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Alternative Ancestors


JohnL
 

Hi,
You may have come across this problem before.
I have several viable alternative ancestors, splits where i could go in one or more directions to continue my family tree.
Is there a way to record these on FH6, or has anyone any suggestions how I could go about it?
Many thanks,
JohnL


Jane Taubman
 

As always there are several ways to do this.   My preferred method is to use a "Prospective Parents" custom attribute to contain each of the possible parents and add the parent record(s) as possible in the witness links. 

This means if I upload any gedcom files to ancestry or else where the possible people can not suddenly appear in 20 trees as the actual parents.  It's also easy for me to find any one with these facts and I can add as many sets of prospective parents as I need for a single person.


On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 14:16, JohnL <jls1946@...> wrote:

You may have come across this problem before.
I have several viable alternative ancestors, splits where i could go in one or more directions to continue my family tree.
Is there a way to record these on FH6, or has anyone any suggestions how I could go about it?



Neill
 

Hi Everyone,

 

I am new to FH6 so am very interested in how you set this up.

How do I set up a "Prospective Parents" custom attribute?

 

Many thanks for everyone’s help

 

Regards

Neill

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jane Taubman
Sent: 29 September 2020 16:29
To: family-historian
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Alternative Ancestors

 

As always there are several ways to do this.   My preferred method is to use a "Prospective Parents" custom attribute to contain each of the possible parents and add the parent record(s) as possible in the witness links. 

 

This means if I upload any gedcom files to ancestry or else where the possible people can not suddenly appear in 20 trees as the actual parents.  It's also easy for me to find any one with these facts and I can add as many sets of prospective parents as I need for a single person.

 

 

On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 14:16, JohnL <jls1946@...> wrote:


You may have come across this problem before.
I have several viable alternative ancestors, splits where i could go in one or more directions to continue my family tree.
Is there a way to record these on FH6, or has anyone any suggestions how I could go about it?



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Jane Taubman
 

To create a custom attribute simply use the Tools>Fact Types and create a new attribute as shown in the image below.

The you can just add unrelated individuals/couples and add them as witnesses.  I add one fact for each couple.



JohnL
 

Jane,
Many thanks. Will look at the attribute
Regards,
JohnL



On 30 September 2020, at 08:04, Neill <cneill51@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

 

I am new to FH6 so am very interested in how you set this up.

How do I set up a "Prospective Parents" custom attribute?

 

Many thanks for everyone’s help

 

Regards

Neill

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jane Taubman
Sent: 29 September 2020 16:29
To: family-historian
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Alternative Ancestors

 

As always there are several ways to do this.   My preferred method is to use a "Prospective Parents" custom attribute to contain each of the possible parents and add the parent record(s) as possible in the witness links. 

 

This means if I upload any gedcom files to ancestry or else where the possible people can not suddenly appear in 20 trees as the actual parents.  It's also easy for me to find any one with these facts and I can add as many sets of prospective parents as I need for a single person.

 

 

On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 14:16, JohnL <jls1946@...> wrote:


You may have come across this problem before.
I have several viable alternative ancestors, splits where i could go in one or more directions to continue my family tree.
Is there a way to record these on FH6, or has anyone any suggestions how I could go about it?



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Mike Tate
 

Hi Neill,

As Jane says there are several ways to record prospective alternative ancestors.

 

If you are not concerned with others propagating them in online trees then the simplest method is to just keep adding parents in the usual way.  There is nothing in FH (or GEDCOM) that prevents an Individual from having as many parents as you like. In the same way as an Individual can have as many spouses/partners as you like.

 

The multiple parent scenario is necessary to cater for adoption and fostering, but also allows for alternative ancestors.

Just make sure you add Notes or Citations to make it clear the parents are only prospective and need more research.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Neill
Sent: 29 September 2020 18:24
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Alternative Ancestors

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I am new to FH6 so am very interested in how you set this up.

How do I set up a "Prospective Parents" custom attribute?

 

Many thanks for everyone’s help

 

Regards

Neill


Neill
 

Hi Mike,

 

Brilliant thank you

 

While you are on

Do you know why FH software gives the option to embed photos/documents in to a Gedcom file for export but online sites will not accept the imported file

They appear to only accept Gedcom file where the photo/documents are links.

Also I cannot see any Photo’s after the Gedcom file has been uploaded using the link option

Any help would be greatly appreciated

 

Regards

 

Neill

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 30 September 2020 10:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Alternative Ancestors

 

Hi Neill,

As Jane says there are several ways to record prospective alternative ancestors.

 

If you are not concerned with others propagating them in online trees then the simplest method is to just keep adding parents in the usual way.  There is nothing in FH (or GEDCOM) that prevents an Individual from having as many parents as you like. In the same way as an Individual can have as many spouses/partners as you like.

 

The multiple parent scenario is necessary to cater for adoption and fostering, but also allows for alternative ancestors.

Just make sure you add Notes or Citations to make it clear the parents are only prospective and need more research.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Neill
Sent: 29 September 2020 18:24
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Alternative Ancestors

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I am new to FH6 so am very interested in how you set this up.

How do I set up a "Prospective Parents" custom attribute?

 

Many thanks for everyone’s help

 

Regards

Neill


Neill
 

Thank you so much

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jane Taubman
Sent: 30 September 2020 08:11
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Alternative Ancestors

 

To create a custom attribute simply use the Tools>Fact Types and create a new attribute as shown in the image below.

The you can just add unrelated individuals/couples and add them as witnesses.  I add one fact for each couple.


Mike Tate
 

Hi Neill,

FH only offers the embed option to be compatible with the GEDCOM 5.5 specification.

Nowadays, no products use that feature and always have media files separate from the GEDCOM file.

 

Online trees such as at Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage, ZoomPast, etc, do not allow bulk uploading or downloading of files linked to a GEDCOM file.

There are workarounds in some cases as explained in the FHUG Knowledge Base.

 

For importing downloads from other products see Importing to Family Historian:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:index#importing_to_family_historian

 

For exporting from FH to other products see the Export Gedcom File Plugin:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=plugins:help:export_gedcom_file:export_gedcom_file

Review its Output Formats for products that interest you:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=plugins:help:export_gedcom_file:output_formats

 

You will discover that each product has its own interpretation of GEDCOM with its own variants.

The above guides explain how to cope with those variations.

The core features of GEDCOM are usually OK but some details leave something to be desired.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Neill
Sent: 30 September 2020 11:30
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Alternative Ancestors

 

Hi Mike,

 

Brilliant thank you

 

While you are on

Do you know why FH software gives the option to embed photos/documents in to a Gedcom file for export but online sites will not accept the imported file

They appear to only accept Gedcom file where the photo/documents are links.

Also I cannot see any Photo’s after the Gedcom file has been uploaded using the link option

Any help would be greatly appreciated

 

Regards

 

Neill


Neill
 

Hi Mike,

 

Thanks for the info

Much appreciated

 

I have now actually decided to use just Historian on my Laptop to store everything and back up a copy

So once I have made various updates, I delete my Tree on Ancestry and upload the new gedcom file, then the site refreshes and I can then check any new hints found

As you know FindMyPast, MyHeritage are already linked to Historian so they will automatically look for new hints when I add a new person.

This works very well for me.

 

Kind Regards

 

Neill

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 08 October 2020 12:23
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Alternative Ancestors

 

Hi Neill,

FH only offers the embed option to be compatible with the GEDCOM 5.5 specification.

Nowadays, no products use that feature and always have media files separate from the GEDCOM file.

 

Online trees such as at Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage, ZoomPast, etc, do not allow bulk uploading or downloading of files linked to a GEDCOM file.

There are workarounds in some cases as explained in the FHUG Knowledge Base.

 

For importing downloads from other products see Importing to Family Historian:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:index#importing_to_family_historian

 

For exporting from FH to other products see the Export Gedcom File Plugin:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=plugins:help:export_gedcom_file:export_gedcom_file

Review its Output Formats for products that interest you:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=plugins:help:export_gedcom_file:output_formats

 

You will discover that each product has its own interpretation of GEDCOM with its own variants.

The above guides explain how to cope with those variations.

The core features of GEDCOM are usually OK but some details leave something to be desired.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Neill
Sent: 30 September 2020 11:30
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Alternative Ancestors

 

Hi Mike,

 

Brilliant thank you

 

While you are on

Do you know why FH software gives the option to embed photos/documents in to a Gedcom file for export but online sites will not accept the imported file

They appear to only accept Gedcom file where the photo/documents are links.

Also I cannot see any Photo’s after the Gedcom file has been uploaded using the link option

Any help would be greatly appreciated

 

Regards

 

Neill