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Duplicate census records
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Connie Williams
This is not a serious issue for me but I am intrigued and look forward to receiving any responses. In addition to being another member of the 'dumb club,' I am illegitimate(!) Therefore I have no knowledge of my paternal grandparents. I have not been able to connect with any living descendants either for any family news or knowledge. The 1911 census has a detailed and clear entry of that father (grandfather) at the usual address with his wife and ALL of his children. Then there is also another entry for a man, wife and children living elsewhere with my grandmother there as a sister-in-law with the youngest child - a niece My grandmother there has an occupation as a needlewoman which is quite new. I would therefore guess that she has to some extent at least left her family home and husband. This speculation is also heightened by a death certificate and newspaper report a few years later because he took his own life and marriage issues were mentioned.
I thought I would include both 1911 records into FH and link the wife and the child to both reports along with some notes. But the programme won't let me! However devious I become it always susses me out and changes the media etc to whatever it feels is correct! I have tried giving the sister-in-law record a variety of different name combinations but it always knows! As I say I am not greatly bothered as it is only my personal interest and I can use notes alongside the records but I do wonder if there is a clever solution here! |
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Hi Connie,
It should be possible to do what you want, as FH is very flexible. But without seeing how you have organised your data it is a bit tricky. It is possible to add screenshots to these Emails but there is a delay as they must be vetted by the administrators. The FHUG Forums allow screenshots more easily, but let me see if I can point you in the right direction without that. Presumably, you have just one Individual record for your grandmother and have not created a 2nd record for her as sister-in-law with the other man (who would be your grandfather's brother). That one Individual record will usually have her birth Name and not her married name. Make your grandmother the Focus person in the Focus Window where she will be shown alongside her husband. In her Property Box on the right select the Facts tab and there should be a Census Event for 1911. Now this where things can differ depending on how you associate Census records with the Census Events. Do you use Source Citations with a separate Source record for each Census record? If not, then how do you associate the 1911 Census record with your grandmother's Census Event? Armed with the answers or corrections to the above questions and assumptions we can go the next step. Regards, Mike Tate |
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kathy@...
Welcome to my club, too. :) This is a bit off topic, but I discovered I had a different birth father doing DNA through 23 and Me and Ancestry.com. I found siblings on there and a first cousin -- they were able to connect me to the family lineage. I'll never meet the birth father or grandparents, they are dead -- but I have their long history and lineage, due to the connection I received on these DNA sites. Perhaps consider doing this? Just remember -- be prepared to be surprised. SO many surprises.
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Connie Williams
Thank you Mike,
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Yes, I have a single record for my grandmother along with her husband and all their children I have now deleted all my attempts to enter a census record in the name of brother-in-law, sister, their three children as well as her and own duplicated smallest child She was always entered as an individual in her maiden name. My census entries in sources are named like this Census 1911 - Husband with first names, Wife with first names & children, each named, including the little one I enter all the census entries (and all other entries) with Ancestral Sources. This means that the media record is attached to the census record and it has the same title. I also originally used AS to enter the other family of 5 plus her and her little daughter - but this has now been deleted It seemed to me that because grandmother and her youngest daughter were named via AS twice that AS might be overriding the entry, supposing that I was in error?? I hope that is clear enough Connie -----Original Message-----
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate Sent: 23 September 2020 13:09 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Duplicate census records Hi Connie, It should be possible to do what you want, as FH is very flexible. But without seeing how you have organised your data it is a bit tricky. It is possible to add screenshots to these Emails but there is a delay as they must be vetted by the administrators. The FHUG Forums allow screenshots more easily, but let me see if I can point you in the right direction without that. Presumably, you have just one Individual record for your grandmother and have not created a 2nd record for her as sister-in-law with the other man (who would be your grandfather's brother). That one Individual record will usually have her birth Name and not her married name. Make your grandmother the Focus person in the Focus Window where she will be shown alongside her husband. In her Property Box on the right select the Facts tab and there should be a Census Event for 1911. Now this where things can differ depending on how you associate Census records with the Census Events. Do you use Source Citations with a separate Source record for each Census record? If not, then how do you associate the 1911 Census record with your grandmother's Census Event? Armed with the answers or corrections to the above questions and assumptions we can go the next step. Regards, Mike Tate |
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Connie Williams
Thank you Kathy.
Maybe we are sisters?!
Connie
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of kathy@...
Sent: 24 September 2020 03:15 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Duplicate census records
Welcome to my club, too. :) This is a bit off topic, but I discovered I had a different birth father doing DNA through 23 and Me and Ancestry.com. I found siblings on there and a first cousin -- they were able to connect me to the family lineage. I'll never meet the birth father or grandparents, they are dead -- but I have their long history and lineage, due to the connection I received on these DNA sites. Perhaps consider doing this? Just remember -- be prepared to be surprised. SO many surprises. |
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When I run AS and choose the Census year and << Select a person who already has a Census Citation it says:
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"This individual already has a census entry for this year." Below that AS offers a tickable option to replace the existing census fact and citations. I guess you are always ticking that option before clicking OK, so the census fact & citation gets overwritten. If you don't tick that option then another Census fact and Citation are created alongside the existing fact. Afterwards, you can copy the Citation from one Census fact to the other and delete the redundant Census fact. Then your grandmother will have one Census fact with two Citations for the two Source records. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message-----
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Connie Williams Sent: 29 September 2020 20:05 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Duplicate census records Thank you Mike, Yes, I have a single record for my grandmother along with her husband and all their children I have now deleted all my attempts to enter a census record in the name of brother-in-law, sister, their three children as well as her and own duplicated smallest child She was always entered as an individual in her maiden name. My census entries in sources are named like this Census 1911 - Husband with first names, Wife with first names & children, each named, including the little one I enter all the census entries (and all other entries) with Ancestral Sources. This means that the media record is attached to the census record and it has the same title. I also originally used AS to enter the other family of 5 plus her and her little daughter - but this has now been deleted It seemed to me that because grandmother and her youngest daughter were named via AS twice that AS might be overriding the entry, supposing that I was in error?? I hope that is clear enough Connie -----Original Message----- From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate Sent: 23 September 2020 13:09 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Duplicate census records Hi Connie, It should be possible to do what you want, as FH is very flexible. But without seeing how you have organised your data it is a bit tricky. It is possible to add screenshots to these Emails but there is a delay as they must be vetted by the administrators. The FHUG Forums allow screenshots more easily, but let me see if I can point you in the right direction without that. Presumably, you have just one Individual record for your grandmother and have not created a 2nd record for her as sister-in-law with the other man (who would be your grandfather's brother). That one Individual record will usually have her birth Name and not her married name. Make your grandmother the Focus person in the Focus Window where she will be shown alongside her husband. In her Property Box on the right select the Facts tab and there should be a Census Event for 1911. Now this where things can differ depending on how you associate Census records with the Census Events. Do you use Source Citations with a separate Source record for each Census record? If not, then how do you associate the 1911 Census record with your grandmother's Census Event? Armed with the answers or corrections to the above questions and assumptions we can go the next step. Regards, Mike Tate |
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Connie Williams
Dear Mike Tate,
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Thank you for that. I apologise for the delayed reply, I have not been at home. I have followed your instructions and succeeded. I can see now I had misinterpreted the intention of the tick box. Thank you again. Connie -----Original Message-----
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate Sent: 29 September 2020 23:49 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Duplicate census records When I run AS and choose the Census year and << Select a person who already has a Census Citation it says: "This individual already has a census entry for this year." Below that AS offers a tickable option to replace the existing census fact and citations. I guess you are always ticking that option before clicking OK, so the census fact & citation gets overwritten. If you don't tick that option then another Census fact and Citation are created alongside the existing fact. Afterwards, you can copy the Citation from one Census fact to the other and delete the redundant Census fact. Then your grandmother will have one Census fact with two Citations for the two Source records. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Connie Williams Sent: 29 September 2020 20:05 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Duplicate census records Thank you Mike, Yes, I have a single record for my grandmother along with her husband and all their children I have now deleted all my attempts to enter a census record in the name of brother-in-law, sister, their three children as well as her and own duplicated smallest child She was always entered as an individual in her maiden name. My census entries in sources are named like this Census 1911 - Husband with first names, Wife with first names & children, each named, including the little one I enter all the census entries (and all other entries) with Ancestral Sources. This means that the media record is attached to the census record and it has the same title. I also originally used AS to enter the other family of 5 plus her and her little daughter - but this has now been deleted It seemed to me that because grandmother and her youngest daughter were named via AS twice that AS might be overriding the entry, supposing that I was in error?? I hope that is clear enough Connie |
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