Can I view a family as shown in a Census? (ex TMG user)
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mvilla108
Hi,
I'm brand new to Family Historian. I've managed to transfer my project from TMG but am now struggling with FH. I am trying to view a family, as a family, in the 1881 Census as I could in TMG. The family members all seem to have a Fact but I can't see how to view them as a family. Is this possible in FH? Thanks in advance Rob |
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Welcome to the FH community Rob. There are various family-focussed views but inevitably may be different from TMG.
When you start FH it shows the Focus Window which focusses on three generations. So select a member of the family and click the Show in Focus Window magnifying glass icon. In the Focus Window there are several tabs to give different family perspectives Spouses & Children, Parents & Siblings, Ancestors, Descendants.
You can view a family tree Diagram for the family. Select one of the parents of the family and click the right-hand of the four tree diagram icons in the main toolbar. That will display the All Relatives Diagram in its default configuration, but it has many other custom variants.
You can obtain a family oriented Report for the family. Select one of the parents and select Publish > Family Group Sheet then click OK to see the default Report. There are other Reports that will show family groups.
Spend some time reviewing the documentation, video tutorials, help pages, etc. See https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:index and start with the Beginners Guide. There review the https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:key_features_for_newcomers especially the Documentation & Tutorials section.
Regards, Mike Tate
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of mvilla108
Sent: 27 August 2020 19:27 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: [family-historian] Can I view a family as shown in a Census? (ex TMG user)
Hi,
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Peter Henderson
I am not familiar with TMG but I am guessing that Rob wants to
see the census record showing all those present at the census.
When you select the fact for the census in question, the source
for that fact appears in a pane on the right. Right click on the
census fact shown there and then select "Go to source record".
This shows the census record as you entered it when recording the
fact - if, indeed, you did transcribe the census data. The best
way to record census events, and others, is to install Ancestral
Sources by Nick Walker.
(https://store.family-historian.co.uk/product/ancestral-sources/)
This utility will automatically create the Text from Source that
will show up in the source record. Peter On 27/08/2020 21:51, Mike Tate wrote:
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Rob,
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Do you mean that each family member has a census fact for 1881 but you want to be able to see who else was in the same census household? Did you use 'family' census facts in TMG? Were the censuses recorded with one principal and other household members as witnesses? In FH the usual way to record census details is to create a source record for the census household, with a transcription of the details in the 'text from source' field, and attach an image of the census page to the source. Each individual's census fact is linked to that source record, and by going to the source record you can see who else was in the household. If you can give some details of how your census events were recorded I'm sure someone will be able to explain the options for viewing, or converting, your data in FH. It's a well-trodden path - there are many former TMG users who now use FH. Lorna On 27/08/2020 19:26, mvilla108 wrote:
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If you can see the Census fact in the Facts tab then select it and click the Show Media image button in the centre of the toolbar below. You may need to tick the Include Citation Media or Include Source Record Media to see the 1881 Census page. Also try clicking the Show Sources yellow scroll icon in toolbar top right to reveal the yellow Source Citations pane. That shows Source Citations and the large blue arrow Go To Source Record button. |
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mvilla108
Thanks very much to Mike, Peter and Lorna. You have given me a lot of information and ideas on how to progress. Yes Lorna, in TMG I was able to see each person in the same census household. In TMG, the basic medium for recording information was the tag. In the Census tag, I recorded one or two principals (Head of family and maybe spouse) and then Witnesses for children and other relations. The tag also held date, residence details, etc. My first impression of FH is
that it is light years ahead of TMG. I like the idea of attaching images to the
source. I realise that I have a lot
of learning to do and am looking forward to getting to grips with the new
software. This weekend, I intend to
work through all of your suggestions and hopefully make some good progress. Thanks again to you all. Regards, Rob On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 at 23:38, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:
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mvilla108
Success! With your help I have been able to view a family as at a census date. In the FH Sample Project I used Arthur Michael MUNRO [54]. In the Property Box, All tab I selected the Census fact for 1871 and clicked on the +. This showed me the date, place, address, Witnesses (spouse Mary & 3 children) and the Source. But that has shown me that I have a problem with my own project which I imported from the TMG project file (.pjc). It seems that my Census ‘event tags’ have not been imported! When I created these in TMG I would have entered all the above information, i.e., place, address, 2 principals and witnesses (children). Also, the census reference as an imbedded note. I wonder if any other former TMG users have had this problem and would be able to help me? Regards, Rob
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Hi Rob, There are several alternative ways of recording and viewing Census information. For example, instead of using the All tab, you can use the Facts tab then right-click the Census fact and choose Witnesses. You can tell there are witnesses because of the three linked blue balls icon.
With TMG imports the Census (family) fact is linked to the Family couple with children as witnesses but otherwise very similar to what you found.
There are many TMG users who have faced your problem and found a satisfactory FH compatible solution. The Family Historian User Group (FHUG) has discussion Forums and a Knowledge Base that explains the options. It is also much easier to attach screenshots to simplify those explanations. e.g. See the extensive ‘Import from The Master Genealogist (TMG)’ advice at: https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:import_from_tmg
Please visit https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/ where you can join and use for free. I look forward to meeting you there.
Regards, Mike Tate
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Victor Markham
Hi Mike Since when has census details listed witnesses? Have I misunderstood something here? Victor On 01/09/2020 10:07 am, Mike Tate
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Victor, Here we are talking about the FH Fact Witness feature that some use to link Census households to the Head. It is in the same way that a Fact Witness can be the Best Man, Bridesmaid, Minister, as well as Witness at a Marriage, or can be a Mourner, Priest, etc, at a Death. The term Fact Witness is slightly unfortunate and other products called it a Shared Fact.
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Markham
Sent: 01 September 2020 17:31 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Can I view a family as shown in a Census? (ex TMG user)
Hi Mike Since when has census details listed witnesses? Have I misunderstood something here? Victor |
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Mike Heseltine <noguru48@...>
Hi Rob, I have not been able to repeat what you describe. Which is the + you clicked on. Mike Heseltine On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 4:24 PM mvilla108 <mvilla108@...> wrote:
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genealogy@...
As an ex TMG user I found that the transition does require work but ultimately FH is a far more flexible programme.
In TMG I recorded census details in two ways with a Census-Head data item in which all the household members as witnesses with roles allocated according to the relationships. The second tag was just the standard census one for everyone. I've now gone through all previous Census entries and re-entered everything using Ancestral Sources, creating a text from source entry for each citation and attaching the census images. I've then deleted the old census and census tags. Although it's a long process I feel that it's been worth it and that the FH solution is better than the old TMG compromise |
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In the Property Box on the All tab, there is a [+] next to every fact. But that is the same as the Facts tab, right-click any fact and choose Witnesses.
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Heseltine
Sent: 02 September 2020 13:52 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Can I view a family as shown in a Census? (ex TMG user)
Hi Rob, I have not been able to repeat what you describe. Which is the + you clicked on.
Mike Heseltine
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 4:24 PM mvilla108 <mvilla108@...> wrote:
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mvilla108
Mike, After reading your email of 1 Sep 2020, 10:07 I think I now understand how my TMG census event structure doesn’t match the way FH works. I followed the fhug link you gave me https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:import_from_tmg. From there, under Import Discussions, I followed the link to Census details import to Family Historian 5 from TMG April 2014 ~ Witness and UK Census problems This was your reply to another ex-TMG FH newcomer who had a similar problem to mine. In this document, you explained that my census event tags used the EVEN tag whereas FH uses CENS and suggested using your Change Any Fact FH Plugin to change them. I downloaded this and Lo and Behold all my “missing” census people instantly appeared. I don’t understand how this happened without my having to request action from the Plugin, but I am very pleased with the result. Maybe you could enlighten me on how the Plugin works? I’m interested to know. Thanks again, Rob On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 at 10:07, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:
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Rob, If you have not run the plugin and requested changes, then it does not affect your Project database. Any improvement is purely coincidental. Maybe you just discovered how to use some FH features. It is still highly recommended that you follow the advice and convert to GEDCOM standard CENS facts. However, this is best discussed in the FHUG Forums. Mike Tate
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of mvilla108
Sent: 03 September 2020 10:53 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Can I view a family as shown in a Census? (ex TMG user)
Mike, After reading your email of 1 Sep 2020, 10:07 I think I now understand how my TMG census event structure doesn’t match the way FH works. I followed the fhug link you gave me https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:import_from_tmg. From there, under Import Discussions, I followed the link to Census details import to Family Historian 5 from TMG April 2014 ~ Witness and UK Census problems This was your reply to another ex-TMG FH newcomer who had a similar problem to mine. In this document, you explained that my census event tags used the EVEN tag whereas FH uses CENS and suggested using your Change Any Fact FH Plugin to change them. I downloaded this and Lo and Behold all my “missing” census people instantly appeared. I don’t understand how this happened without my having to request action from the Plugin, but I am very pleased with the result. Maybe you could enlighten me on how the Plugin works? I’m interested to know. Thanks again, Rob |
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