/24/2022 1:39 PM, Victor Markham via groups.io wrote:
There are same place names in different countries |
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Victor Markham
There are same place names in different countries so it is
important to add the country name. Canada has a number of place
names that are in England In the case of Yorkshire I always add North, East or West as some same name places appear in more than one Riding. example there is Hessle, East Yorkshire and Hessle, West Yorkshire Victor On 24/11/2022 20:29, Adrian Bruce
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Victor Markham
I always put USA at the end rather than United States Victor On 24/11/2022 20:16, Todd Carnes wrote:
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Is there a way to get only columns 1 through 3 to show in a citation without creating a new place just for census citations? Can =TextPart( %?????.PLAC>%, 1, 3, STD ) be used somehow in a citation format? I use Ancestral Sources as my primary tool to enter census data.
Have you seen the recent discussions in the FHUG Forum: Ancestral Sources? Testing Ancestral Sources v7.6.n https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=21141&start=25
AS V7.6.n has introduced the =COMMAINDEX(…) function that is similar to the FH =TextPart(…) function. So you can use that to extract parts 1-3 from a Placename for insertion into source citation data.
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Adrian Bruce
Interesting question... Firstly, I don't use Ancestral Sources for purely historical reasons - I started out with my own formats before AS came along and continued with them. So what goes into my Source Records is basically my own concoction that gets copied / modified each time. I'm just looking at several of my source records and in virtually no cases do I appear to record the country in the Title of the Source Record. I suspect that this is fundamentally because the Collection Title (which I put in the Publication item - your mileage may vary) contains the country. For instance, 'digital image of original published in "1921 Census of Canada [database on-line]"' 'digital image of original published in "1861 England Census [database on-line]"' I guess that there are other ways also - for instance the Author on the Source Record often contains an indication of the country: "General Register Office (Scotland)" "Danmarks Statistik (Denmark Statistical Office)" "Bureau of the Census (USA)" "General Register Office (England & Wales)" Given those different means of recording countries, a further reference would seem redundant, so the place-name in the Title for the Source Record excludes the country. (Again, let me emphasise that I don't use AS, so I have no idea how easy it is to omit the country in those cases.) And again - this is what goes in the Source Record - the place names on events are different, they are the full version, including country. Adrian On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 at 19:32, michael fike <postalcae@...> wrote:
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I ALWAYS enter the full place name with NO abbreviations for all locations. Short names and abbreviations lead to confusion. However, as you said, it's a personal preference thing. Others will disagree with me. Todd On 11/24/2022 11:32 AM, michael fike
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1950 US Census as a title and “Chicago, Cook Co., Illinois, United States” in the location? I know this is a question preference, but I would like to hear others on how they handle this question. |
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Hi Michael, Could you give a few more clues please. Exactly where in the Citation are you saving those place details? You also mention the Title but Citations don’t have Titles so I guess you mean the Source record Title. I wonder if you are referring to the Footnote Format or perhaps the Bibliography Format in the Source Template Definition. A screenshot of where you use the place details would be ideal.
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michael fike
Hello all, I would like to limit the place location of a census citation (and possibly others) to only reference the city, county, and state … leaving the country off. The title contains the country (IE: 1950 US Census). My current place column definition is city/town, county, state, country. Using place:short only gives me the town. Using place:medium gives me the town and county … not the state.
Thanks to all. --Michael (Fike, Friend, Umbel, Thomas) (Gabryszak, Majewski, Mazurkiewicz, Kondracki) |
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